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Reply #420 posted 06/03/16 9:12am

RenaRF

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Rebeljuice said:

On the death certificate it is stating the actual time of death as 10.07 on the 21st. So maybe he was still alive when he was found?


http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o...ate-02.pdf

Time of death is an official designation, not an actual recording of factual time of death. 10:07am was the time the doctor on the scene who responded to the 911 call pronounced him dead.

"Everything that's in your heart, come what may
Even though his might get broken" RIP Prince
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Reply #421 posted 06/03/16 9:13am

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Genesia said:

spastic78 said:
About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.
Thanks for this.

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Reply #422 posted 06/03/16 9:27am

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jesme1999 said:

KaresB said:



Yep, quite possible.

If he did have stage fright it wouldn't be so unusual . If you saw my kid strut out there on that pitching mound all cocky and sure of himself , you would never believe he had anxiety issues .People suffer silently in many ways . It's all so heartbreaking .sad

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Well getting older, you can't do what you used to and it does mess with your confidence at times. Like Prince couldn't remember his lyrics very well and had to have them displayed during shows. And I'm sure his other skills diminished with guitar, piano, etc. That is just called aging. He was still great, but he felt that his power were slipping away and that can f*ck with your head.

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Reply #423 posted 06/03/16 9:30am

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How can they be sure it was an accident?

Prince wanted to be alone, he was dressed in black, he wasnt stupid to not know what could happen

when he takes too much of this stuff...

I mean how can they be 100% be sure?

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Reply #424 posted 06/03/16 9:34am

1contessa

FunkiestOne said:

jesme1999 said:

KaresB said: If he did have stage fright it wouldn't be so unusual . If you saw my kid strut out there on that pitching mound all cocky and sure of himself , you would never believe he had anxiety issues .People suffer silently in many ways . It's all so heartbreaking .sad

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Well getting older, you can't do what you used to and it does mess with your confidence at times. Like Prince couldn't remember his lyrics very well and had to have them displayed during shows. And I'm sure his other skills diminished with guitar, piano, etc. That is just called aging. He was still great, but he felt that his power were slipping away and that can f*ck with your head.

Yes it can, but unfortunately that's life and how it is for all of us.

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Reply #425 posted 06/03/16 9:34am

tish9311

spastic78 said:

nursev said:
I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off sad They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.
About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

Gives me something to think about. My doctors love to give me Tramadol for pain. I don't take it. I wonder why pain is the worst between 2 and 4 am, I will have to look into that. THanks for sharing your story.

Beautiful, Loved and Blessed

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Reply #426 posted 06/03/16 9:45am

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spastic78 said:

nursev said:
I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off sad They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.
About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

I wanted to say thank you for sharing too. God bless.

The Orger Formerly Known As Raspberry
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Reply #427 posted 06/03/16 10:06am

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PeteSilas said:

tmo1965 said:

Consider the source.

i agree but how and why did they come out with that only a couple days before it all fell apart, someone must have sold prince out for a few bucks. Probably some hanger on who got together with other people and came to the concluson that prince had aids.

Thing is, since the 90's he's had 2 wives and many companions. If the AIDS thing were true wouldn't they all be screaming bloody murder. Nobody close to Prince has ever come out, before or after his passing, with anything negative to say about him.

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Reply #428 posted 06/03/16 10:09am

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leadline said:

FunkiestOne said:

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Yes there's just no way he had stagefright. He just seemed so supremely confident every time he walked on stage. You can only fake that so much. And he had his whole "I am music" thing and he just felt that God made him to be a vessel to share the music and that he belonged up there.

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I mean I guess it's possible, because he was so sensitive and shy, in general but the music just took him to another place and very, very unlikely he had stagefright to a level where he would take drugs for it.

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The notion that Prince had stage fright is laughable, the notion that any fan who has followed Prince for some time could believe that is disturbing. He was most comfortable on stage, off stage he was not shy, that is what the press deemed him, he was simply guarded. Even Prince did not consider himself shy.

Nobody really knew that Barbra Streisand and Carly Simon had crippiling stage fright either until they came out and spoke about it. They're professionals, they hide things well.

[Edited 6/3/16 10:30am]

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Reply #429 posted 06/03/16 10:10am

mimi1956

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derrick31 said:

luv4u said:

Does not say a whole hell of a lot. confused

I was expecting more information than that or is that normal?

I noticed on the document that it says that the investigation is still ongoing........

The autopsy report will have much more information.

This is it, there won't be any autopsy report per Mn. law.

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Reply #430 posted 06/03/16 10:15am

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Whether he had stage fright or not, who knows. And everyone has valid points about it all. He could have had stage fright. Only those closest to him may know. And they are not talking.

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Genius is born, not made. Prince is a Genius. No question. RIP Legend.
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Reply #431 posted 06/03/16 10:15am

1contessa

mimi1956 said:

leadline said:


The notion that Prince had stage fright is laughable, the notion that any fan who has followed Prince for some time could believe that is disturbing. He was most comfortable on stage, off stage he was not shy, that is what the press deemed him, he was simply guarded. Even Prince did not consider himself shy.

Nobody really knew that Barbra Streisand and Carly Simon had crippiling stage fright either until they cam out and spoke about. They're professionals, htey hide things well.

I can't somehow picture Prince having stage fright either, but you are right about professionals hiding things well, because Prince's reportedly drug use is perfect proof.

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Reply #432 posted 06/03/16 10:16am

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I know the feds bombarded Paisley Park but I hope they had the good sense to interview Mayte and Manuella. If Prince had been on Fentanyl since the 80's like this drug dealer said, the ex wives would certainly know about it. If he had been on this for so long it would be very disappointing and make me feel that he was not what he portrayed at all, because if the fentanyl went back that long, then it was before pain management. sad
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Reply #433 posted 06/03/16 10:27am

BanishedBrian

Andrew Kornfield (the person who placed the 911 call) has published an op-ed: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html

No Candy 4 Me
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Reply #434 posted 06/03/16 10:29am

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tish9311 said:

spastic78 said:

nursev said: About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

Gives me something to think about. My doctors love to give me Tramadol for pain. I don't take it. I wonder why pain is the worst between 2 and 4 am, I will have to look into that. THanks for sharing your story.

Maybe because by that time your body has become stiff from lying in bed or real lack of movement. Everything locks up and as your brain maybe starts waking and the body moves more you recognize the pain? My way of ealing with my sciatica in my left hip is I sleep on those soft ice packs no matter the season. If I miss a couple of days the pain is excruciating. As long as I have them under my hip it is easy to function. Ibuprofen never did anything for it and I refuse to go to a Dr. for their poison RX's.

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Reply #435 posted 06/03/16 10:35am

Tami3121

Superfan1984 said:

I know the feds bombarded Paisley Park but I hope they had the good sense to interview Mayte and Manuella. If Prince had been on Fentanyl since the 80's like this drug dealer said, the ex wives would certainly know about it. If he had been on this for so long it would be very disappointing and make me feel that he was not what he portrayed at all, because if the fentanyl went back that long, then it was before pain management. sad

Good point. And they would also know how he was getting it. If he was using multiple doctors they should be held accountable for not checking what and how much he was getting. According to Dr. Drew and others, he shouldn't have been getting any at all. So someone is in big trouble. When I hear how strong Fentanyl is it's amazing he made it this long!

I know it irritates some on here to compare Prince to MJ but look what MJ was able to get hold of.....a doctor giving him IV's in his house that are only meant for surgery.

Minnesota won't release any further records but the investigation will uncover how this happened.

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Reply #436 posted 06/03/16 11:12am

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PeteSilas said:



delirious26 said:


I really don't understand why there is so much speculation about him having cancer. People are claiming the evidence is in how he looked, but someone who has been taking opioids for a period of time often has no appetite, they lose weight, they look frail, they look sick... similar to the way you speak of Prince. Is there another reason why so many people thing he had cancer too? I just think these drugs took their toll on him, the way I have seen with many of my friends.



that could very well be, i've stated that I'd be comforted if he'd had a terminal disease, I just never saw Prince ending up like this, why? Too smart, too circumspective and a great historian on the history of our music. He wasn't a guy like Kurt Cobain who was really just a guy deeply in love with himself, or a guy like Hendrix who had such deep seated issues that living past 30 would have been a miracle for him. Prince was too great, too smart and just too fucking prideful and cool to let that happen.


People who are in love with themselves dont usually commit suicide. Kurt Cobain had a messed up childhood and an undiagnosed stomach problem that caused him much pain for years...
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Reply #437 posted 06/03/16 11:16am

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Superfan1984 said:

I know the feds bombarded Paisley Park but I hope they had the good sense to interview Mayte and Manuella. If Prince had been on Fentanyl since the 80's like this drug dealer said, the ex wives would certainly know about it. If he had been on this for so long it would be very disappointing and make me feel that he was not what he portrayed at all, because if the fentanyl went back that long, then it was before pain management. sad

How do you know it was not for pain management back then???? Do we know when he started having pains??

We do not know anything truly about his health, when he started having pain, etc. I believe by the symbol album he began being seen with a cane.

Because of their half-baked mistakes, we get ice cream, no cake; all lies, no truth; is it fair to Kill the YOUTH ~~ Party Up
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Reply #438 posted 06/03/16 11:20am

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Genesia said:



Fury said:


The clothing description matches the picture that TMZ was pushing. Prince didn't strike me as the type to walk around the house in all black basic clothing neutral


What else would you expect him to be wearing in his own home at 3:00 in the morning? Gold lamé and 4-inch heels?



From a past interview Prince was asked what he wears when he's at home, the interviewer asked "sweats" and Prince words were (in pride) " I don't own a pair of sweats", so to some I'm sure they're surprised to hear the casual attire he was wearing that morning and especially wearing it to bed after riding out on a bike the evening before his death.
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Reply #439 posted 06/03/16 11:28am

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wizardtelly said:

I have no reason not to believe this. I am just very saddened that it happened and he didn't deserve this. I am just so depressed. I have been trying to make something of myself and with him gone it's like I want to give up. I am so sorry he had to go through this alone.

"Don't give up... Never give up...!" -Aura to Kid in Grafitti Bridge

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Reply #440 posted 06/03/16 11:30am

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wizardtelly said:

I have no reason not to believe this. I am just very saddened that it happened and he didn't deserve this. I am just so depressed. I have been trying to make something of myself and with him gone it's like I want to give up. I am so sorry he had to go through this alone.

"Don't give up... Never give up...!" -Aura to Kid in Grafitti Bridge

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Reply #441 posted 06/03/16 11:37am

thefan22

I think the HOLY GRAIL was watching him,I saw the dreams the Holy Grail met with knights in armor attending ,
I was in attendance,the many obelisks- in the sky as well as the angels going from the lower to higher nature .i went to the e.r. The bells rang ,the lightening commanded the earth .I TRYED TO FIND HIM .
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Reply #442 posted 06/03/16 11:41am

SheLovesMeNot

You people are amazing at all your comments and questions. Why this, why that?!!! The autopsy report is 100 % accurate! There are no two reports made and they are public record! Prince did NOT have AIDS Prince did not have Cancer, why is it so hard for you people to accept the fact that Prince was a drug seeker, legal or illegal that is what he turned out to be at 57 years old! No body has hip pain so bad that they need Fentanyl. Yes the pain is bad, real bad, and can lead to deep deep depression when having to deal with it especially after a long period of time and eventually in your head this is how you see the rest of your life, in pain. Prince makes all decisions on his own, he's a smart grown up with enough knowledge to know where this journey would eventually take him...and he took that chance and this is where it got him...dead! I loved the guy as much as the rest of you did, he made beautiful music, but he died a drug addict and a drug seeker, simple as that. I deal with drug addicts and seekers on a daily basis, and one thing they all have in common beside wanting to be in relief whether it be physical pain or emotional pain is that they care about nothing and nobody but their drugs and how to get them. Prince did something illegal, he took unprescribed drug, he was a drug addict and he hid it from anyone who would stop him from doing what he wanted to do.
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Reply #443 posted 06/03/16 11:43am

PeteSilas

RachB65 said:

PeteSilas said:

that could very well be, i've stated that I'd be comforted if he'd had a terminal disease, I just never saw Prince ending up like this, why? Too smart, too circumspective and a great historian on the history of our music. He wasn't a guy like Kurt Cobain who was really just a guy deeply in love with himself, or a guy like Hendrix who had such deep seated issues that living past 30 would have been a miracle for him. Prince was too great, too smart and just too fucking prideful and cool to let that happen.

People who are in love with themselves dont commit suicide. Kurt Cobain had a messed up childhood and an undiagnosed stomach problem that caused him much pain for years...

that's the paradox of self love, if you hated yourself, you'd want to see yourself in pain. to me, it's apparent he was self-absorbed and whiny not only from his songs but from his interviews. What was his idiotic line "thank you from the bottom of my naseous burning stomach"? Pitiful, he was a precursor to all the occupy kids we have today, bunch of whiny brats.

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Reply #444 posted 06/03/16 11:46am

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RenaRF said:

KaresB said:



Yep, quite possible.

As a musician (active) myself, I can tell you - stage fright is a terrible thing. The anxiety, the nausea (which is what I experienced), the sleeplessness, the pre-stage breathlessness. All of it centered, for me, around *anticipation* of taking the stage. That was the hurdle - could I get on the stage or not? Once there, and within a few minutes into a set, I am fine. It's just the "getting there" that was the issue.

If you haven't experienced stage fright, you don't know how debilitating it can be, and you don't know that it hits different people in different ways.

I just don't believe it, he played live so much, more than just about anyone else and he revelled in it. the only periods I could see him having stage fright were the early years. I'm a musician and of course I get stage fright but it's not nearly as crippling as it was when I first started. In fact, I usually feel pretty relaxed on stage, comes with time. Of course I know not everyone is like that, Duke Ellington, Elvis Presley and many others had problems with it. I've heard Richard Pryor say that he couldn't go on stage sober. But Prince? Naw, dude had such discipline and drive that I don't think a little nerves would bug him.

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Reply #445 posted 06/03/16 11:49am

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SheLovesMeNot said:

You people are amazing at all your comments and questions. Why this, why that?!!! The autopsy report is 100 % accurate! There are no two reports made and they are public record! Prince did NOT have AIDS Prince did not have Cancer, why is it so hard for you people to accept the fact that Prince was a drug seeker, legal or illegal that is what he turned out to be at 57 years old! No body has hip pain so bad that they need Fentanyl. Yes the pain is bad, real bad, and can lead to deep deep depression when having to deal with it especially after a long period of time and eventually in your head this is how you see the rest of your life, in pain. Prince makes all decisions on his own, he's a smart grown up with enough knowledge to know where this journey would eventually take him...and he took that chance and this is where it got him...dead! I loved the guy as much as the rest of you did, he made beautiful music, but he died a drug addict and a drug seeker, simple as that. I deal with drug addicts and seekers on a daily basis, and one thing they all have in common beside wanting to be in relief whether it be physical pain or emotional pain is that they care about nothing and nobody but their drugs and how to get them. Prince did something illegal, he took unprescribed drug, he was a drug addict and he hid it from anyone who would stop him from doing what he wanted to do.

you very well could be right, I just never saw Prince ending up like this. I've said it several times, it would be personally easier to swallow if there were a larger reason for him taking this stuff. Selfish I know and not everyone feels the same but i'd prefer to think he had something very serious. I always regarded Prince as a superman and so it's perplexing to think he may have just gotten hooked on something like any other addict.

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Reply #446 posted 06/03/16 11:50am

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Bottom line his pain and addiction were not managed properly. Partially because he was so private, perhaps. But unless you really know about Fentanyl and doseage requirements, etc, not to mention it needs to be prescribed..it is a very dangerous drug and not to be mixed w/any other opiates, either. I was a surgical nurse for many years and am famiiar with this very strong narcotic. This is very sad, and didn't have to happen. So many if only's...

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Reply #447 posted 06/03/16 11:54am

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BanishedBrian said:

Andrew Kornfield (the person who placed the 911 call) has published an op-ed: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...index.html




This was a great read/explanation that touches upon how easy it is to overdose on pain meds despite intentions to stop usage of pain meds.

I'm comforted by the response of many of y'all with regards to my ideas about Prince's unexpected departure despite his chronic pain. Thanks for the feedback.

I would also like to add that I live near Paisley Park and it has been near impossible finding proper pain management care despite being a patient at The Mayo. Compared to pain management doctors in CA, MA, TX and/or FL the approaches/strategies used here are from the dark ages. And recently a study showed that doctors here tend to disbelieve the level of pain a Black-American patient lives with so I can totally understand why outside doctors needed to be called in...unfortunately not soon enough. Also with regards to how frail Prince looked...pain can do that to you along with pain meds within a matter of weeks. Sleepless nights, running on adrenalin and cortisol plus a lack of appetite can lead to quick weight loss and a haunted look.

I still don't believe Prince had a dealer per se but do believe there are tons of haters out there. Prince's family may have thought his endless energy back in the day was due to drugs but it's quite probable that his profound intelligence level contributed to his over-excitabilities/energy that kept him moving and creating.

There were many who never quite understood or accepted that Prince's abilities were exceptional (less than 1% of the population have his capabilities/talent) and so he was constantly misunderstood. And also taken advantage of...

RIP Prince, I will always love you.
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Reply #448 posted 06/03/16 11:58am

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SheLovesMeNot said:

You people are amazing at all your comments and questions. Why this, why that?!!! The autopsy report is 100 % accurate! There are no two reports made and they are public record! Prince did NOT have AIDS Prince did not have Cancer, why is it so hard for you people to accept the fact that Prince was a drug seeker, legal or illegal that is what he turned out to be at 57 years old! No body has hip pain so bad that they need Fentanyl. Yes the pain is bad, real bad, and can lead to deep deep depression when having to deal with it especially after a long period of time and eventually in your head this is how you see the rest of your life, in pain. Prince makes all decisions on his own, he's a smart grown up with enough knowledge to know where this journey would eventually take him...and he took that chance and this is where it got him...dead! I loved the guy as much as the rest of you did, he made beautiful music, but he died a drug addict and a drug seeker, simple as that. I deal with drug addicts and seekers on a daily basis, and one thing they all have in common beside wanting to be in relief whether it be physical pain or emotional pain is that they care about nothing and nobody but their drugs and how to get them. Prince did something illegal, he took unprescribed drug, he was a drug addict and he hid it from anyone who would stop him from doing what he wanted to do.

I agree with most of what you've said, except the part about having another illness other than addiction. There is no way from reading the autopsy report to know if he had ANY other illness, whether it be as bad as cancer or a simple has hypertension. If it didn't cause his death it won't be on the report. His doctor was bringing test results to him the morning of his death. You don't hand deliver test reports for good results. Obviously, there was something in the tests that he needed to see Prince about. It's been printed in several places he was anemic. A low blood count can be from not eating, to having cancer or anything between. Doesn't change the fact that he died as a result of an overdose, but no one knows what he was dealing with in addition to his addiction.

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Reply #449 posted 06/03/16 11:59am

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nursev said:
I hate to say this but Ive always thought that Prince died soon after he was dropped off sad They dropped him off like what 8, 9pm and he is found in the same clothes the next morning. He was at home so why would he not change clothes and be comfortable...Im starting to think that 6 hours is really more like 13 hours. Shit is heartbreaking.
About 6 hours suggests 3am which is usually (according to the experience of over 1000 people in a chronic pain support group that I'm a member of) when pain is at it's worst. No one can figure out why except perhaps that the body's natural circadian rhythm (which has been screwed up by pain and sleepless nights) influences this phenomenon. My own experience of accidentally ODing (with respiratory distress) on Tramadol and Percosets (despite the lowest dosage possible) as a result of "staggering"(taking half-doses more frequently) reassures me that Prince did not intentionally overdose and that he really just was trying to manage his excruciating pain. After my OD experience I was given a Fentanyl patch in the hospital as I had been on pain meds for over 3 years. I did not go home with one but was prescribed one by an ER doc. Fortunately by the time I received insurance approval I was already back in the hospital for another surgery during which Fentanyl was used by anaesthesiologist. Thankfully my body, which was having strange out-of-body experiences, doesn't tolerate opiates well so I vomited guts out right after surgery and basically every day for a week after. Finally low dosages (2mg) of Dilaudid and anti-nausea meds helped manage the pain. I still live in pain and I'm up between 2am to 4am as for whatever reason pain is worse then. I used to take extra meds at that time but since Prince died I don't. It's apparently just too easy to accidentally overdose...in no way does it mean you are a junkie. I doubt Prince felt pain when he overdosed though most likely had the experience of realizing he was dying and having the choice to fight to survive or to get on with the next phase of life - death. The OD experience is surreal and profound (at least it was for me) and had I not had kids I may have chosen to just let go as the chronic pain I live with (from hip and knee issues) rules my life. As a health-nut I shamefully take my pain meds which drags my energy levels and alters my perception so much that I just avoid people. I still don't believe this Prince ME report tells the whole story but may have been released for insurance purposes as well as damage control. I think info is being held back for sensitivity reasons and we will never know the whole story. Opiod toxicity is not a death sentence in itself...the body's reaction to opiod toxicity is the determining factor...so was it respiratory distress, seizures, stoke, and/or organ failure? What exactly happened? As for the Drug Dealers story...was Fentanyl even available decades ago? There are lots of Prince Harper's out there just as there are many fans. Prince was considered "uppity" by many who wanted to see him fail and would probably stop at nothing now to foster that image. The scar on his hip is consistent with hip replacement but that would mean he had it done a very long time ago. Perhaps the lower leg scar is the supposed knee surgery though I doubt it's a knee replacement as he'd have a much different walk. Perhaps Prince was really tired from the pain and so sub-consciously engaged in actions that would encourage death to absorb the pain hence the strange tweets and the date of death etc. -the coincidences. And perhaps his loneliness exacerbated a depressive state of mind thus leading to irresponsible choices. Yet his agreement to see the doc from Beverly Hills for addiction suggests at one level that he was really just trying to manage his pain. Unless it was all orchestrated to lend emphasis to his songs...his final piece of art. But that's too morbid a thought I think and Prince had too much to live for...the mere fact that he didn't have a will suggests he didn't think death was near his doorstep. RIP Prince, I'll forever love you.

Thank you for sharing this. As someone who has suffered from chronic pain, you summed up many of the experiences that come with the issues of prescription pain killers. I personally avoid them, even though sometimes it's hard to do, for these very reasons. There are those painful nights when you wind up taking more than prescribed because the pain gets so bad you just don't care. There are certainly times I've thought to myself "if this kills me, oh well...at least I won't be feeling this". I recognize this in myself, and thus keep away from anything stronger than ibuprofen and ice packs (which sometimes do diddly-squat).

As for the drug dealer thing, I think it's a BS story from Daily Mail. I just doubt anything that rag shills, and I also am skeptical that P would have survived this long if he'd been taking those kinds of drugs this long.

jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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