PeteSilas said:

Trickology said:

Prince's Alleged Drug Dealer showed Prince's preference for Fet patches before it was announced Prince was administering Fetanyl.

In addition he goes into details that Prince suffered from extreme stage fright and needed them to continue on stage in front of people. He also goes into detail on him working at coachella as a roadie & giving Prince his supply. He says he has been giving prince his supply since the mid eighties. Take it all with a grain of salt, but it doesn't sound unbelieveable what Prince needed to keep the pressure at bay. It makes sense actually.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

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the stage fright thing made me doubt his whole story, Prince may have had stagefright in the 80's but people with stage fright don't take any excuse they can to be in front of an audience. Marvin Gaye had to be smacked by Berry to get on stage, Elvis was a nervous wreck and admitted to it, Prince took to the stage like it was the only place that made him happy.

Yep, always giving out awards to people. Performing any chance he got. Making speeches. He seemed to love the stage. That part for me is unbelievable. Unless Prince told him that as an excuse, who knows.

terrig said:

i apologize gang, i'm sorry . i shouldnt have been so accusatory.

its all so wrong and so ....final.

I think your rage is not misdirected. It is very interesting how so called friends, people who are so quick to hop on TV and say how close they were, didn't do anything.

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But then again, I have to tell myself that maybe some people did try to help. Maybe they are being quiet to respect his privacy.

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MJ's family held and intervention and they talked about it. And he was very private. But for some reason with Prince, no one is saying anything else.

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All I know is that my friends look me in the eye when they talk to me. They hug me, they tell me when they think I'm too thin, they know what I'm like if I have one beer, they can tell when I'm upset. My family are triple that. My family and friends KNOW me. And I KNOW them.

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Seems to me the people who really knew him for years and years weren't around him in the end. He had isolated himself. I read somewhere that Bobby Z was at one of the PP parties not that long ago. So who knows.

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Hang in there, it's OK to be angry because it will fade. What you don't need is people telling you to shut up about it or that your anger is wrong.

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Sorry double post.

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Fuck the report, FUCK how Prince died, and FUCK all of this obsession over how he passed. Who cares?!!!! What about his LIFE and how he LIVED it?!!! What about his MUSIC--his LIVING LEGACY? If this forum is going keep going then it has to focus on the legacy he left to those who care--his music. Let's PLEASE not turn this forum into a repeat of the MJ sites.

purplethunder3121 said:

Fuck the report, FUCK how Prince died, and FUCK all of this obsession over how he passed. Who cares?!!!! What about his LIFE and how he LIVED it?!!! What about his MUSIC--his LIVING LEGACY? If this forum is going keep going then it has to focus on the legacy he left to those who care--his music. Let's PLEASE not turn this forum into a repeat of the MJ sites.

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Oi! the news just broke yesterday! people are processing new information - let them!

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Heidi said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Fuck the report, FUCK how Prince died, and FUCK all of this obsession over how he passed. Who cares?!!!! What about his LIFE and how he LIVED it?!!! What about his MUSIC--his LIVING LEGACY? If this forum is going keep going then it has to focus on the legacy he left to those who care--his music. Let's PLEASE not turn this forum into a repeat of the MJ sites.

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Oi! the news just broke yesterday! people are processing new information - let them!

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Thank you!!!

BobGeorge909 said:

Prince's weight, along with his height and age is at the recommended level

He was not severely underweight. According to a website (and yes they do all differ slightly) for a 63inch tall adult male - Ideal bodyweight in kg is 50.6 and in pounds 111.6.

112lbs - 8 stones - 50.8kg

However give someone of that size some medication that would normally be given to a taller and heavier man/woman, that's probably a recipe for disaster.

Would he have (if it was present) read the label and dosage instructions for adults/children and went for the adult dosage? Who knows what your mind is thinking if you're in that much pain, desperation would spring to mind. He no way had the bodysize of an average male.

So many thoughts go through my mind wondering on the night he died, did he physically know it was happening (was he light-headed, sick, feeling queasy, was he just plainly out of his head and not knowing what was happening to him because of the medication, or was it literally out of the blue and the body shutdown and put him straight to sleep in the elevator and unfortunately he never woke up).

I really hope that he was none-the-wiser and it just happened.

Reading some of this thread has been sheer torture, but not because of what I've learned about Prince.

I wish people would stop with the "I feel that" and "he probably", "my spirit" then AIDS, cancer, even conspiracy and murder. It's sad enough to know how Prince died, no need to inject theories that say all about you and nothing about Prince.

Spayne said:

Aerogram said:

nursev said:

Besides this report none of us will ever really know what happened to him...I guess people are so heartbroken that they are looking for anything to tell them he didn't die like this.

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Not necessarily. His family will get the full report and they may tell friends and it only takes one family member or friend to tell the press about it. And if it's not some horrible secret, then there's really not a major reason not to tell the world anyhow.

PeteSilas said:

Trickology said:

Prince's Alleged Drug Dealer showed Prince's preference for Fet patches before it was announced Prince was administering Fetanyl.

In addition he goes into details that Prince suffered from extreme stage fright and needed them to continue on stage in front of people. He also goes into detail on him working at coachella as a roadie & giving Prince his supply. He says he has been giving prince his supply since the mid eighties. Take it all with a grain of salt, but it doesn't sound unbelieveable what Prince needed to keep the pressure at bay. It makes sense actually.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

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the stage fright thing made me doubt his whole story, Prince may have had stagefright in the 80's but people with stage fright don't take any excuse they can to be in front of an audience. Marvin Gaye had to be smacked by Berry to get on stage, Elvis was a nervous wreck and admitted to it, Prince took to the stage like it was the only place that made him happy.

There is no way anyone can be taking a drug like this since the 80s. This is a hardcore opioid. If he started taking it in the 80s he would be long dead by now. Not to mention being able to show no signs of it, being as driven as he was or be as articulate as he was for the past 30 years. This drug is no percocet, this thing fucks your mind and body up over time, prescribed or not. It is a last resort type of medication where others no longer work.

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setyrmindphree said:

According to MEO report and its description of his clothing this is most likely the exact clothes he had on when he passed, sans the jacket, gloves and footwear.
This photo was taken outside the Walgreens Wednesday evening April 20. It has been reportedly widely that he may have passed 6 or so hours prior to official pronounced time. Thats around 3:00 am. So, very sadly, that's probably exactly what he was wearing.


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We Purple children seem to be divided into three classes here:

Those who doubt Prince was abbusive with the drug, and was treating pain

Those who feel Prince was abbusive with the drug

Those who don't care one way or the other

I HOPE he was not an abbuser. There is no telling. I tried a tad of Methydone once, and the false confidence and euphoria it brought was frightening. The attraction to drugs like this was profoundly etched in my memory. For anyone who doubts how powerful the addictive qualities of these drugs are, I would say don't judge.

Many things are still so inconsistant. The report of him staying up for days straight does NOT read constant opiod intake. The fact he could perform did not read constant opiod intake. Everything is so mysterious.

We three camps may never have a satisfying conclusion to this story. The inner circle of Prince seem to act in his spirit of privacy now.

I am curious, wish I had a crystal ball and could see it all.

It's all so sad. A man builds all he built in a life, and then lets it all go suddenly.

I still believe he was treating a disease in the back ground. I believe it was most probably cancer. But we may never know the whole truth.

RE: Drug Dealer's story

Doesn't add up. Keep in mind the tabloids BG/TMZ were already telling this story. But you can't have it both ways - you can't say Prince was (successfully) doing these Fentanyl patches for decades then say that he died by accidentally self-administering a fatal overdose. What is known - As of April 18th, three days BEFORE he died, the tabloids reported he was GOING TO die sometime this summer from a chronic illness (AIDS).

Having an early lead on the summer's outcome - they probably put together their story to sell some coverage knowing that the legal system makes their speech unaccountable after a celebrity's death. Not a conspiracy. This is basic human behavior and business (read: opportunistic animals).

The OD was the immediate cause, no doubt. I don't care if the underlying cause was AIDS, cancer, or deep depression. As someone said - it makes him even more amazing. Consider the force of will required to continue putting on shows and sounding great while living w/a chronic illness. If anybody could or would do it... it's Prince. I can't imagine him checking into a hospice, chilling and waiting to check out.

I hope Prince is at rest, riding a bicycle... playing ping pong... or listening to music in heaven with the people he loved - free from anything that caused despair or conflict in his life. He earned it.

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PeteSilas said:

the stage fright thing made me doubt his whole story, Prince may have had stagefright in the 80's but people with stage fright don't take any excuse they can to be in front of an audience. Marvin Gaye had to be smacked by Berry to get on stage, Elvis was a nervous wreck and admitted to it, Prince took to the stage like it was the only place that made him happy.

Having stage fright does NOT mean you don't want to go out there. You said it yourself: Prince took the stage like it was the only place that made him happy. This means he wanted to do it as much as he could – even if he had stage fright and that is not a contradiction.

Stage fright works as if you'd really want to do bungee-jumping because you know you'll feel free and happy while doing it, but you're terrified of having to take that leap. Yet you want to do it really bad, again and again.

One of the guys I worked with for years was very confident on stage and he enjoyed every minute of it every single time he was out there – and the audience didn't have a clue that I had to hug him and calm him before every single time he went out on stage because he was literally shaking due to extreme stage fright. He was literally unable to go out without having one small cup of wine. That was his drug. And I'm talking about a guy who's been a professional solo artist for 30 years already, and his stage fright was only getting worse with time.

So don't make false assumptions about stage fright - it's a weird bitch and it's not impossible that Prince had it too. I don't know if he did or not, but it's not impossible.

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FUNKNROLL said:

RE: Drug Dealer's story

Doesn't add up. Keep in mind the tabloids BG/TMZ were already telling this story. But you can't have it both ways - you can't say Prince was (successfully) doing these Fentanyl patches for decades then say that he died by accidentally self-administering a fatal overdose. What is known - As of April 18th, three days BEFORE he died, the tabloids reported he was GOING TO die sometime this summer from a chronic illness

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April 18 was three days after his plane landed and he almost died. So wow...amazing prediction to say that he was going to die before long, right after that. Not.

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I woke up with a thought this morning that it is possible the Fentanyl was a recent event, something he just started using recently (within the last year). If we look at how he suddenly seemed to age, appeared more gaunt in recent times, it could be a result of starting the use of fentanyl. If he had been using percocets for years to manage his pain, he seemed comfortable with it, so much so that he was able to continue touring, making albums, and working as hard as he always had. If the fentanyl was a recent development, maybe because the percocets were no longer working for him, he would not have been as used to them. It could be that he saw the way they were effecting him and wanted to stop them (thus the flu like symptoms) not realizing that he had already developed a dependence upon them.

If he wasn't used to them, he wouldn't be used to how much he could take and could have inadvertently taken more than he should have if he was in extreme pain, thinking it was safe (thus the first episode on the plane ride home) and that episode scared him enough that he wanted to seek out help to get off them. The fact that a few days passed from that first incident to the second one, could be the time frame in which they were doing research, trying to find the best way to stop the medication, the company/medical facility that would work best with Prince and his needs. They would have wanted to find a way that would be the most gentle on him, to prevent the withdrawal symptoms (or at least to lessen those symptoms).

Rebeljuice said:

PeteSilas said:

the stage fright thing made me doubt his whole story, Prince may have had stagefright in the 80's but people with stage fright don't take any excuse they can to be in front of an audience. Marvin Gaye had to be smacked by Berry to get on stage, Elvis was a nervous wreck and admitted to it, Prince took to the stage like it was the only place that made him happy.

There is no way anyone can be taking a drug like this since the 80s. This is a hardcore opioid. If he started taking it in the 80s he would be long dead by now. Not to mention being able to show no signs of it, being as driven as he was or be as articulate as he was for the past 30 years. This drug is no percocet, this thing fucks your mind and body up over time, prescribed or not. It is a last resort type of medication where others no longer work.

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Exactly. It would be impossible to be taking this drug for 30+ years and keep it a secret, let alone live such an incredibly productive life. There is a reason that although this story has been out since only a few days after his death, not a single news organization has brought it up after the report of accidental fentanyl overdose.

farnorth said:

Rebeljuice said:

There is no way anyone can be taking a drug like this since the 80s. This is a hardcore opioid. If he started taking it in the 80s he would be long dead by now. Not to mention being able to show no signs of it, being as driven as he was or be as articulate as he was for the past 30 years. This drug is no percocet, this thing fucks your mind and body up over time, prescribed or not. It is a last resort type of medication where others no longer work.

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Exactly. It would be impossible to be taking this drug for 30+ years and keep it a secret, let alone live such an incredibly productive life. There is a reason that although this story has been out since only a few days after his death, not a single news organization has brought it up after the report of accidental fentanyl overdose.

I don't believe the story either. But the stage fright itself is not an impossibility.

KaresB said:

farnorth said:

Exactly. It would be impossible to be taking this drug for 30+ years and keep it a secret, let alone live such an incredibly productive life. There is a reason that although this story has been out since only a few days after his death, not a single news organization has brought it up after the report of accidental fentanyl overdose.

I don't believe the story either. But the stage fright itself is not an impossibility.

I'm with you there.