RiotPaisley said:

nursev said:

wow...never seen this in 20 yrs as a nurse. Any time your injecting anything into your body there is no room for error...quick way to die.

I don't know where the info that HE was injecting it came from but it is true- heroin addicts I have known cut them up and inject the gel. There is a website- I won't name here but it's mostly people who use sharing tips and tricks. You can google "can you inject fentynal" and the site comes up cuz I didn't believe it when I was told they were doing it... Sure enough this site came up and I couldn't believe the site itself even existed let alone injecting a GEL substance. There's a post on here too that said two weeks ago a report about synthetic fentynal was found in upper MN. I'm concerned there is a connection and eventually criminal charges are going to start rolling in. I have a feeling this is going to be ugly. Real ugly.

I didn't see anything about injecting Fentanyl, nor have I heard that. Is there a source for this information? Moreover, many of the "inside" reports stated that "pills" were found on his person. I just want to ensure that if someone is stating "injected" that this is 100% accurate. Not that it changes the result, but it seems (to me at least) that an accidental overdose of pill-form Fentanyl to deal with chronic pain is a whole different things from basically mainlining it.

RachB65 said:

1contessa said:

IMO, when people suffer from depression, flu, cancer, etc, they don't hide it, and have no problem revealing it to others, but I think that AIDS is a different story. As sad as it is, I'm afraid that there is still a stigma against having AIDS, which is surprising in the year 2016. Why would you still be trying to keep that a secret, especially if others could have been affected by it, it just makes no sense!

Did you know David Bowie had cancer before he died?

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Word. Besides being a musician, multi-instrumentalist, and audio engineer, I'm also pretty well equipped in Psychology. There are several reasons why one may hide depression, or physical conditions, like cancer, etc.

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Especially if your entire artistic message has always been to overcome obstacles, break barriers, and unite. Let's not forget that Prince, besides being the most brilliant musician, lyricist, songwriter, arranger, and performer of all time, always fought to live in the everlasting now. He beat everything in his life by himself. He almost beat this.

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aids no doubt still has stigma, 30 years haven't changed that I'm afraid. Just look at the outrage at the IDEA that Prince may have had Aids, that tells you how they feel about the disease.

PeteSilas said:

destinyc1 said:

Fury said:

destinyc1 said: A male 5'3" and 112 pounds would have had a NORMAL BMI Your BMI is 19.8 (Normal

He appeared very thin and his cheeks looked sunken in

and the color in his face has been Way off (like a disturbing grey/green color) for awhile now, among other obvious deteriorations. Not as a criticism, but the refusals by some of us to acknowledge what he clearly showed us for a long time now bums me out, because, its a cop out of sorts, and we're stronger than that, like he was.

RenaRF said:

RiotPaisley said:

nursev said: I don't know where the info that HE was injecting it came from but it is true- heroin addicts I have known cut them up and inject the gel. There is a website- I won't name here but it's mostly people who use sharing tips and tricks. You can google "can you inject fentynal" and the site comes up cuz I didn't believe it when I was told they were doing it... Sure enough this site came up and I couldn't believe the site itself even existed let alone injecting a GEL substance. There's a post on here too that said two weeks ago a report about synthetic fentynal was found in upper MN. I'm concerned there is a connection and eventually criminal charges are going to start rolling in. I have a feeling this is going to be ugly. Real ugly.

I didn't see anything about injecting Fentanyl, nor have I heard that. Is there a source for this information? Moreover, many of the "inside" reports stated that "pills" were found on his person. I just want to ensure that if someone is stating "injected" that this is 100% accurate. Not that it changes the result, but it seems (to me at least) that an accidental overdose of pill-form Fentanyl to deal with chronic pain is a whole different things from basically mainlining it.

The pills have to be dissolved under the tongue. Stomach acid make them ineffective if swallowed. So it's either patch, pills under tongue or injecting. to get a high quick enough to make you pass out standing up, you have have to inject or put alot of pills under your tongue. A patch wouldn't give you the quick response unless you put it in your mouth.

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PeteSilas said:

aids no doubt still has stigma, 30 years haven't changed that I'm afraid. Just look at the outrage at the IDEA that Prince may have had Aids, that tells you how they feel about the disease.

I don't understand why anyone would be outraged?

RenaRF said:

BobGeorge909 said:

nursev said:

just a sidebar that fentanyl patches are so strong that when you apply them u need gloves on...they're absorbed through the skin and go straight to the bloodstream n cause headaches...so imagine injecting it and making an error. never seen a fentanyl injection.

I have. I have a intestinal disease and would often have to have colonoscopies of my colon and lower small intestines done. They use fentanyl injection along with verced to "twilight" you. Not awake but not quite asleep either. So u can still somewhat follow instructions and/or cooperate with the procedure. Between my opiate use and frequency of having that procedure, I simply stopped "twilighting" and it just turned into a miserable experience of having someone shove and endless tube up my ass. Not that the twilighting was much better. Essentially u kinda knew what was going on but just didn't have the wherewithal or ability to stop it. Now they simply use propofal and completely knock me out.

that sounds horrible

BanishedBrian said:

jonnylawson said:

luv4u said: This is an INTERNET FORUM - none Of us are family

Actually, Prince said that we were "fams" not "fans," so I would dispute that assertion.

He said in that interview with Mel B that he didn't call us fans because that is from fanatic, he calls us friends. And as friends we care. As for family, I don't think he was close to any of them, otherwise he'd have had them part of his crew, shows, etc. like he did with friends and such.

nursev said:

I think he was by himself and applied more than he was supposed to...I'm not gonna say he chewed them.

On CNN they said they also make them in lollipops, Prince always had a lollipop in his mouth.

CROWNS1 said:

RenaRF said:

I didn't see anything about injecting Fentanyl, nor have I heard that. Is there a source for this information? Moreover, many of the "inside" reports stated that "pills" were found on his person. I just want to ensure that if someone is stating "injected" that this is 100% accurate. Not that it changes the result, but it seems (to me at least) that an accidental overdose of pill-form Fentanyl to deal with chronic pain is a whole different things from basically mainlining it.

The pills have to be dissolved under the tongue. Stomach acid make them ineffective if swallowed. So it's either patch, pills under tongue or injecting. to get a high quick enough to make you pass out standing up, you have have to inject or put alot of pills under your tongue. A patch wouldn't give you the quick response unless you put it in your mouth.

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There was mention of a Fentanyl lozenge available also, that sounds rather different than a sublingual type tablet as your describing. But I'm not a pharmacist or provider. Surely we have a few pharmacists here, no? For those who want to search the web, good medical providers suggest using the webmd site, or not at all.

PeteSilas said:

aids no doubt still has stigma, 30 years haven't changed that I'm afraid. Just look at the outrage at the IDEA that Prince may have had Aids, that tells you how they feel about the disease.

would have been consistent w/ certain religious and race related influences and pressures closely around him though.

RiotPaisley said:

Please google what a fentynal lollipop looks like... They aren't going to make a lollipop that is stronger than heroin look like candy so kids can get at it. So no he has not been walking around with fentynal lollipops.

Prince's Alleged Drug Dealer showed Prince's preference for Fet patches before it was announced Prince was administering Fetanyl.

In addition he goes into details that Prince suffered from extreme stage fright and needed them to continue on stage in front of people. He also goes into detail on him working at coachella as a roadie & giving Prince his supply. He says he has been giving prince his supply since the mid eighties. Take it all with a grain of salt, but it doesn't sound unbelieveable what Prince needed to keep the pressure at bay. It makes sense actually.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3555292/Prince-s-former-drug-dealer-reveals-extent-addiction.html

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Trickology said:

sonshine said:

1contessa said:

luv4u said:

We are all looking for answers and closure.

I agree, and so far this report has left me with more questions than answers.

I think we all knew that there would no answers, right? Even if we got all the answers, their would be massive debate and spectulation here.

RiotPaisley said:

nursev said:

wow...never seen this in 20 yrs as a nurse. Any time your injecting anything into your body there is no room for error...quick way to die.

I don't know where the info that HE was injecting it came from but it is true- heroin addicts I have known cut them up and inject the gel. There is a website- I won't name here but it's mostly people who use sharing tips and tricks. You can google "can you inject fentynal" and the site comes up cuz I didn't believe it when I was told they were doing it... Sure enough this site came up and I couldn't believe the site itself even existed let alone injecting a GEL substance. There's a post on here too that said two weeks ago a report about synthetic fentynal was found in upper MN. I'm concerned there is a connection and eventually criminal charges are going to start rolling in. I have a feeling this is going to be ugly. Real ugly.

But why did it have to be Prince?

This is just sad. Because it was totally preventable!!

I was hoping he had a heart failure or such but OD -- WTF Prince!!

He needed help and didn't get it.

Addiction to pain killers / opioids is no picnic!!

His close associates were a bunch of amateurs. His close friends lied during recent interviews. Sure they knew!

I have close relatives who were addicted to pain killers caused by chronic pain and also had a friend who was an opioid addict.

They need STRONG people around them to help them get out of this hole. And they themselves need to be wanting to get help!

His need for privacy. Maybe shame to acknowledge he had a problem.

Prince may not have had a trusted doctor relationship to look after him medically over the years.

(Ditto no ongoing trusted legal representatives who looked after his affairs hence no will)

Result: this major stuff up and no will!!

Whether that was his own fault or the fault of the people around him or probably a combination of both.

He's a famous guy, very private, used drugs maybe in the past then chronic pain and bingo. Nobody says anything or if they say something they get excluded from his inner circle.

Other famous people have discrete doctors and lawyers so why not Prince - fucked up!

I will always love his music.

Feel sorry for him as a human being to have had addiction problems and died alone with no support.

I don't know if this has been pointed out already, but just because a physician (or other "primary care provider" such as nurse practitioner or physician assistant, both of whom can also prescribe certain classes of drugs depending on the state/country) treats someone once, or more, doesn't make them "their doctor."

Providers have no "ownership" over patients either.

Patients can treat with multiple providers, in the same of different cities, states, and countries, and may or may not disclose any or all of their history to their present provider(s).

The reasons for doing so may very well be proper (or improper).

Why anyone would assume either way here and now is beyond me.

Medical providers and facilities have no "ownership" over patients either. Its not "your patient", etc.

Providers have certain duties based on what a patient presents them with at that moment, their known history (if any), and the reasonable standard of care in that community that is a legal and medical term, etc.

Medical providers are now commonly "Skyping"-in their patient visits from other states and countries to treat, diagnose, and submit either local Rxns or have Rxns shipped to patients (wherever they want to receive something depending on the patient's preference, insurance (if any), payment method, and more.)

No one may ever know if he was lawfully prescribed Fentanyl, nor anything else (nor when) either in the U.S. or abroad, such as in Australia, Canada or elsewhere.

And really, investing much faith in the investigative skills and diligence of local or even federal agencies and law enforcement is not well-placed at this juncture.

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setyrmindphree said:

According to MEO report and its description of his clothing this is most likely the exact clothes he had on when he passed, sans the jacket, gloves and footwear. This photo was taken outside the Walgreens Wednesday evening April 20. It has been reportedly widely that he may have passed 6 or so hours prior to official pronounced time. Thats around 3:00 am. So, very sadly, that's probably exactly what he was wearing. [img:$uid]http://i1248.ph.../img:$uid] [Edited 6/2/16 20:16pm]

Didn't the color of his face alone in the many prior months, as shown in this photo also tell you he Clearly has an underlying terminal illness that exacerbated his pain and physical condition? YES.

StopIt said:

setyrmindphree said:

According to MEO report and its description of his clothing this is most likely the exact clothes he had on when he passed, sans the jacket, gloves and footwear. This photo was taken outside the Walgreens Wednesday evening April 20. It has been reportedly widely that he may have passed 6 or so hours prior to official pronounced time. Thats around 3:00 am. So, very sadly, that's probably exactly what he was wearing. [img:$uid]http://i1248.ph.../img:$uid] [Edited 6/2/16 20:16pm]

Didn't the color of his face alone in the many prior months, as shown in this photo also tell you he Clearly has an underlying terminal illness that exacerbated his pain and physical condition? YES.

Same outfit as at the record store also, did he stop there that same day?

mimi1956 said:

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Giovanni777 said:

Giovanni777 said:

RachB65 said:

1contessa said: Did you know David Bowie had cancer before he died?

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Word. Besides being a musician, multi-instrumentalist, and audio engineer, I'm also pretty well equipped in Psychology. There are several reasons why one may hide depression, or physical conditions, like cancer, etc.

.

Especially if your entire artistic message has always been to overcome obstacles, break barriers, and unite. Let's not forget that Prince, besides being the most brilliant musician, lyricist, songwriter, arranger, and performer of all time, always fought to live in the everlasting now. He beat everything in his life by himself. He almost beat this.

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People who struggle with this.... Will find flaws in others, and actuallly preach, but hide their own. Do teh best for tohers, but not self.From a negative perspective, attack others and not self. Either way, it's bad.

Im so so ANGRY.

All the 'friends' of Princes all over social media and facebook and cnn alllllll discussing him.

NONE OF THEM KNEW?

NOT ONE?

NOT ONE 'FREIND' OF HOW MANY YEARS... THEY WERE ALL UP IN HIS FACE?

I cannot stem my rage rt now.

HOW COME YOU DIDNT KNOW YOUR FRIEND YOU WERE SO CLOSE TO WAS KILLING HIMSELF?

f-all these so called 'friends'. oh you were so close....no, no you werent - or you knew and did nothing.

live with that now, 'freinds'.

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