I've been redirected here (I think - I hope this is the right place) by Langebleu; my apologies and thanks for the info.

So I'll say it here again, that I wish I knew what the actual date was that he died. They found him at 10.07 on 21 April, but depending on the hours he kept and so on, he could well have died late on the 20th. My first guess would be that he did in fact; but I'd like to know for certain for the sake of history.

I find it odd that he was wearing a cap indoors. Wouldn't think it's than common. Especially if you've already taken off your shoes, which is done for comfort, right? You would have thought it happened shortly after coming inside the house, but then the paramedics did CPR on him, so he was still alive when found, probably just barely.
The time of death was not in the report so...

I am waring a cap indoors right now. I have long hair and the cap keeps it tidy, if i can not be bothered styling it. So I imagine a similar reason.

MMJas said:

I find it odd that he was wearing a cap indoors. Wouldn't think it's than common. Especially if you've already taken off your shoes, which is done for comfort, right? You would have thought it happened shortly after coming inside the house, but then the paramedics did CPR on him, so he was still alive when found, probably just barely.
The time of death was not in the report so...

I find it hard to believe that a hundredfold-millionaire would live entirely alone, ie that there were no servants around to say "I saw him at 7.30 in the morning when I took him breakfast before he went out around 9.00" or whatever - but maybe that's how it was. In all of this analysis and speculation I think we have to remember (me especially) that he was different from other people in lots of ways.

I'd really like to know when he started using opioid painkillers, and when (or which times) he became dependent on them.

It's my view that his creativity post 2006ish in his recorded output became basically unlistenable for me. I went from anticipating P's every next move to just giving the new albums a listen out of tokenistic respect and a faint hope that I'd hear something that lives up to P's legacy. I don't think I ever did.

It's a big deal to me, because if opioids ruined Prince's output, then that's the first inarguable reason I have for trying to get off heroin. Of course, if he was doing horse whilst singing about doing horse in Sign O the Times, then I'll continue just trying to keep it under control.

I'm really sorry guys if you feel this is disrespectful. I absolutely worshipped the man. In 1999-2000 I was the kind of person to wear his symbol pendant around my neck and disallow people him from calling him "Prince" in my presence. It was always "The Artist". Yeah, I was that guy. And I absolutely love things like newpowerSoul, most of Emancipation, 3121 being the last album that had tracks on it I really enjoyed.

But if opioid dependence killed his musical creativity, I have to give up, because I'm trying to be creative musically myself, and I don't exaclty have the natural fire Prince did.

I love you and miss you Prince and big shout out to all at the org, especially my purple-on-black old school brothers, Aerogram, rdhull, Bart Van Hemelen, all you incredibly wonderful and kind fans who sent me Prince CDs I couldn't get in the UK just out of the good of your hearts, this website has been a massive part of my life, just as Prince himself, and I hope it stays - I hope the old archive gets uploaded as well so I can reminisce on the annoying little shit I used to be. Peace and B Wild.

Tresha68 said:

TopazGirl said:

Yep, exactly. I agree with you absolutely because of those reasons.

The thing with the enquirer, they have been sued so many times for millions...they no longer print things they do not have proof of. I tend to take their word over CNN. If there is no lawsuit....by the person referred to in the article and no one claims or denies...it is usually the truth. Crazy, but think about it.

I believe that the reason tabloids such as the Enquirer don't get sued as often is for several reasons. For one, it would become very expensive for a celebrity to sue as the lawsuit can become long and drawn out along with the fact that the actual lawsuit would cause an even bigger stir and bring much more unwanted attention than the initial untrue article that was published about them. However, there are still some celebs who have recently sued various tabloids.

There are so many garbage articles that are published about celebrities that they can't go after each and every one of them, so I think many just try to ignore them and they try to take comfort in the fact that these mags aren't reputable and that most people won't believe what's printed in them anyway. In saying this, I would never believe that an outrageous article about a celeb was true just because the celeb didn't sue over it. I would never take a tabloids word over a news outlet like CNN, for example. Although, I currently have a little more faith in TMZ for some of their reporting, although their style is still quite brash.

newpowergeneration said:

I'd really like to know when he started using opioid painkillers, and when (or which times) he became dependent on them.

It's my view that his creativity post 2006ish in his recorded output became basically unlistenable for me. I went from anticipating P's every next move to just giving the new albums a listen out of tokenistic respect and a faint hope that I'd hear something that lives up to P's legacy. I don't think I ever did.

It's a big deal to me, because if opioids ruined Prince's output, then that's the first inarguable reason I have for trying to get off heroin. Of course, if he was doing horse whilst singing about doing horse in Sign O the Times, then I'll continue just trying to keep it under control.

I'm really sorry guys if you feel this is disrespectful. I absolutely worshipped the man. In 1999-2000 I was the kind of person to wear his symbol pendant around my neck and disallow people him from calling him "Prince" in my presence. It was always "The Artist". Yeah, I was that guy. And I absolutely love things like newpowerSoul, most of Emancipation, 3121 being the last album that had tracks on it I really enjoyed.

But if opioid dependence killed his musical creativity, I have to give up, because I'm trying to be creative musically myself, and I don't exaclty have the natural fire Prince did.

I love you and miss you Prince and big shout out to all at the org, especially my purple-on-black old school brothers, Aerogram, rdhull, Bart Van Hemelen, all you incredibly wonderful and kind fans who sent me Prince CDs I couldn't get in the UK just out of the good of your hearts, this website has been a massive part of my life, just as Prince himself, and I hope it stays - I hope the old archive gets uploaded as well so I can reminisce on the annoying little shit I used to be. Peace and B Wild.

I don't think any of us know the answer to that, I know this though, I hate drugs.

PeteSilas said:

I really don't know, before his death, there were only a couple occasions or anectdotes where i read he had dabbled in drugs, one, the first I'm aware of was him drinking red wine during the recording of "how come you don't call me anymore", the second was the infamous incident where he dropped excstasy with Ingrid Chavez, Susan Rogers says she had quit shortly before, he called her in the middle of the night and shockingly found herself face to face with a Prince with dilated pupils who tried to talk her into coming back. She was shook and left. There is also a vid of prince ducking behind a curtain and coming out to blow a puff of smoke. some people also think he was high when James and MJ called him onstage, I always thought he just had no stage game at the time and that's why Michael called him to make a fool of himself. Also, the story of him od'ing in the 90's where he'd washed down some pills with wine. Outside of that, I don't see a whole lot of evidence of drug use. I tend to think he dabbled in them but wasn't too heavy into them.

schnupp said:

Bluey said:

... makes me sad that clearly he was a lonely person who needed help and did not get it. I wish I would have had the honour to meet him. I wish he was still here. I wish people would have a heart and not judge him for his actions. I'm glad this is one of the places where he is simply loved.

oh bluey, so much love in these words. he gave us all so much. more than music, much more. he lived his life with his 'family' as he rather called them cause he thought fans has too much to do with fanatic.

same as you, I wish, I just wish... he would have not been alone (unless he wished to be) and that he did at least not suffer or was scared (which is even more important). and I wished so much he would have had a love in his life, taking care of all that beautiful soul of his and returning his love he had inside to give.

oh prince *sigh*

☮ & ❥ to you all.

Everything that I have said and felt 10 x over, we his "family" had so much love for him. Wish it had een enough.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Unfortunately, Nothing can bring Prince back. Still bothered by the fact the same Dr saw him on Apr 7 & Apr 20.

What I would like to come out is what tests he had done and why were the results being hand delivered by the Dr. himself. If the Fentanyl was a new drug, why was it given? More questions than answers.

derrick31 said:

A death certificate is not an autopsy report. The death certificate only explains what killed him, not what was wrong with Prince. An autopsy report is much more detailed and would also mention any underlying conditions Prince had including why he may have been taking a drug meant for terminally ill people. This is what an autopsy report looks like: Michael Jackson http://www.autopsyfiles.o...report.pdf [Edited 6/4/16 15:40pm]

Wow. I haven't read a autopsy report for 20 years.

I didn't realize they are that in depth, and felt like I shouldn't have been reading it.

If I were Tyka or Prince's family I don't think I would make it public.

derrick31 said:

A death certificate is not an autopsy report. The death certificate only explains what killed him, not what was wrong with Prince. An autopsy report is much more detailed and would also mention any underlying conditions Prince had including why he may have been taking a drug meant for terminally ill people. This is what an autopsy report looks like: Michael Jackson http://www.autopsyfiles.o...report.pdf [Edited 6/4/16 15:40pm]

Minnesota law only allows next of kin to receive the Autopsy Report. Source: http://www.stlouiscountym...tions.aspx

newpowergeneration said:

I'd really like to know when he started using opioid painkillers, and when (or which times) he became dependent on them.

It's my view that his creativity post 2006ish in his recorded output became basically unlistenable for me. I went from anticipating P's every next move to just giving the new albums a listen out of tokenistic respect and a faint hope that I'd hear something that lives up to P's legacy. I don't think I ever did.

It's a big deal to me, because if opioids ruined Prince's output, then that's the first inarguable reason I have for trying to get off heroin. Of course, if he was doing horse whilst singing about doing horse in Sign O the Times, then I'll continue just trying to keep it under control.

I'm really sorry guys if you feel this is disrespectful. I absolutely worshipped the man. In 1999-2000 I was the kind of person to wear his symbol pendant around my neck and disallow people him from calling him "Prince" in my presence. It was always "The Artist". Yeah, I was that guy. And I absolutely love things like newpowerSoul, most of Emancipation, 3121 being the last album that had tracks on it I really enjoyed.

But if opioid dependence killed his musical creativity, I have to give up, because I'm trying to be creative musically myself, and I don't exaclty have the natural fire Prince did.

I love you and miss you Prince and big shout out to all at the org, especially my purple-on-black old school brothers, Aerogram, rdhull, Bart Van Hemelen, all you incredibly wonderful and kind fans who sent me Prince CDs I couldn't get in the UK just out of the good of your hearts, this website has been a massive part of my life, just as Prince himself, and I hope it stays - I hope the old archive gets uploaded as well so I can reminisce on the annoying little shit I used to be. Peace and B Wild.

I'm not sure if I am understanding what you are saying. Forgive me if I am wrong but it sounds like you are weighing the consequences of herion use and music ability? If I am wrong in my assumption I truly apologize. If I am not wrong I want to tell you I lost my son to drugs. Everyone thinks they can maintain and control. It's a lie. Your life is far more important then any music ability you may have to offer.

shiyu said:

newpowergeneration said:

I'd really like to know when he started using opioid painkillers, and when (or which times) he became dependent on them.

It's my view that his creativity post 2006ish in his recorded output became basically unlistenable for me. I went from anticipating P's every next move to just giving the new albums a listen out of tokenistic respect and a faint hope that I'd hear something that lives up to P's legacy. I don't think I ever did.

It's a big deal to me, because if opioids ruined Prince's output, then that's the first inarguable reason I have for trying to get off heroin. Of course, if he was doing horse whilst singing about doing horse in Sign O the Times, then I'll continue just trying to keep it under control.

I'm really sorry guys if you feel this is disrespectful. I absolutely worshipped the man. In 1999-2000 I was the kind of person to wear his symbol pendant around my neck and disallow people him from calling him "Prince" in my presence. It was always "The Artist". Yeah, I was that guy. And I absolutely love things like newpowerSoul, most of Emancipation, 3121 being the last album that had tracks on it I really enjoyed.

But if opioid dependence killed his musical creativity, I have to give up, because I'm trying to be creative musically myself, and I don't exaclty have the natural fire Prince did.

I love you and miss you Prince and big shout out to all at the org, especially my purple-on-black old school brothers, Aerogram, rdhull, Bart Van Hemelen, all you incredibly wonderful and kind fans who sent me Prince CDs I couldn't get in the UK just out of the good of your hearts, this website has been a massive part of my life, just as Prince himself, and I hope it stays - I hope the old archive gets uploaded as well so I can reminisce on the annoying little shit I used to be. Peace and B Wild.

I'm not sure if I am understanding what you are saying. Forgive me if I am wrong but it sounds like you are weighing the consequences of herion use and music ability? If I am wrong in my assumption I truly apologize. If I am not wrong I want to tell you I lost my son to drugs. Everyone thinks they can maintain and control. It's a lie. Your life is far more important then any music ability you may have to offer.

you can't say anything to an addict, they'll just hate you for it.

TopazGirl said:

bigtimefan said:

cardinal said:

derrick31 said:

cardinal said:

there ought to be a middle ground. i mean, we don't need to know what all his internal organs weighed. but if he had medical conditions which contributed to his pain and subsequent opioid use, it might behoove the family to release that, to counter the "he was an addict" stories.

I agree. By concealing what seems likely, Prince is going to be remembered in the same vain as Elvis. I don't believe he was an addict myself. Again too many things over the past couple of years point to a terminal illness. I hear a lot of people who knew Prince saying he wasn't an addict, but I hear very few denying the Enquirer story. If the doctor is being investigated and is charged, he will testify as to why he gave Prince such a strong painkiller. A painkiller often used for the terminally ill. Also, it was reported he was bringing test results to Prince. Test results for what? [Edited 6/4/16 18:59pm]

if it was something else, it'll leak, don't you worry. Elvis was said to have died of a heart attack, no way in hell would that have flied. So sealed autopsy and all, people kept digging until they found the truth. So, although the reason he may have died would be a heart attack, technically, everyone knows that it was mainly because his health was ruined by drugs (and diet). With bruce lee, they covered the fact that he'd previously had an allergic reaction to cannibis but the word was really out that that was the cause although, since it wasn't official, all the crazy rumours about murder, death curses, poisonings etc.., still live. they say prince's is sealed for 30 years, eventually, it'll come out before that.

derrick31 said:

cardinal said:

there ought to be a middle ground. i mean, we don't need to know what all his internal organs weighed. but if he had medical conditions which contributed to his pain and subsequent opioid use, it might behoove the family to release that, to counter the "he was an addict" stories.

I agree. By concealing what seems likely, Prince is going to be remembered in the same vain as Elvis. I don't believe he was an addict myself. Again too many things over the past couple of years point to a terminal illness. I hear a lot of people who knew Prince saying he wasn't an addict, but I hear very few denying the Enquirer story. If the doctor is being investigated and is charged, he will testify as to why he gave Prince such a strong painkiller. A painkiller often used for the terminally ill. Also, it was reported he was bringing test results to Prince. Test results for what? [Edited 6/4/16 18:59pm]

I know many of you think that Prince might have had a terminal illness. I don't think he did, but I can respect your opinions. I would just like to mention that he was seeking help from a local doctor for opioid addiction.

"The day before his death, Prince was treated by a local doctor for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction. The physician, Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, a family practitioner, treated Prince for fatigue, anemia and concerns about opiate withdrawal. Schulenberg, however, did not prescribe opioids to Prince, a source has said."

I don't think he was an addict in the way some might think, but I think he may have had a dependency. So, he was trying to get off the opioids. Why would he try to get off pain meds if he needed them to deal with a terminal illness? Also, it is not known yet if he had a valid prescription for Fentanyl and that is perhaps why there is a criminal investigation as to where, why, and how he got ahold of Fentanyl. Given all of this, I can presume that he may have not been given a prescription for Fentanyl. So to say he was taking this powerful drug to treat a terminal illness would be void also, is where my thoughts are led to.

Source: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

TopazGirl said:

I know many of you think that Prince might have had a terminal illness. I don't think he did,

Source: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

I question the terminal illness assumption too -- in part because the death report said: "Other significant conditions: n/a." It seems if he had a terminal illness -- and especially if the drug he ODed on was prescribed to him as part of his treatment -- it would've been mentioned on the report...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PRINCE_NEWS_GUIDE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

The Associated Press has reported a recap of what is known so far in the investigation.

disch said:

1contessa said:

MMJas said:

TopazGirl said:

I don't think he was an addict in the way some might think, but I think he may have had a dependency. So, he was trying to get off the opioids. Why would he try to get off pain meds if he needed them to deal with a terminal illness? Also, it is not known yet if he had a valid prescription for Fentanyl and that is perhaps why there is a criminal investigation as to where, why, and how he got ahold of Fentanyl. Given all of this, I can presume that he may have not been given a prescription for Fentanyl. So to say he was taking this powerful drug to treat a terminal illness would be void also, is where my thoughts are led to.

Source: http://www.startribune.co...381663221/

It's a shame we have so stigmatized words like dependency and addiction that there is a connotation of moral weakness when they're used. I've known lots of people addicted to cigarettes, alcohol, dependent on sugar & caffeine (me ha) weed and rx drugs for pain. eta - They are among my favorite people, many of them very accomplished and with huge hearts.

You could say that a person with a mental illness is dependent on their prescription drugs.

We are all too quick to turn to drugs for an easy fix. (large pharma companies share no small part of the blame with their huge ad campaigns for various drugs) At the same time, there seems to be agreement among the medical community that addiction is a disease.

It's a good thing marijuana is being decriminalized and Pres. Obama is pardoning numerous people imprisoned for possessing small amounts of drugs.

Someone asked if Prince was known to use recreational drugs "back in the day." I thought I read (big caveat) that he said in an interview or was leaked from friends that he used cocaine to perform but he was alarmed by it, did not like it and moved permanently to MN in part to get away from all the drugs that were rampant in SoCal in the 1980s.


It sounds like he made every effort to end dependency.


I do have a question for those who know JW-- They oppose transfusions but it's common practice for a person to donate their own blood in advance for a surgery. Does anyone know if that's against their rules? It would certainly eliminate the typical issues with transfusions.

[Edited 6/5/16 5:05am]

Just watching the BBC coverage of Muhammed Ali's funeral arrangements; his family's eagerness to inform and involve the fans; how open and celebratory the whole thing appears to be, both in terms of clarity as to how the man passed, and embracing people's natural desire to participate and rejoice in all the man gave whilst alive.


It made me feel incredibly sad and, I suppose, sort of cheated by how things have gone down with Prince's passing...Celebrating his life, with little to no official endorsement or enthusiasm (thus far) from his family seems incredibly difficult when there are so many unanswered questions and when we appear to be being kept at arm's length. Forgive me - maybe I am not entitled to feel this way, but I can't help it.

Dibblekins said:

Just watching the BBC coverage of Muhammed Ali's funeral arrangements; his family's eagerness to inform and involve the fans; how open and celebratory the whole thing appears to be, both in terms of clarity as to how the man passed, and embracing people's natural desire to participate and rejoice in all the man gave whilst alive.


It made me feel incredibly sad and, I suppose, sort of cheated by how things have gone down with Prince's passing...Celebrating his life, with little to no official endorsement or enthusiasm (thus far) from his family seems incredibly difficult when there are so many unanswered questions and when we appear to be being kept at arm's length. Forgive me - maybe I am not entitled to feel this way, but I can't help it.

Though I understand what you're saying, I don't think it's a fair comparison. Muhammad Ali lived his life pretty much as an open and engaging book. Prince did not. His family and the state of Minnesota is just following his lead.