PeteSilas said:

prince was smarter than us, he proved it many times, maybe he wanted that stuff out after he died, i can't see him doing all of that just to sit around after he passed. He thought bigger than us. I doubt if every scrap in the vault is a gem but there will be more than enough great footage to keep us interested for a long time (future listeners too, after we're all gone).

Yeah I agree, he was a smart guy, he may have a reason not to have left a will, maybe he didnt care what happened after he died. If he was that concerned wouldnt he have left strict instructions? Especially if he knew he was dying. I think that is what I'd most like to know, if he knew he was dying and when he got sick because that changes things. If he knew he was sick and didnt leave a will, then he probably didnt care what happened after he died.

I have been a fan since I was 17 (Im now 43). I starting posting on the org after seeing him in concert in Sydney and soon stopped posting on the org because of the constant infighting and critisms between fans over how to be a 'proper prince fan'.

I am one of those vultures trying to see as many old videos as I can of Prince in concert in the early 80s. I know I may not get another chance and I never really 'got' his old music until I saw it live and now I realise how amazing it was. I feel so privileged and love him more than ever. It is sad but it is a catharsis. It is a way of remebering him at his best too and not weak and dying and lonely with aids as everyone is saying. Surely he would have wanted people to remember him that way too?

If anything my problem is which videos do I watch before they get taken down incase there is not another chance? I dont want to miss a moment. Im sad I missed so much already and hate that I took him forgranted sometimes.

jtfolden said:

If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

That was exactly my point. Don't get it.

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

Those are pertinent questions you make.
1. True about that Thursday medical appointment. Why did nobody go and pick him up earlier?

2. Him being ill for a while and having no will does not compute for me.

3. Perhaps that was the whole idea, not going to the same doctor?

That article by his personal chef (bless him, the man and his wife really seemed to care for him and were very respectful) made me think that perhaps he died on the 20th.

As for the ilness: it does not necessarily have to be aids. His hip and ankle problems must have been tremendous. He changed his shoes and started using a cane. He must have been in agony. My sister suffers from chronic neck and back pain and her activity levels have came down a lot in the last few years. She's very tired all the time and in constant pain, no matter what position she is in. So yes, perhaps that was enough of an "ilness" to make him dependant on those meds like we now realize he must have been (undestandably so, I've seen my sister suffer tremendously) and to seem not himself to others.

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The article with the chef was very sincere and I think is pivotal to thw time line.

I agree with your point about not going to the same doctor. It is a very dangerous game though.

I am dumbfounded by the lack of will but maybe Prince just did not worry about it? I don't know.

I hope as things are released, these questions I have have some form of an answer.

Lastly, I will say that I do not believe his illness is AIDS. I believe it is fatigue from the chronic pain and possible meds. I truly feel, his body just gave out. Again speculation not rumors.

I do not think he was an addict. I think he use the meds as a last resort. WHich may explain why he "OD".

Thoughts?

Totally agree. When I heard the news, my first thought was that he had collapsed from all the hard work, lack of sleep, coupled with the strain of so many shows and having the flu. Doing two shows on the same day! Bills need to get paid and probably there's more money for his own affairs if there's no band to accompany him. Also, his perfeccionism, there was no wrong he could do, there were hardly any negative reviews for a Prince show, the man was borderline perfect on stage. Being all by himself must have been a two edge sword, both conforting and stressful. Perhaps being alone was exactly what he wanted for various reasons and that ultimately was his downfall. Less people around him means less eyes on him. I'm sure people worried about him and being alone meant he did not have to deal with advice, etc. Don't know if that makes sense to you guys...

Concerning the youtube videos:

I'm a newbie here, as you know. I'm 47 years old and work from home. I've been a Prince follower since 1984, which means he's been a part of my life for 32 years. That's a mightly long time, people. I bought all the albums, some in duplicate. All the movies, all the official live concerts, the lot.
For me, being able to share some of his videos on Facebook has been a way of coping with this tragic loss. I've cried a lot. But I also needed to vent. Truth is since coming here I've posted less videos. We don't know what his wish was regarding his music and videos after his death. I find it strange he had no will, very strange being a control freak like he was (i mean that in the good sense), a man who went through the trouble of having a vault to preserve all his stuff, who fought for his right to his own music, failed to leave a will? He did not have to have an ilness to have the need to write a will, a man in his position could have been assassinated by a fanatic, could have died in an accident for the amount of times he travelled, there's so much that could have happened. Why was he not advised to have one made? I'm starting to think he believed it did not matter really. He was a very spiritual being and maybe there's a lesson to be learned here, even though I personally find it a bit irresponsible because he had a big estate, many fans and there would be a lot to deal with. Like Bowie, he did not want a circus. There was no spectacular funeral worthy of a King. He left as he wished to leave, with no fuss, anonymously almost. Perhaps he just wanted things to happen naturally.
I digress. Am sorry for the rambling.

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nelcp777 said:

nursev said:

Actually I started to notice changes in Princes features about three years ago that may indicate he was ill, but out of professional ethics and love for him I never brought the topic up here.

Read an article on FoxNews that said 911 was called 4 times in last 3 years to Paisley Park for medical reasons:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/04/28/911-was-called-to-princes-estate-for-medical-reasons-4-times-in-last-3-years.html

indeed

nursev said:

nelcp777 said:

Read an article on FoxNews that said 911 was called 4 times in last 3 years to Paisley Park for medical reasons:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/04/28/911-was-called-to-princes-estate-for-medical-reasons-4-times-in-last-3-years.html

indeed

What changes in his features? I agree he looks older and maybe tired in some pics, but that's all. I honestly did not see that. It's even sadder if he was indeed ill on top of everything else.

What bugs me about the hiv story that broke out is how people use it in a demeaning way, like having hiv only happens to bad people? Still this same old mentality, in 2016??? This is both sickening and saddening.

MMJas said:

nursev said:

indeed

What changes in his features? I agree he looks older and maybe tired in some pics, but that's all. I honestly did not see that. It's even sadder if he was indeed ill on top of everything else.

What bugs me about the hiv story that broke out is how people use it in a demeaning way, like having hiv only happens to bad people? Still this same old mentality, in 2016??? This is both sickening and saddening.

You know Prince was always a beautiful artist physically and I do believe that it bothered him to get older/I dont know if he could accept the changes. He was always skinny so that didnt surprise me, but the changes in his face did. People would always complain about him "sucking in his cheeks on here" but he wasn't they were just naturally starting to sink in. His face in general looked more stressed and just not healthy and his skin to me looked more lack luster like the essence that made him Prince was gone. I know people will argue and say it was 57, but there was something else going on there not just normal aging. And it happened quickly like within a span of three, four years.

nursev said:

MMJas said:

What changes in his features? I agree he looks older and maybe tired in some pics, but that's all. I honestly did not see that. It's even sadder if he was indeed ill on top of everything else.

What bugs me about the hiv story that broke out is how people use it in a demeaning way, like having hiv only happens to bad people? Still this same old mentality, in 2016??? This is both sickening and saddening.

You know Prince was always a beautiful artist physically and I do believe that it bothered him to get older/I dont know if he could accept the changes. He was always skinny so that didnt surprise me, but the changes in his face did. People would always complain about him "sucking in his cheeks on here" but he wasn't they were just naturally starting to sink in. His face in general looked more stressed and just not healthy and his skin to me looked more lack luster like the essence that made him Prince was gone. I know people will argue and say it was 57, but there was something else going on there not just normal aging. And it happened quickly like within a span of three, four years.

CNN reported earlier that opiates were found on his body.

OzlemUcucu said:

XxAxX said:

well, i'm wondering why his attorneys aren't doing a better job of squelching things. but, i'm guessing they're on it and are having trouble keeping up.

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my opinion is i think it's pretty disrespectful to "pay tribute" to prince by posting clips that he would have forbidden online.

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but, the majority of casual fans wouldn't really see it this way. they won't really know his quirky the way we all do.

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i think it will all eventually be removed, and in the meantime will lead to an explosion of interest, which will lead to more sales.

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because it's a tribute, immediately following his death, i sort of get it why people are abusing his wishes in such a way. but i don't think it's cool.

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then again, his music has sold out overnight, and people are still wanting to hear it. they can listen on youtube for now

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i see both sides. for this week, i think it's almost okay

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Good points. I already noticed videos are taken down by labels and such. I do believe orgers are amongst utubers. It's very uncool. It's also uncool to supply new members that may be on fb groups and such with bootlegs. They get the freebies and leave the groups. These folks are not fans.

Anyway, for this week, as you say it's almost ok. Next week I will begin reporting all the videos to utube.

You sound incredibly self-important. You don't care if they're fans or not. x_x

jtfolden said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Anyway, for this week, as you say it's almost ok. Next week I will begin reporting all the videos to utube.

Honestly, I find this attitude of fans policing other fans pretty rediculous and uncool as well. Let the record labels and attorney's do the job they're paid to do.

It is not only ridiculous, it is arrogant to override Prince by doing something he could have done (left instructions for) and deliberately chose not to do, as far as we know. And it doesn't show knowledge either, since such requests are only to be filed by the copyright holders.

(edit: or on direct behalf of as a contracted agent)

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I know TMZ digs up dirt on everybody, but they do seem particularly relentless on Prince right now.

My thinking is there is so little they were able to get on him in life, now they're making up for it.

jtfolden said:

If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

It's said that rigor mortis sets in about 2-6 hours after death. Horrible to think about I know.

1contessa said:

jtfolden said:

If... "was already in rigor mortis when officers responded" why would CPR be attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.

It's said that rigor mortis sets in about 2-6 hours after death. Horrible to think about I know.

Yes, that's what I thought.... we just don't know how far into the process he was... If I recall correctly, the chef who dropped off his last meal said in an interview, however, that Prince had not eaten his dinner.

VelvetKittyKat said:

I know TMZ digs up dirt on everybody, but they do seem particularly relentless on Prince right now.

My thinking is there is so little they were able to get on him in life, now they're making up for it.

Aren't they usually right??

Eileen said:

Many of the "news" reports do not make sense from a medical point of view. I'm waiting for the final autopsy results (if we actually get them) before I believe ANYTHING.

He has been looking 'off' lately but he has been going non-stop for 30+ years so I kind of chalked it up to him being nearly 60.

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It would be typical Prince to have his lawyers hold off on coming forward with a will allowing his family members show their true colors and then BAM out comes the will.LOL

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MMJas said:

jds said:

MMJas said:

Concerning the youtube videos:

I'm a newbie here, as you know. I'm 47 years old and work from home. I've been a Prince follower since 1984, which means he's been a part of my life for 32 years. That's a mightly long time, people. I bought all the albums, some in duplicate. All the movies, all the official live concerts, the lot.

This describes me exactly, what a strange coincidence, I also suspect our first names are the same. My sister bought me my first Prince album because she noticed that it was the only music I ever sung along to on the radio. I've bought other music, but nothing else has ever had the impact as Prince. Many times I can remember listening to his albums, and sometimes songs, over and over again. A lot of the music grew on me over time, rather than being instantly great, but that seems to be the way the best music is. Maybe in a few years some of his latest albums will be that way too?

TMZ are making up for lost time. Prince never gave them any scandals to feast on in life, so they are trying to tarnish his name after his death. Sad bastards.

CNN reported there were opiates (spelling?) found on his body. Really? Wow, that's some amazing investigative journalism right there! The man suffered immensely from hip pain, probably even ankle and feet problems, so what did they expect to find, skittles???!!!

Many people take Xanax and strong pain relief medicine, so what? Really, it only shows that Prince was a human being that felt physical pain and anxiety/stress like everyone else. Trying to make stories where there are none. I get it, it sells far more than if they were to speculate that he accidentally took too much medicine on account of already being so dependant on them. Not so interesting, right? Besides, it would, once again, bring to the attention of the whole world that America uses too much strong pain relief medicine and that that is a big problem that needs to be addressed. Big pharma and all that.
Honestly, I have a lot of respect for that xeriff. The guy not only looked almost in tears but also stated that Prince was a very private person and that they would treat this whole thing respecting his privacy.

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At this point there are coming news articles of what Prince may have died of several times a day. Reading some of the rumors are just heart-aching. For me I will wait until the final results of the autopsy is ready. In the meantime I just play his music and watch his videos, and just appreciate what he gave us.

Hmm. If there was no will, or anything similar, how were they able to tell Prince wanted his body to be cremated?

I don't live in the US, so I'm not familiar with how such things are handled over there.

novabrkr said:

Hmm. If there was no will, or anything similar, how were they able to tell Prince wanted his body to be cremated?

I don't live in the US, so I'm not familiar with how such things are handled over there.

If specific instructions are not prearranged or left in writing, the next of kin decides. They may decide based on what they know the person wanted or probably wanted, or they can follow their own personal preference.

If there is no next of kin, the decision is made per a state law or regulation.

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Eileen said:

novabrkr said:

Hmm. If there was no will, or anything similar, how were they able to tell Prince wanted his body to be cremated?

I don't live in the US, so I'm not familiar with how such things are handled over there.

If specific instructions are not prearranged or left in writing, the next of kin decides. They may decide based on what they know the person wanted or probably wanted, or they can follow their own personal preference.

If there is no next of kin, the decision is made per a state law or regulation.

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Thanks.

Kind of makes me think his family members (Tyka?) wanted to ensure his body would not have to go through a lot of testing if the first round isn't conclusive. I wouldn't be surprised if no certainty would be obtained.

novabrkr said:

Kind of makes me think his family members (Tyka?) wanted to ensure his body would not have to go through a lot of testing if the first round isn't conclusive. I wouldn't be surprised if no certainty would be obtained.

It's just as likely though that they knew his wishes, esp. since so many family members had passed away in recent years. Or even that they wanted to avoid all the issues and expenses that go with a gravesite that would defacto be a tourist attraction.

rap said:

MMJas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Why accidental overdose? If he had accidentally overdosed on a drug six days earlier, then why would he do so again? Isn't willful overdose more likely, if you consider that most people who are very ill prefer to have company or at least have someone on call.

In an elevator? Why not in bed? In the studio? Anywhere more confortable. A lot of people said he did not use the elevator much. If he did, indeed, decide to end his own life, so soon after that incident on the plane... then he tried it on the plane as well. It's the only conclusion, right?

That is my conclusion. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.

BeauGurl said:

kapo74 said:

For official updates you can follow this twitter feed...

https://twitter.com/MidwestMedExam

Thank you

Tons of BS floating out there.

It appears to be a smearing of Prince taking effect. Sheila E tried to stem the effects by telling the world about his hip/knee/and ankle problems.