lwr001 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

As a Prince fan no matter what caused his death will not change how I see Prince. Usually homosexuals are more likely to be infected by Aids which does not apply to Prince unless he was bisexual which is possible. I am not sure if there is law that permits full autopsy report to be made official due to media interest. Maybe someone in Mpls can answer that? I really would like to know.

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I've seen some reports that state that Prince family has lobbied the ME's office so that the offical cause will be natural causes due to heart stoppage (shrugs)

I hope so. I am praying this will be kept secret. This is exactly what Prince would have wanted.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/authorities-probe-drugs-found-on-prince-at-time-of-death-1461872272

Aren't TMZ almost always right??

in terms of privacy, the coroner and family cannot possibly do any worse than the vile coroner who ordered an autopsy on liberace right as they were in the process of burying him and saying he died of, i forget what, a heart attack or something. the coroner had the body procurred and proceeded to come up with a report which seemed to seek sensationalism, but i'd imagine it was all true.

Wait the Enquirer says everybody who dies has aids- even David Bowie

http://www.nationalenquir...vid-bowie/

homesquid said:

lwr001 said:

the whole save your prayers for a couple of days Look at his appearance at the 2014 grammy awards prsent SOY to Gyote and look at the appearance since..a preciptious drop in weight., look etc

Good points. I mean it doesn't REALLY matter whether he died from AIDS or choked to death on a bowl of Cap'n Crunch but how can any of us not want to know the truth? Is it really that shameful these days? Does anyone think Freddie Mercury was any less awesome because of how he died?

Of course not! We are just so heartbroken and trying to understand and figure out what hapened to Prince at such young age.

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I really believe he knew it was coming and that he was sick. Was the piano and a microphone tour an excuse to sit down through most of the concert becuase he was too frail to do it standing up?

However I find it hard to believe he OD'd. I would if it was anyone else but surely someone who refuses a hip operation on religious grounds would not take their own life for exactly the same reason.

Id just like to know because I feel it will help me gain closure. I hate to be left wandering about rumours I'd rather just know the truth even if it is sad. I would never judge him and will love him whatever happened though.

Just a random thought here.

What if Prince had leukemia?

This would explain the immune issue and not being able to shake off the flu or a cold.

I am pretty sure, given his faith, that he could not have a bone marrow transplant given it is very similar to a blood transfusion, and in fact contains blood. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

I don't want to speculate, but just feel like its a real possibility.

Leukemia can be painful and require pain medication. I still say it was not an OD, whether he had pain meds in the house or even in his system.

Also, I do not think leukemia would be straightforward in an autopsy. I think it would take labs to be able to determine this.

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OzlemUcucu said:

homesquid said:

I hate to say it but this AIDS thing could have some truth. Is it even possible legally to cover up something like this? It sure would explain a lot and the thing that disturbs me is they were right about Charlie Sheen

As a Prince fan no matter what caused his death will not change how I see Prince. Usually homosexuals are more likely to be infected by Aids which does not apply to Prince unless he was bisexual which is possible. I am not sure if there is law that permits full autopsy report to be made official due to media interest. Maybe someone in Mpls can answer that? I really would like to know.

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The law requires that HIV status be reported only to certain public health authorities and then to spouses or sexual partners (partner notification laws). Otherwise HIV status is protected, even after death.

fortuneandserendipity said:

I suspect it was deep vein thrombosis. He was taking painkillers for his knees, hips all the time, not resting enough by all accounts and doing a lot of flying past couple of years, which are all risk factors. For me this explanation is easier to deal with than anything in the area of OD'ing or contracting aids. His girlfriend seems to know as do his closest acquaintances, so she's intimated, but they're remaining quiet.

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I don't want it to be a DVT or pulmonary embolism. I've lived with both for years and they are painful. Not a pain I would want anyone to experience.

OzlemUcucu said:

homesquid said:

I hate to say it but this AIDS thing could have some truth. Is it even possible legally to cover up something like this? It sure would explain a lot and the thing that disturbs me is they were right about Charlie Sheen

As a Prince fan no matter what caused his death will not change how I see Prince. Usually homosexuals are more likely to be infected by Aids which does not apply to Prince unless he was bisexual which is possible. I am not sure if there is law that permits full autopsy report to be made official due to media interest. Maybe someone in Mpls can answer that? I really would like to know.

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Heterosexuals get infected with HIV and die of AIDS too.

h4rm0ny said:

OzlemUcucu said:

As a Prince fan no matter what caused his death will not change how I see Prince. Usually homosexuals are more likely to be infected by Aids which does not apply to Prince unless he was bisexual which is possible. I am not sure if there is law that permits full autopsy report to be made official due to media interest. Maybe someone in Mpls can answer that? I really would like to know.

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Heterosexuals get infected with HIV and die of AIDS too.

Thank you.

Simply put, I just wish he didn't suffer. That's what's really hard to come to terms with, the realization that he either had a serious ilness and was suffering indeed, in silence, or that he was in so much physical pain that he accidently took too much medication, which is possibly what really happened.

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MMJas said:

Simply put, I just wish he didn't suffer. That's what's really hard to come to terms with, the realization that he either had a serious ilness and was suffering indeed, in silence, or that he was in so much physical pain that he accidently took too much medication, which is possibly what really happened.

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Just read this article:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/29/prince-final-days-death-percocet

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

Simply put, I just wish he didn't suffer. That's what's really hard to come to terms with, the realization that he either had a serious ilness and was suffering indeed, in silence, or that he was in so much physical pain that he accidently took too much medication, which is possibly what really happened.

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Just read this article:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/29/prince-final-days-death-percocet

Thank you.

MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

Just read this article:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/29/prince-final-days-death-percocet

Thank you.

The article did not seem to be as negative as the others I have read. It seemed unbiased and not slandering. In addition, it seemed to sum up information pretty well, that is why I posted the link.

I am slightly confused on some issues in the article. I hope will the final results are released, those issues will be clarified.

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

Thank you.

The article did not seem to be as negative as the others I have read. It seemed unbiased and not slandering. In addition, it seemed to sum up information pretty well, that is why I posted the link.

I am slightly confused on some issues in the article. I hope will the final results are released, those issues will be clarified.

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

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MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

The article did not seem to be as negative as the others I have read. It seemed unbiased and not slandering. In addition, it seemed to sum up information pretty well, that is why I posted the link.

I am slightly confused on some issues in the article. I hope will the final results are released, those issues will be clarified.

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

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I agree with a lot of your points. I miss writing like this. Fair, objective and respectful.

I believe Prince may have been ill for some time (my opinion). I think the guy at the pharmicist was extremely respectful.

I am curious about a couple of things;

1. If Prince had an appointment on Thursday (the one that he missed and caused alarm), how was he supposed to travel? Was a driver to pick him up or would he drive himself? The reason I ask, if he was supposed to use a driver, why was the concern not sooner? I hope this makes sense.

2. If Prince had been ill, then the comments by other associates that Prince thought he would live longer (therefore no need to do a will) seems contradictory to what we have learned.

3. The hospital visit on Weds raises eyebrows. It appears Prince did not have a stable general physician. Speculating, Prince has mulitple doctors seeing him in, let's say 1 month span for arguements sake, and diangnosing him and possibly prescribing meds for him. This seems to cultivate to what we are now mourning. Again speculation.

I also read an interesting article from Prince's chef. In paraphasing, the chef said that for the last few months, Prince had not been his normal energetic self. What I found interesting was, according to the chef, that the last meal that was made Weds night, Prince instructed him to leave it on the counter (paraphasing). The meal had never been touched.

This seems to support the articles time line in discovery and accidental overdose or negative reaction to the meds.

MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

The article did not seem to be as negative as the others I have read. It seemed unbiased and not slandering. In addition, it seemed to sum up information pretty well, that is why I posted the link.

I am slightly confused on some issues in the article. I hope will the final results are released, those issues will be clarified.

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

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Why accidental overdose? If he had accidentally overdosed on a drug six days earlier, then why would he do so again? Isn't willful overdose more likely, if you consider that most people who are very ill prefer to have company or at least have someone on call.

prittypriss said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I suspect it was deep vein thrombosis. He was taking painkillers for his knees, hips all the time, not resting enough by all accounts and doing a lot of flying past couple of years, which are all risk factors. For me this explanation is easier to deal with than anything in the area of OD'ing or contracting aids. His girlfriend seems to know as do his closest acquaintances, so she's intimated, but they're remaining quiet.

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I don't want it to be a DVT or pulmonary embolism. I've lived with both for years and they are painful. Not a pain I would want anyone to experience.

But from a fan's point of view, wouldn't it make it easier to deal with, knowing that it wasn't self-inflicted?

see below

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MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

The article did not seem to be as negative as the others I have read. It seemed unbiased and not slandering. In addition, it seemed to sum up information pretty well, that is why I posted the link.

I am slightly confused on some issues in the article. I hope will the final results are released, those issues will be clarified.

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

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You would think they could their dates right Tuesday was the 19th not the 18th And Wednesday was the 20th not the 19th, geez!

fortuneandserendipity said:

MMJas said:

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

[Edited 4/29/16 9:51am]

Why accidental overdose? If he had accidentally overdosed on a drug six days earlier, then why would he do so again? Isn't willful overdose more likely, if you consider that most people who are very ill prefer to have company or at least have someone on call.

In an elevator? Why not in bed? In the studio? Anywhere more confortable. A lot of people said he did not use the elevator much. If he did, indeed, decide to end his own life, so soon after that incident on the plane... then he tried it on the plane as well. It's the only conclusion, right?

Astasheiks said:

MMJas said:

I think it's really well written. Tasteful, informative and not speculating. The fact that that guy saw Prince at the pharmacist and declined to say whether Prince looked ill or not says a lot about his character, don't you think? So glad there are still people like that in the world.

The article seems to assume that he had, indeed, a serious ilness, without mentioning it but conveying its seriousness nonetheless. Don't you just wish all journalists wrote like that?

But yes, accidental overdose.

[Edited 4/29/16 9:51am]

You would think they could their dates right Tuesday was the 19th not the 18th And Wednesday was the 20th not the 19th, geez!

Anyone can make a mistake. It's the contents of the article that counts, really.

MMJas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Why accidental overdose? If he had accidentally overdosed on a drug six days earlier, then why would he do so again? Isn't willful overdose more likely, if you consider that most people who are very ill prefer to have company or at least have someone on call.

In an elevator? Why not in bed? In the studio? Anywhere more confortable. A lot of people said he did not use the elevator much. If he did, indeed, decide to end his own life, so soon after that incident on the plane... then he tried it on the plane as well. It's the only conclusion, right?

I can only speculate, I am not sure Prince intended to end his own life. As far as we know, he could of taken meds on the plane and had a bad reaction. The only people who can verify that were the ones on the plane. As for Prince's last night, he could have taken meds and his body just shut down, or, not taken meds, and his body shut down. I do not know if he used the elevator or not. I do not know Prince, nor have met him.

Maybe, speculation again, Prince felt ill or hungry, or wanted to go downstairs in general, was a little weak, and took the elevator as opposed to the stairs.

nelcp777 said:

MMJas said:

In an elevator? Why not in bed? In the studio? Anywhere more confortable. A lot of people said he did not use the elevator much. If he did, indeed, decide to end his own life, so soon after that incident on the plane... then he tried it on the plane as well. It's the only conclusion, right?

I can only speculate, I am not sure Prince intended to end his own life. As far as we know, he could of taken meds on the plane and had a bad reaction. The only people who can verify that were the ones on the plane. As for Prince's last night, he could have taken meds and his body just shut down, or, not taken meds, and his body shut down. I do not know if he used the elevator or not. I do not know Prince, nor have met him.

Maybe, speculation again, Prince felt ill or hungry, or wanted to go downstairs in general, was a little weak, and took the elevator as opposed to the stairs.

Of course. I too find it very hard to believe he would end his life. But if he OD'd on the plane, why was that not a big enough scare? Not only on his part, but on anyone elses.
Also, according to that article, he was already dead when they found him, so why the reports of the paramedics doing CPR? I don't get it.
Like you say, his body probably shut down. That's what I'm inclined to think. Shut down from physical pain and too much medication to try to numb it.

MMJas said:

nelcp777 said:

I can only speculate, I am not sure Prince intended to end his own life. As far as we know, he could of taken meds on the plane and had a bad reaction. The only people who can verify that were the ones on the plane. As for Prince's last night, he could have taken meds and his body just shut down, or, not taken meds, and his body shut down. I do not know if he used the elevator or not. I do not know Prince, nor have met him.

Maybe, speculation again, Prince felt ill or hungry, or wanted to go downstairs in general, was a little weak, and took the elevator as opposed to the stairs.

Of course. I too find it very hard to believe he would end his life. But if he OD'd on the plane, why was that not a big enough scare? Not only on his part, but on anyone elses.
Also, according to that article, he was already dead when they found him, so why the reports of the paramedics doing CPR? I don't get it.
Like you say, his body probably shut down. That's what I'm inclined to think. Shut down from physical pain and too much medication to try to numb it.

That is another issue that I am confused about. The week before we have the plane scare. So Prince is just left unchecked (so to speak)?

Perhaps this is why Prince did not want anyone around? Maybe he realized he was alone from that incident? He could have told his staff not to worry, and being accustomed to not challenging him, they did so. Or maybe, with his strong faith, he just accepted if things happened, so be it.

As far as the CPR issue, maybe EMS performed very limited and basic CPR services to ensure all medical services were issued for liablity reasons. Not trying to sound cold hearted or disrespectful.

Again, pure speculation and discussion. It seems there are a lot of contridictions in things. Quite frustrating at times.

Elvis and Bruce Lee, both Icons, had warnings of the drugs they were ingesting, both almost dying, in elvis' case, multiple times. It didn't stop them from from using. Prince never showed signs of being out of it, at least not publicly. they are saying that many calls were made to PP but how could that be kept quiet?