warning2all said:

He will never sell albums again in quantities. It's over. He's yesterday's news. It's not for a lack of talent. It's because of he comes off as a complete jerk. Noone wants to support a jerk. He plays too many games, doesn't seem to like his fans, makes his music too hard to find, dresses like a buffoon, his "cool" attitude went out of style a long time ago, embarrasses himself regularly, makes his catalog inaccessible, doesn't use social media to his benefit, seems to enjoy doing the opposite of what people want or expect to the point that he is merely an artist who is just plain unpopular. He owes everything to his past. At this point he could release his greatest album- something that would make "Purple Rain" sound like MPLSound and it wouldn'tattract flies. Even if he died, I don't think you'd see sustained interest in his catalog like you would Michael Jackson, or Elvis Presley. Anyways, have a great day

There's a lot of truth to this but I wouldn't want it any other way except wish that he make his music more accessible to the masses.

Suffering and unhappiness are the reason his best/my favorite songs were composed.

Guitarhero said:

databank said:

Well for one thing I see orgers haven't given-up in the weekly Prince is over and done thread.

Sad

And very disconnected from reality, too.

It would not be the org without at least one or two weekly threads of Prince is done and over.

That is the norm

Pentacle said:

ilo said:

Last year:

Prince lands two concurrent chart-topping debuts as Art Official Age crowns Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, while Prince & 3rdEyeGirl's Plectrumelectrum awards the musician his first No. 1 on Top Rock Albums.

Art Official Age arrives with 51,000 copies sold in the week ending Oct. 5 (according to Nielsen SoundScan), logging Prince his sixth No. 1 on the list, and first in five years.

The rock-driven Plectrumelectrum debuts on at No. 1 Top Rock Albums with 23,000 copies sold.

The dual-chart showing is the first time an artist has posted two different No. 1 titles on both lists in the eight-year history of the Top Rock Albums chart.

He's fine.

[Edited 11/9/15 7:11am]

He can literally do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, where ever he wants. If that's not the definition of "greatest career ever" then I don't know what is.

^ Got to agree.

I don't see him trying hard for the charts, so I fail to see any desperation.

in fact this thread is all about the OP's constant need for drawing negative attention and has nothing to do with prince's career.

XxAxX said:

in fact this thread is all about the OP's constant need for drawing negative attention and has nothing to do with prince's career.

Ok... I agree to the point that this thread was bad timing..

Who would know Prince was about to tour my country this year before christmas (I didn't no a thing about it).

Still Prince's career releasing studio albums is dead, don't be mad at me for telling.. thats just a fact...

Unfortunately, I blame Prince for not going all in with musicvideos, promotion in general.

Maybe the fanbase would increase in case he did, and his career would seem more healthy again...

Live giving concerts: Prince will be a living legend til he dies in 30-40 years time..

Releasing albums: Prince is in a crisis, I can't see it otherwise...

RodeoSchro said:

He can literally do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, where ever he wants. If that's not the definition of "greatest career ever" then I don't know what is.

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Untrue. His back catalogue is locked up @ Warners, for one.

thedance said:

Still Prince's career releasing studio albums is dead, don't be mad at me for telling.. thats just a fact...

Yup. It's obviously a subjective thing, but to me although he's still an amazing live act, but he's not released a great album for a long time now. Not even one I could honestly call good.

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

He can literally do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, where ever he wants. If that's not the definition of "greatest career ever" then I don't know what is.

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Untrue. His back catalogue is locked up @ Warners, for one.

Might be. But he can still do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, where ever he wants.

Aerogram said:

warning2all said:

He will never sell albums again in quantities. It's over. He's yesterday's news. It's not for a lack of talent. It's because of he comes off as a complete jerk. Noone wants to support a jerk. He plays too many games, doesn't seem to like his fans, makes his music too hard to find, dresses like a buffoon, his "cool" attitude went out of style a long time ago, embarrasses himself regularly, makes his catalog inaccessible, doesn't use social media to his benefit, seems to enjoy doing the opposite of what people want or expect to the point that he is merely an artist who is just plain unpopular. He owes everything to his past. At this point he could release his greatest album- something that would make "Purple Rain" sound like MPLSound and it wouldn'tattract flies. Even if he died, I don't think you'd see sustained interest in his catalog like you would Michael Jackson, or Elvis Presley. Anyways, have a great day

Your ancestors, the Negaderthals, also believed circa 2000 that Prince was over and done. After all, he had just pissed off Clive Davis, and was about to release a heavily religious album called The Raincow Children. He would tour minuscule venues compared to the arena he used to fill. All was lost, they said.

Then came 2004.

Oftentimes, people who have a flat view of life think they are realists. They believe that since wondrous things are not happening, for sure nothing great will happen again. So they are perpetual prophets of doom, certain their "common" wisdom is likely the truth.

Doomsayers think they are down to earth but in reality they are just as predictable and subjective as those super-optimistic folks who think the greatest thing will happen next.

I think I'll dare believe the future is a little better than your bitter tea leaves reading would have you believe.

Have a great day!

Has anyone cited an example of Prince doing something that seemed desperate?

The last time he made anything like a move for the charts was Musicology. Around the time of RAVE it was clear he was willing to try almost anything to get a hit song.

These days I see none of that. He doesn't seem concerned with the charts at all. "Singles" are just songs he puts online (often for free). I'm sure in the back of his mind he'd secretly love another #1 song but when was the last time Stevie Wonder, or Davie Bowie had a #1 song?

Prince had a sweet deal with Tidal, fans complained saying they wanted a CD. Prince had to start re-negotiating the "exclusive" part of his deal, a CD was rushed out and nobody bought it. Proving once again the worst thing Prince does is pander to fans.

The only possible vector I can see as a sign of "desperation" on Prince's part is the fact he now seems ready to put out a PR remaster. But given so many fans aren't prepared to move on from 1984... it has to happen.

Noodled24 said:

Has anyone cited an example of Prince doing something that seemed desperate?

The last time he made anything like a move for the charts was Musicology. Around the time of RAVE it was clear he was willing to try almost anything to get a hit song.

These days I see none of that. He doesn't seem concerned with the charts at all. "Singles" are just songs he puts online (often for free). I'm sure in the back of his mind he'd secretly love another #1 song but when was the last time Stevie Wonder, or Davie Bowie had a #1 song?

Prince had a sweet deal with Tidal, fans complained saying they wanted a CD. Prince had to start re-negotiating the "exclusive" part of his deal, a CD was rushed out and nobody bought it. Proving once again the worst thing Prince does is pander to fans.

The only possible vector I can see as a sign of "desperation" on Prince's part is the fact he now seems ready to put out a PR remaster. But given so many fans aren't prepared to move on from 1984... it has to happen.

Even if/when he does release the remaster, 'fans' here will hate it & cite that it's not enough or it wasn't mastered properly & continue their b!tchfest about what should have been.

nosajd said:

Noodled24 said:

Has anyone cited an example of Prince doing something that seemed desperate?

The last time he made anything like a move for the charts was Musicology. Around the time of RAVE it was clear he was willing to try almost anything to get a hit song.

These days I see none of that. He doesn't seem concerned with the charts at all. "Singles" are just songs he puts online (often for free). I'm sure in the back of his mind he'd secretly love another #1 song but when was the last time Stevie Wonder, or Davie Bowie had a #1 song?

Prince had a sweet deal with Tidal, fans complained saying they wanted a CD. Prince had to start re-negotiating the "exclusive" part of his deal, a CD was rushed out and nobody bought it. Proving once again the worst thing Prince does is pander to fans.

The only possible vector I can see as a sign of "desperation" on Prince's part is the fact he now seems ready to put out a PR remaster. But given so many fans aren't prepared to move on from 1984... it has to happen.

Even if/when he does release the remaster, 'fans' here will hate it & cite that it's not enough or it wasn't mastered properly & continue their b!tchfest about what should have been.

So am not the only one who thinks some people here are waiting for the remaster of PR to come so they have another excuse to shit on Prince, hoping it sounds crappie and saying the original sounds better.

[Edited 11/9/15 13:03pm]

So now its suddenly a "bad" thing for a Prince fan to wish for the Purple Rain 2cd remaster...

You guys are hilarious......

I would love to have that 2cd, imo you are talking complete nonsense......

Purple Rain was his best album back then, but no-no the "elite" don't want that, omg you are silly if thats your true opinion...

No offense sorry, but com'on give us a break..... be reasonable, right?

thedance said:

Noodled24 said:

The only possible vector I can see as a sign of "desperation" on Prince's part is the fact he now seems ready to put out a PR remaster. But given so many fans aren't prepared to move on from 1984... it has to happen.

"Desperation"? No,desperation would be Prince doing a song with Jay Z.,or Prince doing a song with Beyonce.Remastering one of his classic albums (and adding bonus material)is NOT a sign of him being "desperate".That album is part of his legacy....what's the harm in celebrating it?

Lianachan said:

thedance said:

So now its suddenly a "bad" thing for a Prince fan to wish for the Purple Rain 2cd remaster...

You guys are hilarious......

I would love to have that 2cd, imo you are talking complete nonsense......

Purple Rain was his best album back then, but no-no the "elite" don't want that, omg you are silly if thats your true opinion...

No offense sorry, but com'on give us a break..... be reasonable, right?

Exactly this. I'm astonished at the arseholery of some posters. We were told a Purple Rain remaster was on the way, it was not unreasonable then to look forward to that and it is not unreasonable now to want it to finally appear.

Exactly.The Purple Rain remaster was promised to us,and we're expecting it.We're excited about it.But now that Prince is dragging his heels with it,some fans are trying to downplay the project,and act like it's not really important anyway....lol....some of y'all are hilarious

Noodled24 said:

Has anyone cited an example of Prince doing something that seemed desperate?

The last time he made anything like a move for the charts was Musicology. Around the time of RAVE it was clear he was willing to try almost anything to get a hit song.

These days I see none of that. He doesn't seem concerned with the charts at all. "Singles" are just songs he puts online (often for free). I'm sure in the back of his mind he'd secretly love another #1 song but when was the last time Stevie Wonder, or Davie Bowie had a #1 song?

Prince had a sweet deal with Tidal, fans complained saying they wanted a CD. Prince had to start re-negotiating the "exclusive" part of his deal, a CD was rushed out and nobody bought it. Proving once again the worst thing Prince does is pander to fans.

The only possible vector I can see as a sign of "desperation" on Prince's part is the fact he now seems ready to put out a PR remaster. But given so many fans aren't prepared to move on from 1984... it has to happen.

No, Prince didn't "renegotiate" his deal with TIDAL, nor was the CD "rushed" out. The same week as the initial announcement of the TIDAL deal, Prince said to reporters at the NABJ gathering he had at Paisley Park that a physical release was coming, people just ignored him (also the billboard TIDAL put up in Times Square mentioned the physical release date alongside the streaming premiere date).

http://www.startribune.co...321167791/

Aerogram said:

warning2all said:

He will never sell albums again in quantities. It's over. He's yesterday's news. It's not for a lack of talent. It's because of he comes off as a complete jerk. Noone wants to support a jerk. He plays too many games, doesn't seem to like his fans, makes his music too hard to find, dresses like a buffoon, his "cool" attitude went out of style a long time ago, embarrasses himself regularly, makes his catalog inaccessible, doesn't use social media to his benefit, seems to enjoy doing the opposite of what people want or expect to the point that he is merely an artist who is just plain unpopular. He owes everything to his past. At this point he could release his greatest album- something that would make "Purple Rain" sound like MPLSound and it wouldn'tattract flies. Even if he died, I don't think you'd see sustained interest in his catalog like you would Michael Jackson, or Elvis Presley. Anyways, have a great day

Your ancestors, the Negaderthals, also believed circa 2000 that Prince was over and done. After all, he had just pissed off Clive Davis, and was about to release a heavily religious album called The Raincow Children. He would tour minuscule venues compared to the arena he used to fill. All was lost, they said.

Then came 2004.

Oftentimes, people who have a flat view of life think they are realists. They believe that since wondrous things are not happening, for sure nothing great will happen again. So they are perpetual prophets of doom, certain their "common" wisdom is likely the truth.

Doomsayers think they are down to earth but in reality they are just as predictable and subjective as those super-optimistic folks who think the greatest thing will happen next.

I think I'll dare believe the future is a little better than your bitter tea leaves reading would have you believe.

Have a great day!

Only thing that happend in 2004 was that Prince actually toured and acted like a professional for a while anyway. It didn't take long though before he was twice sued, evicted from his home, behind on taxes... I mean sheesh! Musicology flopped, even after he forced it's purchase on ticketbuyers coming to see him play a greatest hits tour. He ended up with ZERO hits even he was omnipresent in the media like never before. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2004 BESIDES A PROFESSIONALLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED TOUR?????

funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

Your ancestors, the Negaderthals, also believed circa 2000 that Prince was over and done. After all, he had just pissed off Clive Davis, and was about to release a heavily religious album called The Raincow Children. He would tour minuscule venues compared to the arena he used to fill. All was lost, they said.

Then came 2004.

Oftentimes, people who have a flat view of life think they are realists. They believe that since wondrous things are not happening, for sure nothing great will happen again. So they are perpetual prophets of doom, certain their "common" wisdom is likely the truth.

Doomsayers think they are down to earth but in reality they are just as predictable and subjective as those super-optimistic folks who think the greatest thing will happen next.

I think I'll dare believe the future is a little better than your bitter tea leaves reading would have you believe.

Have a great day!

Only thing that happend in 2004 was that Prince actually toured and acted like a professional for a while anyway. It didn't take long though before he was twice sued, evicted from his home, behind on taxes... I mean sheesh! Musicology flopped, even after he forced it's purchase on ticketbuyers coming to see him play a greatest hits tour. He ended up with ZERO hits even he was omnipresent in the media like never before. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2004 BESIDES A PROFESSIONALLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED TOUR?????

maybe just maybe Prince gives not one flying fck about record sales....he's smart enough to get paid upfront. you get an advance. make product. deliver product. move on to the next. easy peasy. sales after that are gravy, not dinner. ever think of that? no, probably not. the sales literally don't matter after the album is delivered. do. not. matter.

this reminds me of all the BS i deal with with people in my biz that watch my career, and have all lkinds of stupid bs to say about it when they have zero clue as to how i've set the money up on the back end, SO I DONT HAVE OT BE CONCERNED WITH HOW EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT ...


i ran my studio for YEARS on 10 regular clients. 10 people paying up front. thats IT. everything after that was GRAVY, NOT DINNER. so my peers come take a class, maybe the room is full, maybe it isnt ....they all run out saying all the same ish people saying about prince, meanwhile i'm loving life and doing exactly wtf i want to, and not worried about a damn thing.

your version of what the business should look like and prince's are very different, if he didnt know what he was doing he wouldnt have been able to exist this long in this manner. its not hand to mouth, its not desperate, it's not unsuccessful. exactly HIS WAY. and it funds what he wants to do - so not only does it work, but it works successfully!

he's run his business differently for at least 20 years. he's not playingthe game everyone else is, when will you understand that?

SoulAlive said:

thedance said:

Well Prince can fill a stadium and play live no problem...


Talking albums though... Prince's career is running badly.

I don't have the figures for Art Official Age and Hit N Run.



But..... Prince is selling zero copies, afaik...


Can it get "any worse"?

Is he desperate, or does he have a plan.....?


Take a guess, what do you think will happen in the near future, has he given up..

[Edited 11/8/15 4:36am]

No I don't think Prince is desperate. I think he truely doesn't care. He makes the music for himself and I think he is genuinely trying hard to make his fans happy with all of the free music he is giving us and internet pressence pretty much just for us. He doesn't have to do anything at all but he has given us ALOT over the past two years. I think its his die hard fans who are desperate. For some reason they want him to be big like he used to be. I don't know why honestly. I would rather have heavy music output that noone but us knows about rather than one big album and promotion per year. I don't care if it is Purple Rain type quality or not. New music is new music. I enjoy getting it. HE will have stuff I like and stuff I don't. The thing I like is that he is putting it out there whether we like it or not. Its a fun time for me being a Prince fan. ITs too bad most of the fans here don't appreciate it. They seem like they would rather him just retire and not release anything. As soon as he does that though they will complain that he is not releasing anything. To me its the fans that are desperate, not Prince

trax said:

thedance said:

Well Prince can fill a stadium and play live no problem...


Talking albums though... Prince's career is running badly.

I don't have the figures for Art Official Age and Hit N Run.



But..... Prince is selling zero copies, afaik...


Can it get "any worse"?

Is he desperate, or does he have a plan.....?


Take a guess, what do you think will happen in the near future, has he given up..

[Edited 11/8/15 4:36am]

No I don't think Prince is desperate. I think he truely doesn't care. He makes the music for himself and I think he is genuinely trying hard to make his fans happy with all of the free music he is giving us and internet pressence pretty much just for us. He doesn't have to do anything at all but he has given us ALOT over the past two years. I think its his die hard fans who are desperate. For some reason they want him to be big like he used to be. I don't know why honestly. I would rather have heavy music output that noone but us knows about rather than one big album and promotion per year. I don't care if it is Purple Rain type quality or not. New music is new music. I enjoy getting it. HE will have stuff I like and stuff I don't. The thing I like is that he is putting it out there whether we like it or not. Its a fun time for me being a Prince fan. ITs too bad most of the fans here don't appreciate it. They seem like they would rather him just retire and not release anything. As soon as he does that though they will complain that he is not releasing anything. To me its the fans that are desperate, not Prince

Agreed. Some of these fans can't stand that Prince isn't the center of the music universe. So Prince doesn't sell a lot of records - who cares? We get new music and we get bootlegs and we get live performances. The glass is most definitely half full.

pdiddy2011 said:

terrig said:

funksterr said:

Only thing that happend in 2004 was that Prince actually toured and acted like a professional for a while anyway. It didn't take long though before he was twice sued, evicted from his home, behind on taxes... I mean sheesh! Musicology flopped, even after he forced it's purchase on ticketbuyers coming to see him play a greatest hits tour. He ended up with ZERO hits even he was omnipresent in the media like never before. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2004 BESIDES A PROFESSIONALLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED TOUR?????

maybe just maybe Prince gives not one flying fck about record sales....he's smart enough to get paid upfront. you get an advance. make product. deliver product. move on to the next. easy peasy. sales after that are gravy, not dinner. ever think of that? no, probably not. the sales literally don't matter after the album is delivered. do. not. matter.

this reminds me of all the BS i deal with with people in my biz that watch my career, and have all lkinds of stupid bs to say about it when they have zero clue as to how i've set the money up on the back end, SO I DONT HAVE OT BE CONCERNED WITH HOW EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT ...


i ran my studio for YEARS on 10 regular clients. 10 people paying up front. thats IT. everything after that was GRAVY, NOT DINNER. so my peers come take a class, maybe the room is full, maybe it isnt ....they all run out saying all the same ish people saying about prince, meanwhile i'm loving life and doing exactly wtf i want to, and not worried about a damn thing.

your version of what the business should look like and prince's are very different, if he didnt know what he was doing he wouldnt have been able to exist this long in this manner. its not hand to mouth, its not desperate, it's not unsuccessful. exactly HIS WAY. and it funds what he wants to do - so not only does it work, but it works successfully!

he's run his business differently for at least 20 years. he's not playingthe game everyone else is, when will you understand that?

You IMAGINE that Prince doesn't care about record sales because you don't. Prince has a twenty year history of bitching publicly about record sales and airplay. My point is that 2004 was a media comeback, not a musical comeback, even though he had a megaton of hype and goodwill within the indutry to drive the singles from Musicology.