QueenofPurplePalace said:

I wonder if you guys ever stop the petty bitching and enjoy him for what he is. .....a musician. Before the fame, fortune, sales, acolades....he is musician.

He is a popstar. He is an artist. An argument could be made about how much of a musician Prince actually is.

"Such Nastiness!"

funksterr said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

I wonder if you guys ever stop the petty bitching and enjoy him for what he is. .....a musician. Before the fame, fortune, sales, acolades....he is musician.

He is a popstar. He is an artist. An argument could be made about how much of a musician Prince actually is.

Not one that would make any sense.

QueenofPurplePalace said:

wonder505 said:

Does anyone have any hardcore evidence that Prince is desperate or emotionally suffering over the status of his career?

1. The ridiculous nostalgic afro haircut he insists to wear?
Skipper, turn your hearing aid on : you are SIXTY, not SIXTEEN.

2. The sad melancholic face he wore when he made his little "albums still matter" speech,
and the cocained crowd over-reaction to it?

3. Releasing the pathetic Hit'n'Run?


He has a nervous breakdown alright. The worst since Graffiti Bridge.

But he'll get out of it eventually.

To people claiming that his current artistic status is oh-so-great, well,
when compared to Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Robert Plant, and many others, he just sounds pathetic.
Album after album, these artists sound humble, and try new approaches.

Whereas Skipper not only sounds full of himself (quoting his own sound and songs again and again, in the studio AND live, it's been years now for Chrissake), but where Macca choses Nigel Godrich as a producer, Prince choses your average Joe, a guy who knows some stock synth presets,
just like Skipper, but they're a different brand,
so Skipper never heard them and think Joe is a genius. A peer.
That's how sick he is.

It's Skipper's own fault : he had the arrogance to think that a creative spirit doesn't need to rest. That no matter where he lays his fingers on the instrument,
something astounding will pour out of it.

Skipper, for the nth time : just take a fucking vacation.
A loooong one.

bonatoc said:

bonatoc said:

Skipper, for the nth time : just take a fucking vacation.

How empty does a person have to be to get so worked up over the life of a celebrity?

wonder505 said:

this rambling nonsense didnt' answer the question in my post.
It's surely nonsense to People Without.

i never heard that people over 16 cant' wear afros.
They can, especially in the Land of the Free.
It doesn't mean they should. Especially with pretty damaged hair.

and you come off very creepy calling him Skipper.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
How about this : you can cut off all my fins but to your ways I will not bend.

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lezama said:

bonatoc said:

Skipper, for the nth time : just take a fucking vacation.

How empty does a person have to be to get so worked up over the life of a celebrity?

Worked up? Who's worked up?

— No, wrong question, sorry —

Who's a celebrity?

bonatoc said:

TraSoul82 said:

At the end of the day, I honestly think we're seeing Prince's musical mid-life crisis as opposed to actual desperation.

Could be. Still, his reclusiveness and big-as-a-balloon head
prevents him from succeeding in that as well.

I think I could tolerate Prince feat. David Guetta.
I would be happy to see him top the charts,
because it would drive some kids to his back catalogue,
and as a result we would have less uneducated ears around.

Culture is crucial, and Skipper is really someone that can change your perception
of music for ever, at least when it comes to popular music
(contrary to rumours, Amadeus he is not).

"Negaderthals". I love The Org.

Well, I'd rather love the man to the point that I'm kickin' his ass in an useless way,
my foot floating in the great digital void, than applauding or pretending
not to see the current state of things.

As a loyal and long-time fan, this is not what I envisioned, or rather, wished for him.
He does not deserve to be dressed as a buffoon.
To hell with your "he's free to do whatever he wants",
that's just bad taste in plain sight, it doesn't take Stevie Wonder.

I see Yay-Magnons applaud his latest offering.
Don't worry Skipper, you got their attention alright.
How you did it by butchering what was already a third-rate outtake
is beyond my comprehension.

But hey, what do I know?
I'm getting flustered, I don't know what to do,
I've been working every night til a quarter past two.

bonatoc said:

thedance said:

XxAxX said:

in fact this thread is all about the OP's constant need for drawing negative attention and has nothing to do with prince's career.

Ok... I agree to the point that this thread was bad timing..

Who would know Prince was about to tour my country this year before christmas (I didn't no a thing about it).

Still Prince's career releasing studio albums is dead, don't be mad at me for telling.. thats just a fact...

Unfortunately, I blame Prince for not going all in with musicvideos, promotion in general.

Maybe the fanbase would increase in case he did, and his career would seem more healthy again...

Live giving concerts: Prince will be a living legend til he dies in 30-40 years time..

Releasing albums: Prince is in a crisis, I can't see it otherwise...

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okay. you can't be for serious real. such madness must arise from a comedy agenda

funksterr said:

QueenofPurplePalace said:

I wonder if you guys ever stop the petty bitching and enjoy him for what he is. .....a musician. Before the fame, fortune, sales, acolades....he is musician.

He is a popstar. He is an artist. An argument could be made about how much of a musician Prince actually is.

Easily one of the most ridiculously pretentious post written on the Org in the last few days.

Next you'll pompously debate how much of a sculptor Michelangelo really was.

SoulAlive said:

Lianachan said:

thedance said: Exactly this. I'm astonished at the arseholery of some posters. We were told a Purple Rain remaster was on the way, it was not unreasonable then to look forward to that and it is not unreasonable now to want it to finally appear.

Exactly.The Purple Rain remaster was promised to us,and we're expecting it.We're excited about it.But now that Prince is dragging his heels with it,some fans are trying to downplay the project,and act like it's not really important anyway....lol....some of y'all are hilarious

Do you guys have a link from an official source where I can read what you're claiming?

People keep saying that but I don't know where they're getting the information from.

Holy shit - is remaster denial actually a thing now?

babynoz said:

SoulAlive said:

Exactly.The Purple Rain remaster was promised to us,and we're expecting it.We're excited about it.But now that Prince is dragging his heels with it,some fans are trying to downplay the project,and act like it's not really important anyway....lol....some of y'all are hilarious

Do you guys have a link from an official source where I can read what you're claiming?

People keep saying that but I don't know where they're getting the information from.

http://www.billboard.com/...bum-coming

funksterr said:

Aerogram said:

Your ancestors, the Negaderthals, also believed circa 2000 that Prince was over and done. After all, he had just pissed off Clive Davis, and was about to release a heavily religious album called The Raincow Children. He would tour minuscule venues compared to the arena he used to fill. All was lost, they said.

Then came 2004.

Oftentimes, people who have a flat view of life think they are realists. They believe that since wondrous things are not happening, for sure nothing great will happen again. So they are perpetual prophets of doom, certain their "common" wisdom is likely the truth.

Doomsayers think they are down to earth but in reality they are just as predictable and subjective as those super-optimistic folks who think the greatest thing will happen next.

I think I'll dare believe the future is a little better than your bitter tea leaves reading would have you believe.

Have a great day!

Only thing that happend in 2004 was that Prince actually toured and acted like a professional for a while anyway. It didn't take long though before he was twice sued, evicted from his home, behind on taxes... I mean sheesh! Musicology flopped, even after he forced it's purchase on ticketbuyers coming to see him play a greatest hits tour. He ended up with ZERO hits even he was omnipresent in the media like never before. WHAT HAPPENED IN 2004 BESIDES A PROFESSIONALLY PLANNED AND EXECUTED TOUR?????

Absolutely none of what you claim happened in 2004 and Prince was never evicted from his home.

Lianachan said:

Holy shit - is remaster denial actually a thing now?

You had to know something was awry after that interview near the release of AOA/PLEC, when he was asked if he was excited about PR30, and he said, "No."

Then said something to the effect of 'it's just the same old album with state of the art sound." It was a drastic change of tune compared to his quote from his own press release, stating he and WB were "very pleased with the negotiations," and that the project would contain "unheard material."

terrig said:

maybe just maybe Prince gives not one flying fck about record sales....he's smart enough to get paid upfront. you get an advance. make product. deliver product. move on to the next. easy peasy.

I think that the people who put up the money upfront do care about sales...

No sales, no promotion, no outtakes just to piss WB and us off... no more money upfront

SchlomoThaHomo said:

babynoz said:

Do you guys have a link from an official source where I can read what you're claiming?

People keep saying that but I don't know where they're getting the information from.

http://www.billboard.com/...bum-coming

Thanks.....somebody paying attention.

I've read this article and Prince made some vague, cagey statement about being pleased.....no promises.

"A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros Records and Eye (sic) are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations and look forward to a fruitful working relationship," Prince said in a statement.



However, the CEO of Warner's is a little more specific, but I was thinking that maybe I'd missed some detailed statement with a release date included.

The Warner Music Group decline to provide further comment on the details of the deal. But Warner Bros. Records chairman and CEO Cameron Strang said in a statement: "Everyone at Warner Bros Records is delighted to be working with Prince once again: he is one of the world's biggest stars and a truly unique talent. We are also very excited about the release of new and re-mastered music from one of his greatest masterpieces."

babynoz said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

http://www.billboard.com/...bum-coming

Thanks.....somebody paying attention.

Yes, or just use Google or search for any of the older threads...


However, the CEO of Warner's is a little more specific, but I was thinking that maybe I'd missed some detailed statement with a release date included.

Something about a 30th Anniversary...?

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Lianachan said:

Holy shit - is remaster denial actually a thing now?

You had to know something was awry after that interview near the release of AOA/PLEC, when he was asked if he was excited about PR30, and he said, "No."

Then said something to the effect of 'it's just the same old album with state of the art sound." It was a drastic change of tune compared to his quote from his own press release, stating he and WB were "very pleased with the negotiations," and that the project would contain "unheard material."

I read the link you posted and I remember thinking at the time that he was being his usual vague self so I guess I never took it as a promise. I don't deny that remasters were discussed but I believe that if they failed to nail Prince down to specifics about those remasters in the signed agreement, then something is most certainly awry as you say.

My position is that while I don't personally care about remasters, I do believe that if they are part of a signed agreement then Prince should comply, period.

If Warner's sues his pants off for not doing so, I consider that his problem, not mine.

Aerogram said:

People always mention Dylan, Bowie and Sprinsteen.

Question: when was the last time people cared if they released a video or not, or if they charted or not?

White artists with long careers have classic rock to maintain their legendary status, black artists are easily considered retro unless they still attract a younger audience, because even after all these years, their classics are valued as examples of fun music back in the day, not treated the same as an opus from the Mighty Rock Era.

Aretha and Stevie are venerated in the same way, but only for their older records. In Jazz, things are different, but the pop world is not exactly free of old attitudes.

Before having this kinda useless and evergoing debate, we need to assert what is at stake here, what mattters the most : public recognition, or artistic legacy ?

While not releasing the best of the crop, aforementioned artists release work that sounds a bit freed from the heavy aura their past career carries, a bit liberated from the "responsability" of being Dylan, Springsteen, etc. ...

Skipper looks like he always has to state that he is Prince,
therefore you get the usual sound gimmicks,
the "signature" synth riffs, that goddamn Linn again.
We all know that he is more talented than this. TRC proves it. 3121 and AOA too.


TRC was a real hope to see the beginning of a new and exciting career as a Jazz club performer.
Most of his compositions could stand intellectual treatments, sophisticated arrangements.
OK, he does small clubs. But not with a purpose.
It feels like he still needs to show off to be happy. A real egomaniac.

The "Slowed down" LRC version that surfaced ca. Montreux is alright,
but you've got to admit that once the surprise has passed,
it just sounds like he overdoes it.
I mean this new arrangement isn't great to the point where one feels entitled
to make the crowd chant "slow down!" for 4 or 5 minutes.
It's not Jeff Buckley singing Hallelujah.
The exchange with the public would have been perfect for one minute.
When you listen to these looong ad-lib minutes again,
it's embarassing, both for Prince and the crowd.
It's just a layered synth pad over 3 basic chords,
there's no reason for Skipper to sound so affected.
It sounds like a pose.
And that's the whole problem with this self-referencing habit he's grown accustomed to.
One just cringes.


That's an ego problem, or fear of ageing,
I don't know what's wrong.
But going to The Vault, and coming back with "If I Could Get Your Attention"...
Something does not compute.
Trust me, I'm very far of being a naysayer when it comes to this song.
This one I find myself periodically humming to myself for the last 20 years, so...

What is absurd, is that a chord structure so simple (C, F, C, F, etc.) is just perfect
for the raw enthusiasm of the 3rd Eye Girl Band.
We've been waiting almost 30 years for the killer Guitar Solo
the Taja version was trying to aim.
But no, we get 2001 Daft Punk autotuned vocoder, and since Skipper
does not listen to records but his own, Josh' photocopied production idea
sounds as an innovation to his untrained ears (if Vocoder was something new, that is).
Get back to your Joni and Kate records, Skipper, you need a brainwash.

Utlimately I think, but it has been stated many times before,
that someone who based, willingly or unwillingly, most of his work on provocation,
social disruption if you will, needs friction to give his best.

That is why the WB Wars era is so interesting.
It put him in the same situation of Dirty Mind, where there was a radical urge
to be anti-establishement, be it in the songs or in the attitude
(and Skipper seldom makes a distinction).


But hey, we had yawning periods before.
There's no indication that he won't quit that self-referencing, self-quoting habit.

If he really manages to stick to the improvisation plan,
if it's not a lie and he does not have the band enter after a short acoustic medley,
if he really gets into an hour of just him and an acoustic instrument,
show after show, then I think it's going to do him good.

It's going to get him back to his roots.

It's a disservice you do to the man by praising him no matter what.
That's the problem with fame. Even if the forthcoming acoustic sets turn out to be mediocre,
You'll always have the zealots applauding like crazy,
and dumb Ol' Skipper will think he's doing great,
and as a result we'll get no invention, no risk taking.

An artist NEEDS a kick in the nuts.
Especially when he is a natural.

Pentacle said:

babynoz said:

Thanks.....somebody paying attention.

Yes, or just use Google or search for any of the older threads...


However, the CEO of Warner's is a little more specific, but I was thinking that maybe I'd missed some detailed statement with a release date included.

Something about a 30th Anniversary...?

Schlomo was kind enough to provide a link, but thank you.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

babynoz said:

Do you guys have a link from an official source where I can read what you're claiming?

People keep saying that but I don't know where they're getting the information from.

http://www.billboard.com/...bum-coming

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http://www.mynewsdesk.com...hip-986847

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April 18, 2014 - Prince and Warner Bros. Records today announced a new agreement that will see the release of long-awaited, previously unheard material, while giving the artist ownership of the master recordings of his classic, global hits. At the same time, the deal extends Prince's relationship with Warner Bros. Records, through an exclusive global licensing partnership that covers every album released from 1978 into the nineties. The financial terms of the agreement were not disclosed.

For Prince fans worldwide, the new partnership will open a veritable gold mine. The surprise announcement comes just in time for this summer's 30th Anniversary celebrations of the artist's breakthrough album and film, Purple Rain, which were released in 1984. For the first time, Prince will be releasing a digitally re-mastered, deluxe version of this classic album. Other planned projects will follow.

Prince said, "A brand-new studio album is on the way and both Warner Bros Records and Eye are quite pleased with the results of the negotiations and look forward to a fruitful working relationship."

"Everyone at Warner Bros Records is delighted to be working with Prince once again: he is one of the world's biggest stars and a truly unique talent" said Cameron Strang, Chairman & CEO, Warner Bros. Records. "We are also very excited about the release of new and re-mastered music from one of his greatest masterpieces."

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I don't see why WBR would promise these things in a press release if they weren't part of the negotiations.

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Another source for that press release.

[Edited 11/10/15 6:10am]

Lianachan said:

Holy shit - is remaster denial actually a thing now?

What denial? I asked a question FFS...

Like I told schlomo...if Prince signed an agreement to that effect then he should honor it, period.

Anyhoo, thanks for providing a link. I had not seen this blog before.