dadeepop said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think it is age. It's other issues. Maybe he is very much concerned about what people think and being in the public eye in a big way, hits and such.

I think the Rainbow Children (more Egyptology & Princeology than JW beliefs) is very ole Prince subversive naughty purple utopia etc Some of the story line of the album reminds me of the opening story of the Ladder.

People choose to blow up things they think are wrong with that album. But I think that is his best album since the Gold Experience

I see what you're saying, but I think that may come with age as well. More self-reflection and what not. Who knows. I do agree about TRC.

But don't you think that can stiffle inspiration?
I mean if he continued on the sound of Rainbow Children instead of Musicology ...

OldFriends4Sale said:

SignOthetimes1987 said:

while I dont enjoy listening to TRC,I never dissed it because Prince was inspired again

and you could tell in the music which sounds fresh on that album.

I always enjoyed Come more than the Gold experience.to me,TGE is a lot of plastic,

very little emotion.at least Come sounded different and was full of raw emotion.

to this day I find it weird that it's mostly the same sessions.

(Im doublespacing my posts but they come out like this,blocks of text.sorry.)

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Yeah I a lot of that music was from the same sessions and period.
the Gold experience was a very inspired era, not so much the album.
Come did have a more cohesive feel, just enough tracks to not over do it

Come is a great album, for sure.

dadeepop said:

I'm still waiting 4 the people who say his religious beliefs are fueling his music? Can they please post the countless songs full of JW biblical drivel and Christian Rock?

KingSausage said:

TRC is one of my favorite Prince albums. It's the sequel to Lovesexy. (And both are my jam!) I'm atheist as fuck, but I admire a lot of music that's spiritual. Not just Prince, but also Marvin, Stevie, and countless others. It's all about passion and inspiration. TRC was inspired. Batshit crazy at times, but inspired. Some of his newer songs with religious themes are too on the nose and not at all inspired. And although his stage banter isn't as offensive and intolerant as it used to be, it has still been preachy at times. It's Prince's right entirely to believe what he wants. But it's our right as fans individually to decide whether or not we feel a connection to Prince's spiritual messages.

What are the more recent songs that have a religious theme that have that lack of inspiration?

I'm actually not remembering a lot of songs that have a very preachy message.

KingSausage said:

dadeepop said:

Ahhhh...some of that world famous progressive Tolerance™ on full display up in here.

Anyhoo, no I don't think Josh is a problem. (Despite his offensive Jesusy ways!) If anything he's injected new life into Prince's music, while still (mostly) staying true to the "Prince sound." I would argue Prince was better when he was more spiritual/religious in the 80s/partial 90s. I think it simply comes down to his age. The dude is 57. I mean, c'mon. Age mellows everyone.

I'm just thankful he's still giving us good music -- for the most part. That's all I can ask. Oh, and maybe at some point Purple Rain remaster+. That's all I can ask.

I'm sorry if I added to that in any way. I don't mean to spread intolerance. Again, apologies. Peace.

It's all good, dude. Unnnnless you're being sarcastic, you heartless bastard!

OldFriends4Sale said:

dadeepop said:

I see what you're saying, but I think that may come with age as well. More self-reflection and what not. Who knows. I do agree about TRC.

But don't you think that can stiffle inspiration?
I mean if he continued on the sound of Rainbow Children instead of Musicology ...

I confewsd. Are we agreeing? Yes, age usually does stifle inspiration. If that's what you're saying. lol But good point about Rainbow Children. Like KS said, TRC was Lovesexy continued. Maybe that should have been the path for him to continue on... Spiritual and inspired.

dadeepop said:

KingSausage said:

dadeepop said:

It's all good, dude. Unnnnless you're being sarcastic, you heartless bastard!

I'm being totally genuine. I get caught up in bullshit here sometimes. It's not worth it. We're all Prince fans. Why squabble?

I knew you were. Yes, why squabble? So you agree: Wedding Feast is a MASTERPIECE!

(J to tha effing K)

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

"religion has no real place in contemporary western life. We don't need to rely on an omnipotent God to explain the world to us anymore."

At least 70% of Americans believe in God while nearly 80% of Europeans claim to believe in "some sort of spirit or life force", with 51% specificially mentioning God. So while YOU may not need to rely on a God, a lot of people do. And Prince has been and probably always will be one of them.

And I agree with OF4S and other posters.. Prince was much more bluntly religious in the 1980s than he he has been in the last few years, especially on record. Lovesexy Tour, anyone? Only difference is less people bitched back then because they liked the music. Now that a lot people haven't dug his recent work, his lyrics about religion are just an extra annoyance. His religion/religious lyrics have no effect on the quality of his work. True, his records in the 21st century are at times laughably bad. But to blame this fall in quality on religion? Nah.

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Actually, most of those figures are wrong--people make it up most of the time. I can tell you this though, 100% of those poople don't believe in God when they're ill. They'll choose medical science over prayer every time.

It doesn't change the fact that a HUGE number of people believe in God. And let's forget about just the West for a second (because fans and critics of Prince's music hail from everywhere in the world). Worldwide, you can't really deny that a majority of people believe in SOME sort of diety.

And also, "choosing" medical science over prayer doesn't mean you don't believe in God lmao. Didn't you hear that story about the man who was drowning and had several chances to be saved by fellow human beings, but denied these because "God will save me", and when he drowned, God called him an idiot for not taking the help that He sent? You're free to think He's a man-made fairy tale, but come on now. You can be a progressive science-loving person who also believes in God.

Militant said:

Just to throw the thread in another direction, I remember that we discussed before the underlying theme of AOA, one that suggested Prince might be looking in another direction and disillusioned with what he may previously have believed in. The soul searching lyrics on "Way Back Home" combined with some of the more new age philosophy of "Clouds", "Time" etc.

Maybe he's trying to hold on to something in the face of a personal struggle where he's failing to identify as much with whatever faith he had before, and this is showing in the people he is choosing to surround himself with the most.

Just a thought. I'll be interested to see if the kind of themes he was exploring on AOA are present on HITANDRUN.

I'm inclined to agree here.....

How do we know Joshua is more the inspiration than

Danish bassist Ida Kristine Nielsen Andy Allo Miss Stella Blu Kiran Sharma Marissa Jack Eryn Allen Kane Filipina/Afro-Canadian -Maya Washington ex-Sheila E keyboardist an American amalgamation Cassandra O'Neal

Greek/Jamaican-Lianne La Havas Macedonian Canadian guitarist Donna Grantis vocalist Liv Warfield -hailing from Peoria IL American of African descent

Coco & Breezy Joshua Welton Paloma Ayana (Delilah) Judith Hill Madison Dube Lizzo Damaris Lewis Sophia Eris English/Spanish/Jamaican-FKA-Twigs Martin Homent of London, UK Rita Ora

???

KingSausage said:

TRC is one of my favorite Prince albums. It's the sequel to Lovesexy. (And both are my jam!) I'm atheist as fuck, but I admire a lot of music that's spiritual. Not just Prince, but also Marvin, Stevie, and countless others. It's all about passion and inspiration. TRC was inspired. Batshit crazy at times, but inspirSome of his newer songs with religious themes are too on the nose and not at all inspired. And although his stage banter isn't as offensive and intolerant as it used to be, it has still been preachy at times. It's Prince's right entirely to believe what he wants. But it's our right as fans individually to decide whether or not we feel a connection to Prince's spiritual messages.

Yes, yes, yes. Me too....I also love gospel music, atheist that I am.... you can hear it when Prince is on fire, and when he's not.

does anybody remember that time all the Syrian people came over.

and then, y'know, didn't swim the Atlantic that was so super =Brian swam the Atlantic holding his breath, yeah that was so super awesome

Cx

terrig said:

KingSausage said:

TRC is one of my favorite Prince albums. It's the sequel to Lovesexy. (And both are my jam!) I'm atheist as fuck, but I admire a lot of music that's spiritual. Not just Prince, but also Marvin, Stevie, and countless others. It's all about passion and inspiration. TRC was inspired. Batshit crazy at times, but inspirSome of his newer songs with religious themes are too on the nose and not at all inspired. And although his stage banter isn't as offensive and intolerant as it used to be, it has still been preachy at times. It's Prince's right entirely to believe what he wants. But it's our right as fans individually to decide whether or not we feel a connection to Prince's spiritual messages.

Yes, yes, yes. Me too....I also love gospel music, atheist that I am.... you can hear it when Prince is on fire, and when he's not.

Co-sign to both these posts. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go make some opponents lose their religion on Halo xbox live...

y'know when people inject words into internet conversations, byeah that's super gay y'kinow.

Although, hold your breath people, I have just drafted in another thousand people in the slip stream of my giant gay handkercheif.

Well well well I du'uo decla'ire!

Say what? Another bagillion pe'ople o'er d'er?

My my my what a fucking awful mess.

10,000 years o' agro centric wheat n bread

you, the product.

Cx

CharismaDove said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Actually, most of those figures are wrong--people make it up most of the time. I can tell you this though, 100% of those poople don't believe in God when they're ill. They'll choose medical science over prayer every time.

It doesn't change the fact that a HUGE number of people believe in God. And let's forget about just the West for a second (because fans and critics of Prince's music hail from everywhere in the world). Worldwide, you can't really deny that a majority of people believe in SOME sort of diety.

And also, "choosing" medical science over prayer doesn't mean you don't believe in God lmao. Didn't you hear that story about the man who was drowning and had several chances to be saved by fellow human beings, but denied these because "God will save me", and when he drowned, God called him an idiot for not taking the help that He sent? You're free to think He's a man-made fairy tale, but come on now. You can be a progressive science-loving person who also believes in God.

You're sweet but I can see I'm wasting my time here. Let me end on this. Of course, I would never dispute with you that a HUGE number of people believe in God. For some reason, though, you see this as evidence for his existence (always a man, of course). Remember, there was a time when the majority of the world's population believed that the world was flat. So, a HUGE number people were wrong (you don't believe the world is flat do you?). As for your science v prayer story...sorry, that's white noise to me. If you believe that story to be true then, well, you believe it be true. I can't help.

mrsquirrel said:

y'know when people inject words into internet conversations, byeah that's super gay y'kinow.

Although, hold your breath people, I have just drafted in another thousand people in the slip stream of my giant gay handkercheif.

Well well well I du'uo decla'ire!

Say what? Another bagillion pe'ople o'er d'er?

My my my what a fucking awful mess.

10,000 years o' agro centric wheat n bread

you, the product.

Cx

Drinking and the internet don't mix.

http://prince.org/msg/5/418326

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

It doesn't change the fact that a HUGE number of people believe in God. And let's forget about just the West for a second (because fans and critics of Prince's music hail from everywhere in the world). Worldwide, you can't really deny that a majority of people believe in SOME sort of diety.

And also, "choosing" medical science over prayer doesn't mean you don't believe in God lmao. Didn't you hear that story about the man who was drowning and had several chances to be saved by fellow human beings, but denied these because "God will save me", and when he drowned, God called him an idiot for not taking the help that He sent? You're free to think He's a man-made fairy tale, but come on now. You can be a progressive science-loving person who also believes in God.

You're sweet but I can see I'm wasting my time here. Let me end on this. Of course, I would never dispute with you that a HUGE number of people believe in God. For some reason, though, you see this as evidence for his existence (always a man, of course). Remember, there was a time when the majority of the world's population believed that the world was flat. So, a HUGE number people were wrong (you don't believe the world is flat do you?). As for your science v prayer story...sorry, that's white noise to me. If you believe that story to be true then, well, you believe it be true. I can't help.

errr what? I see you missed my point completely. I never claimed that millions of people believing in God is proof of His existence. What I said was that since a majority of people believe in the concept itself, it would be foolish and incorrect to say "religion has no place in contemporary life." Again, it may have no place in YOUR life, and no place in the OP's life and that's cool. Everybody should be able to dig that. But it doesn't change the fact that religion STILL has a huge place in overall contemporary life (whether God is real or not), which is what I was alluding to when I wrote the statistics of people who believe in God.

Again, although I made it evident in my post that I personally believed in the existence of God, I NEVER have claimed that there's any sort of real evidence he's there. Obviously stats don't mean shit. You're right about the earth-being-flat analogy, it goes to show that public opinion isn't always right (why else is Prince barely shifting 100K? ). But the argument ain't about whether God exists. It's about if the idea of Him has a place in today's world.

Also, the story I relayed isn't supposed to be "proof" of God existing and a story only a "believer" can relate to. It just means that just because you appreciate science and use medications and other human-made advances, does NOT mean you can't believe in God. A smart religious person would probably respect science and utilize medication whilst believing God gave human beings the intellect to discover/work it. Accusing a modern person who uses medication of "not believing in God" is foolish imo.

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CharismaDove said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

You're sweet but I can see I'm wasting my time here. Let me end on this. Of course, I would never dispute with you that a HUGE number of people believe in God. For some reason, though, you see this as evidence for his existence (always a man, of course). Remember, there was a time when the majority of the world's population believed that the world was flat. So, a HUGE number people were wrong (you don't believe the world is flat do you?). As for your science v prayer story...sorry, that's white noise to me. If you believe that story to be true then, well, you believe it be true. I can't help.

errr what? I see you missed my point completely. I never claimed that millions of people believing in God is proof of His existence. What I said was that since a majority of people believe in the concept itself, it would be foolish and incorrect to say "religion has no place in contemporary life." Again, it may have no place in YOUR life, and no place in the OP's life and that's cool. Everybody should be able to dig that. But it doesn't change the fact that religion STILL has a huge place in overall contemporary life (whether God is real or not), which is what I was alluding to when I wrote the statistics of people who believe in God.

Again, although I made it evident in my post that I personally believed in the existence of God, I NEVER have claimed that there's any sort of real evidence he's there. Obviously stats don't mean shit. You're right about the earth-being-flat analogy, it goes to show that public opinion isn't always right (why else is Prince barely shifting 100K? ). But the argument ain't about whether God exists. It's about if the idea of Him has a place in today's world.

Also, the story I relayed isn't supposed to be "proof" of God existing and a story only a "believer" can relate to. It just means that just because you appreciate science and use medications and other human-made advances, does NOT mean you can't believe in God. A smart religious person would probably respect science and utilize medication whilst believing God gave human beings the intellect to discover/work it. Accusing a modern person who uses medication of "not believing in God" is foolish imo.

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So your here to say...drum roll...God means something to alot of people. Is that it? Who cares? The question that matters is: is it true? Because, if it is, our whole concept of the world and its beings (biology, chemistry, physics) change. As for the "smart" religious person..well they had better appreciate science hadn't they? Their bronze age myths about the world were exploded centuries ago. Of course, your last recourse is to now say "God gave human beings the intellect to discover..."; we both know you can't say "God did it" because you'd sound even more foolish than you do now. I know you know this. Think about why that is. Seriously. Don't believe in something just because your parents did. Think for yourself. If there's no evidence for it, question it. It's your right.

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

errr what? I see you missed my point completely. I never claimed that millions of people believing in God is proof of His existence. What I said was that since a majority of people believe in the concept itself, it would be foolish and incorrect to say "religion has no place in contemporary life." Again, it may have no place in YOUR life, and no place in the OP's life and that's cool. Everybody should be able to dig that. But it doesn't change the fact that religion STILL has a huge place in overall contemporary life (whether God is real or not), which is what I was alluding to when I wrote the statistics of people who believe in God.

Again, although I made it evident in my post that I personally believed in the existence of God, I NEVER have claimed that there's any sort of real evidence he's there. Obviously stats don't mean shit. You're right about the earth-being-flat analogy, it goes to show that public opinion isn't always right (why else is Prince barely shifting 100K? ). But the argument ain't about whether God exists. It's about if the idea of Him has a place in today's world.

Also, the story I relayed isn't supposed to be "proof" of God existing and a story only a "believer" can relate to. It just means that just because you appreciate science and use medications and other human-made advances, does NOT mean you can't believe in God. A smart religious person would probably respect science and utilize medication whilst believing God gave human beings the intellect to discover/work it. Accusing a modern person who uses medication of "not believing in God" is foolish imo.

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So your here to say...drum roll...God means something to alot of people. Is that it? Who cares? The question that matters is: is it true? Because, if it is, our whole concept of the world and its beings (biology, chemistry, physics) change. As for the "smart" religious person..well they had better appreciate science hadn't they? Their bronze age myths about the world were exploded centuries ago. Of course, your last recourse is to now say "God gave human beings the intellect to discover..."; we both know you can't say "God did it" because you'd sound even more foolish than you do now. I know you know this. Think about why that is. Seriously. Don't believe in something just because your parents did. Think for yourself. If there's no evidence for it, question it. It's your right.

"So your (*you're) here to say... drum roll.. God means something to alot of people. Is that it? Who cares?" Umm yeah. My original post was just responding to the OP claiming that religion is not relevant in today's society. I responded that since religion is still prevalent in the world, this is obviously false whether you believe in the idea of him existing or not.

You keep trying to bring this discussion to a place I'm not willing to go. You entirely miss the simple points I make about how religion is important to a lot of people. Nothing more, nothing less. That was my original post. Nowhere did I try to give you evidence that God existed or try to convince you in any way, so I fail to see your point in arguing about his existence. You're asking the question "is it true?" It can't be proven, but hey, if you don't believe in his existence go right head, I really don't care. I can dig and respect opposing opinions. In fact, you seem to be the one who can't let it go that I believe in God and feel you must convince that religion is stupid So I'm not gonna go into a deep philosophical religious argument, because at the end of the day, you won't believe what I believe in and vice versa.

It surprises me though how you take a statement and completely misconstrue it. Everytime I try to tell you what a person who believes in God would say, you automatically think I'm saying that it's a fact. Where in the world did I claim that God gave human beings the intellect to discover? Again, all I said was that a religious person who loved science might say something like that. From my earlier post: "A smart religious person would probably respect science+utilize medication whilst believing God gave human beings the intellect to discover/work it." So why you're trying to use that statement against me and make it look like this is what I honestly believe, I don't know. All I'm saying is it's what someone might say.

As for your last few sentences about "thinking for yourself", "question it", umm thanks for the concern but maybe you shouldn't assume that everyone who's religious got it from their parents lol. You keep going on about how God doesn't exist and it's so illogical when I haven't said anything about the idea itself except for that I believe in it Live and let go, bro. I'd smoke one with an atheist, but you seem like you would start frothing at the mouth when near a religious guy. Sorry if it's condescending, but actually not really considering your pretentious last few sentences.

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CharismaDove said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

So your here to say...drum roll...God means something to alot of people. Is that it? Who cares? The question that matters is: is it true? Because, if it is, our whole concept of the world and its beings (biology, chemistry, physics) change. As for the "smart" religious person..well they had better appreciate science hadn't they? Their bronze age myths about the world were exploded centuries ago. Of course, your last recourse is to now say "God gave human beings the intellect to discover..."; we both know you can't say "God did it" because you'd sound even more foolish than you do now. I know you know this. Think about why that is. Seriously. Don't believe in something just because your parents did. Think for yourself. If there's no evidence for it, question it. It's your right.

"So your (*you're) here to say... drum roll.. God means something to alot of people. Is that it? Who cares?" Umm yeah. My original post was just responding to the OP claiming that religion is not relevant in today's society. I responded that since religion is still prevalent in the world, this is obviously false whether you believe in the idea of him existing or not.

You keep trying to bring this discussion to a place I'm not willing to go. You entirely miss the simple points I make about how religion is important to a lot of people. Nothing more, nothing less. That was my original post. Nowhere did I try to give you evidence that God existed or try to convince you in any way, so I fail to see your point in arguing about his existence. You're asking the question "is it true?" It can't be proven, but hey, if you don't believe in his existence go right head, I really don't care. I can dig and respect opposing opinions. In fact, you seem to be the one who can't let it go that I believe in God and feel you must convince that religion is stupid So I'm not gonna go into a deep philosophical religious argument, because at the end of the day, you won't believe what I believe in and vice versa.

It surprises me though how you take a statement and completely misconstrue it. Everytime I try to tell you what a person who believes in God would say, you automatically think I'm saying that it's a fact. Where in the world did I claim that God gave human beings the intellect to discover? Again, all I said was that a religious person who loved science might say something like that. From my earlier post: "A smart religious person would probably respect science+utilize medication whilst believing God gave human beings the intellect to discover/work it." So why you're trying to use that statement against me and make it look like this is what I honestly believe, I don't know. All I'm saying is it's what someone might say.

As for your last few sentences about "thinking for yourself", "question it", umm thanks for the concern but maybe you shouldn't assume that everyone who's religious got it from their parents lol. You keep going on about how God doesn't exist and it's so illogical when I haven't said anything about the idea itself except for that I believe in it Live and let go, bro. I'd smoke weed with an atheist, but you seem like you wouldn't be able to stop 'preaching' to a religious guy. Sorry if it's condescending, but actually not really considering your pretentious last few sentences.

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In all your verbiage, all you've actually done is say what you don't mean and what you didn't say. This conversation would be a helluva lot more interesting if you told me what you do mean and what you would say. You've come on to a forum where religion is being discusssed and said you don't want to go there. You're tiring me out.

KingSausage said:

If only Prince believed what he wanted to believe and let others live in peace, instead of preaching and judging.

yeah, this

NorthC said:

Thinking for yourself doesn't automatically mean you give up belief in God. It might just as easily lead to a belief in God. And there was not a time when the majority of the people believed the world was flat. The ancient Greeks knew it was round. People in the Middle Ages knew it. (Only Funkcreep doesn't know it yet.)

Thinking for yourself leads to God. I'll take that as a comment.

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filthyrichyuppie said:

NorthC said:

Thinking for yourself doesn't automatically mean you give up belief in God. It might just as easily lead to a belief in God. And there was not a time when the majority of the people believed the world was flat. The ancient Greeks knew it was round. People in the Middle Ages knew it. (Only Funkcreep doesn't know it yet.)

The Greeks. The middle ages. Your bouncing across milennia. Stop being silly.