I think Prince fans are negative because he has given us so much output over the years and so many good songs and albums, that we've become accustomed to expect great things from him. When we don't get them, our disappointment shows.

bonatoc said:

I was not comparing Prince to these artists.

Prince has a very unique trajectory and established a universe of its own.

It's about they way they deal with their late years and careers.

Macca and Sting tried classical music, Springsteen gave us a post 9/11 album...

What I'm trying to say is that these artists seem to be able to step back from what they were,

or rather make their art evolve with the times, and their lifetimes.
You don't know enough Dylan if you don't notice the progression in the themes, in the lyrics over the years.
Dylan has a very adult approach to his craft nowadays. "Time Out Of Mind" is not "Blood On The Tracks".
Don't underestimate Dylan.
He's a very important poet. With so many styles.
He's the greatest curator of the musical styles that eventually merged into Rock'n'Roll.
Unless you've heard the Bootleg Series and understood the infinite ways he can rearrange a song, you don't know shit about Dylan.
Unless you experienced the totally opposite feelings he can drag out of the same song, the same lyrics only by changing the mood, you don't know shit about Dylan.
One version of the song is regrets and redemption, the other is coming on her with great vengeance.
WITH THE SAME LYRICS.
No one I know write lyrics as good as Dylan's.
No wonder he semi-raps them. Sung well, it would be too much, over the top, an annoying preacher.
He can sing : ever "Lay Lady Lay"? This is comedian Bob, much like "International Lover".
He just chooses to speak his heart loud on ageless melodies. Craft and experience do the quality.
But you can strip anything from Dylan's work to a bare guitar/voice solo set, it's still good fuckin'blues or rock'n'roll.
Closing on Dylan, I have to put the usual emphasis on "Blood On The Tracks".
If you ever experienced a divorce or a major breakup, and the songs (in sequence, please, do yourself a favour)
don't ring a bell somewhere in your heart, in your soul, I don't know what will.

See? Dylan makes me intolerant.
So does Prince.
Their lights shine so bright to your eyes once you've entered, accepted and embraced the artist's frame of mind — calling it "gimmicks" is so pedantic. Based on this, everything is a gimmick — you get mad at anyone who cannot see the light as bright as you do. "It's right in fornt of you, man! Don't you HEAR it? How can you not hear it?"
You get mad because you know you've been one of those who did not care, and now you're changed for ever, just with some songs.
Which is proof that your fellow can be a candidate to share the experience with.
He/she just doesn't know him yet.
But you, the Prince zealot, are going to spread the good word.
Yeah, I'm crazy and negative as a soldier betrayed, left forgotten in the trenches can get.

Most of Prince's recent lyrics, and his album sequencings

(a little dance, a little slow for the lovers, a little techno joint),
adopt the same pattern ad nauseam.
Always the same recipe.
And his refusal of opening up to new musicians or producers, this self-made man obsession,
just makes his music more and more self-centered and paranoid : "Here comes the Purple Yoda"? Really?
Gimme a break. Smoke a spliff, do something man, relax.
Get down to heart, Miss Garbo.

He should be producing and giving songs away like a maniac.
To everyone : Rihanna, Timberlake, Beyonce, I mean he should flood them weekly.
Empty the Vault, it's yardsale time.
But no, he's in some kind of competition with himself about filling the Vault shelves "to da maximom", apparently.

Not all wines age gracefully. Some have to be sipped in 6 years or they turn to vinegar, some are exceptional after a hundred.

The Vault is not filled with Châteaux Latour bottles, far from it.
We're crazy and negative because Prince forces us to be pirates, and then sues us.
We're the first in line for tickets. We'll be the first in line for a "Bootleg Series" equivalence.

He's looking for mass adoption, to the point where "too many hits!", and other megalomaniac phrases, annoy newbies and aficionados alike during live appearances,
where the "Purple Rain" coda becomes more and more inflated year after year,
losing little by little its essence in some kinda of banner-wavering-for-nothing hymn, that he repeats until it's embarassing
even for the ones who started the "whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo" right from the intro.



If that alone doesn't drive you mad, you're insane.

Another person posted this already, but this is more about "your tastes and expectations" as opposed to the millions of Prince "fans" casual and hardcore thrilled with his new energy and direction. Also, there are many people who compose stronger songs and write more beautiful lyrics thand Dylan....but we as a country "prop him up" above all others for WHATEVER reasons. Joni Mitchell for me has always been a better musician and a stronger lyricist.....by a large margin. Donald Fagen and Steely Dan...far more interesting lyrics that mean more to me as time goes on. Gil Scot-Heron, more socially relevant and 10 times stronger than Dylan. The same can be said of Curtis Mayfield. Of course....these are MY biases and my list of lyrical heroes. I brought him up in my original post to discuss his growth as an artist as he ages as a window to appreciate how Prince is maturing.

I get this feeling from reading your posts you want "potty mouth" Prince to re-emerge for your own private enjoyment. The man has grown beyond this...he is a middle-aged man and his lyrics NOW reflect his maturity and desire to give back. I'm proud of him and applaud AoA and PlecElect as I am fully satisfied with both. Even better, I am hoping that this is just a beginning and that his new Muse carries on for another 10 years (at least 5 more straight rock albums from 3RDEYEGIRL).

I haven't been a fan very long at all (say, 3-5 years) but already in that time i've been to a Prince gig and own 12 albums of his from various eras of his career. I consider myself a passionate fan and will continue to be. Without sounding corny, I think the relatonship between a fan and artist is like any relationship; it's a question of how close or far you want to take that relatioship. As a passionate fan, i've spent a bit of money on this "relationship" but not a sum that engages some form of long term trust. What I mean by this is none of the money i've paid have ben for long term things such as club memberships or subscriptions.

Really, the Prince fandom is no different from any other. I'm an avoid fan of various video games, films, TV shows and other music acts. The Prince fandom parallels all of those. You will get FANS who have established a sense of entitlement or priority while some just live and let live. As passionate as I am, there are albums of his that I have which have only had about half a dozen listens while some of the others i've probably had at least fifty spins. In my eyes, Prince can do no wrong to offend me despite my ability to pick out the negatives.

So no matter how passionate or obsessive or passive you are with your Prince fandom, provided you're not following the guy home, then I don't see why the fanbase as a whole should be seen as crazy, negative or otherwise.

In fact, in an interview with Michael Stipe, Michael was asked how he feels about R.E.M fans having very strong and absolute preferences over the era of R.E.M they prefer and those they strongly dislike. He stated he was fine with it because it proves they care about the work and that he'd prefer dissent over a complacent fanbase that just followed suit because they felt being loyal to the fanbase amounted to genuine appreciation.

TryWhistlingThis said:

I haven't been a fan very long at all (say, 3-5 years) but already in that time i've been to a Prince gig and own 12 albums of his from various eras of his career.

How old are you and what got you into Prince?

TryWhistlingThis said:

I haven't been a fan very long at all (say, 3-5 years) but already in that time i've been to a Prince gig and own 12 albums of his from various eras of his career. I consider myself a passionate fan and will continue to be. Without sounding corny, I think the relatonship between a fan and artist is like any relationship; it's a question of how close or far you want to take that relatioship. As a passionate fan, i've spent a bit of money on this "relationship" but not a sum that engages some form of long term trust. What I mean by this is none of the money i've paid have ben for long term things such as club memberships or subscriptions.

Really, the Prince fandom is no different from any other. I'm an avoid fan of various video games, films, TV shows and other music acts. The Prince fandom parallels all of those. You will get FANS who have established a sense of entitlement or priority while some just live and let live. As passionate as I am, there are albums of his that I have which have only had about half a dozen listens while some of the others i've probably had at least fifty spins. In my eyes, Prince can do no wrong to offend me despite my ability to pick out the negatives.

So no matter how passionate or obsessive or passive you are with your Prince fandom, provided you're not following the guy home, then I don't see why the fanbase as a whole should be seen as crazy, negative or otherwise.

In fact, in an interview with Michael Stipe, Michael was asked how he feels about R.E.M fans having very strong and absolute preferences over the era of R.E.M they prefer and those they strongly dislike. He stated he was fine with it because it proves they care about the work and that he'd prefer dissent over a complacent fanbase that just followed suit because they felt being loyal to the fanbase amounted to genuine appreciation.

Nice job on bringing in one of my favorites Michael Stipe, I hope that Prince has this circumspect view and there are so many peoples that want to see him return to stage in "peach and black" or "purple" or even a garter belt and panty hose and heels. I guess its cool that people care, and a preference of a particular era is fine.....but the intense negativity is a bit much in my opinion. Michael and Prince are familiar with each other or even respectful colleagues maybe friends....lets hope they share a peaceful space about "haters" that hate from love? BTW did you know that Prince used to contact Michael on a regular basis during his Symbol era to get REM to control their own masters? (both were on Warner Brothers at the time). Nice reasoned post though....very philosophical and smart.

Whiskas31 said:

I think Prince fans are negative because he has given us so much output over the years and so many good songs and albums, that we've become accustomed to expect great things from him. When we don't get them, our disappointment shows.

I'm thinking that Prince fans get locked into a particular Prince era and only define excellence as such......nothing outside of this rigid description will be acceptable. I wonder if fans of other eclectic, brilliant musicians are as restrictive and negatively judgemental?

Bjork fans (I looooooveeee her)? Bowie fans (deep respect for the man although I'm hardly a fan)? Joni Mitchell fans (luv me some Joni...she's brilliant). Steve Wonder fans (yup!). Beck fans (I like his stuff.....I like that he always notes Prince's influence on his work).

Anyway, as a 10 year lurker and a very recent poster, its hard to fight through the negativity to find interesting discussion about an artist we all allegedly love so much!

herb4 said:

TryWhistlingThis said:

I haven't been a fan very long at all (say, 3-5 years) but already in that time i've been to a Prince gig and own 12 albums of his from various eras of his career.

How old are you and what got you into Prince?

Actually I only just turned 30 last week.

What got me into Prince? Good question. I always liked some of his songs but never quite enough to take him as an artist I could get passionate about. But as I got to know him more by reading about him, I actually realised that his tastes in music were aligned with mine as well as a lot of my favourite artsts are huge followers of his. Neil Finn is one of my favourite song writers and he helped to kick off my curiosity of Prince when he hired Wendy and Lisa for his 7 Worlds project back in 2001.

Neil is a massive Prince fan so part of my liking of Prince took off from there. I was also curious as to the comparisons between Prince and Michael Jackson. One thing I enjoy about my favourite bands is that they usually have an antagonist which I really like.

Beatles - Stones

Oasis - Blur

Pearl Jam - Nirvana

Guns n Roses - Metallica (kind of)

But the bottom line is that the music of Prince is what kept me here. All of the above things inspired my curiosity but without good music I wouldn't have come anywhere near as close a fan as I am now of Prince. A part of my knew that he was one of those artists i'd like too. I've always admired an artist that knows how to say "no" and stand by it.

mrgone777 said:

TryWhistlingThis said:

I haven't been a fan very long at all (say, 3-5 years) but already in that time i've been to a Prince gig and own 12 albums of his from various eras of his career. I consider myself a passionate fan and will continue to be. Without sounding corny, I think the relatonship between a fan and artist is like any relationship; it's a question of how close or far you want to take that relatioship. As a passionate fan, i've spent a bit of money on this "relationship" but not a sum that engages some form of long term trust. What I mean by this is none of the money i've paid have ben for long term things such as club memberships or subscriptions.

Really, the Prince fandom is no different from any other. I'm an avoid fan of various video games, films, TV shows and other music acts. The Prince fandom parallels all of those. You will get FANS who have established a sense of entitlement or priority while some just live and let live. As passionate as I am, there are albums of his that I have which have only had about half a dozen listens while some of the others i've probably had at least fifty spins. In my eyes, Prince can do no wrong to offend me despite my ability to pick out the negatives.

So no matter how passionate or obsessive or passive you are with your Prince fandom, provided you're not following the guy home, then I don't see why the fanbase as a whole should be seen as crazy, negative or otherwise.

In fact, in an interview with Michael Stipe, Michael was asked how he feels about R.E.M fans having very strong and absolute preferences over the era of R.E.M they prefer and those they strongly dislike. He stated he was fine with it because it proves they care about the work and that he'd prefer dissent over a complacent fanbase that just followed suit because they felt being loyal to the fanbase amounted to genuine appreciation.

Nice job on bringing in one of my favorites Michael Stipe, I hope that Prince has this circumspect view and there are so many peoples that want to see him return to stage in "peach and black" or "purple" or even a garter belt and panty hose and heels. I guess its cool that people care, and a preference of a particular era is fine.....but the intense negativity is a bit much in my opinion. Michael and Prince are familiar with each other or even respectful colleagues maybe friends....lets hope they share a peaceful space about "haters" that hate from love? BTW did you know that Prince used to contact Michael on a regular basis during his Symbol era to get REM to control their own masters? (both were on Warner Brothers at the time). Nice reasoned post though....very philosophical and smart.

No, I had no idea that Prince and Michael Stipe were ever in the same room actually. In fact I don't think i've heard of too many stories of any of my favourite artists actually meeting Prince. I was quietly amused when one of my favourite song writers, Noel Gallagher, actually tried to attend a party that Prince hosted back around 2010 or 2011. Noel got as far as the door but was denied admittance. Shame, I would have loved a story where the two exchange notes on their love of The Beatles and Hendrix.

warning2all said:

toejam said:

Yep.

Yep! All his creative decisions early on- were right on the money! He entertained us and surprised us. Skywalker Ranch= Paisley Park Somewhere along the way, he decided (Lucas:"that's the story, if people don't like it there's not much I can do about it") (Prince: "I try to please myself musically") And the reasons people became fans in the first place...well, the creators went in different directions. I will say, tho, Prince is all about power. Hes made a lot of bad decisions since 1988, and they're getting worse in old age, but its all about having power over his art, his fans, his record companies. And his aloof/cool/mysterious game he plays was OK when his fans were naive teens, but we're middle aged now and don't have time for his goofiness, especially when he doesn't have the music to back it up~

Defintely. The hatred and negativity from a sizable portion of the Lucas fanbase is almost pathological. I've seen some people who wish great harm or even death to Lucas for the prequels. Prince fans aren't anyway near as crazy and pathetic. So what, he made some medicore, but entertaing movies. It's not the end of the world. JJ Abrams better pray he makes at least a half way decent Star Wars film or he will be next in line.

TryWhistlingThis said:

herb4 said:

How old are you and what got you into Prince?

Actually I only just turned 30 last week.

What got me into Prince? Good question. I always liked some of his songs but never quite enough to take him as an artist I could get passionate about. But as I got to know him more by reading about him, I actually realised that his tastes in music were aligned with mine as well as a lot of my favourite artsts are huge followers of his. Neil Finn is one of my favourite song writers and he helped to kick off my curiosity of Prince when he hired Wendy and Lisa for his 7 Worlds project back in 2001.

Neil is a massive Prince fan so part of my liking of Prince took off from there. I was also curious as to the comparisons between Prince and Michael Jackson. One thing I enjoy about my favourite bands is that they usually have an antagonist which I really like.

Beatles - Stones

Oasis - Blur

Pearl Jam - Nirvana

Guns n Roses - Metallica (kind of)

But the bottom line is that the music of Prince is what kept me here. All of the above things inspired my curiosity but without good music I wouldn't have come anywhere near as close a fan as I am now of Prince. A part of my knew that he was one of those artists i'd like too. I've always admired an artist that knows how to say "no" and stand by it.

Thanks for answering. I'm about to turn 48 and had a similar jouney except in the opposite direction. Prince led me down roads like you're describing. I was too young to know much about Sly, Parlaiment, James Brown, WAR or even Hendrix but once I heard the influcnces I started to seek things out.

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Intersting take on "rivals" too. I never much compared Prince to Jackson (although I know it's common) beyond that they were both popular and effeminate black men. What was the first song or album that caught your ear? Neil Finn is the guy from Crowded House, right?

herb4 said:

TryWhistlingThis said:

Actually I only just turned 30 last week.

What got me into Prince? Good question. I always liked some of his songs but never quite enough to take him as an artist I could get passionate about. But as I got to know him more by reading about him, I actually realised that his tastes in music were aligned with mine as well as a lot of my favourite artsts are huge followers of his. Neil Finn is one of my favourite song writers and he helped to kick off my curiosity of Prince when he hired Wendy and Lisa for his 7 Worlds project back in 2001.

Neil is a massive Prince fan so part of my liking of Prince took off from there. I was also curious as to the comparisons between Prince and Michael Jackson. One thing I enjoy about my favourite bands is that they usually have an antagonist which I really like.

Beatles - Stones

Oasis - Blur

Pearl Jam - Nirvana

Guns n Roses - Metallica (kind of)

But the bottom line is that the music of Prince is what kept me here. All of the above things inspired my curiosity but without good music I wouldn't have come anywhere near as close a fan as I am now of Prince. A part of my knew that he was one of those artists i'd like too. I've always admired an artist that knows how to say "no" and stand by it.

Thanks for answering. I'm about to turn 48 and had a similar jouney except in the opposite direction. Prince led me down roads like you're describing. I was too young to know much about Sly, Parlaiment, James Brown, WAR or even Hendrix but once I heard the influcnces I started to seek things out.

.

Intersting take on "rivals" too. I never much compared Prince to Jackson (although I know it's common) beyond that they were both popular and effeminate black men. What was the first song or album that caught your ear? Neil Finn is the guy from Crowded House, right?

Neil is indeed the front man of Crowded House, yes. Though he's more solo and experimental side projects these days than he is Crowded House. They officially broke up in 1996 but reformed in the mid 2000s where they've since released two albums and toured for those albums respectively. But they're kind of on hiatus again. I think he has a short attention span.

I suppose I should give credit to Bono too who proclaims himself a great admirer. As a fan of U2 you cannot escape Bono's lauding of Prince.

I think the song that did it for me might have been Party Man from the Batman soundtrack. I first saw the film when I was just a kid and the scene with Jack Nicholson's joker storming into the art gallery and vandalising the place with green paint had me literally rolling over and laughing because it was such a contrast to the darker portrayal we saw of him up to that point. But with subsequent viewings I really paid attention to the music and hear that it was Prince.

I saw the film around when Diamonds and Pearls was released...it was a huge album in Australia so to be alive and not hear a cut from that album on the radio in that year meant you didn't own a radio. It was huge andI remember it well, despite only having learned to spell my name properly that year. Cream made a massive impact on me and so did the title track. Mum liked Prince a lot too but never owned any of his albums, Dad couldn't stand him. I didn't act on my liking of Prince until about twenty years after that. But he was always there in the background. In fact, it took me twenty years to realise that he was more than just a pop entertainer but a proper artist. Not to mention my surprise when I began to learn about all the songs he had written (Nothing Compares for one) and the fact that he was such a multi-instrumentalist.

And yes, I started with the Diamonds and Pearls album. I realise that might not be his most applauded work, but I really like it. It's an important album for me.

[Edited 3/12/15 19:27pm]

TryWhistlingThis said:

mrgone777 said:

Nice job on bringing in one of my favorites Michael Stipe, I hope that Prince has this circumspect view and there are so many peoples that want to see him return to stage in "peach and black" or "purple" or even a garter belt and panty hose and heels. I guess its cool that people care, and a preference of a particular era is fine.....but the intense negativity is a bit much in my opinion. Michael and Prince are familiar with each other or even respectful colleagues maybe friends....lets hope they share a peaceful space about "haters" that hate from love? BTW did you know that Prince used to contact Michael on a regular basis during his Symbol era to get REM to control their own masters? (both were on Warner Brothers at the time). Nice reasoned post though....very philosophical and smart.

No, I had no idea that Prince and Michael Stipe were ever in the same room actually. In fact I don't think i've heard of too many stories of any of my favourite artists actually meeting Prince. I was quietly amused when one of my favourite song writers, Noel Gallagher, actually tried to attend a party that Prince hosted back around 2010 or 2011. Noel got as far as the door but was denied admittance. Shame, I would have loved a story where the two exchange notes on their love of The Beatles and Hendrix.

Yeah I've been trying to find the article for you online believe it or not for the last 1 hour. I have it but can't remember the magazine and if it was Prince or Stipe being interviewed. But suring his symbol era when he was rebelling (rightfully) vs. Warner Brothers he was having what someone here in a 2004 post (search or google the words PRINCE and THE TALK) called "THE TALK" about owning your master tapes. He had the same talk with Bono. Here and there you hear about artists interacting with Prince and they are in awe of him or appreciate how brilliant he is as a musician and creative force.

I remember an 1980s interview with Jon Bon Jovi about a visit to Prince's house and how cool he thought that was and of what Prince played for them. Same think kinda from Dave Grohl of FooFighters during his Inglewood Forum concerts from 2011 (although our guy did stand up Dave on a proposed jam session according to Dave). He an Miles Davis were friends and the same with George Clinton, legends of course. I think musicians dig good musicians and can have relationships that cross all kinds of lines based on that......the music and broadcast industry are the ones who bring in all the economic, racial and basically destructive and non-creative energy that ends up segmenting and separating good musicians from the waiting ears of the public. They also spin these "tales" about who likes who and who dislikes the other etc.

Thanks again for the response.

TryWhistlingThis said:

herb4 said:

Thanks for answering. I'm about to turn 48 and blah blah blah

I suppose I should give credit to Bono too who proclaims himself a great admirer. As a fan of U2 you cannot escape Bono's lauding of Prince.

I think the song that did it for me might have been Party Man from the Batman soundtrack.

I saw the film around when Diamonds and Pearls was released...it was a huge album in Australia so to be alive and not hear a cut from that album on the radio in that year meant you didn't own a radio. It was huge andI remember it well, despite only having learned to spell my name properly that year. Cream made a massive impact on me and so did the title track.

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etc.

Thanks again for the response. Might make for a cool thread of its own:

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Younger Fans: What Got You Into Prince?

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I think it's hilarious that stuff like "Party Man", "Cream" and "Diamonds and Peals" sealed the deal for you with Prince being a serious artist and not a pop phenoomenon since those are some of his most blatantly commercial endeavors but, hey, tomato/tomahto and all that. What do you think of 1999, SOTT, Exodus or Dirty Mind? Have you heard "the Gold Experience"? If you like "Cream" you might like an artist named Marc Bolan who fronted a band called T-Rex. "Cream" is a direct rip off a song Bolan wrote called "Get it On (Bang a Gong)"

herb4 said:

Thanks again for the response.

TryWhistlingThis said:

I suppose I should give credit to Bono too who proclaims himself a great admirer. As a fan of U2 you cannot escape Bono's lauding of Prince.

I think the song that did it for me might have been Party Man from the Batman soundtrack.

I saw the film around when Diamonds and Pearls was released...it was a huge album in Australia so to be alive and not hear a cut from that album on the radio in that year meant you didn't own a radio. It was huge andI remember it well, despite only having learned to spell my name properly that year. Cream made a massive impact on me and so did the title track.

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etc.

I think it's hilarious that stuff like "Party Man", "Cream" and "Diamonds and Peals" sealed the deal for you with Prince being a serious artist and not a pop phenoomenon since those are some of his most blatantly commercial endeavors but, hey, tomato/tomahto and all that. What do you think of 1999, SOTT, Exodus or Dirty Mind? Have you heard "the Gold Experience"? If you like "Cream" you might like an artist named Marc Bolan who fronted a band called T-Rex. "Cream" is a direct rip off a song Bolan wrote called "Get it On (Bang a Gong)"

Well, that's teh generation gap. Honestly, that's how I initially saw Prince; a pop phenomenon. That's exactly why I've compared him to Michael Jackson for all these years. Not to mention that I describe the man himself as a cross between David Bowie and Michael Jackson. But of late i've seen a lot of Jimmy Hendrix too with some of the other works of Prince i've embraced.

Yes, I know the song "Get It On", mainly because it features one of the most ripped off rock riffs of all time. Though I don't consider "Cream" to be that much of a rip off. Listen to a song called "Cigarettes and Alcohol" by Oasis, their song is a lot closer to the T-Rex track than "Cream" ever was.

I don't have 1999, SOTT, Exodus or Dirty Mind (yet) but I do have The Gold Experience - I love that album, it's my second favourite album of Prince's. If ever the music industry needed songs like "Endorphinmachine", "Most Beautiful Girl", "Now", "319" or "Billy Jack Bitch", it's in 2015. Excellent excellent album, I love it. If he reissues it with all of the left over material and demos, i'd buy it on Day 1.

Yes it is because people aint shit these days. 30 years ago - before the cancer of the social media culture - people were worth more.

mrgone777 said:

Yeah I've been trying to find the article for you online believe it or not for the last 1 hour. I have it but can't remember the magazine and if it was Prince or Stipe being interviewed. But suring his symbol era when he was rebelling (rightfully) vs. Warner Brothers he was having what someone here in a 2004 post (search or google the words PRINCE and THE TALK) called "THE TALK" about owning your master tapes. He had the same talk with Bono. Here and there you hear about artists interacting with Prince and they are in awe of him or appreciate how brilliant he is as a musician and creative force.

How was Prince right in his fight against WB and how come REM got their masters and their guru Prince did not...?

Pentacle I believe Prince did get the rights to his catalogue/masters, from my understanding this is the reason he went back to Warners. http://www.billboard.com/...bum-coming

Pentacle said:

mrgone777 said:

Yeah I've been trying to find the article for you online believe it or not for the last 1 hour. I have it but can't remember the magazine and if it was Prince or Stipe being interviewed. But suring his symbol era when he was rebelling (rightfully) vs. Warner Brothers he was having what someone here in a 2004 post (search or google the words PRINCE and THE TALK) called "THE TALK" about owning your master tapes. He had the same talk with Bono. Here and there you hear about artists interacting with Prince and they are in awe of him or appreciate how brilliant he is as a musician and creative force.

How was Prince right in his fight against WB and how come REM got their masters and their guru Prince did not...?