Negative? maybe not! But crazy? Pfffttttt the Beyhive/Beygency are far WORSE!!!

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Why?! I just have never understood that... Why get angry over what somebody you don't even know does or doesn't do? Makes no sense. Either enjoy the music or do something else more worthwhile with your time.

I never received my downloads from 3rd Eye Girl site

See? See?

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Why?! I just have never understood that... Why get angry over what somebody you don't even know does or doesn't do? Makes no sense. Either enjoy the music or do something else more worthwhile with your time.

I never received my downloads from 3rd Eye Girl site

You probably did. I thought the same thing but the interface and links and the whole process were so bush league and counterintuitive that a lot of people thought they never got links ot the songs.

.

What songs did you miss?

herb4 said:

How are you drawing the distinction?

From Merriam-Webster:

Power:

the ability or right to control people or things

: political control of a country or area

: a person or organization that has a lot of control and influence over other people or organizations

That's a good question, I had to think about how I wanted to word my response.

Power is the authority to make decisions and the authority to have things done that you want done, or have them done the way you want them to be done. So I would say control falls under the umbrella of power, which seems to agree with Merriam-Webster.

I think the major difference between power and control is that power includes having a lot of authority and influence on people in general, while control is basically just micromanaging who and what you have the authority to micromanage.

Applying my response to Prince, he doesn't have the power to force radio stations to play his music or the power to force billions of fans to buy his albums or the power to force millions of fans to attend his concerts and he isn't trying to attain that power. However, he does have control in regards to where, when and what kind of concerts he schedules and he does have control in the songs he writes, who helps perform them and how they should sound when recorded, and which people he chooses to have in his life. He likes to micromanage. He's a perfectionist and workaholic who expects the same of others, and he makes sure everything is done exactly as he wants it to be done. That's a control freak, not a power freak. It's okay to be the former, but it's not okay to be the latter. He's the former, not the latter.

y'all must not know any heavy metal fans.

Gunsnhalen said:

y'all must not know any heavy metal fans.

dandan said:

Usually fans are the ones who give their artist the benfit of the doubt, but it appears that whilst the rest of the world are happy to see Prince when he pops up and casually enjoy what he does and puts out, we the so called fans are the ones shit on him the most

New Girl? People loved it we thought it was terrible. New albums? Good reviews, we thought they were shite. Grammys? Public "Prince is so cool", Org 'what the fuck was he wearing?'

I'm not having a go (hell, I'm as bad as they come) but I've just realised how strange it is and utterly unique. Prince has always been totally unique and so are we! I guess that's part of his infulence on us all.

Prince, I hate U, because I love you, but I cant love U, because I hate U.

[Edited 2/19/15 12:58pm]

Hey man you are right! I've lurked on this site for maybe 10 years and I can't get over how negative people are.....worse than sports fans. This is supposed to be about love for an artist that has change our lives or made our lives so much more rich. You can get hate from non-fans. Its remarkable that he put out two excellent albums (one spectacular in PlecElec and a departure from any collective work he has produced), been all over the media with rave reviews and performed outstanding concerts. What I saw in Portland, OR in spring 2014 was better than the sold out L.A. Sports Arena show I saw in 1988. Anyway, people should just create a "shit on Prince" site and leave this one if they hate the guy so much. My feeling is we need to applaud how he has moved forward as an artist....if people hate him because he isn't doing "1999 part XI" or "Purple Rain Version 18" should just admit that they are stuck in the past.....or just join the "shit on Prince" site.

Dogsinthetrees said:

In response to the original question, check out the Ween forum sometime (which, coincidentally has changed it's name to "The Clown Penis Forum" due to massive shit-talking on bandmembers, calling them fa66ot, and ni66er, and other awful names.) Yeah, nice "fans". This place is tame compared to that hellhole. I stopped going there a while ago. Ween never put their fans through what Mr. Nelson has. They allow, and even encourage recording of most of their live shows, and have put out plenty of official live releases as well. On a side note, the cover "Shockadelica" but they call it "L.M.L.Y.P.". Search it out if you want to know what the letters stand for. You may find a new band you like.

I miss Ween

herb4 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never received my downloads from 3rd Eye Girl site

You probably did. I thought the same thing but the interface and links and the whole process were so bush league and counterintuitive that a lot of people thought they never got links ot the songs.

.

What songs did you miss?

No, I actually didn't, I contacted them once and then after that I got ignored lol

I have everything now

I used to think Prince fans were bad. You haven't seen nothin' til you go to a Howard Stern forum. And he doesn't even seek out reasons for his fans to hate him. He just raised them that way. Prince, on the other hand goes out of his way to piss on his....

Askani said:

I used to think Prince fans were bad. You haven't seen nothin' til you go to a Howard Stern forum. And he doesn't even seek out reasons for his fans to hate him. He just raised them that way. Prince, on the other hand goes out of his way to piss on his....

How? Examples please? I would think Stern would be the one to go out of his way to piss people off....so in your opinion what does Prince do that is so horrible?

mrgone777 said:

dandan said:

Usually fans are the ones who give their artist the benfit of the doubt, but it appears that whilst the rest of the world are happy to see Prince when he pops up and casually enjoy what he does and puts out, we the so called fans are the ones shit on him the most

New Girl? People loved it we thought it was terrible. New albums? Good reviews, we thought they were shite. Grammys? Public "Prince is so cool", Org 'what the fuck was he wearing?'

I'm not having a go (hell, I'm as bad as they come) but I've just realised how strange it is and utterly unique. Prince has always been totally unique and so are we! I guess that's part of his infulence on us all.

Prince, I hate U, because I love you, but I cant love U, because I hate U.

[Edited 2/19/15 12:58pm]

Hey man you are right! I've lurked on this site for maybe 10 years and I can't get over how negative people are.....worse than sports fans. This is supposed to be about love for an artist that has change our lives or made our lives so much more rich. You can get hate from non-fans. Its remarkable that he put out two excellent albums (one spectacular in PlecElec and a departure from any collective work he has produced), been all over the media with rave reviews and performed outstanding concerts. What I saw in Portland, OR in spring 2014 was better than the sold out L.A. Sports Arena show I saw in 1988. Anyway, people should just create a "shit on Prince" site and leave this one if they hate the guy so much. My feeling is we need to applaud how he has moved forward as an artist....if people hate him because he isn't doing "1999 part XI" or "Purple Rain Version 18" should just admit that they are stuck in the past.....or just join the "shit on Prince" site.

It's because of who he is and what he represents: feminine, short, etc. -- things that don't impress people in a man BUT (initially) handsomely compensated by his multiple talents, and that word, "genius". Add his passive agressive attitude toward others, and you have the perfecti "man you love to hate" but also "the man you hate to love". As well, geniuses are often true assholes, not just Prince.

In the end, the way people talk about Prince is really not impressive. I guess they want to return the condescension they feel.

mrgone777 said:

Askani said:

I used to think Prince fans were bad. You haven't seen nothin' til you go to a Howard Stern forum. And he doesn't even seek out reasons for his fans to hate him. He just raised them that way. Prince, on the other hand goes out of his way to piss on his....

How? Examples please? I would think Stern would be the one to go out of his way to piss people off....so in your opinion what does Prince do that is so horrible?

suing them. charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

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Askani said:

mrgone777 said:

How? Examples please? I would think Stern would be the one to go out of his way to piss people off....so in your opinion what does Prince do that is so horrible?

suing them. charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

[Edited 3/3/15 18:12pm]

yeah i'd like more because these seem like inconveniences rather than "abusive." i got into a discussion with someone on facebook about the same thing (Prince suing people etec.). you can't get something for nothing and if an entity/artist/organization explicitly says don't use our/my content without permission it should be clear that consequences will be suffered by violators. as someone who works in a creative field I like to get paid for my work and not have people or companies use my intellectual property on the cheap. he should sue people who violate the privileges they have as fans. fact: he donates money without publicity....we paid from $187-$350 to see him in Portland and the majority of the proceeds went to local inner city school music programs. All done without seeking the limelight. http://www.nme.com/news/prince/70100

Askani said:

mrgone777 said:

How? Examples please? I would think Stern would be the one to go out of his way to piss people off....so in your opinion what does Prince do that is so horrible?

suing them. charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

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1. I've never been sued by Prince.

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2. That $77 got me into several Prince shows & at the front of the line instantaneously. That $77 was worth more than that to me several times over.

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Been a fan of anything is all about perspective. Most Prince fans in the world likely aren't even here at prince.org. Instead you have the vocal (and somewhat crazy) internet minority.

[Edited 3/3/15 19:43pm]

skywalker said:

Askani said:

suing them. charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

[Edited 3/3/15 18:12pm]

1. I've never been sued by Prince.

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2. That $77 got me into several Prince shows & at the front of the line instantaneously. That $77 was worth more than that to me several times over.

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Been a fan of anything is all about perspective. Most Prince fans in the world likely aren't even here at prince.org. Instead you have the vocal (and somewhat crazy) internet minority.

[Edited 3/3/15 19:43pm]

Bingo! You sound like a true "fan" skywalker!

For me it's simple. Prince is an artist, a true artist....not many around these days. Of course he gets paid but dude is perfectly fine banging out track after track for the sheer joy of creating. For all on the org who appreciate art how can you hate on that?

Prince treats his fans much better than most, dude literally has opened up his home to strangers and i don't see that happening to often ...if ever, from anyone of his stature. And more importatnly..I have a life....kids...wife...career...filled with all sorts of energy, some of it's good, some bad. Why in the world would someone with any of the latter spend time spewing so much negativity energy on another man on his journey through his life?

Askani said:

mrgone777 said:

How? Examples please? I would think Stern would be the one to go out of his way to piss people off....so in your opinion what does Prince do that is so horrible?

charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

1 month of updates? Damn, Did you subscribe one month before they changed policy?

$77 Dollars got me

The ONA 3 box set with bonus 4th CD deliverd to my house.
ONA piano cd deliverd to my house
A albums worth of downloadable music
2nd row tickets to one of his shows and 13th row at one of his shows




Ohh wait Edit
Did you join lotusflower crap site... so sorry

popgodazipa said:

For me it's simple. Prince is an artist, a true artist....not many around these days. Of course he gets paid but dude is perfectly fine banging out track after track for the sheer joy of creating. For all on the org who appreciate art how can you hate on that?

Prince treats his fans much better than most, dude literally has opened up his home to strangers and i don't see that happening to often ...if ever, from anyone of his stature. And more importatnly..I have a life....kids...wife...career...filled with all sorts of energy, some of it's good, some bad. Why in the world would someone with any of the latter spend time spewing so much negativity energy on another man on his journey through his life?

High Five! I get the feeling that he is a good dude that like all of us has his rough edges. I also feel that he has learned from the rock and roll legends who got absolutely reamed out over the years (Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Ike & Tina, Rosetta all the way up to Sly [who just got paid] and George Clinton)....he has learned to protect his "brand" ferociously. Why shouldn't he...he has earned that right and more power to him. To protect his "brand" he has to bring the hammer out when challenged....to that I say...RESPECT!

FragileUndertow said:

Askani said:

charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

1 month of updates? Damn, Did you subscribe one month before they changed policy?

$77 Dollars got me

The ONA 3 box set with bonus 4th CD deliverd to my house.
ONA piano cd deliverd to my house
A albums worth of downloadable music
2nd row tickets to one of his shows and 13th row at one of his shows




Ohh wait Edit
Did you join lotusflower crap site... so sorry

that's the one....

skywalker said:

Askani said:

suing them. charging them $77 for a year's membership with 1 month's worth of updates. need more?

[Edited 3/3/15 18:12pm]

1. I've never been sued by Prince.

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2. That $77 got me into several Prince shows & at the front of the line instantaneously. That $77 was worth more than that to me several times over.

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Been a fan of anything is all about perspective. Most Prince fans in the world likely aren't even here at prince.org. Instead you have the vocal (and somewhat crazy) internet minority.

[Edited 3/3/15 19:43pm]

the lotusflow3r site got you into several shows? which ones? 2009 had very few shows.

Back in the day when I had no money, I still found ways give Prince money for his product. When you have no money, luxuries like new music are a real hardship to fund and, really, shouldn't even be considered when putting food on the table is more important. However, when a new Prince album dropped I bought it without hesitation, even if it meant not eating that day (or the next).

Now I am older and have moved on in life. I can afford a lot more new music. Whereas a Prince album 20+ years ago constituded 90% of my wealth, today it constitutes next to nothing in terms of my wealth.

What does that have to do with anything? Well, if you ask me why I get so mad at Prince at times, it is because here I am, able to afford so much more product than I could back then, and here is Prince with so much product to offer, and he just will not exploit that fact. I imagine most of his fans are in the same predicament. We are middle aged now. We have some disposable income and would be very willing to part with some of it for what we know Prince could offer us. But he doesnt, he wont and instead does stupid things like sue his fans or try and rip us off with crap websites. He offers us [mostly] sub standard stuff whilst the real gold stays under lock and key.

thats why I get mad at him sometimes. And that is why I sometimes disclose my displeasure here on the org. I feel I have every right to complain when I think back at how hard it was sometimes to part with money and give it to Prince, yet I somehow managed, I found a way. I scrimped and saved and sometimes suffered in order to give Prince money because I was a devoted fan. Now I want to give him more money than I could have dreamed of giving him back then, and he wont fucking sell me the good stuff. Come on Prince, Im tired of skimmed milk, sell me the fucking cream!

mrgone777 said:

popgodazipa said:

For me it's simple. Prince is an artist, a true artist....not many around these days. Of course he gets paid but dude is perfectly fine banging out track after track for the sheer joy of creating. For all on the org who appreciate art how can you hate on that?

Prince treats his fans much better than most, dude literally has opened up his home to strangers and i don't see that happening to often ...if ever, from anyone of his stature. And more importatnly..I have a life....kids...wife...career...filled with all sorts of energy, some of it's good, some bad. Why in the world would someone with any of the latter spend time spewing so much negativity energy on another man on his journey through his life?

High Five! I get the feeling that he is a good dude that like all of us has his rough edges. I also feel that he has learned from the rock and roll legends who got absolutely reamed out over the years (Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Ike & Tina, Rosetta all the way up to Sly [who just got paid] and George Clinton)....he has learned to protect his "brand" ferociously. Why shouldn't he...he has earned that right and more power to him. To protect his "brand" he has to bring the hammer out when challenged....to that I say...RESPECT!

Fair enough, but how does suing a dancing baby on YouTube factor into all that? Or the shitty unmaintainted websites and thier "lifetime memberships"? Or the Crystal Ball and Love4oneAnother nonsense? None of that has to with protecting his brand, does it?

Rebeljuice said:

Back in the day when I had no money, I still found ways give Prince money for his product. When you have no money, luxuries like new music are a real hardship to fund and, really, shouldn't even be considered when putting food on the table is more important. However, when a new Prince album dropped I bought it without hesitation, even if it meant not eating that day (or the next).

Now I am older and have moved on in life. I can afford a lot more new music. Whereas a Prince album 20+ years ago constituded 90% of my wealth, today it constitutes next to nothing in terms of my wealth.

What does that have to do with anything? Well, if you ask me why I get so mad at Prince at times, it is because here I am, able to afford so much more product than I could back then, and here is Prince with so much product to offer, and he just will not exploit that fact. I imagine most of his fans are in the same predicament. We are middle aged now. We have some disposable income and would be very willing to part with some of it for what we know Prince could offer us. But he doesnt, he wont and instead does stupid things like sue his fans or try and rip us off with crap websites. He offers us [mostly] sub standard stuff whilst the real gold stays under lock and key.

thats why I get mad at him sometimes. And that is why I sometimes disclose my displeasure here on the org. I feel I have every right to complain when I think back at how hard it was sometimes to part with money and give it to Prince, yet I somehow managed, I found a way. I scrimped and saved and sometimes suffered in order to give Prince money because I was a devoted fan. Now I want to give him more money than I could have dreamed of giving him back then, and he wont fucking sell me the good stuff. Come on Prince, Im tired of skimmed milk, sell me the fucking cream!

Exactly.

It's not like we're part of the anonymous millions who bought Purple Rain like they bought Thriller.

We're the ones that made the 12 inches go off the wrecka stow shelves.
So, the poor thing starved and smelled McDonald's... Well, I can't tell you how many fast food lunches
I missed in favour of the latest maxi-single, crappy (Anotherloverholenyohead) or not (Kiss, Mountains).

Why is he still chasing some wide acceptance that won't ever come? Moreover, now that money is secure?

I mean, how much money do you need for living? He probably could live on "Kiss" airplay royalties only.

He should be proud to have such a devotion from his public, no matter of how much people the public is composed.
He should feel relaxed and give up this idea that he owes to the public his status.

He does not own his success (or better, aura) to to the public.
He owes it to us, hardcore fans.

We orgers are pretty much like Steve Jobs fans back when he was introducing the first iPod.
We knew way before mass(?) adoption that the man was right.

We're the ones that defended Prince in the schoolyard when everybody laughed at his shoes and mascara.
We're the ones that stood for him, for his music.

So what's up with all these rehashes and reruns of himself since Musicology?
I can understand the ego, the desire to spread your songs to the widest audience.
But if the world had good taste generally, we would know by now.

So why is he still acting as if he has something to prove, or a new public to gain ?
The time has come for him to embrace sophistication, craftsmanship, and wit again.

"The Gold Standard" is just irony. But not the funny one. "Hey people, here's a pale idea/concept of what did best back in the days. Deal with it".
What unnerves me the most is seeing him so close to major insular artists like Dylan, Mitchell, Bush,

and yet being so far from the intelligence and sensibility those artists show in their post-forties albums.

They all display transformation, digestion, forgiveness, and adult issues.
Thank god for AOA, which contains the first signs of a self-analysis without a glass of Porto.
But compared to "Oh Mercy" (Bob Dylan, 1989), all AOA lyrics sound like some late post-Peter Pan syndrome.

It's time for his music and his persona to definitely grow up.
Right now, he still seems stuck with his own ghost, his reflection.

I see no other solution for him but to kill Prince once again.
If that's the price for artistic rebirth.

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Askani said:

skywalker said:

1. I've never been sued by Prince.

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2. That $77 got me into several Prince shows & at the front of the line instantaneously. That $77 was worth more than that to me several times over.

-

Been a fan of anything is all about perspective. Most Prince fans in the world likely aren't even here at prince.org. Instead you have the vocal (and somewhat crazy) internet minority.

[Edited 3/3/15 19:43pm]

the lotusflow3r site got you into several shows? which ones? 2009 had very few shows.

One in LA and the show at Paisley Park. No fuss. No mess. Lotusflow3r member ship gave me wristbands and a fast track to the front at both.

bonatoc said:

"The Gold Standard" is just irony. But not the funny one. "Hey people, here's a pale idea/concept of what did best back in the days. Deal with it".
What unnerves me the most is seeing him so close to major insular artists like Dylan, Mitchell, Bush,

and yet being so far from the intelligence and sensibility those artists show in their post-forties albums.

They all display transformation, digestion, forgiveness, and adult issues.
Thank god for AOA, which contains the first signs of a self-analysis without a glass of Porto.
But compared to "Oh Mercy" (Bob Dylan, 1989), all AOA lyrics sound like some late post-Peter Pan syndrome.

It's time for his music and his persona to definitely grow up.
Right now, he still seems stuck with his own ghost, his reflection.

I see no other solution for him but to kill Prince once again.
If that's the price for artistic rebirth.

It's odd to me that people keep bringing up artists like Bob Dylan and such as a template for how to age gracefully/evolve as a musician.

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Bob Dylan in his 20's and 30's (in terms of his presence, presentation, expression, lyrics, and artistry) isn't much of a leap to Dylan in his 60's. For better or worse.

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Bob Dylan (purposefully) sounded and acted like an old man when he was young. Dylan's whole gimmick (yeah I said it) is based off of people like Woody Guthrie, etc. as much as Prince's persona is based off of James, Jimi, and Little Richard.

Dylan cultivated an image for himself that was basically one of being an "wise old man" at a young age. Again, it's odd that you expect Prince to settle into the role of "wise old folk hermit."

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Prince is/was always more of a rock star/sex icon than people like Joni Mitchell, Dylan, and Kate Bush. Very little dance, music, sex, romance involved with the artists you mentioned. People thought Dylan was provoking, but they weren't throwing panties onstage to him.

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A better artist to compare Prince to would be a fellow sex god like Mick Jagger.

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I think comparisons to Bowie or Stevie Wonder are alright, but even Bowie's fans don't agree on the merits of EVERY single album of his. They just aren't usually assholes about it. As far as Stevie goes, he's definitely THE genius of music, but was he ever really the rock/sex god that Prince is/was? If not, it's another ill fitting comparison.

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I'd say Prince has aged more gracefully than I would have expected and you should be happy he hasn't devolved into self parody like Madonna is starting to and MJ did. Prince's aristry is still paramount, anyone who says otherwise is a music snob.

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Lastly, I've seen Bob Dylan live several times and he is VERY hit or miss...usually more of a miss. Genius lyricist, historically important, yet not someone I'd point to as THE paragon of excellence of all that is great in the entire spectrum of music.

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skywalker said:

bonatoc said:

"The Gold Standard" is just irony. But not the funny one. "Hey people, here's a pale idea/concept of what did best back in the days. Deal with it".
What unnerves me the most is seeing him so close to major insular artists like Dylan, Mitchell, Bush,

and yet being so far from the intelligence and sensibility those artists show in their post-forties albums.

They all display transformation, digestion, forgiveness, and adult issues.
Thank god for AOA, which contains the first signs of a self-analysis without a glass of Porto.
But compared to "Oh Mercy" (Bob Dylan, 1989), all AOA lyrics sound like some late post-Peter Pan syndrome.

It's time for his music and his persona to definitely grow up.
Right now, he still seems stuck with his own ghost, his reflection.

I see no other solution for him but to kill Prince once again.
If that's the price for artistic rebirth.

It's odd to me that people keep bringing up artists like Bob Dylan and such as a template for how to age gracefully/evolve as a musician.

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Bob Dylan in his 20's and 30's (in terms of his presence, presentation, expression, lyrics, and artistry) isn't much of a leap to Dylan in his 60's. For better or worse.

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Bob Dylan (purposefully) sounded and acted like an old man when he was young. Dylan's whole gimmick (yeah I said it) is based off of people like Woody Guthrie, etc. as much as Prince's persona is based off of James, Jimi, and Little Richard.

Dylan cultivated an image for himself that was basically one of being an "wise old man" at a young age. Again, it's odd that you expect Prince to settle into the role of "wise old folk hermit."

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Prince is/was always more of a rock star/sex icon than people like Joni Mitchell, Dylan, and Kate Bush. Very little dance, music, sex, romance involved with the artists you mentioned. People thought Dylan was provoking, but they weren't throwing panties onstage to him.

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A better artist to compare Prince to would be a fellow sex god like Mick Jagger.

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I think comparisons to Bowie or Stevie Wonder are alright, but even Bowie's fans don't agree on the merits of EVERY single album of his. They just aren't usually assholes about it. As far as Stevie goes, he's definitely THE genius of music, but was he ever really the rock/sex god that Prince is/was? If not, it's another ill fitting comparison.

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I'd say Prince has aged more gracefully than I would have expected and you should be happy he hasn't devolved into self parody like Madonna is starting to and MJ did. Prince's aristry is still paramount, anyone who says otherwise is a music snob.

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Lastly, I've seen Bob Dylan live several times and he is VERY hit or miss...usually more of a miss. Genius lyricist, historically important, yet not someone I'd point to as THE paragon of excellence of all that is great in the entire spectrum of music.

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You are on the money, I think people bring up Dylan because there is national consensus about his worth as an artist. Like a lot of Black Rockers not named Jimi Hendrix, there is scant consensus about contributions to the rock music their forefathers helped create. I only brought up the other artists as a way of contextualizing Prince's current work which is foward thinking and in the case of PlecElect different from what he had done recently (last 10 years) and over his 35 year recorded career. MJ would have had a hard time resurrecting his career if he had lived and Madonna did have a post-Material Girl period (1997-2003) where I actually enjoyed her albums more....I loved "Ray of Light" and "Music" for example and the one about the "Dance Floor" was quite good.

Your comments are thoughtful, incisive and withot the negative vitriol I've seen from a percentage of posters that want Prince to recreate his 1980s approach. For me its 2015 and his work from 2013-2015 is better than his outpug fro 1995-2005.....I'm really enjoying these two new cds and can't wait for the next batch....he has hit another muse and maybe 3RDEYEGIRL is inspiring him?

I was not comparing Prince to these artists.

Prince has a very unique trajectory and established a universe of its own.

It's about they way they deal with their late years and careers.

Macca and Sting tried classical music, Springsteen gave us a post 9/11 album...

What I'm trying to say is that these artists seem to be able to step back from what they were,

or rather make their art evolve with the times, and their lifetimes.
You don't know enough Dylan if you don't notice the progression in the themes, in the lyrics over the years.
Dylan has a very adult approach to his craft nowadays. "Time Out Of Mind" is not "Blood On The Tracks".
Don't underestimate Dylan.
He's a very important poet. With so many styles.
He's the greatest curator of the musical styles that eventually merged into Rock'n'Roll.
Unless you've heard the Bootleg Series and understood the infinite ways he can rearrange a song, you don't know shit about Dylan.
Unless you experienced the totally opposite feelings he can drag out of the same song, the same lyrics only by changing the mood, you don't know shit about Dylan.
One version of the song is regrets and redemption, the other is coming on her with great vengeance.
WITH THE SAME LYRICS.
No one I know write lyrics as good as Dylan's.
No wonder he semi-raps them. Sung well, it would be too much, over the top, an annoying preacher.
He can sing : ever "Lay Lady Lay"? This is comedian Bob, much like "International Lover".
He just chooses to speak his heart loud on ageless melodies. Craft and experience do the quality.
But you can strip anything from Dylan's work to a bare guitar/voice solo set, it's still good fuckin'blues or rock'n'roll.
Closing on Dylan, I have to put the usual emphasis on "Blood On The Tracks".
If you ever experienced a divorce or a major breakup, and the songs (in sequence, please, do yourself a favour)
don't ring a bell somewhere in your heart, in your soul, I don't know what will.

See? Dylan makes me intolerant.
So does Prince.
Their lights shine so bright to your eyes once you've entered, accepted and embraced the artist's frame of mind — calling it "gimmicks" is so pedantic. Based on this, everything is a gimmick — you get mad at anyone who cannot see the light as bright as you do. "It's right in fornt of you, man! Don't you HEAR it? How can you not hear it?"
You get mad because you know you've been one of those who did not care, and now you're changed for ever, just with some songs.
Which is proof that your fellow can be a candidate to share the experience with.
He/she just doesn't know him yet.
But you, the Prince zealot, are going to spread the good word.
Yeah, I'm crazy and negative as a soldier betrayed, left forgotten in the trenches can get.

Most of Prince's recent lyrics, and his album sequencings

(a little dance, a little slow for the lovers, a little techno joint),
adopt the same pattern ad nauseam.
Always the same recipe.
And his refusal of opening up to new musicians or producers, this self-made man obsession,
just makes his music more and more self-centered and paranoid : "Here comes the Purple Yoda"? Really?
Gimme a break. Smoke a spliff, do something man, relax.
Get down to heart, Miss Garbo.

He should be producing and giving songs away like a maniac.
To everyone : Rihanna, Timberlake, Beyonce, I mean he should flood them weekly.
Empty the Vault, it's yardsale time.
But no, he's in some kind of competition with himself about filling the Vault shelves "to da maximom", apparently.

Not all wines age gracefully. Some have to be sipped in 6 years or they turn to vinegar, some are exceptional after a hundred.

The Vault is not filled with Châteaux Latour bottles, far from it.
We're crazy and negative because Prince forces us to be pirates, and then sues us.
We're the first in line for tickets. We'll be the first in line for a "Bootleg Series" equivalence.

He's looking for mass adoption, to the point where "too many hits!", and other megalomaniac phrases, annoy newbies and aficionados alike during live appearances,
where the "Purple Rain" coda becomes more and more inflated year after year,
losing little by little its essence in some kinda of banner-wavering-for-nothing hymn, that he repeats until it's embarassing
even for the ones who started the "whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo" right from the intro.



If that alone doesn't drive you mad, you're insane.

bonatoc said:

I was not comparing Prince to these artists.

Prince has a very unique trajectory and established a universe of its own.

It's about they way they deal with their late years and careers.

Macca and Sting tried classical music, Springsteen gave us a post 9/11 album...

What I'm trying to say is that these artists seem to be able to step back from what they were,

or rather make their art evolve with the times, and their lifetimes.
You don't know enough Dylan if you don't notice the progression in the themes, in the lyrics over the years.
Dylan has a very adult approach to his craft nowadays. "Time Out Of Mind" is not "Blood On The Tracks".
Don't underestimate Dylan.
He's a very important poet. With so many styles.
He's the greatest curator of the musical styles that eventually merged into Rock'n'Roll.
Unless you've heard the Bootleg Series and understood the infinite ways he can rearrange a song, you don't know shit about Dylan.
Unless you experienced the totally opposite feelings he can drag out of the same song, the same lyrics only by changing the mood, you don't know shit about Dylan.
One version of the song is regrets and redemption, the other is coming on her with great vengeance.
WITH THE SAME LYRICS.
No one I know write lyrics as good as Dylan's.
No wonder he semi-raps them. Sung well, it would be too much, over the top, an annoying preacher.
He can sing : ever "Lay Lady Lay"? This is comedian Bob, much like "International Lover".
He just chooses to speak his heart loud on ageless melodies. Craft and experience do the quality.
But you can strip anything from Dylan's work to a bare guitar/voice solo set, it's still good fuckin'blues or rock'n'roll.
Closing on Dylan, I have to put the usual emphasis on "Blood On The Tracks".
If you ever experienced a divorce or a major breakup, and the songs (in sequence, please, do yourself a favour)
don't ring a bell somewhere in your heart, in your soul, I don't know what will.

See? Dylan makes me intolerant.
So does Prince.
Their lights shine so bright to your eyes once you've entered, accepted and embraced the artist's frame of mind — calling it "gimmicks" is so pedantic. Based on this, everything is a gimmick — you get mad at anyone who cannot see the light as bright as you do. "It's right in fornt of you, man! Don't you HEAR it? How can you not hear it?"
You get mad because you know you've been one of those who did not care, and now you're changed for ever, just with some songs.
Which is proof that your fellow can be a candidate to share the experience with.
He/she just doesn't know him yet.
But you, the Prince zealot, are going to spread the good word.
Yeah, I'm crazy and negative as a soldier betrayed, left forgotten in the trenches can get.

Most of Prince's recent lyrics, and his album sequencings

(a little dance, a little slow for the lovers, a little techno joint),
adopt the same pattern ad nauseam.
Always the same recipe.
And his refusal of opening up to new musicians or producers, this self-made man obsession,
just makes his music more and more self-centered and paranoid : "Here comes the Purple Yoda"? Really?
Gimme a break. Smoke a spliff, do something man, relax.
Get down to heart, Miss Garbo.

He should be producing and giving songs away like a maniac.
To everyone : Rihanna, Timberlake, Beyonce, I mean he should flood them weekly.
Empty the Vault, it's yardsale time.
But no, he's in some kind of competition with himself about filling the Vault shelves "to da maximom", apparently.

Not all wines age gracefully. Some have to be sipped in 6 years or they turn to vinegar, some are exceptional after a hundred.

The Vault is not filled with Châteaux Latour bottles, far from it.
We're crazy and negative because Prince forces us to be pirates, and then sues us.
We're the first in line for tickets. We'll be the first in line for a "Bootleg Series" equivalence.

He's looking for mass adoption, to the point where "too many hits!", and other megalomaniac phrases, annoy newbies and aficionados alike during live appearances,
where the "Purple Rain" coda becomes more and more inflated year after year,
losing little by little its essence in some kinda of banner-wavering-for-nothing hymn, that he repeats until it's embarassing
even for the ones who started the "whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo" right from the intro.



If that alone doesn't drive you mad, you're insane.

You have A LOT of good points.

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That said, what you wrote is way more about your tastes/preferences/expectations/wishes as a music fan, than it is about Prince at all.

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Prince asks, "..was I what u wanted me 2 be?" Your post screams of a longtime fan saying, "no."

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That's cool. Different strokes and all that. Still, I appreciate you taking the time and effort to illustrate your point.