Usually fans are the ones who give their artist the benfit of the doubt, but it appears that whilst the rest of the world are happy to see Prince when he pops up and casually enjoy what he does and puts out, we the so called fans are the ones shit on him the most

New Girl? People loved it we thought it was terrible. New albums? Good reviews, we thought they were shite. Grammys? Public "Prince is so cool", Org 'what the fuck was he wearing?'

I'm not having a go (hell, I'm as bad as they come) but I've just realised how strange it is and utterly unique. Prince has always been totally unique and so are we! I guess that's part of his infulence on us all.

Prince, I hate U, because I love you, but I cant love U, because I hate U.

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That does seem to sum up many of the "fans" on this site...

Are other artists as crazy and negative as Prince?

The org seems to be made up of three main types of fans:

-The people who hate him and everything he's put out since 1988 and still wish it was said year or earlier. This appears to be the majorty but I could be wrong because I honestly mostly lurk the boards. I only post when I feel like it, like now.

-The complete opposite, the man is literally Jesus reborn in these peoples eyes. This is in the small majorty.

-Then theres the people like me that accept that Prince is still human has his good points and his bad points. I don't like EVERY song the man has put out in his whole discography.

People need to remember that even though the guy is a musical genius and might not make the best decisions at times, he's still human and can make mistakes. I'm honestly tempted to draw out Prince.org stereotypes such as 'the avid bootleg collector' or the 'I hate Prince so much but I still listen to his music on a daily basis' types lmao.

Angelsoncrack said:

The org seems to be made up of three main types of fans:

-The people who hate him and everything he's put out since 1988 and still wish it was said year or earlier. This appears to be the majorty but I could be wrong because I honestly mostly lurk the boards. I only post when I feel like it, like now.

-The complete opposite, the man is literally Jesus reborn in these peoples eyes. This is in the small majorty.

-Then theres the people like me that accept that Prince is still human has his good points and his bad points. I don't like EVERY song the man has put out in his whole discography.

People need to remember that even though the guy is a musical genius and might not make the best decisions at times, he's still human and can make mistakes. I'm honestly tempted to draw out Prince.org stereotypes such as 'the avid bootleg collector' or the 'I hate Prince so much but I still listen to his music on a daily basis' types lmao.

Spot on.

Prince is somewhat unique in being so popular, still active a lot and being super paranoid about his own image to the point of threatening lawsuits against his own fans.

but... in answer to your question, yes:

http://www.greasylake.org...is-forum/

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Yes...there are other fan music sites that are just as crazy as this one. Die hards ripping up their favorite band or artist because they don't make music they way they used to...P has nothing to prove to me..He's done it all. If he retired today I would have no problem with it.

I only occasionally drop in on other artist's forums, but similar things seem to happen on them in my limited experience--at least with people of somewhat comparable status and longevity. New artists, I'm guessing, might have mostly positive fanbases--but such artists haven't had time to change away from their fans, or to have their fans grow in different directions. Add to that Prince's eclecticism--a lot of fans never were on the boat for every style he works in, so when he's not doing the genre they do like, they're not on board.

.

But I don't think it's all that remarkable that with as much product in as many styles over as many years that the fanbase can have such strong opinions. Bowie and Dylan fans I know can be pretty intense too. I'm sure there are others.

Angelsoncrack said:

The org seems to be made up of three main types of fans:

-The people who hate him and everything he's put out since 1988 and still wish it was said year or earlier. This appears to be the majorty but I could be wrong because I honestly mostly lurk the boards. I only post when I feel like it, like now.

-The complete opposite, the man is literally Jesus reborn in these peoples eyes. This is in the small majorty.

-Then theres the people like me that accept that Prince is still human has his good points and his bad points. I don't like EVERY song the man has put out in his whole discography.

People need to remember that even though the guy is a musical genius and might not make the best decisions at times, he's still human and can make mistakes. I'm honestly tempted to draw out Prince.org stereotypes such as 'the avid bootleg collector' or the 'I hate Prince so much but I still listen to his music on a daily basis' types lmao.

Most people on this site are a variation of the third description, not the first or the second. I'd say the ranking is:

Fans that follow him despite being frequently disappointed, who believe he's uniquely talented but that know he can be a dick and make questionable choices (like a couple of people on this planet). They enjoy some music made in the last decade.

Fans that are here as collectors or habitual Orgers, more or less disparage almost everything he's done for several years, sometimes a decade or two, but still either have a long habit of coming on tghe Org or still cherish a couple of years of his career dearly.

Fans that think he's absolutely totally the greatest person in the history of civilisation besides Ghandi, Jesus, etc : these are only a very few , there used to be more admitted Prince absolutists here, but I guess Prince is veryh good at discouraging idolatry.

Why do you think crazyness/negativity and fandom are mutually exclusive?

Remember Mark Chapman?

Fanboyism is a dangerous business

KingSausage said:

I think part of the dynamic here is that the average person/non-fan hasn't heard much or any Prince music since 1991. We, the dedicated fans, have been debating his ups and downs since the public stopped paying attention. It makes sense that we would be more critical.

"We, the dedicated fans"......

nuttynutmeg said:

nuttynutmeg said:

I loved New Girl and still watch that episode, I listen to AOA at least twice a week and was very excited to see him pop up at the Golden Globes and Grammy's. I'm not a fan that thinks he can do no wrong and I will speak up when I disagree with something he does, but I won't shit on him for the choices me makes. It's his life and career not mine.

Imagine if Bob Dylan went to his Manager in the 1960's...and said..."Hey, I've got this song...Blowin' In The Wind," but I think I want to replace it on the album with this other song where it sounds like somebody pressing buttons on farm equipment....and I got this other song here called Like A Rolling Stone...nope...not on the album, and I'm gonna replace it with this song called....Jughead....or this other song called My Name Is Bob Dylan...and I'm gonna have some asswipe shouting about manure at the end..."

And Bob Dylan's touring plans? Well, you see, some shows will be so legendary that I'll be famous forever. But I will have some tours where I try to be bad. I'll get this background singer, you see...she will have a really wonderful voice, but instead of having her sing most of the time, she'll just stomp her feet, and scream at the top of her lungs..."Put Your Hands Up." And she'll do it over 100 times. Not just 2 or 3. She'll be the true crowd flunky.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Treating your fans like a million bucks one moment, suing them the next. $77 websites that go away, and then putting 77 tracks on 20Ten the next year to make fun of the poor peasants who spent their money on the site.

Things like that. That's why some are "Negative."

Most are just honest. Sure you have the Bart Van Halens of the world who hate every single thing he has ever done since 1989, and can't site a single positive thing...

And you have the "Corporate America Robot" who says every single time Prince blew his nose, that it should have been put on a 40 disc boxset for the brilliance.

So you have it all here.

RodeoSchro said:

Angelsoncrack said:

The org seems to be made up of three main types of fans:

-The people who hate him and everything he's put out since 1988 and still wish it was said year or earlier. This appears to be the majorty but I could be wrong because I honestly mostly lurk the boards. I only post when I feel like it, like now.

-The complete opposite, the man is literally Jesus reborn in these peoples eyes. This is in the small majorty.

-Then theres the people like me that accept that Prince is still human has his good points and his bad points. I don't like EVERY song the man has put out in his whole discography.

People need to remember that even though the guy is a musical genius and might not make the best decisions at times, he's still human and can make mistakes. I'm honestly tempted to draw out Prince.org stereotypes such as 'the avid bootleg collector' or the 'I hate Prince so much but I still listen to his music on a daily basis' types lmao.

Spot on.

While I agree with most of what you say, one very important fact has been left out. Prince , over the past two plus decades has treated his hard core fans horribly. Because his hard core fans are human beings, this has created bad feelings and animosity. Some of those feelings are vented out on this site. I'm sure some of the folks on this site would be a little more willing to rally around their hero's latest release or be a little more forgiving when he mis-steps if he hadn't

- Sued and shut down Uptown Magazine and a few other FANZINES.

- Sued and shut down the HOUSQUAKE fansite

- Opened his own poorly managed websites, offered lifetime memberships , and then shut those sites down within a year while pocketing our cash ( Hey brother, our lifetime didn't end when you decided to lose interest in websites)

- Threatened to sue have THIS SITE closed.

- Sued or attempted to sue fans who, out of love an admiration, post his music or videos online.

- Crystal Ball debacle

- One Night Alone Debacle

- Lotus Debacle

There's so much stuff I could go on and on. Point is, his hard core fans are human beings and he has kind of crapped on them a bit. So, I would imagine that there is a lot of animosity bewteen P and his hardcore fans. Keep in mind, he has never apologized for any of this stuff. So , I believe some of that pent up anger filters out on this site.

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interesting that the OP said "we". i don't color with those pencils

I just think that the average casual fan hasnt experienced the let downs people who follow him quite closely have or just not taken notice.

He sets himself up in a way that he does dissapoint people who are waiting for things/support him and its caused alot of fans opinions to change over the years who have lost patience with it all.

Generally artists will have people who advise them with Public Relations and things that helps paint them in a good way, Can you imagine someone trying to Advise Prince that what he's been doing for years is all wrong?

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chrisslope9 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Spot on.

While I agree with most of what you say, one very important fact has been left out. Prince , over the past two plus decades has treated his hard core fans horribly. Because his hard core fans are human beings, this has created bad feelings and animosity. Some of those feelings are vented out on this site. I'm sure some of the folks on this site would be a little more willing to rally around their hero's latest release or be a little more forgiving when he mis-steps if he hadn't

- Sued and shut down Uptown Magazine and a few other FANZINES.

- Sued and shut down the HOUSQUAKE fansite

- Opened his own poorly managed websites, offered lifetime memberships , and then shut those sites down within a year while pocketing our cash ( Hey brother, our lifetime didn't end when you decided to lose interest in websites)

- Threatened to sue have THIS SITE closed.

- Sued or attempted to sue fans who, out of love an admiration, post his music or videos online.

- Crystal Ball debacle

- One Night Alone Debacle

- Lotus Debacle

There's so much stuff I could go on and on. Point is, his hard core fans are human beings and he has kind of crapped on them a bit. So, I would imagine that there is a lot of animosity bewteen P and his hardcore fans. Keep in mind, he has never apologized for any of this stuff. So , I believe some of that pent up anger filters out on this site.

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I absolutely agree with the part I've made bold. There was a time where Prince could do no wrong, I would defend him to the hilt, but then he started doing stuff that was just undefendable (some of which are listed chrisslope9's post).

I felt that Prince just didn't give a toss about the people who loved him most and trying to defend his actions became impossible. It felt like he was sticking two fingers up to the thousands of us who had lined his pockets and made him who he is (still does at times). I have periodically stopped being interested in the man at all because of his actions (somehow he seems to keep reeling me back in though). The man is undoubtedly a legend but I'm glad that most of us are not so blinded that we defend his every poor decision.

So...for me, it's not negativity on this site, it's just people being honest

chrisslope9 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Spot on.

While I agree with most of what you say, one very important fact has been left out. Prince , over the past two plus decades has treated his hard core fans horribly. Because his hard core fans are human beings, this has created bad feelings and animosity. Some of those feelings are vented out on this site. I'm sure some of the folks on this site would be a little more willing to rally around their hero's latest release or be a little more forgiving when he mis-steps if he hadn't

- Sued and shut down Uptown Magazine and a few other FANZINES.

- Sued and shut down the HOUSQUAKE fansite

- Opened his own poorly managed websites, offered lifetime memberships , and then shut those sites down within a year while pocketing our cash ( Hey brother, our lifetime didn't end when you decided to lose interest in websites)

- Threatened to sue have THIS SITE closed.

- Sued or attempted to sue fans who, out of love an admiration, post his music or videos online.

- Crystal Ball debacle

- One Night Alone Debacle

- Lotus Debacle

There's so much stuff I could go on and on. Point is, his hard core fans are human beings and he has kind of crapped on them a bit. So, I would imagine that there is a lot of animosity bewteen P and his hardcore fans. Keep in mind, he has never apologized for any of this stuff. So , I believe some of that pent up anger filters out on this site.

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This is very true. To be fair though, I've only been a 'hardcore' fan for like two years nearly now. Before then I was just a casual 'Purple Rain' kinda fan. So I haven't seen most of this stuff that you mention above happening. But if I was around I can imagine myself being a lot more sour than I am now like a lot of the people here are. I only really know about the main stuff such as him closing housequake.com and the diabolical shitstorm that ensued shortly after. But with the stuff like his websites and the buisness side of his mishaps I just think it's a fault in P's general personality that he likes to wear too many 'hats' at once. Buisness man? Is he hell. Same reason as to why the GB movie was awful in most peoples opinions - wearing too many hats at once, director, main starring role, etc etc. Thats nothing we will ever change about him. But if you think about it, even when he does all this shit to his fanbase, people still love him don't they? He may of sued loads of his fans, but a good chunk of us went out last year ASAP to go buy Plectrumelectrum and AOA without the bat of an eyelid, which is interesting as even the people who 'hate all of his post-1988 work' did too.

It's not unique in the slightest, all fanbases pore over minutiae.

It would be a pretty fucking boring forum if every post was "I love Prince, he is wonderful and everything he's ever done is magic, it's so good I couldn't possibly pick a favourite it's all equally amazing". So instead we discuss our likes, dislikes, preferences and opinions - unfortunately some people can't handle that.

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Angelsoncrack said:

chrisslope9 said:

While I agree with most of what you say, one very important fact has been left out. Prince , over the past two plus decades has treated his hard core fans horribly. Because his hard core fans are human beings, this has created bad feelings and animosity. Some of those feelings are vented out on this site. I'm sure some of the folks on this site would be a little more willing to rally around their hero's latest release or be a little more forgiving when he mis-steps if he hadn't

- Sued and shut down Uptown Magazine and a few other FANZINES.

- Sued and shut down the HOUSQUAKE fansite

- Opened his own poorly managed websites, offered lifetime memberships , and then shut those sites down within a year while pocketing our cash ( Hey brother, our lifetime didn't end when you decided to lose interest in websites)

- Threatened to sue have THIS SITE closed.

- Sued or attempted to sue fans who, out of love an admiration, post his music or videos online.

- Crystal Ball debacle

- One Night Alone Debacle

- Lotus Debacle

There's so much stuff I could go on and on. Point is, his hard core fans are human beings and he has kind of crapped on them a bit. So, I would imagine that there is a lot of animosity bewteen P and his hardcore fans. Keep in mind, he has never apologized for any of this stuff. So , I believe some of that pent up anger filters out on this site.

[Edited 2/19/15 20:39pm]

[Edited 2/19/15 20:42pm]

This is very true. To be fair though, I've only been a 'hardcore' fan for like two years nearly now. Before then I was just a casual 'Purple Rain' kinda fan. So I haven't seen most of this stuff that you mention above happening. But if I was around I can imagine myself being a lot more sour than I am now like a lot of the people here are. I only really know about the main stuff such as him closing housequake.com and the diabolical shitstorm that ensued shortly after. But with the stuff like his websites and the buisness side of his mishaps I just think it's a fault in P's general personality that he likes to wear too many 'hats' at once. Buisness man? Is he hell. Same reason as to why the GB movie was awful in most peoples opinions - wearing too many hats at once, director, main starring role, etc etc. Thats nothing we will ever change about him. But if you think about it, even when he does all this shit to his fanbase, people still love him don't they? He may of sued loads of his fans, but a good chunk of us went out last year ASAP to go buy Plectrumelectrum and AOA without the bat of an eyelid, which is interesting as even the people who 'hate all of his post-1988 work' did too.

I was here throughout most of those things and they haven't soured me in the slightest. I prefer to focus on the positives and joy that Prince has brought to my life with his work and that's value that you can't measure.

NouveauDance said:

It's not unique in the slightest, all fanbases pore over minutiae.

It would be a pretty fucking boring forum if every post was "I love Prince, he is wonderful and everything he's ever done is magic, it's so good I couldn't possibly pick a favourite it's all equally amazing". So instead we discuss our likes, dislikes, preferences and opinions - unfortunately some people can't handle that.

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But it's mostly negative though, isn't it? And it's the type of semi-hysteric negativity you otherwise only find amongst teenage girls who just found out that Justin Bieber (or someone similar) has a new girlfriend and they really hate her and feel compulsed to express their hatred on a fan site or the comments section on youtube. Are Prince fans really that dissapointed?

The one fanbase that has .orgers beat are Phish fans. They can be SO negative, about other fans, and about the band themselves. They hate EVERY tour annoucement, bitch about every set, and complain about every single venue. I absolutely LOVE them, and have been seeing them for 22 years, but their fans can be quite difficult.

No one truly hates the man.

Some of us just have higher expectations.

"The higher the stake, the higher the sky".

I don't think so-called "haterz" spit on very song post-Lovesexy.
We're just waiting for something surprising and creative.
We're tired of the same Linn Drum rehash, the same Minneapolis sound,

the same concepts and lyrics.

Heck, I'll take a whole "Animal Kingdom" album.
I'd prefer an original flaw instead of familiar grooves on auto-pilot.

Why do we get occasionnaly mad?
AOA was refreshing, and had potential.

But then we get crappy videos, and no tour.

Everytime we think it's going to get better, the man blows it.
After a while, no wonder some of us get pretty pissed off.