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Reply #60 posted 02/09/15 8:22am

Angelsoncrack

Lmao I'm gonna cry this subject about his hair has come up again

Prince is a black dude

Prince has naturally kinky hair

Why is that so hard to understand for some people cry

Also, on the subject of black lives, the people that are like "But all lives matter!!", I'm a white girl from England and even I can see that police brutality against people of colour is a fucking issue in America. Of course, all lives matter. But in this case this is an awareness campaign that is waking people up to the realities of these things.

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Reply #61 posted 02/09/15 8:28am

JoshuaWho

tahirih said:

EroticDreamer said:

I think it's sad that Prince still sees color.

All lives matter.

He's living off his past and less than 1% of people watching him can name 2 songs off his newest albums but he feels the need to say the obvious because... he cares.

First off we ALL see color no one is colorblind. 2nd of course all lives matter duh! His comment was about Black lives that does not dismiss other lives. A Black man was speaking about Black people. What do you mean he's living off his past? What is his suppose to do?

well said

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Reply #62 posted 02/09/15 8:29am

SuperSoulFight
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JoshuaWho said:



SuperSoulFighter said:


In my mind black lives don't exist. Only human lives. And now I'm off to reading and music thumbs up!

That wouldnt be dismissive and insensitive if the issues around black lives were not completely different than those associated with non black lives. Black men are 21 times more likely to be killed by police than whites. But this isnt the forum - I started the thread because I thought it was cool that Prince and only Prince delivered such impact with only a few words.


That is why I said:"in my mind". I was only speaking for myself. What I meant was that to me a person's skin color means nothing because we are all equal. I guess we all agree on that! And yes of course, being from Europe, I don't know much about racial relations in the US except what I see on the news- and the Ferguson riots were just another news item over here. Just like I don't expect everybody in America to talk about the terrorist attacks in Paris.
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Reply #63 posted 02/09/15 8:29am

JoshuaWho

Angelsoncrack said:

Lmao I'm gonna cry this subject about his hair has come up again

Prince is a black dude

Prince has naturally kinky hair

Why is that so hard to understand for some people cry

Also, on the subject of black lives, the people that are like "But all lives matter!!", I'm a white girl from England and even I can see that police brutality against people of colour is a fucking issue in America. Of course, all lives matter. But in this case this is an awareness campaign that is waking people up to the realities of these things.

You insightful observations show how alive racism truly is in this world even though some will try to tell you it doesnt matter anymore.

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Reply #64 posted 02/09/15 8:45am

2elijah

Angelsoncrack said:

Lmao I'm gonna cry this subject about his hair has come up again


Prince is a black dude


Prince has naturally kinky hair


Why is that so hard to understand for some people cry




Also, on the subject of black lives, the people that are like "But all lives matter!!", I'm a white girl from England and even I can see that police brutality against people of colour is a fucking issue in America. Of course, all lives matter. But in this case this is an awareness campaign that is waking people up to the realities of these things.


Well nice to know you're aware.
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Reply #65 posted 02/09/15 8:54am

OldFriends4Sal
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appleseed said:

In MARZ he's clearly saying more loudly that black lives should matter more to black folk, who let M&M killers and other knuckleheads ruin their lives families and communtities.

Priceless Prince!

Lost my job at Mickie D's
For giving away too much food for free
But I couldn't watch another black child go to school
With nothing to eat

Seven of us then took to the streets
Raised by the music, fed by the beat
Seeing how long we could stay out of jail
It's how we,
That's how we'd compete

We never own the streets that we kept defending
The money we got we just end up spending
With nothing to save and not a thing for lending
You're never really happy
Just good at pretending

Everybody in the world wants to be a star
Few got what it takes to get that far
If a rocket ship didn't cost more than a car
A brother might move to MARZ

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Reply #66 posted 02/09/15 9:06am

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EroticDreamer said:

I think it's sad that Prince still sees color.

eek

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #67 posted 02/09/15 9:07am

thisisreece

Graycap23 said:

EroticDreamer said:

I think it's sad that Prince still sees color.

eek

I thought Prince would see things in infrared by now.

Hundalasiliah!
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Reply #68 posted 02/09/15 9:10am

JoshuaWho

thisisreece said:

Graycap23 said:

eek

I thought Prince would see things in infrared by now.

What is truly sad is that people would think he or any other person of color should NOT see color. We see proof that white people do every day. That is just how the world is and always has been.

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Reply #69 posted 02/09/15 9:10am

LikeAHornyPony
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SuperSoulFighter said:

JoshuaWho said:



SuperSoulFighter said:


In my mind black lives don't exist. Only human lives. And now I'm off to reading and music thumbs up!

That wouldnt be dismissive and insensitive if the issues around black lives were not completely different than those associated with non black lives. Black men are 21 times more likely to be killed by police than whites. But this isnt the forum - I started the thread because I thought it was cool that Prince and only Prince delivered such impact with only a few words.


That is why I said:"in my mind". I was only speaking for myself. What I meant was that to me a person's skin color means nothing because we are all equal. I guess we all agree on that! And yes of course, being from Europe, I don't know much about racial relations in the US except what I see on the news- and the Ferguson riots were just another news item over here. Just like I don't expect everybody in America to talk about the terrorist attacks in Paris.


Skin color DOES matter because we can't erase history. Everyone should be treated like equals YES but we shouldn't treat "race" as a myth because that thinking attempts to erase their struggle--you are dismissing a group of people and their history and identity when you say we're all the same. I'm white and have no idea what it's like to face that oppression. White is my identity and I know nothing of that struggle and won't dare to say "skin color doesn't matter" because it certainly matters to the people in power.
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Reply #70 posted 02/09/15 9:21am

ethanthomas

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Black lives still matter ? Why wouldn't it matter ? he could have say " fire is hot" or "water is wet". It's a silly parallel he made between albums and black lives. Album market is about to end, and his owns album are flops. He doesn't even defend his albums. Prince should have stay at home.

honestly, i don't believe you have the intellectual capacity to comprehend or interpret even the simplest things that a dynamic thinker like Prince might say. His thoughts and actions are just contrary to your intellectual type. I would recommend that you stick with conformity and structure, i.e, charts and graphs. Trying to understand Prince will make your brain hurt!

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Reply #71 posted 02/09/15 9:26am

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LikeAHornyPonyWould69 said:

SuperSoulFighter said:
That is why I said:"in my mind". I was only speaking for myself. What I meant was that to me a person's skin color means nothing because we are all equal. I guess we all agree on that! And yes of course, being from Europe, I don't know much about racial relations in the US except what I see on the news- and the Ferguson riots were just another news item over here. Just like I don't expect everybody in America to talk about the terrorist attacks in Paris.
Skin color DOES matter because we can't erase history. Everyone should be treated like equals YES but we shouldn't treat "race" as a myth because that thinking attempts to erase their struggle--you are dismissing a group of people and their history and identity when you say we're all the same. I'm white and have no idea what it's like to face that oppression. White is my identity and I know nothing of that struggle and won't dare to say "skin color doesn't matter" because it certainly matters to the people in power.

Just as the ruling class always wanted. Black/White, Gay/Straight, Women/Men, Rich/Poor, Muslim/Christian. Divide and conquer techniques. The society is too dumbed down to see it.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #72 posted 02/09/15 9:28am

SuperSoulFight
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LikeAHornyPonyWould69 said:

SuperSoulFighter said:


That is why I said:"in my mind". I was only speaking for myself. What I meant was that to me a person's skin color means nothing because we are all equal. I guess we all agree on that! And yes of course, being from Europe, I don't know much about racial relations in the US except what I see on the news- and the Ferguson riots were just another news item over here. Just like I don't expect everybody in America to talk about the terrorist attacks in Paris.


Skin color DOES matter because we can't erase history. Everyone should be treated like equals YES but we shouldn't treat "race" as a myth because that thinking attempts to erase their struggle--you are dismissing a group of people and their history and identity when you say we're all the same. I'm white and have no idea what it's like to face that oppression. White is my identity and I know nothing of that struggle and won't dare to say "skin color doesn't matter" because it certainly matters to the people in power.

Once again, I'm only speaking for myself. I never ever regarded white as my identity. I've been married to a Kenyan wife and never regarded black as her identity. European and African. That's the way I saw it and still see it. And now I've said what I want to say about it. Peace! Be wild!
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Reply #73 posted 02/09/15 9:30am

JoshuaWho

LikeAHornyPonyWould69 said:

SuperSoulFighter said:
That is why I said:"in my mind". I was only speaking for myself. What I meant was that to me a person's skin color means nothing because we are all equal. I guess we all agree on that! And yes of course, being from Europe, I don't know much about racial relations in the US except what I see on the news- and the Ferguson riots were just another news item over here. Just like I don't expect everybody in America to talk about the terrorist attacks in Paris.
Skin color DOES matter because we can't erase history. Everyone should be treated like equals YES but we shouldn't treat "race" as a myth because that thinking attempts to erase their struggle--you are dismissing a group of people and their history and identity when you say we're all the same. I'm white and have no idea what it's like to face that oppression. White is my identity and I know nothing of that struggle and won't dare to say "skin color doesn't matter" because it certainly matters to the people in power.

Well said - the concept is a complex one for which some people lack the capacity or the integrity to acknowledge. Arguing with them has been futile throughout history. But as you so eloquently asserted, history can not be denied or changed and it always matters.

[Edited 2/9/15 9:31am]

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Reply #74 posted 02/09/15 9:52am

2elijah

OldFriends4Sale said:



appleseed said:


In MARZ he's clearly saying more loudly that black lives should matter more to black folk, who let M&M killers and other knuckleheads ruin their lives families and communtities.





Priceless Prince!



Lost my job at Mickie D's
For giving away too much food for free
But I couldn't watch another black child go to school
With nothing to eat

Seven of us then took to the streets
Raised by the music, fed by the beat
Seeing how long we could stay out of jail
It's how we,
That's how we'd compete

We never own the streets that we kept defending
The money we got we just end up spending
With nothing to save and not a thing for lending
You're never really happy
Just good at pretending

Everybody in the world wants to be a star
Few got what it takes to get that far
If a rocket ship didn't cost more than a car
A brother might move to MARZ






Yes those lyrics reference more of an inner issue within the Black community, but I find that part of what Prince said about 'Black Lives Matter', last night, reflects part of the lyrics to his song 'Dreamer', which pretty much is saying how race is still an issue even years past the civil rights/MLK Jr. days, and today's current state of policing/police brutality and racial profiling, experience by many within the Black community. I think the reason why some may not be able to comprehend or relate to Prince's comments stated in the Grammys, is either because they are not aware of the state of race relations in this country or may be uncomfortable with Prince expressing his views on such topics.

Dreamer Lyrics by Prince

"I was born, raised on the same plantation
In the United States, of the red, white and blue
Never knew that I was different, till Dr. King was on a balcony
Lyin' in a bloody pool
I expected so much more from a loving
A loving, loving society
A truthful explanation, you know what
I got another, another conspiracy

If it was just a dream, listen, call me, call me a dreamer too

With more rewards and accolades, then anyone before or after
21st century, oh what a shame, what a shame
Race, race still matters
A race to what, and where we going
We in the same boat, but I'm the only one rowing

Last time I checked, you were sleeping, but you can call me a dreamer too

Peanut butter logic, served on a bed of lies
Don't go down too easy, when you've seen your father cry
Have you ever clutched the steering wheel in your car too tight
Praying that police sirens just pass you by that night


While the helicopter circles us, this theory's getting deep
Think they're spraying chemicals over the city
While we sleep

Come on, I'm staying awake
you can call me a dreamer too
(Ahhh, I got one eye open for these devils)[/b]

(Wake up, wake up)

(I pledge allegiance, to..)"
[Edited 2/9/15 10:04am]
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Reply #75 posted 02/09/15 9:57am

LikeAHornyPony
Would69

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



LikeAHornyPonyWould69 said:


SuperSoulFighter said:
That is why I said:"in my mind". I was only speaking for myself. What I meant was that to me a person's skin color means nothing because we are all equal. I guess we all agree on that! And yes of course, being from Europe, I don't know much about racial relations in the US except what I see on the news- and the Ferguson riots were just another news item over here. Just like I don't expect everybody in America to talk about the terrorist attacks in Paris.

Skin color DOES matter because we can't erase history. Everyone should be treated like equals YES but we shouldn't treat "race" as a myth because that thinking attempts to erase their struggle--you are dismissing a group of people and their history and identity when you say we're all the same. I'm white and have no idea what it's like to face that oppression. White is my identity and I know nothing of that struggle and won't dare to say "skin color doesn't matter" because it certainly matters to the people in power.


Just as the ruling class always wanted. Black/White, Gay/Straight, Women/Men, Rich/Poor, Muslim/Christian. Divide and conquer techniques. The society is too dumbed down to see it.



You can dream of your own Utopia but I will work towards a world where we can embrace our differences and not erase them
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Reply #76 posted 02/09/15 10:03am

lwr001

plenty of members on the org like to be dismissive of his cultural relevance etc etc etc..in many circles, he is like EF Hutton, for him say that meant something to a lot of people..if you dont get it then you wont..when my 15 year old daughter and her frends got memes of the statement on their phones this morning it mattered..

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Reply #77 posted 02/09/15 10:06am

OldFriends4Sal
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SuperSoulFighter said:

LikeAHornyPonyWould69 said:
Skin color DOES matter because we can't erase history. Everyone should be treated like equals YES but we shouldn't treat "race" as a myth because that thinking attempts to erase their struggle--you are dismissing a group of people and their history and identity when you say we're all the same. I'm white and have no idea what it's like to face that oppression. White is my identity and I know nothing of that struggle and won't dare to say "skin color doesn't matter" because it certainly matters to the people in power.
Once again, I'm only speaking for myself. I never ever regarded white as my identity. I've been married to a Kenyan wife and never regarded black as her identity. European and African. That's the way I saw it and still see it. And now I've said what I want to say about it. Peace! Be wild!

Yes, 'race' identity, ethnic situations are different depending on what part of the world we live
Everyones society issues are def different

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Reply #78 posted 02/09/15 10:14am

SuperFurryAnim
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LikeAHornyPonyWould69 said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Just as the ruling class always wanted. Black/White, Gay/Straight, Women/Men, Rich/Poor, Muslim/Christian. Divide and conquer techniques. The society is too dumbed down to see it.

You can dream of your own Utopia but I will work towards a world where we can embrace our differences and not erase them

Well the ruling class does not care about individuals, likely in the grand scheme what we think means nothing. As long as they can control the herd. Creating division has historically been used by the ruling class to control. When 1% control 99% of the wealth and they push division (Black/White, Gay/Straight, Women/Men, Rich/Poor, Muslim/Christian) and want more control I think we have big problems.

[Edited 2/9/15 10:19am]

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #79 posted 02/09/15 10:29am

LittlePurpleYo
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I'm more curious whether he's read a book in the last 15 years other than the Bible.

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Reply #80 posted 02/09/15 10:30am

pennylover

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1contessa said:

Askani said:

Yes, well he also said that books and albums matter and they clearly don't, so I'm not sure exactly what he was trying to say confused

He wasn't "trying" to say anything, he said it as he meant it......that Black lives matter, and maybe not to you, but to some, books and albums matter also.

THANK U 1contessa..... I could not have said it better. wink

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Reply #81 posted 02/09/15 10:43am

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My question is why did he have to wait until the Grammys (2015) to make the comment. Certainly a few months ago when the shit was really hitting the fan would have been more timely... eek

He certainly could have made the statement during his most recent SNL performance...

A robin sings a masterpiece that lives and dies unheard...
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Reply #82 posted 02/09/15 10:50am

JoshuaWho

Averett said:

My question is why did he have to wait until the Grammys (2015) to make the comment. Certainly a few months ago when the shit was really hitting the fan would have been more timely... eek

He certainly could have made the statement during his most recent SNL performance...

Becasue black lives dont just matter a few weeks after one has been snuffed out by police without recourse. SNL was not a spekaing engagement, it was a performance - one which didnt hardly garner the audience that the Grammys did. At some point, people get tired of being bombarded with social messages. Sound public relations and communications revovles around choosing the timing and delivery of messages; not just flying off the handle screaming or whining every time you get behind a mic or in front of a camera. Repeated ad nauseam, this approach can dilute the messages and compromise the image of the mesenger. Prince understands this.

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Reply #83 posted 02/09/15 10:55am

2elijah

Averett said:

My question is why did he have to wait until the Grammys (2015) to make the comment. Certainly a few months ago when the shit was really hitting the fan would have been more timely... eek



He certainly could have made the statement during his most recent SNL performance...


The Grammys was centered around raising social consciousness about societal issues, according to ETOnline:

http://m.etonline.com/awa..._violence/
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Reply #84 posted 02/09/15 11:08am

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I knew those three words would start a shitstorm here! lol

Has anybody quoted Alexander O'Neal yet?

FWIW - Prince has been an advocate of black children from the days of "Annie Christian" to last year's "Marz", so his comments last night shouldn't come as a surprise.

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
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Reply #85 posted 02/09/15 11:24am

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JoshuaWho said:

Averett said:

My question is why did he have to wait until the Grammys (2015) to make the comment. Certainly a few months ago when the shit was really hitting the fan would have been more timely... eek

He certainly could have made the statement during his most recent SNL performance...

Becasue black lives dont just matter a few weeks after one has been snuffed out by police without recourse. SNL was not a spekaing engagement, it was a performance - one which didnt hardly garner the audience that the Grammys did. At some point, people get tired of being bombarded with social messages. Sound public relations and communications revovles around choosing the timing and delivery of messages; not just flying off the handle screaming or whining every time you get behind a mic or in front of a camera. Repeated ad nauseam, this approach can dilute the messages and compromise the image of the mesenger. Prince understands this.

Speaking to the issue when its actually happening versus 2 to 3 months later seems like a more appropriate time. Prolonged silence with a comment only way after the fact seems pretty weak to me. And artist have used their musical performances on SNL to make social statements... as Sinead proved, you don't need to come onto SNL to speak in order to have a voice.

[Edited 2/9/15 11:27am]

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Reply #86 posted 02/09/15 11:27am

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I have no idea..... why you all are so upset... eek eek eek

Calm down... Prince was cool last night.. woot!

Prince 4Ever. heart
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Reply #87 posted 02/09/15 11:40am

JoshuaWho

Averett said:

JoshuaWho said:

Becasue black lives dont just matter a few weeks after one has been snuffed out by police without recourse. SNL was not a spekaing engagement, it was a performance - one which didnt hardly garner the audience that the Grammys did. At some point, people get tired of being bombarded with social messages. Sound public relations and communications revovles around choosing the timing and delivery of messages; not just flying off the handle screaming or whining every time you get behind a mic or in front of a camera. Repeated ad nauseam, this approach can dilute the messages and compromise the image of the mesenger. Prince understands this.

Speaking to the issue when its actually happening versus 2 to 3 months later seems like a more appropriate time. Prolonged silence with a comment only way after the fact seems pretty weak to me. And artist have used their musical performances on SNL to make social statements... as Sinead proved, you don't need to come onto SNL to speak in order to have a voice.

[Edited 2/9/15 11:27am]

Why rule book indicats what the "more appropriate time" is? How has the authority to dictate what is the most appropriate time to spekaon an issue that involves human lives and the impact on a race of Americans? Sinead proved how stupid and negative making a political point during a performance on SNL can be. People didnt want to hear that there adn she never recovered from it. It is the only thing she is remembered for despite a classic Prince hit. Again, Prince is entirely too smart to do something like this. All of his SNL performances were epic ad helped his career - which is what they are for. There is no comparison between that debacle and how Prince handles himself.

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Reply #88 posted 02/09/15 11:41am

JoshuaWho

Pokeno4Money said:

I knew those three words would start a shitstorm here! lol

Has anybody quoted Alexander O'Neal yet?

FWIW - Prince has been an advocate of black children from the days of "Annie Christian" to last year's "Marz", so his comments last night shouldn't come as a surprise.

What does it say about people who deny that Prince IS black and that he has a right to say so in public?

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Reply #89 posted 02/09/15 11:41am

Zannaloaf

CharismaDove said:

PLEASE GET RID OF THE FRO

IT LOOKS SO MESSY

Prince has had so many attractive looks in the past, I really wish he could just step back and borrow a little from there. No need to go Graffiti Bridge waves+beard again, but maybe even hair extensions on the flattened/blown out fro? IDK. Just please, please Prince, get rid of it

I was disappointed at his short time on stage (eh..) but Twitterville+social media went crazy about it so kudos to P for making celebs starstruck

why do you care so much? Seriously.

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