JoshuaWho said:

Pokeno4Money said:

That's a good thing, no? Isn't that the goal ... to view and treat people based on who they are as a person, rather than what their skin color is?

I have never viewed anyone as a great black musician or a great white musican, I view them simply as a great musician ... and Prince's fanbase is proof that the majority of Americans are the same as I.

No it is NOT a good thing - especially when men like Prince are denied their right to acknowledge their blackness by white people who hide their contempt for it behind the completely fictional concept of a colorless utopia. Black people have tried to not be seen as black. It doesn't work. Insisting that they constant relinquish blackness for something that the ruling class has never even pretended to accept is the definition of racism.

When and how was Prince denied his right to acknowledge he's black? It's not exactly something he can hide.

As for the rest of what you said, that's more appropriate discussion in P&R.

FTR - The United States is becoming more and more multiracial, eventually the majority of Americans will be multiracial. It may not happen in our lifetime, but it will happen. Sounds like you aren't too happy about that.

Pokeno4Money said:

JoshuaWho said:

No it is NOT a good thing - especially when men like Prince are denied their right to acknowledge their blackness by white people who hide their contempt for it behind the completely fictional concept of a colorless utopia. Black people have tried to not be seen as black. It doesn't work. Insisting that they constant relinquish blackness for something that the ruling class has never even pretended to accept is the definition of racism.

When and how was Prince denied his right to acknowledge he's black? It's not exactly something he can hide.

As for the rest of what you said, that's more appropriate discussion in P&R.

FTR - The United States is becoming more and more multiracial, eventually the majority of Americans will be multiracial. It may not happen in our lifetime, but it will happen. Sounds like you aren't too happy about that.

Prince's talent was never in a box, however, when he first came on the scene most Black male entertainers were generally either jazz, funk, or r&b. He was all that rock & roll and more. So to market him those who were helping to shape his career were going to urge him towards an International audience early. Everybody saw the talent, potential and of course money.

I don't think that too many people will deny that this did not work for him. Too bad there are those who do not understand that this never ment that Prince denied his Blackness. Their loss...BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL...so is green.

Embracing One's Blackness does not contradict One's embracing that we are ALL ONE. If you can not understand consciousness, connectiveness and the uniqueness of ALL of US then it would be YOU that may need some more Soul Searching.

No One should be offended when ANYONE realizes and identifies that BLACK LIVES MATTER. It is a shame that Black People are still fighting to get that point across. The beauty during the protest was seeing the support of other nations protesting with us. Let us continue to hold up that banner until it is not needed anymore...

OldFriends4Sale said:

ashynevermind said:

jdcxc said:

ashynevermind said:

Prince History Lesson:

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Langebleu - moderator

[/quote Hate-filled racist rant. P hasn't lived up to your narrow version of being Black, luckily you don't get to define his path.

So, you get to call critical thinking racist, [Abuse removed - langebleu - moderator] - look it up...

I find it interesting that he has said that "books matter". Has someone commented this? Sorry, I haven't thread the whole read, but it seems to me that it's more related to the racial than the cultural issue.

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Pokeno4Money said:

ashynevermind said:

Prince History Lesson:

Deleted - if you wish to provide your hardcore version of truth, do so with civility.

Langebleu - moderator

read your prince history dude

: http://www.goldiesparade....prince.htm

Prince Rogers Nelson: a Prince biography

as far as Prince catering to the black community, many artist and individuals of color become disillusions with the (all due respect to those who do not come under this umbrella) white lies

they encounter in trying to become a part of the so-called main stream of u s society.

as a result many people of color as well as those within the so-called white races begin to embrace their racial and ethnic pride to escape drowning in the deceptions and lies.

unless exposed to ones racial/ethnic background at an early age, most people do not come out of life's gate expounding upon their racial/ethnic pride dude.

this type of self awareness usually comes on later in life (circa early or mid to late twenties - some even later). i'm sure this includes you.

so while you stand upon your self serving judgemental electronic pedestal in judging prince so harshly, take a moment to walk in his shoes (after you read the pretty much spot on bio).

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"Facts tend to take the punch out of a good hate rant. get your facts right."

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kpowers said:

Can we all put our differences aside for a moment and just agree that Kanye is a piece of shit?

Averett said:

kpowers said:

Can we all put our differences aside for a moment and just agree that Kanye is a piece of shit?

kanye seems to be a quirka-meglamaniacal strangoid. maybe he took his first breath between seconds. or maybe his soul came into his body upside down.

maybe i'm just kidding.

all i CAN say is, he does some weird stuff.

Pokeno4Money said:

Has anybody seen Prince perform in concert within the past few years?

When he performed "Controversy" during the W2A show I attended, he led the audience with multiple chants of this ... exactly as the song was recorded decades earlier:

I wish there was no black and white

I wish there were no rules


It's rather obvious Prince will always get simultaneously praised and criticized no matter what he says or does, that's the nature of the business. So he'll do and say whatever he feels like at the moment, and I'm cool with that. We all should be cool with that IMO.

Does he contradict himself sometimes? Maybe ... or maybe it's just a matter of him changing his mind, which is his prerogative. Just focus on the music and let the man be.

^^^ Quoting myself here for those that may have missed where I stand on Prince's "Black Lives Matter".

So once again, it's Prince's prerogative to change his mind when it comes to the subject of race. He can say whatever he feels like saying, I'm cool with it. He's earned that respect.

Averett said:

kpowers said:

Can we all put our differences aside for a moment and just agree that Kanye is a piece of shit?

I thought we ALL agreed that Kanye was a big piece of shit. Though I'm sure Mr. Hankey would be offended

3rdeyedude said:

Most Prince fans are white. And most orgers are white too.

I don't think it's appropriate to make those assumptions. I've been to Prince concerts where the audience was mostly white, and I've been to Prince concerts where the audience was mostly of color.

As for the org, how would you know? Was there a poll done here recently of which I'm not aware?

kpowers said:

Personally, I think Prince should have bopped Kanye's silly ass on top of the head with that sceptor when he jumped up there. Now that would have been a royally epic statement!
Before any one of you even try to disagree, just imagine if Prince had been nominated and won for AOA and Kanye tried that.

Even if that Kanye guy thought he was being cute by pretending to do that again, it's still really unprofessional to step on someone's toes like that. Although I guess it might've got Beck some more exposure in media outlets that would run some dumb story about a popstar like Kanye but not Beck.

Prince presentation at the Grammys 2015

Prince probably thinking,"kanye!, what are you doing man?">>>>>>>>>>

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iZsaZsa said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Why would you expect him to take a stand that way. He has never done that.

He smoothly mentions things in different ways, mostly in songs(rarely) once in a while in an interview, but even he said it doesn't come out right.

Prince is not that figurehead artist that I would expect for him to have to say something.

Again, I wonder if there is JW prohibitions on that kind of stuff.

I think he would have to be very subtle.

Right, because I do believe they are not supposed to get involved in social/political issues

skywalker said:

ashynevermind said:

Prince History Lesson: he only started to cater to the black community after the silly name change.....he started appearing on Soul Train and doing interviews with black mags he never gave the time of day to before, why can't people see that? You know he felt all that was beneath him until he wasn't a superstar anymore, prove me wrong orgers...

Prince (circa 1979) says you are full of shit. And so does prince.org.

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He catered to the black community from day one.

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His love of ice cream cones also goes waaaaay back.

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That doesn't mean he catered to them.

He didn't.
That's not what he started out doing, and he was clear he did not be defined
supposedly 'black people' were saying he 'left them' during the 1983-1986 years 'catering to white folk' ?

He wanted to reach all people, the UPTOWN utopia was in his message early on

Javi said:

I find it interesting that he has said that "books matter". Has someone commented this? Sorry, I haven't thread the whole read, but it seems to me that it's more related to the racial than the cultural issue.

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you mean like........"hey black people, instead of focusing on this one small problem of police violence.......maybe u should try reading a book once in a while so you can get ahead of the game and not find yourself in police custody?"

NouveauDance said:

Even if that Kanye guy thought he was being cute by pretending to do that again, it's still really unprofessional to step on someone's toes like that. Although I guess it might've got Beck some more exposure in media outlets that would run some dumb story about a popstar like Kanye but not Beck.

I felt the same way until I learned he was actually serious. Then I became infuriated that he'd insinuate that Beyonce is some sort of 'genius' that Beck should bow down to and hand his Grammy. Even though loads of people agree with Kanye (the same people who have no idea about who Beck is), he's gotten a lot of media criticism and rightfully so.

But hey, if Beck is winning Album of the Year in 2015, who says P can't win next year? (he won't).

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

kpowers said:

Personally, I think Prince should have bopped Kanye's silly ass on top of the head with that sceptor when he jumped up there. Now that would have been a royally epic statement!
Before any one of you even try to disagree, just imagine if Prince had been nominated and won for AOA and Kanye tried that.

I have a feeling Prince wanted Beyonce to win too (since he seems a fan of her). He's always come across to me as someone who can be snide and very honest in his dislike of someone (he virtually dislikes all his peers lol).. hence maybe the way he quickly said 'Beck' when announcing the winnter

But if P had been nominated for Album of the Year and Kanye tried to step off, the reaction would be much different. Prince is a media darling any time he's reported on and has a much bigger fanbase than Beck (not even talking about the org here).. unfortunately, Beck's not really in the 'legend' category so people didn't sympathize as much. But I can imagine a huge backlash if 'Ye tried to interrupt a very well-renowned and well-respected legend such as P. And P would slap that shit-eating grin off his face with the cane, anyways

3rdeyedude said:

Javi said:

I find it interesting that he has said that "books matter". Has someone commented this? Sorry, I haven't thread the whole read, but it seems to me that it's more related to the racial than the cultural issue.

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you mean like........"hey black people, instead of focusing on this one small problem of police violence.......maybe u should try reading a book once in a while so you can get ahead of the game and not find yourself in police custody?"

with Prince's sick humor you never know

"Prince handing an award to Beck... it must be 1996."

This whole incident (from 'black lives matter' to Kanye to audience reaction for prince) has given him loads of publicity.

CharismaDove said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Personally, I think Prince should have bopped Kanye's silly ass on top of the head with that sceptor when he jumped up there. Now that would have been a royally epic statement!
Before any one of you even try to disagree, just imagine if Prince had been nominated and won for AOA and Kanye tried that.

I have a feeling Prince wanted Beyonce to win too (since he seems a fan of her). He's always come across to me as someone who can be snide and very honest in his dislike of someone (he virtually dislikes all his peers lol).. hence maybe the way he quickly said 'Beck' when announcing the winnter

But if P had been nominated for Album of the Year and Kanye tried to step off, the reaction would be much different. Prince is a media darling any time he's reported on and has a much bigger fanbase than Beck (not even talking about the org here).. unfortunately, Beck's not really in the 'legend' category so people didn't sympathize as much. But I can imagine a huge backlash if 'Ye tried to interrupt a very well-renowned and well-respected legend such as P. And P would slap that shit-eating grin off his face with the cane, anyways

If I remember correctly, Prince has had Beck guesting on stage (around 1999-2000). Beck greeted him like he's spent some time with him in the past.

There's been a huge backlash in the comments sections on Kanye's antics all over the Internet entertainment news sites. Thousands and thousands of negative comments on it (just go to yahoo, for example). So people have definitely symphatized with Beck. Wouldn't be so sure about Prince having that much bigger fanbase than Beck either. Beck's been a favourite of the indie crowd for 20+ years and you seldom hear anyone say bad things about his music (you sure do hear that about Prince's, who is bound to generate more mixed reactions).

Pokeno4Money said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Has anybody seen Prince perform in concert within the past few years?

When he performed "Controversy" during the W2A show I attended, he led the audience with multiple chants of this ... exactly as the song was recorded decades earlier:

I wish there was no black and white

I wish there were no rules


It's rather obvious Prince will always get simultaneously praised and criticized no matter what he says or does, that's the nature of the business. So he'll do and say whatever he feels like at the moment, and I'm cool with that. We all should be cool with that IMO.

Does he contradict himself sometimes? Maybe ... or maybe it's just a matter of him changing his mind, which is his prerogative. Just focus on the music and let the man be.

^^^ Quoting myself here for those that may have missed where I stand on Prince's "Black Lives Matter".

So once again, it's Prince's prerogative to change his mind when it comes to the subject of race. He can say whatever he feels like saying, I'm cool with it. He's earned that respect.

I remeber Prince also said in 2011:

"It's fun being in Islamic countries, to know there's only one religion.

There's order.

You wear a burqa.

There's no choice.

People are happy with that."

OldFriends4Sale said:

Pokeno4Money said:

^^^ Quoting myself here for those that may have missed where I stand on Prince's "Black Lives Matter".

So once again, it's Prince's prerogative to change his mind when it comes to the subject of race. He can say whatever he feels like saying, I'm cool with it. He's earned that respect.

I remeber Prince also said in 2011:

"It's fun being in Islamic countries, to know there's only one religion.

There's order.

You wear a burqa.

There's no choice.

People are happy with that."

What does that or the lyrics from Controversy have to do with anything on this thread?

3rdeyedude said: