Black Lives Matter

Reply #212 posted 02/10/15 3:49pm

Pokeno4Money

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JoshuaWho said:

What does that or the lyrics from Controversy have to do with anything on this thread?

I posted the Controversy lyrics from the concert I attended to show that as recently as 2010 he was still endorsing his belief that the world would be better if there was no distinction between black and white and if there was no "rules" about how blacks should act or how whites should act. If he wasn't endorsing it, he would have skipped those particular lyrics or changed them instead of encouraging the crowd to repeatedly sing them.

And as I've said before, if Sunday night indicated he's changed his stance and he now supports the distinguishing of skin color and the causes that pertain to just one color, then I'm cool with it. But for me personally, I still fall in line with the Controversy lyrics because I hate labels of all kinds and I hate being told that I have to act a certain way or think a certain way just because of my race, ethnicity, gender or whatever.

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Reply #213 posted 02/10/15 3:53pm

OldFriends4Sale said:

skywalker said:

ashynevermind said:

Prince History Lesson: he only started to cater to the black community after the silly name change.....he started appearing on Soul Train and doing interviews with black mags he never gave the time of day to before, why can't people see that? You know he felt all that was beneath him until he wasn't a superstar anymore, prove me wrong orgers...

Prince (circa 1979) says you are full of shit. And so does prince.org.

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He catered to the black community from day one.

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His love of ice cream cones also goes waaaaay back.

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That doesn't mean he catered to them.

He didn't.
That's not what he started out doing, and he was clear he did not be defined
supposedly 'black people' were saying he 'left them' during the 1983-1986 years 'catering to white folk' ?

He wanted to reach all people, the UPTOWN utopia was in his message early on

But what is some fans' problem with his show of support for the Black community? He has always made donations in support of music and education for many Black students, so despite some fans bringing up comments he made in the past, and twisting it in their favor, doesn't dismiss the fact that the support and concern was always there, in many ways. His statement at the Grammys apparently shows he supports those who are in protest against police brutality and racial profiling given the current atmosphere and recent shootings of unarmed, Black males by cops. I think many of his non-black fans, not all, who don't understand that should at least try, instead of being angry over it.
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Reply #214 posted 02/10/15 4:02pm

free2bfreeda

2elijah said:
OldFriends4Sale said:

That doesn't mean he catered to them.

He didn't.
That's not what he started out doing, and he was clear he did not be defined
supposedly 'black people' were saying he 'left them' during the 1983-1986 years 'catering to white folk' ?

He wanted to reach all people, the UPTOWN utopia was in his message early on

But what is some fans' problem with his show of support for the Black community? He has always made donations in support of music and education for many Black students, so despite some fans bringing up comments he made in the past, and twisting it in their favor, doesn't dismiss the fact that the support and concern was always there, in many ways. His statement at the Grammys apparently shows he supports those who are in protest against police brutality and racial profiling given the current atmosphere and recent shootings of unarmed, Black males by cops. I think many of his non-black fans, not all, who don't understand that should at least try, instead of being angry over it. [Edited 2/10/15 15:59pm]

unfortunantly it's like a thing that mick jagger said in an interview about Jimi Hendrix, he stated that well "Jimi was ours."

i'm feeling a lot of prince fans think that prince is theirs and for him to say "black lives matter," is like he's committed a mutiny to his total fan base.

prince is a multi culturalist IMO.

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Reply #215 posted 02/10/15 5:16pm

JoshuaWho

free2bfreeda said:

2elijah said:
OldFriends4Sale said: But what is some fans' problem with his show of support for the Black community? He has always made donations in support of music and education for many Black students, so despite some fans bringing up comments he made in the past, and twisting it in their favor, doesn't dismiss the fact that the support and concern was always there, in many ways. His statement at the Grammys apparently shows he supports those who are in protest against police brutality and racial profiling given the current atmosphere and recent shootings of unarmed, Black males by cops. I think many of his non-black fans, not all, who don't understand that should at least try, instead of being angry over it. [Edited 2/10/15 15:59pm]

unfortunantly it's like a thing that mick jagger said in an interview about Jimi Hendrix, he stated that well "Jimi was ours."

i'm feeling a lot of prince fans think that prince is theirs and for him to say "black lives matter," is like he's committed a mutiny to his total fan base.

prince is a multi culturalist IMO.

Prince is and always has been an African American. Unlike Hendrix, he didnt break through with a mostly white audience and in the UK. This alone makes the Mick Jagger analogy invalid. Anyone feeling like Prince is anything other than a black American musicial genius in the tradition of legends before him like James Brown and George Clinton is fooling themselves and/or sadly mistaken. People have to understand that this does not mean he is seperated from non-black society. It means that, like ALL black people, he should be restricted due to his race BUT this lack of restriction never means he has to abandon or ignore his race or the plight of its people. To suggest such is the true basis of racism.

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Reply #216 posted 02/10/15 5:54pm

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No one said he shouldn't be proud of his race. He needs to do more research on the black lives matter movement, which is based on recent occurances where black men were proven to be wrong in a court of law and by grand juries. Read a report prince. This is chemtrails all over again. The definition of racism is ALWAYS thinking that your race is right or that one race is ALWAYS wrong.

Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.

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Reply #217 posted 02/10/15 7:15pm

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free2bfreeda said:

2elijah said:
OldFriends4Sale said: But what is some fans' problem with his show of support for the Black community? He has always made donations in support of music and education for many Black students, so despite some fans bringing up comments he made in the past, and twisting it in their favor, doesn't dismiss the fact that the support and concern was always there, in many ways. His statement at the Grammys apparently shows he supports those who are in protest against police brutality and racial profiling given the current atmosphere and recent shootings of unarmed, Black males by cops. I think many of his non-black fans, not all, who don't understand that should at least try, instead of being angry over it. [Edited 2/10/15 15:59pm]

unfortunantly it's like a thing that mick jagger said in an interview about Jimi Hendrix, he stated that well "Jimi was ours."

i'm feeling a lot of prince fans think that prince is theirs and for him to say "black lives matter," is like he's committed a mutiny to his total fan base.

prince is a multi culturalist IMO.

Influence wise the Stones identified with black blues artists. Just like the Eminem and the Beastie Boys are musically part of the frame work that helped build music that is mainly a black thing(rap) or Living Colour is part of frame work of music that is considered a white thing(metal). Prince's influences and styles are all over the map, black, white, spanish and so on. The Stones identified with black blues artists so I don't know what the hell you are getting at there.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?

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Reply #218 posted 02/10/15 7:21pm

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Prince is a conspiracy theorist!! the War, Chemtrails, New World, 2045 Radical Man!!

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?

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Reply #219 posted 02/10/15 8:57pm

trax	I wish Prince would have backed and supported Beck against Kanye West instead of laughing at what Kanye did. Someone needs to put Kanye in his place
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Reply #220 posted 02/10/15 11:59pm

novabrkr	trax said: I wish Prince would have backed and supported Beck against Kanye West instead of laughing at what Kanye did. Someone needs to put Kanye in his place At that point everybody thought Kanye was just joking. Only later on did we find out that he wasn't joking after all.
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Reply #221 posted 02/11/15 12:01am

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trax said:

I wish Prince would have backed and supported Beck against Kanye West instead of laughing at what Kanye did. Someone needs to put Kanye in his place

Maybe she should kick his ass

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Reply #222 posted 02/11/15 5:14am

Revolution said:

That's bs. Those grand juries were setups, just like the one in the Mike Brown case. You are using your own personal prejudices regarding the protests against the shootings of unarmed and innocent Black men, to paint the whole movement as wrong. There is a reason why masses of people protest against excessive force/police brutataity and racial profiling, which is a major problem in the U.S. I am sure Prince who has nephews that reflect the image of Trayvon and Tamir, both unjustly murdered, would understand why it is important to show support against these types of abuses. These recent shootings and disregard for life by some badly trained and some prejudice cops, who shoot to kill as they see a black face, and not use any alternate methods, to preserve the life they immediately point their guns at unarmed Black children and adults, is equivalent to the lynching of Black men and women with no regard for their livesbbecsuse if who they are.

Perhaps you do not care how some young, Hispanic males are treated within your racial group, who also face this type of treatment by bad cops, such as what happened to the late Anthony Baez, but thank goodness there are others who do care. You shouldn't use your personal prejudices against those protesting to prevent bad cops from abusing their authority, and using their bad attitudes and prejudices to murder unarmed and innocent Blacks, including children.
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Reply #223 posted 02/11/15 5:43am

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Y'all are taking this way too seriously. With this I don't mean the problem of racism, because that is serious, but the little thing Prince said. "Albums, like books and black lives, still matter." He then gave a price to a white artist and hugged him and wasn't a dick about it-unlike somebody else we know. The Prince who said "I wish there was no black and white" and "race-in the space I mark human" is still with us.

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Reply #224 posted 02/11/15 6:14am

Javi

3rdeyedude said:

Javi said:

I find it interesting that he has said that "books matter". Has someone commented this? Sorry, I haven't thread the whole read, but it seems to me that it's more related to the racial than the cultural issue.

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you mean like........"hey black people, instead of focusing on this one small problem of police violence.......maybe u should try reading a book once in a while so you can get ahead of the game and not find yourself in police custody?"

No, not really. It's only that I find it interesting that he has spoken in favour of books and albums, which are culture and are frequently despised in our society. I wish this was discussed too, and not only the racial issue, which I, of course, approve as well.

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Reply #225 posted 02/11/15 6:14am

JoshuaWho said:

free2bfreeda said:

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said: But what is some fans' problem with his show of support for the Black community? He has always made donations in support of music and education for many Black students, so despite some fans bringing up comments he made in the past, and twisting it in their favor, doesn't dismiss the fact that the support and concern was always there, in many ways. His statement at the Grammys apparently shows he supports those who are in protest against police brutality and racial profiling given the current atmosphere and recent shootings of unarmed, Black males by cops. I think many of his non-black fans, not all, who don't understand that should at least try, instead of being angry over it. [Edited 2/10/15 15:59pm]

unfortunantly it's like a thing that mick jagger said in an interview about Jimi Hendrix, he stated that well "Jimi was ours."

i'm feeling a lot of prince fans think that prince is theirs and for him to say "black lives matter," is like he's committed a mutiny to his total fan base.

prince is a multi culturalist IMO.

I agree with most of your post. Prince was right not to allow anyone to limit his music abilities and creativity by putting him in one category of music just because he is a Black artist, so he had every right to demand not to be labeled as just another Black artist only doing r&b, where his music would have been limited to and labeled as r&b by record execs and music listeners, and would have pigeon-holed him into one form of music. I think many fans misinterpreted that for Prince not wanting to be Black, when it was more about him not wanting to be labeled as just another Black artist whose music isn't beyond r&b.

I remember an orger here explaining that the budget for many Black artists was small, especially for r&b Black artists at the time, and with that, so was their opportunity to show their creative skills for other forms of music outside of r&b.

It takes money to promote and advertise. So Prince was smart to not allow record labels/execs to not limit his creative output to one form of music, which would have pigeon-holed him as just another Black artist only doing r&b. This gave him the opportunity to educate his audience that Black musicians had the creative skills beyond r&b, quite frankly, their many contributions to the music industry proves that, and Prince was successful in getting that message across.

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Reply #226 posted 02/11/15 6:22am

Javi said:

3rdeyedude said:

Javi said:

I find it interesting that he has said that "books matter". Has someone commented this? Sorry, I haven't thread the whole read, but it seems to me that it's more related to the racial than the cultural issue.

[Edited 2/10/15 6:03am]

you mean like....."hey black people, instead of focusing on this one small problem of police violence.....maybe u should try reading a book once in a while so you can get ahead of the game and not find yourself in police custody?"

No, not really. It's only that I find it interesting that he has spoken in favour of books and albums, which are culture and are frequently despised in our society. I wish this was discussed too, and not only the racial issue, which I, of course, approve as well.

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Well with many in the population now downloading music and books, from the internet, with a click of a button, and with vinyl not being produced as much as it used to years ago, where people knew the value of albums, but less people today have physical copies of albums and books, which means those physical copies seem to have lost their value these days.

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Reply #227 posted 02/11/15 7:47am

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Revolution said:
Sig says it all. Prince used to be a leader. He is now a follower, even of racist movements.

Let's change the scenario, and see that 3 muslims were killed just for being muslim by an islamophobe (as just happened in North Carolina), and I tell you and everyone who ignores this event and refuse to cover it that #MuslimLivesMatter, is it racist? Or is it a completely rational response to a situation of injustice, indifference and apathy by the masses? The only thing racist in that context is the idea that muslim lives aren't worthy of the masses attention. Context is everything. If you chose not to try to understand the context or a person's statement, that says everything about you, not the person uttering the comments you're standing in judgment of.

Change it one more time..

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Reply #228 posted 02/11/15 7:54am

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Javi said:

No, not really. It's only that I find it interesting that he has spoken in favour of books and albums, which are culture and are frequently despised in our society. I wish this was discussed too, and not only the racial issue, which I, of course, approve as well.

Totally agree. I talked about what book I was reading to a group of my work colleagues just two days ago and someone had the balls to call me a nerd. On online profiles sometimes where they ask "Favorite Books", I see more and more people saying "I don't read" as if that were something to be proud of..

With respect to albums its a bit more tricky, but I understand Prince's point. In the future they may come out with "abridged" versions of movies, where you can just watch the highlights and leave out the full cinematic vision of the directors.

Change it one more time..

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Reply #229 posted 02/11/15 7:55am

Javi

2elijah said:
Javi said:

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Well with many in the population now downloading music and books, from the internet, with a click of a button, and with vinyl not being produced as much as it used to years ago, where people knew the value of albums, but less people today have physical copies of albums and books, which means those physical copies seem to have lost their value these days.

That's exactly why I appreciate Prince saying that books and albums matter. Hopefully, some people will listen to him.

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Reply #230 posted 02/11/15 8:13am

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Javi said:

2elijah said:
Javi said:
Well with many in the population now downloading music and books, from the internet, with a click of a button, and with vinyl not being produced as much as it used to years ago, where people knew the value of albums, but less people today have physical copies of albums and books, which means those physical copies seem to have lost their value these days.

That's exactly why I appreciate Prince saying that books and albums matter. Hopefully, some people will listen to him.

too bad he did not mention that vinyl has made a decent comeback in the last few years

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Reply #231 posted 02/11/15 8:33am

3rdeyedude said:

Javi said:

2elijah said:

Javi said:
Well with many in the population now downloading music and books, from the internet, with a click of a button, and with vinyl not being produced as much as it used to years ago, where people knew the value of albums, but less people today have physical copies of albums and books, which means those physical copies seem to have lost their value these days.

That's exactly why I appreciate Prince saying that books and albums matter. Hopefully, some people will listen to him.

too bad he did not mention that vinyl has made a decent comeback in the last few years

Not at the level and appreciation it had years ago, especially with this younger generation being far removed from the value of it.
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Reply #232 posted 02/11/15 8:34am

lezama said:

Revolution said:

Sig says it all. Prince used to be a leader. He is now a follower, even of racist movements.

:clap: Well said.

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Reply #233 posted 02/11/15 8:39am

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prince continues to boldly go where many other musicians will only try to go. he has the courage to speak his mind to the masses.

Javi said:

That's exactly why I appreciate Prince saying that books and albums matter.Hopefully, some people will listen to him.

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Reply #234 posted 02/11/15 8:51am

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lezama said:

Revolution said:

Sig says it all. Prince used to be a leader. He is now a follower, even of racist movements.

I just read they were killed in a fight over a parking lot, not because of religion. Not saying that makes it a bigger or lesser crime, just updating the news.

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Reply #235 posted 02/11/15 9:07am

OldFriends4Sal e	kpowers said: He didn't even get to acknowledge Prince the way you can tell he wanted to before Kanye came out of no where and scared him
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Reply #236 posted 02/11/15 9:13am

JoshuaWho said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I remeber Prince also said in 2011:

"It's fun being in Islamic countries, to know there's only one religion.

There's order.

You wear a burqa.

There's no choice.

People are happy with that."

What does that or the lyrics from Controversy have to do with anything on this thread?

Where are the lyrics from Controversy?
We are going by 'quotes' by Prince
You take it with a grain of sugar
Did anyone need Prince at this point to say 'Black Lives Matter'?
What I mean is just like in that quote he says those things about Muslim-Islamic culture (without seemingly understanding those things he's saying) You take it with a grain of sugar
Prince said Black lives Books and Music matter... cool Prince

and move on

I don't think anyone needs to get upset over it, up in arms

nor does anyone need to praise it as the word of god

I think the tangerine outfit was cool and the afro was nice and fluffy

and still wondering what the surprise was going to be if any

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Reply #237 posted 02/11/15 9:15am

Averett said:

JoshuaWho said:

What does that or the lyrics from Controversy have to do with anything on this thread?

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lol I said the same, if JoshueWho thinks those are the lyrics from Controversy he/she just discredited himself/herself from this discussion

You are all over Black lives, but don't know those are not the lyrics from Controversy written in (1981)
not said in 2011 lol

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Reply #238 posted 02/11/15 9:16am

Pokeno4Money said:

JoshuaWho said:

What does that or the lyrics from Controversy have to do with anything on this thread?

I posted the Controversy lyrics from the concert I attended to show that as recently as 2010 he was still endorsing his belief that the world would be better if there was no distinction between black and white and if there was no "rules" about how blacks should act or how whites should act. If he wasn't endorsing it, he would have skipped those particular lyrics or changed them instead of encouraging the crowd to repeatedly sing them.

And as I've said before, if Sunday night indicated he's changed his stance and he now supports the distinguishing of skin color and the causes that pertain to just one color, then I'm cool with it. But for me personally, I still fall in line with the Controversy lyrics because I hate labels of all kinds and I hate being told that I have to act a certain way or think a certain way just because of my race, ethnicity, gender or whatever.

great post

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Reply #239 posted 02/11/15 9:26am

2elijah said:
OldFriends4Sale said:

That doesn't mean he catered to them.

He didn't.
That's not what he started out doing, and he was clear he did not be defined
supposedly 'black people' were saying he 'left them' during the 1983-1986 years 'catering to white folk' ?

He wanted to reach all people, the UPTOWN utopia was in his message early on

But what is some fans' problem with his show of support for the Black community? He has always made donations in support of music and education for many Black students, so despite some fans bringing up comments he made in the past, and twisting it in their favor, doesn't dismiss the fact that the support and concern was always there, in many ways. His statement at the Grammys apparently shows he supports those who are in protest against police brutality and racial profiling given the current atmosphere and recent shootings of unarmed, Black males by cops. I think many of his non-black fans, not all, who don't understand that should at least try, instead of being angry over it. [Edited 2/10/15 17:58pm]

With an understand of the Purple Laws

I'll go about doing the Work

I don't think anyone needs to be up in arms about this, nor act like Prince just came down from the mountain that burnt, with Gods law written in tablets of stone

I think u said it, the airs of the Grammy's was Social awareness

Prince says he also thougth it was Muslim society is fun with women wear burqa's(which is a very misogenystic article of clothing) that there isn't any choice and people are happy with that.
It's Prince, I'm more appreciative of the standing ovations he receives

And all those things do matter
Now act like it Prince and promote your 2 current albums lol

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