KingSausage said:

jjam said:

At this rate, there'll be a leak of him taking a leak.

The Golden Shower Experience

kae510 said:

It could be Prince leaking them or the Publishing company he's got a new deal with.

.

People who say such BS should be banned from the Org.

.

STOP SPREADING LIES.

The only thing funnier than fans thinking Prince leaks this stuff is other fans, and Bart, getting mad at them for suggesting it...

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[Edited 11/12/14 23:18pm]

I don't know who would have access to these songs that would want to just release them to hurt Prince now. I mean if this is a revolution member then wouldn't they have done it sooner? like in the 80's? And why not release them all at once if this is someone's way to hurt him? If the songs are high quality and being released one at a time and not all at once then it seems like something Prince would do. I wish I could hear these songs!

rap said:

Is it plausible that Prince is behind these leaks?

KingSausage said:

No.

This might have been discussed at length in the past, but I never read a convincing argument why Prince would not leak material himself. I mean, for many of his hardcore fans, the whole bootleg-unreleased stuff, was a big part of their admiration and contributed to a very loyal fanbase throughout the years. What is the main argument for him not leaking stuff himself, knowing how big of a factor it is of how we perceive him and his music?

The outtakes would be in better quality too. I've yet to hear one that truly sounds of high quality audio release standard.

We all know it's Tony M. doing it anyway.

djThunderfunk said:

The only thing funnier than fans thinking Prince leaks this stuff is other fans, and Bart, getting mad at them for suggesting it...

EDIT: FIXED IT

[Edited 11/12/14 23:18pm]

It makes me mad, too

databank said:

Prince doesn't leak anything, all those recordings are indeed from tapes he gave to associates at the time, something he totally ceased to do after 1995, hence the total lack of outtakes ever since. Up until 95 he was reported to distribute tapes all around to musicians, Paisley Park staff, associated artists, girlfiends, WB execs... That's quite impressive given the hundreds of recording out there but it seems they all come from those tapes he gave away. According to Alan Leeds, Prince was quite upset when he realized all those tracks were out there and investigations were even made at PP at some point, but they couldn't find any evidence that anything had been stolen from the vault, so the tapes were the only possible source. For some years Prince kept distributing tapes despite being aware that they may end-up on boots eventually, then finally in 95 he decided it was enough and kept all his stuff for himself. Associates from the past 20 years testified that they would never get a tape: they had to go to the studio to record their part without any recording given to them prior to that for practice nor afterwards (meaning if the stuff wasn't released they don't have a copy at all). The only time a statement was made that opposed that theory was once made here: some orger claimed he knew people who'd been charged by Prince to contact bootleg labels and sell them the tapes of the whole Studio Nights and City Nights collections back in 95. Given how little bootleg labels can pay by Prince's standard, given that the collection also contained recordings by André Cymone and BrowMark, given that it wouldn't go past 1986 and even more given the fact that the collection contains very embarrassing recordings (the 76 demos!), I find this quite unlikely and the common consensus on the Org is that either that person lied or was lied to.

.

Prince has also constantly harrassed and shut down bootlegs websites, even fanzines publishing reviews of bootlegs for chrissakes! The last "clean-up" was only a few month ago! So IDK where the assessment that he doesn't come from (a new fan I guess).

.

+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

.

But anyway for any negationist who still wouldn't be convinced, truth is that we usually do know who leaks the stuff. When I say "we" I don't mean "I" or "everyone", but people in the know know, it's not like the shit pops-up from nowhere. Outtakes are often being tagged, discreet tags on the recording, so whoever gives/sells a copy to someone knows that it's their own copy that's leaked if/when it happens. Many of the recent leaks were also known for years to be circulating in some circles, and when one had read threads on this forum and other fan forums for as long as I have, one can pretty much understand how things work when it comes to "elite" collectors, outtakes trading and leaks. Some people have told quite a few interesting stories on this very forum. Now it seems among the "old" collectors there are people who think it's time to leak the stuff and some who don't and some of those people have been arguing about this for years. There are also people who give stuff to a good friend, or sell it for several hundred bucks, in exchange for the promise that it won't be leaked, but the new owner eventually break their word and leaks it (or give it to someone who does). The whole story's been more or less told on the Org for the past 15 years, one just needs to read every past thread about outtakes to figure it out.

.

So one needs to understand that this is not an open debate or a matter of opinion. When there are loads of elements indicating that something is A and no tangible element to suggest that it may be B, a rational approach has to accept it for being A until new solid elements have surfaced. So far, no such solid elements have, there isn't a single little thing to suggest that Prince may have purposedly leaked a single bootleg his entire life. Give me one and we can re-open the debate. Until then, there's simply no debate.

tatocorcu said:

paisleypark4 said:

Aww. Lawwwddd

What?

i would faint if I heard that

databank said:

+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

THIS!!

Thanks for for your elaborate reply Databank, very informative and good to read!

That post from Databank should be stickied, put in the FAQ and anywhere else that people might see it.

Say it with me: PRINCE DOES NOT LEAK BOOTLEGS. PRINCE DOES NOT LEAK BOOTLEGS. PRINCE DOES NOT LEAK BOOTLEGS.

Also, I'd just like to say THANK YOU to whoever IS leaking all of this stuff. You Are Appreciated.

Besides, the songs "The Dance Electric", "Kiss Me Quick" and The Flesh Sessions what other old school unreleased material has been leaked lately?

Out of the loop, I am!

Guys I sincerely believe it is Prince leaking these.

P.S., just like that hot dog, I too am indeed fucking with you over-serious ppl

databank said:

databank said:

Prince doesn't leak anything, all those recordings are indeed from tapes he gave to associates at the time, something he totally ceased to do after 1995, hence the total lack of outtakes ever since. Up until 95 he was reported to distribute tapes all around to musicians, Paisley Park staff, associated artists, girlfiends, WB execs... That's quite impressive given the hundreds of recording out there but it seems they all come from those tapes he gave away. According to Alan Leeds, Prince was quite upset when he realized all those tracks were out there and investigations were even made at PP at some point, but they couldn't find any evidence that anything had been stolen from the vault, so the tapes were the only possible source. For some years Prince kept distributing tapes despite being aware that they may end-up on boots eventually, then finally in 95 he decided it was enough and kept all his stuff for himself. Associates from the past 20 years testified that they would never get a tape: they had to go to the studio to record their part without any recording given to them prior to that for practice nor afterwards (meaning if the stuff wasn't released they don't have a copy at all). The only time a statement was made that opposed that theory was once made here: some orger claimed he knew people who'd been charged by Prince to contact bootleg labels and sell them the tapes of the whole Studio Nights and City Nights collections back in 95. Given how little bootleg labels can pay by Prince's standard, given that the collection also contained recordings by André Cymone and BrowMark, given that it wouldn't go past 1986 and even more given the fact that the collection contains very embarrassing recordings (the 76 demos!), I find this quite unlikely and the common consensus on the Org is that either that person lied or was lied to.

.

Prince has also constantly harrassed and shut down bootlegs websites, even fanzines publishing reviews of bootlegs for chrissakes! The last "clean-up" was only a few month ago! So IDK where the assessment that he doesn't come from (a new fan I guess).

.

+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

.

But anyway for any negationist who still wouldn't be convinced, truth is that we usually do know who leaks the stuff. When I say "we" I don't mean "I" or "everyone", but people in the know know, it's not like the shit pops-up from nowhere. Outtakes are often being tagged, discreet tags on the recording, so whoever gives/sells a copy to someone knows that it's their own copy that's leaked if/when it happens. Many of the recent leaks were also known for years to be circulating in some circles, and when one had read threads on this forum and other fan forums for as long as I have, one can pretty much understand how things work when it comes to "elite" collectors, outtakes trading and leaks. Some people have told quite a few interesting stories on this very forum. Now it seems among the "old" collectors there are people who think it's time to leak the stuff and some who don't and some of those people have been arguing about this for years. There are also people who give stuff to a good friend, or sell it for several hundred bucks, in exchange for the promise that it won't be leaked, but the new owner eventually break their word and leaks it (or give it to someone who does). The whole story's been more or less told on the Org for the past 15 years, one just needs to read every past thread about outtakes to figure it out.

.

So one needs to understand that this is not an open debate or a matter of opinion. When there are loads of elements indicating that something is A and no tangible element to suggest that it may be B, a rational approach has to accept it for being A until new solid elements have surfaced. So far, no such solid elements have, there isn't a single little thing to suggest that Prince may have purposedly leaked a single bootleg his entire life. Give me one and we can re-open the debate. Until then, there's simply no debate.

Agree 1000%. What I think should convince the hardcore elite collectors, is look how much positive discussion and comraderie has been going on here at the org since the recent links. This board is FNG ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WITH POSITIVITY!

Purple Music is particularly lush.

Here's an old post from AMP:

T Apr 30 1998, 9:00 am show options
Newsgroups: alt.music.prince
From: t...@mindspring.com (T) - Find messages by this author
Date: 1998/04/30
Subject: Re: Bootleg questions HOW TAPES REALLY get out!!!!

greneg8...@aol.com (GReneg8844) wrote:
>2) And I STILL don't understand how tunes recorded in Prince's own house
>(Uptown) can end up as bootlegs. Is he behind his own bootlegs or are the
>people he invited to his house to engineer the sessions dishonest people?

Invited into his house???? DISHONEST??? Listen man.. NO ONE
INVITES>. Ppl get PAID to do what they are good at and THAT's why
they get "invited".. When you mix.. SOME Engineers like to test what
their mixes sound like on car systems.. That means dub a cassette
down / DAT / CDR and jump in the car and listen...

BUT the MAIN way this stuff gets out is this...

Prince records a demo.. Engineer dubs a copy... Mixdown engineer
dubs a copy of his mixes... In the meantime a Band member asks for a
copy to be slipped in his bag when Prince is not looking.... Send to
Publishing Co.... That's ANOTHER copy sent from DESK TO DESK getting
logged and cataloged... Somewhere down the line the tape gets
taken...

A new album project gets sent to the mastering co. Engineer make a
master disc and a few test discs.. One goes home with him.. etc...
New LP demo's gets sent to a lable... An executive gives the tape to
a nephew who loves Prince / Accuaintance who gets him drunk enough to
give him the tape (Yes I'm telling your story you punk A*s b*tch!)

OR MY FAVORITE!!!!!
Prince likes a girl.. Gives said girl a tape of stuff... New girl
tommorrow night will get another tape... ETC. ETC. ETC!!!!!

So how do these ppl become DISHONEST????? Looks to me like Prince
gives the stuff out most of the time! How do I know??? I have A FEW
of those actual tapes he GAVE to girls!!!!!

>I'm interested to see what you all think. Thanks.

This is FACT!!!!



T

[Edited 11/13/14 13:52pm]

SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

databank said:

Prince doesn't leak anything, all those recordings are indeed from tapes he gave to associates at the time, something he totally ceased to do after 1995, hence the total lack of outtakes ever since. Up until 95 he was reported to distribute tapes all around to musicians, Paisley Park staff, associated artists, girlfiends, WB execs... That's quite impressive given the hundreds of recording out there but it seems they all come from those tapes he gave away. According to Alan Leeds, Prince was quite upset when he realized all those tracks were out there and investigations were even made at PP at some point, but they couldn't find any evidence that anything had been stolen from the vault, so the tapes were the only possible source. For some years Prince kept distributing tapes despite being aware that they may end-up on boots eventually, then finally in 95 he decided it was enough and kept all his stuff for himself. Associates from the past 20 years testified that they would never get a tape: they had to go to the studio to record their part without any recording given to them prior to that for practice nor afterwards (meaning if the stuff wasn't released they don't have a copy at all). The only time a statement was made that opposed that theory was once made here: some orger claimed he knew people who'd been charged by Prince to contact bootleg labels and sell them the tapes of the whole Studio Nights and City Nights collections back in 95. Given how little bootleg labels can pay by Prince's standard, given that the collection also contained recordings by André Cymone and BrowMark, given that it wouldn't go past 1986 and even more given the fact that the collection contains very embarrassing recordings (the 76 demos!), I find this quite unlikely and the common consensus on the Org is that either that person lied or was lied to.

.

Prince has also constantly harrassed and shut down bootlegs websites, even fanzines publishing reviews of bootlegs for chrissakes! The last "clean-up" was only a few month ago! So IDK where the assessment that he doesn't come from (a new fan I guess).

.

+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

.

But anyway for any negationist who still wouldn't be convinced, truth is that we usually do know who leaks the stuff. When I say "we" I don't mean "I" or "everyone", but people in the know know, it's not like the shit pops-up from nowhere. Outtakes are often being tagged, discreet tags on the recording, so whoever gives/sells a copy to someone knows that it's their own copy that's leaked if/when it happens. Many of the recent leaks were also known for years to be circulating in some circles, and when one had read threads on this forum and other fan forums for as long as I have, one can pretty much understand how things work when it comes to "elite" collectors, outtakes trading and leaks. Some people have told quite a few interesting stories on this very forum. Now it seems among the "old" collectors there are people who think it's time to leak the stuff and some who don't and some of those people have been arguing about this for years. There are also people who give stuff to a good friend, or sell it for several hundred bucks, in exchange for the promise that it won't be leaked, but the new owner eventually break their word and leaks it (or give it to someone who does). The whole story's been more or less told on the Org for the past 15 years, one just needs to read every past thread about outtakes to figure it out.

.

So one needs to understand that this is not an open debate or a matter of opinion. When there are loads of elements indicating that something is A and no tangible element to suggest that it may be B, a rational approach has to accept it for being A until new solid elements have surfaced. So far, no such solid elements have, there isn't a single little thing to suggest that Prince may have purposedly leaked a single bootleg his entire life. Give me one and we can re-open the debate. Until then, there's simply no debate.

you know what's really sad? people are going to be starting another thread in a few days,

asking if prince is behind the recent leaks heck, i'm sure there will be one or two who

will post in this thread and be all "yeah prince leaks this i'm sure, or his publishing comp,

or his lawyer slips a copy to bootleggers because prince wants these tunes out there".

it's disturbing to see how often great, well thought out posts with reason and fact (like this

one you just posted) get completely ignored by the people who asked the damn question

in the first place

EvilAngel said:

Here's an old post from AMP:

T Apr 30 1998, 9:00 am show options
Newsgroups: alt.music.prince
From: t...@mindspring.com (T) - Find messages by this author
Date: 1998/04/30
Subject: Re: Bootleg questions HOW TAPES REALLY get out!!!!

greneg8...@aol.com (GReneg8844) wrote:
>2) And I STILL don't understand how tunes recorded in Prince's own house
>(Uptown) can end up as bootlegs. Is he behind his own bootlegs or are the
>people he invited to his house to engineer the sessions dishonest people?

Invited into his house???? DISHONEST??? Listen man.. NO ONE
INVITES>. Ppl get PAID to do what they are good at and THAT's why
they get "invited".. When you mix.. SOME Engineers like to test what
their mixes sound like on car systems.. That means dub a cassette
down / DAT / CDR and jump in the car and listen...

BUT the MAIN way this stuff gets out is this...

Prince records a demo.. Engineer dubs a copy... Mixdown engineer
dubs a copy of his mixes... In the meantime a Band member asks for a
copy to be slipped in his bag when Prince is not looking.... Send to
Publishing Co.... That's ANOTHER copy sent from DESK TO DESK getting
logged and cataloged... Somewhere down the line the tape gets
taken...

A new album project gets sent to the mastering co. Engineer make a
master disc and a few test discs.. One goes home with him.. etc...
New LP demo's gets sent to a lable... An executive gives the tape to
a nephew who loves Prince / Accuaintance who gets him drunk enough to
give him the tape (Yes I'm telling your story you punk A*s b*tch!)

OR MY FAVORITE!!!!!
Prince likes a girl.. Gives said girl a tape of stuff... New girl
tommorrow night will get another tape... ETC. ETC. ETC!!!!!

So how do these ppl become DISHONEST????? Looks to me like Prince
gives the stuff out most of the time! How do I know??? I have A FEW
of those actual tapes he GAVE to girls!!!!!

>I'm interested to see what you all think. Thanks.

This is FACT!!!!



T

speaking of which, anna garcia had some tapes, didn't she?

she sold some of the stuff she got from prince a while ago,

but i can't remember if she also sold some tapes.

if she did, perhaps "Anna Waiting" was on one of them; the

original version of "Vicky Waiting". i'd love to hear that one

someday.

While I no longer believe that Prince releases his own bootlegs, I do believe that he "get[s] off" on knowing how much fans "cream" over them. In a way, it's his "alternate reality" catalog [we all know how much Prince loves these silly mind games that he tries to play ]. I often separate the real fans from the regulars through bootlegs.

The whole '95 & after bootleg talk is funny though. I kinda feel that the decline in boots after that also comes from Prince's decline as a creative artist too. Not much avant-garde has come out since then either, imo.

My lawd...I haven't seen this much leakage since I watched that video on enlarged prostate symptoms.

.

Thank you and good night!

BartVanHemelen said:

kae510 said:

It could be Prince leaking them or the Publishing company he's got a new deal with.

.

People who say such BS should be banned from the Org.

.

STOP SPREADING LIES.

Wow really ? Not spreading LIES , just giving my thoughts about the "LEAK" situation like everyone else .

KingSausage said:

No.

What makes you so sure?

databank said:

databank said:

Prince doesn't leak anything, all those recordings are indeed from tapes he gave to associates at the time, something he totally ceased to do after 1995, hence the total lack of outtakes ever since. Up until 95 he was reported to distribute tapes all around to musicians, Paisley Park staff, associated artists, girlfiends, WB execs... That's quite impressive given the hundreds of recording out there but it seems they all come from those tapes he gave away. According to Alan Leeds, Prince was quite upset when he realized all those tracks were out there and investigations were even made at PP at some point, but they couldn't find any evidence that anything had been stolen from the vault, so the tapes were the only possible source. For some years Prince kept distributing tapes despite being aware that they may end-up on boots eventually, then finally in 95 he decided it was enough and kept all his stuff for himself. Associates from the past 20 years testified that they would never get a tape: they had to go to the studio to record their part without any recording given to them prior to that for practice nor afterwards (meaning if the stuff wasn't released they don't have a copy at all). The only time a statement was made that opposed that theory was once made here: some orger claimed he knew people who'd been charged by Prince to contact bootleg labels and sell them the tapes of the whole Studio Nights and City Nights collections back in 95. Given how little bootleg labels can pay by Prince's standard, given that the collection also contained recordings by André Cymone and BrowMark, given that it wouldn't go past 1986 and even more given the fact that the collection contains very embarrassing recordings (the 76 demos!), I find this quite unlikely and the common consensus on the Org is that either that person lied or was lied to.

.

Prince has also constantly harrassed and shut down bootlegs websites, even fanzines publishing reviews of bootlegs for chrissakes! The last "clean-up" was only a few month ago! So IDK where the assessment that he doesn't come from (a new fan I guess).

.

+ the mere notion that Prince would leak stuff NOW of all times, when he actually has regained rights over his full catalogue and is now free to make money with it, is ridiculous.

.

But anyway for any negationist who still wouldn't be convinced, truth is that we usually do know who leaks the stuff. When I say "we" I don't mean "I" or "everyone", but people in the know know, it's not like the shit pops-up from nowhere. Outtakes are often being tagged, discreet tags on the recording, so whoever gives/sells a copy to someone knows that it's their own copy that's leaked if/when it happens. Many of the recent leaks were also known for years to be circulating in some circles, and when one had read threads on this forum and other fan forums for as long as I have, one can pretty much understand how things work when it comes to "elite" collectors, outtakes trading and leaks. Some people have told quite a few interesting stories on this very forum. Now it seems among the "old" collectors there are people who think it's time to leak the stuff and some who don't and some of those people have been arguing about this for years. There are also people who give stuff to a good friend, or sell it for several hundred bucks, in exchange for the promise that it won't be leaked, but the new owner eventually break their word and leaks it (or give it to someone who does). The whole story's been more or less told on the Org for the past 15 years, one just needs to read every past thread about outtakes to figure it out.

.

So one needs to understand that this is not an open debate or a matter of opinion. When there are loads of elements indicating that something is A and no tangible element to suggest that it may be B, a rational approach has to accept it for being A until new solid elements have surfaced. So far, no such solid elements have, there isn't a single little thing to suggest that Prince may have purposedly leaked a single bootleg his entire life. Give me one and we can re-open the debate. Until then, there's simply no debate.

He is also a hypocrite, liar, frequently changes his mind and contradicts himself.

rap said:

electrodyne said:

Besides, the songs "The Dance Electric", "Kiss Me Quick" and The Flesh Sessions what other old school unreleased material has been leaked lately?

I've heard

Purple Music. Its not EX, But now its listenable, enjoyable

Dinner With Deloris. The old curculating copy is very low, muffled, poor, almost unlistenable. The update is clear and vibrant
Madonna's Love Song (Album Inst.) flac, But appears this has been around for a while, still a nice find