minneapolisgenius said

Damn, that reminded me of Dr. Evil, "My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, in Spring, we would make meat helmets..."

Have you ever had a shorn scrotum? You should try it...it's breathtaking!

mistermcgee said:

Hehehehe

misschestylarue said:

don't tell me what to do. i just stated my opinion and did not believe my response warranted some young ass person to tell me that what i feel is wrong no body was talking to you and your trying to tell me to be quiet on a disscussion forum. the courses i took in college are the curriculum that students have to pass to become registered nurses. now if someone is trying to call my bluff on something and i provide statements from text i have the right to respond. bottom line i stopped talking about prince and mayte's asses long time ago in my posts. it was about healthy babies. and i stated i know people who were there at that time. this person talking to me wasn't even old enough to get into glam slam at the time this all took place. so you stay quiet.

tackam said:

how can you say that what this person told you was ignorant you still have not provided any statements or put out any medical sources for us "ignorant" people to base your opinion on. i think its ignorant to deprive your body of its basic needs and if you have to take pills instead of just eating food isn't that kind of ignorant. i would rather have an orange or drink some milk or eat a steak before i'd spend the rest of my life choking down pills. but like i said earlier there are people who's bodies don't absorb supplements in pill form and everyone can't afford to get shots all the time. this is all just my opinion and the least you could do is respect the fact that i have one, without trying to insult my intelligence. i did state that if you had a baby on a vegan diet well God bless you. i never said that you should or anyone else should stop what they are doing but just putting to info out there that altering your diet like that during pregnancy is dangerous. the foods you eat stack on top of each other one food absorbs the nutrients another food provides and differnt parts of your body needs different foods to do different things. are there any doctors or nurses on the org over the age of 23 feel free to speak your mind and let us all know whats up.

IstenSzek said:

thank you, thank you, thank you. this person still did not provide any medical sources to back up her claim. the american term is the same for the open back condition you stated also there is another form call meningocele which is a sac that is filled with cerebral spinal fluid that is protruding outside of the baby's back. this form is genetic and also environmental factors can also play a part. this information comes from: essentials of human diseases and conditions published in 2000.

MightBQueen said:

God bless you for the health of you and your baby and thank you for being an example for vegans. the main thing of my statement was that all women cannot be vegans while they are pregnant or maybe even at all. i don't promote supplements. i would rather eat and get the nutrition from foods. my mother and i are both anemic and we need all the meat and veggies we can eat. being an african american and anemic i need all of the things that a healthy diet can provide and more iron. i know my history and im frightened about that, i also know and am glad that my father didn't have anemia because i would have cickle cell anemia and im also glad my husband isn't anemic also cause my child could get cickle cell too. i do have a bad back, i have two slipped disks but in the end it's all about a healthy diet and having regular doctor appointments which im sure you do. congratulations! I hope to have a baby also by the end of the year.

Thank you, TRUNKS for sharing an unbiased opinion. I have heard that alcohol and drug consumption caused deformities in babies. Now I know that unsupervised nutrition can have devastating effects as well.
Poor Mayte. I hope she is healing and never ever looks back.

gyro34 said:

thankyou,Gyro34 for your compliment. i almost didn't even log in. i felt that my statements were taken out of context. i just gave an opinion of the article and expressed my fears about MY health and getting ready to try to have a child of my own. every diet is not good for everyone. it tried the 48 hr diet and thought i was going to faint by day two my heart was racing and i felt dizzy. i want to lose a little weight but its not worth dying for. whats good for prince was probably not good for mayte (yall saw her cooking that steak on vh1)(smile). being on all these different diets and taking supplements isn't good for everyone. some people have allergies to different foods. bottom line though if any woman gets pregnant she needs to be under the constant care and supervision of her doctor no matter what her diet intake is period.

Oh, goodness, people: eat whatthefuck you wanna eat. Everyone's bodies and tastes are different, don't anybody tell somebody else what they should and should not fucking eat--unless you ask for that advice. No one here is right or wrong, (although you all seem hell-bent on proving that you're right, one way or t'other, getting all defensive and shit). We don't know why P's baby died, and we don't know why some babies who have mothers who do all kinds of unhealthy behaviors during pregnancy are born healthy...

I don’t believe a word this newspaper article says. This is a tabloid newspaper in the UK that write what they wish and are constantly getting sued and apologising for there salacious material.

Now as to Pregnancy and health my turn, i have had Three yes 3 children and have also lost a child so i do know a little and here is the health announcement:

What should you eat?

A healthy diet is an important part of a healthy lifestyle at any time, but particularly if you are pregnant or are planning a pregnancy. Eating healthily during pregnancy will help your baby develop and grow and will help keep you fit and well. You don’t need to go on a special diet, but make sure that you eat a variety of different foods every day in order to get the right balance of nutrients that you and your baby need.

You should also avoid certain foods to be on the safe side.

There’s no need to ‘eat for two’ when you are pregnant. It’s the quality not the quantity that’s important. With a few exceptions you can continue to eat all the foods you enjoy (see *Take care with some foods). Eating healthily often means just changing the amounts of different foods that you eat rather than cutting out all your favourites.

The Balance of Good Health illustrates the mixture of different foods you need in your diet and the proportions you should eat them in.

Fruit and vegetables
Try to eat at least five servings a day. This can include a glass of pure fruit juice.

This food group includes fresh frozen and canned fruit and vegetables, salads, dried fruit, fruit.

Meat. fish and alternatives
Eat one or two servings a day. Choose lean meat, remove the skin from poultry and cook using
the minimum of fat. Try to eat oily fish at least once a week.

Foods containing fat, foods containing sugar
Limit the amount you eat. This food group includes all spreading fats, oils, salad dressings, cream, chocolate, crisps, biscuits, pastries, ice-cream, cake, puddings, fizzy drinks.

Milk and dairy foods
Try to eat several servings a day,using low-fat varieties whenever you can. This food group includes milk, yoghurt, meat (except liver), fish, poultry, eggs, beans, pulses, nuts (except peanuts).

Bread, other cereals and potatoes
Make these the main part of every meal, eat wholegrain varieties when you can.

This food group includes bread, potatoes, breakfast cereals, pasta, rice, oats, noodles, maize, millet, yams, cornmeal, sweet potatoes.

Eat plenty of fruit and vegetables as these provide the vitamins and minerals, as well as fibre which helps digestion and prevents constipation. Eat them lightly cooked in a little water or raw to get the most out of them. Frozen, tinned and dried fruit and vegetables are good too.

Starchy foods like bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, chapatis, yams and breakfast cereals are an important part of any diet and should, with vegetables, form the main part of any meal. They are satisfying, without containing too many calories, and are an important source of vitamins and fibre.

Try eating wholemeal bread and wholegrain cereals when you can.

Lean meat, fish, poultry, eggs, cheese, beans and pulses are all good sources of nutrients. Eat some every day.

Dairy foods, like milk, cheese and yoghurt are important as they contain calcium and other nutrients needed for your baby’s development. Choose low-fat varieties wherever possible. You can get seven pints of milk free per week if you are on income Support or income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance.

Try to cut down on sugar and sugary foods like sweets, biscuits and cakes and sugary drinks like cola. Sugar contains calories without providing any other nutrients the body needs. It also adds to the risk of tooth decay.

Cut down on fat and fatty foods as well. Most of us eat far more fat than we need. Fat is very high in calories and too much can cause excess weight gain and increase the risk of heart disease and it

Have drinks which contain caffeine – coffee, tea and colas – in moderation, as there may be a slight risk that too much caffeine will affect your baby’s birthweight. Try decaffeinated tea and coffee , fruit juice or mineral water.

Vitamins and minerals
Green, leafy vegetables, lean meat, dried fruit and nuts contain iron. If you are short of iron you’re likely to get very tired and may suffer from anaemia.
Citrus fruit, tomatoes, broccoli, blackcurrants and potatoes are good sources of vitamin C, which you need to help you to absorb iron.
Dairy products, fish with edible bones like sardines, bread, nuts (Note: current advice suggests that peanuts should be avoided during pregnancy and when breast feeding in order to reduce the incidence of allergies in children.) and green vegetables are rich in calcium, which is vital for making bones and teeth.

Margarine, oily fish (like sardines) and taramasalata contain vitamin D to keep your bones healthy and to provide your baby with vitamin D to last during the first few months of life. The best source of vitamin D is summer sunlight, but make sure that you wear a high protection sunblock when you are in the sunlight and never burn. If you have dark skin, or always cover your skin, you may be particularly at risk of vitamin D deficiency. Ask your doctor if you need to take a vitamin D supplement.

You need extra folic acid from the time you start trying to conceive until the 12th week of pregnancy. This can help prevent birth defects, which are known asneural tube defects, such as spinabifida. You can get folic acid from green, leafy vegetables, but don’t overcook them as this destroys the vitamin. Some breakfast cereals and breads have had folic acid added to them, so look at the label. Regardless of what you eat, always take a 400 microgram (0.4 milligram) folic acid tablet every day.

These are available from pharmacies and supermarkets or your GP may able to prescribe them for you. Ask your GP or pharmacist for advice if you are unsure.

Vitamin supplements
It’s best to get the vitamins and minerals you need from the food you eat.
Some people, like those on a restricted diet, need extra, especially vitamin D.
Ask your doctor whether you should take vitamin supplements. Don’t take extra vitamin A supplements without advice as too much could harm your baby.

Folic acid

This vitamin is special. You need to take a 400 microgram (0.4 milligram) tablet every day from the time you start trying to conceive. Continue taking the supplement right up until you’re 12 weeks pregnant. Even if you didn’t take folic acid before conceiving, it’s worth starting as soon as you find out that you’re pregnant and you should still continue until you’re 12 weeks pregnant.

If you have had a baby with spina bifida before, or are taking medication for epilepsy, you will need to take a bigger dose of folic acid. Speak to your doctor about this.

Vegetarian, vegan and special diets

Providing a vegetarian diet is varied and balanced, it will provide adequate nutrients for you and your baby during pregnancy. However, iron and vitamin B12 can be hard to obtain from a vegetarian diet. Talk to your doctor or midwife about ways to increase intakes of these important nutrients. If you are vegan (i.e. you cut out all animal products from your diet), or you follow another type of restricted diet such as gluten free, for example, because of food intolerance e.g Coeliac disease or for religious reasons, talk to your doctor or midwife. Ask to be referred to a dietitian for advice on how to eat healthily during pregnancy.

Take care with some foods
Besides eating a wide variety of foods, there are certain precautions you should take in order to safeguard your baby’s well being as well as your own.

Cook all meat and poultry thoroughly so that there is no trace of pink or blood and wash all surfaces and utensils after preparing raw meat.

This will help to avoid infection with Toxoplasma, which may cause toxoplasmosis and can harm your baby.

Wash fruit, vegetables and salads to remove all traces of soil which may contain Toxoplasma.

Make sure eggs are thoroughly cooked until the whites and yolks are solid, to prevent the risk of Salmonella food poisoning, and avoid foods containing raw and undercooked eggs like home-made mayonnaise, ice-cream, cheesecake or mousse.

Avoid eating all types of paté and mould-ripened soft cheese, like Brie and Camembert, and similar blue-veined varieties, like Stilton or Danish blue, because of the risk of Listeria infection. You can eat hard cheeses such as cheddar and parmesan, and other cheeses made from pasteurised milk such as cottage cheese, mozzarella cheese and cheese spreads. Although Listeria is a very rare disease, it is important to take special precautions during pregnancy because even the mild form of the illness can lead to miscarriage, stillbirth or severe illness in the newborn.

Pregnancy and weight

Most women gain between 10–12.5 kg (22–28 lb). Weight gain varies a great deal and depends on your weight before pregnancy. If you’re concerned, talk to your midwife or GP. They may have special advice for you if you weigh more than 100 kg or less than 50 kg.

Drink only pasteurised or UHT milk which has had the harmful germs destroyed. If only raw or green-top milk is available, boil it before you drink it. Don’t drink unpasteurised goat’s or sheep’s milk or eat their milk products.

Don’t eat liver or liver products, like liver paté or liver sausage, as they may contain a lot of vitamin A. Too much vitamin A could harm your baby.

Avoid eating peanuts and foods containing peanut products (e.g. peanut butter, unrefined groundnut oil, some snacks, etc.) if you or your baby’s father or any previous children have a history of hayfever, asthma, eczema or other allergies. This may reduce the risk of your baby developing a potentially serious allergy to peanuts. Read food labels carefully and, if you are still in doubt about the contents, avoid these foods.

Smoking



When you smoke, carbon monoxide and nicotine pass into your lungs and bloodstream. This means that:

a) your baby gets less oxygen and cannot grow as well as it should, and

b) the nicotine makes your baby’s heart beat faster.

Breathing in other people’s smoke makes the baby more likely to suffer from asthma attacks, chest infections, coughs and colds, and to be admitted to hospital.

stop smoking now:

you’re more likely to have a healthier pregnancy and a healthier baby; you’ll cope better with the birth;your baby will cope better with any birth complication; your baby is less likely to be born too early and have to face the additional breathing, feeding and health problems which so often go with prematurity your baby is less likely to be born underweight and have extra problems in keeping warm. Babies of mothers who smoke are, on average, 200 g (about 8 oz) lighter than other babies. These babies may have problems during and after labour and are more prone to infection; it will be better for your baby later too. Children whose parents smoke are more likely to suffer later on from illnesses which need hospital treatment (such as asthma); you will reduce the risk of cot death.

The sooner you stop, the better. But stopping even in the last few weeks of pregnancy can be beneficial.

Alcohol

There is no evidence that light or occasional drinking in pregnancy will harm your baby. But research shows that heavy or frequent drinking can seriously harm your baby’s development. To be on the safe side, stop altogether or stick to no more than one or two ‘units’ of alcohol once or twice a week.

If you have difficulty cutting down, talk to your doctor or midwife. Confidential help and support is available from local counselling services.

If you’re drinking with friends:

find a non-alcoholic drink you enjoy;

if you drink alcohol, sip it slowly to make it last;

if people try to pressure you into drinking,refuse politely but firmly;

avoid getting drunk.

1/2 pint ordinary strength beer, lager or cider a single measure of spirit (whisky, gin, bacardi, vodka, etc.)

a small (160ml) glass of wine

a small glass of sherry or a measure of vermouth

Herbal and homeopathic remedies and aromatherapy

Not all ‘natural’ remedies are safe in pregnancy. Make sure that your practitioner is qualified (contact the Institute for Complementary Medicine) and tell him or her that you are pregnant. Tell your midwife or doctor which remedies you are using.

Pills, medicines and other drugs
Some pills and medicines can harm your baby’s health so, to be on the safe side, you should: assume that all medicines are dangerous until a doctor or pharmacist can tell you they are safe; make sure your doctor or dentist knows you’re pregnant before prescribing anything or giving you treatment; talk to your doctor at the first possible moment if you take regular medication.

But do remember that it is safer to take some medicines, for example those used to treat epilepsy and diabetes, than to leave the illness untreated.

Illegal drugs (street drugs) can harm your baby. Taking cocaine or smoking crack may be especially harmful because both cause a sudden drop in blood and oxygen to the placenta. It’s important to talk to your doctor or midwife straightaway so they can refer you to a maintenance reduction programme. X-rays should be avoided in pregnancy if possible. Make sure your dentist knows you are pregnant.

Vegan's:

The Importance of Good Nutrition
Research during the 1990s has revealed that a pregnant woman's diet, and that of her infant during the first year of life can affect the child's health 40, 50 or even 60 years later. This research establishes the importance of good nutrition during pregnancy and infancy. A pregnant woman requires extra nutrition to support the growing foetus and to allow for changes in her body. A series of studies at the Farm, a vegan community in the USA, show that vegans can have healthy pregnancies and that infants and children can safely follow a vegan diet.

The First Few Months
Recommendations for many vitamins and minerals are higher in pregnancy but the increase in energy (calorie) requirements is relatively small. The pattern of weight gain is different for every woman. General guidelines include a little weight gain in the first trimester (first 3 months). In the second and third trimesters a weight gain of a pound a week is common. If weight gain is slow or nonexistent then more food needs to be consumed. For example, eat more often or foods higher in fat and lower in bulk. If weight gain is high, then take a look at the types of foods eaten. Try to ensure that any sweet or fatty foods are replaced with fresh fruit, vegetables, pulses and grains (e.g. wholemeal bread, rice, etc). If the diet is already fairly healthy, then try to ensure more exercise is taken e.g. walking, swimming, etc. on a daily basis.

There is little, if any, increase in calorific needs during the first trimester. However, in order to support the recommended weight gain during the second and third trimesters, an extra 300 calories will be required. 300 calories is a fairly small increase compared to the increases required for other nutrients so it is important to use those calories in a wise manner. For example, instead of drinking 2 cans of cola, 300 calories worth of fruit and vegetables should be consumed which will also provide vitamin and mineral needs.

Several small meals should be eaten during the day. Don't miss breakfast and eat a huge lunch. It is important to provide a regular supply of nutrients to the growing foetus. Babies do not do well fasting for hours on end.

The following chart gives examples of nutrients required for a healthy body and foods that provide these nutrients:

aim to eat a varied wholefood diet and choose foods from the following food groups on a daily basis

1 Cereals e.g. barley, rice, wheat (bread, pasta, shredded wheat), oats, millet, corn, bulgur, cous cous, etc

2 Pulses e.g. beans, peas, lentils (cooked or sprouted)

3 Nuts & Seeds e.g. all types of nuts, nut butters (peanut butter, cashew nut butter etc), pumpkin, sunflower and sesame seeds and tahini (sesame seed spread)

4 Vegetables (cooked and/or raw) Deep yellow & dark green leafy vegetables include carrots, green peppers, broccoli, spinach, endive and kale. Other vegetables include bean sprouts, potatoes, tomatoes, lettuce, cabbage, sweet corn, celery, onions, cucumbers, beetroot, marrows, courgettes and cauliflower.

5 Fruits (fresh, dried and tinned) e.g. bananas, oranges, tangerines, grapefruit, apples, mangoes, cherries, grapes, apricots, pear, paw paws, kiwis, berries, currants, lemons and plums.

Vegan sources of key nutrients
Protein
Whole grains (e.g. whole-wheat flour and bread, brown rice), nuts (e.g. hazels, cashews, brazils, almonds), sunflower and other seeds, pulses (e.g. peas, lentils, beans), soya flour, soya milk, tofu .

Carbohydrates
Whole grains (e.g. wheat, oats, barley, rice), whole-wheat bread, pasta and other flour products, lentils, beans, potatoes, dried and fresh fruit.

Fats
Nuts and seeds, nut and seed oils, vegan margarine, avocados.

Essential Fatty Acids
Two polyunsaturated fatty acids not made by the body are linoleic acid (omega 6 group) and alpha-linolenic acid (omega 3 group).

Linoleic acid - safflower, sunflower, corn, evening primrose & soya oils.

Alpha-linolenic acid - linseed, pumpkin seed, walnut, soya & rapeseed (canola) oils.

Vitamins
A - Carrots, spinach, pumpkins, tomatoes, dark greens, vegan margarines.

B - Nuts, whole-grains, oats, muesli, pulses, yeast extract (e.g. Marmite), leafy green vegetables, potatoes, mushrooms and dried fruit.

B12 - Fortified yeast extracts and soya milks, vegan margarines, packeted 'veggie-burger' mixes. Possibly: Fermented foods (eg. tamari, miso and tempeh), sea vegetables (e.g. hijiki, wakame and spirulina).

C - Citrus fruits (e.g. oranges, lemons, grapefruit), red and blackcurrants, berries, green vegetables and potatoes.

D - Sunlight, some soya milks and vegan margarines.

E - Nuts, seeds, whole grains and flours, vegetable oils.

Folate - Wheatgerm, raw or lightly-cooked green leafy vegetables (e.g. watercress, broccoli, spinach), yeast, yeast extracts, nuts, peas, runner beans, oranges, dates, avocados, whole grains.

Minerals
Calcium - Molasses, seeds, nuts, carob, pulses (e.g. soya beans, tofu, haricot beans, miso-fermented soya bean curd), parsley, figs (dried), sea vegetables, grains (e.g. oatmeal), fortified soya milk.

Iron - Seeds, nuts, pulses, miso, grains, dried fruit, molasses, sea vegetables, parsley, green leafy vegetables, using cast-iron cookware.

zinc - Wheatgerm, wholegrains (wholemeal bread, rice, oats), nuts, pulses, tofu, soya protein, miso, peas, parsley, bean sprouts.

Water
The state of pregnancy is a "watery" one, and the pregnant woman requires extra water for making additional blood for herself, the baby, and the three to six quarts of amniotic fluid in her uterus. She should try to drink at least four to six eight-ounce glasses per day in the form of pure water, fruit juices or vegetable juices. The balance of water needed (total 2-3 quarts daily) can be obtained from the watery fruits, vegetables, soups and salads, which are abundant in the vegan diet.

Folate
Pregnant women must ensure adequate folate (folacin) consumption to protect their unborn children from neural tube defects such as spina bifida. Studies suggest this is plentiful in the diets of vegan adults. The Department of Health advises women considering having a baby and those who are pregnant to take a folate supplement as well as consuming foods rich in the vitamin. In the UK, 1991 recommendations for pregnant women were 300ug per day and for nursing mothers 260ug per day. All women wishing to conceive should take 400ug per day and continue this during the first 12 weeks.

Vitamin B12
Pregnant women do not require more than the average 1.5ug per day. Breast feeding women require 2ug per day. During pregnancy a woman's own laid-down body stores of B12 are not readily available to the foetus which builds up its own supply from the mother's current dietary intake of the vitamin. If B12 intake is low during pregnancy, the foetus will not have adequate stores of the vitamin and this may lead to a deficiency sometime after birth - even though the mother herself may have no clinical symptoms.

Calcium
Studies have shown that vegans' intake of calcium is adequate; there have been no reports of calcium deficiency. The high boron (rich in fruit and vegetables) content of the vegan diet and the exclusion of meat helps the body conserve calcium. Studies of the bones of vegans and vegetarians show that the likelihood of osteoporosis is no greater, and may be less, than for omnivores. In the UK, current recommendations for calcium consumption are 1250mg per day for breastfeeding women. Additional calcium during pregnancy is not thought necessary.

Iron
No extra iron is indicated in the UK for pregnant or breastfeeding women as it is assumed that increased requirements can be offset against the cessation of menstrual iron loss. However, the US recommended daily amount for pregnant women is 30mg which is double that of non-pregnant women.

Zinc
There is evidence from the general population that malformations occurring in some infants may be linked to zinc insufficiency in their mothers. Human milk is not a rich source of this mineral and during breastfeeding infants draw on their body reserves laid down during the last 3 months of pregnancy. Thus premature babies may be at risk of zinc deficiency. Intakes of zinc by adult vegans are similar to those of omnivores. Women aged 19-50 years should take 7mg per day. There is no recommended increase during pregnancy.

From the British Medical Association advisory board in UK

The truth is no matter how healthy you are and how healthy you eat things happen that no one can explain. It is all in Gods hands.
The Medical profession can only tell you so much even they don’t understand why things happen. We can only try too help ourself.

Now time to stop this as this is a painful subject for some and others do not understand. There is no point arguing who is right and who is wrong.

I don’t normally post on threads like this and will not in the future; i personally believe this subject should not be spoken about and the reasons are as follows:
If this happened to you would you want people talking about it behind your back? (NO) Would you feel so much pain knowing they are talking about it? ( YES) I think that’s a good enough reason

With this article no one knows the truth and this is the way it should be. I am not going to make no comment on Prince, Mayte and what went on between them, this is there private business.
Please just remember to be respectful after all everyone is Speculating on others lifes and there is one voice who can not answer back.
& 2 U all
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[This message was edited Fri Mar 21 9:56:59 PST 2003 by katt]

That clears that up.
Does anyone know much about Clover Leaf syndrome??
I've heard some say Prince was born with it..

We passed the 100 replies mark!! And, I expected the answer to be yes or no!!

katt said:

thank you for the information, i don't have time to read it all, but i will later. i did take the time to read your bold posts. i thought i had an open mind to it all. i just stated how i felt to the article. i did refere to a medical book before i posted, believing that aleast i came with some kind of information before i shot my mouth off. i do deeply regret becoming involved in this discussion. my condolences to you for losing a child. i know there are a lot of reasons and no reasons for losing a child to birthdefects i just touched upon the ones that were stated the baby had. i will bow out gracefully and let it go.

If you wish to research about this illness you are on the internet please use it’s vast resources off information. Try google, yahoo, altavista, or any other search engine.
When you find the information you want please don’t post it.
There maybe someone that comes across this thread that may become upset with the information. Being pregnant can be a worrying time, no need to worry or upset people any more than they should be.

& 2 all

These Reports:

If Fact - Thank God for Larry Graham & the JW's to calm him down a bit. The drinking & bathtub scene in the "Holy River" video really makes sense to me now. I don't know if being on a vegan diet while pregnant is healthy or unhealthy (I'm not a doctor). But being hungry to the point of sneaking food while pregnant and the added stress can be very damaging to a fetus (I'm thinking along the lines of malnutrition). To love your husband is one thing but there has to be a point in a persons mind ( no matter how old or young a peron is 23 or 83) when he or she must stand up for themselves and take control (only if nessasary) of a situation. For a person to experience what every one went through I'm suprised no one took this man by his arms and shook some sense into him letting him know that he cannot control every little thing around him.

If Fiction - Whoever made up or even overdramatized these somewhat true events should be ashamed of themselves. If these reports fell into mainstream media at its time his entire life would have been demolished. I'm not an expert on law but if I was I think I could discover some serious charges that could have him put in jail by just reading these articles.

BOOL & malice, all over this thread...

Based on this article. In my opinion, if she did, it must have been quite therapeutic for her. Prince seemed viciously insensitive and unable to empathize with the pain she was enduring during that difficult pregnancy. She's a person in her own right and it was quite senseless for him to deprive her of proper medical attention and adequate nutrition.

TRUNKS said:

listen I don't give a fuck about how old you are. age does not equal wisdom. You are the prime example of that. I don't give a fuck about who you know either. Like I am suppose to believe any thing that you say, and by the way aren't you a little old to be on here anyway. Why dont you go somewhere and read one of those nursing book you keep talking about.

And what does getting into the glam slam have to do with anything.

chachalila said:

I totally agree with you.

I don't see what my age has to do with anything. College courses and textbooks are just as easily available to a youngster such as myself as they are to you (and, as far as current info, I'm still enrolled in college. . .how about you?). Does being old make you better able to understand where folic acid comes from? No. You are just using that to cover up the fact that you don't know what you're talking about. Not unlike many medical professionals, BTW, who also don't bother to keep up on the most recent info.

All of the available evidence points to a plant-based (vegan) diet being, all things considered, healthier than a meat-based (typical American) one. If your textbooks don't tell you that, then they are outdated.

Again, this has nothing to do with Prince and Mayte. I have no desire to contribute to the sleazy content of this thread. Only to defend women who use their brains and try to make the best decision for the health of their babies based on fact, rather than popular opinion.

Wow! Some of you have done ALOT of research on this topic...lol...

tackam said:

But you are giving two extremes in your example. A vegan diet consists of no animal products at all and also nothing derived from animals, (or insects--example: honey) for that matter. And the "typical" American diet is also seen as a diet that includes high amounts of meat and dairy products, which is also unhealthy.

There is a middle ground when it comes to healthy eating. You don't need to be a total vegan to be the healthiest you can be, nor do you need to cut out all types of meat and animal products.

But, this is totally off-topic, so...

tackam said:

Right on.

gainsbourg said:

Yeah - and if you saw Oprah, you would have heard another piece of disinformation related to their son's passing...

OPRAH voiceover: It's been rumored that the couple's baby boy was born with health problems, and the reports have fans concerned.

OPRAH: What is the status of your -- your -- your baby, your pregnancy, your...

: Well, our family exists.

OPRAH: Mm-hmm.

: We're just beginning it.

OPRAH: Mm-hmm.

: And we've got many kids to have, a long way to go.

OPRAH voiceover: And that's all The Artist and his wife choose to say at this time. But while touring Paisley Park, he showed me their newly decorated playroom.

OPRAH: Oh, wow.

: And here's my favorite room.

OPRAH: The children's to be, the children's to come?

: Yes, ma'am.

OPRAH: The child in you, or just the children?

: Oh, the children, yeah.

OPRAH voiceover: And all those rumors about their baby -- well, the Artist shared this with us.

: It's all good. Never mind what you hear.

OPRAH: He said that he wants to -- in 10 years, he's going to have babies crawling all over him, on his ears and around his neck and calling him 'Daddy.' Do you want the same thing?

MAYTE: Oh, yeah. I never wanted it more.

OPRAH: Ten -- you really want 10, you think?

: It's up to her.

Is the Hate U song just a song or is it about someone in particular?

Yes, 'I hate you' is another song obvioulsy about Mayte cheating "You gave your body to another for the sake of fun!"
What else could it be about?..He even sang it directly to her, when performing live.

gainsbourg said:

Oh yeah, obviously

Is that sarcasm?? Of course, it's bloody obvious

gainsbourg said:

When someone says to me something is obvious I interpret it as that person saying it is a fact. I don't know for a fact that this song is written about Mayte, do you?

When this song was written Prince and Mayte were not even married. It could be about another girlfriend or it could be about no one at all.

Here's a suggestion. Try writing I think or in my opinion before you make statements about Prince's personal life which you know very little about, rather than I know.