Quite honestly, I can't believe that Ben, Ian or Lavish didn't clip this thread in the bud. That article was obviously one sided, and hurtful. Right now I am not believing that I am reading this on Prince.org. This fansite is for Prince fans. What if Prince or even Mayte read this thread? Opening old wounds again. I personallyl feel that any thread that contains information regarding Boy Gregory or the Mojica twins, should be closed and locked. Have a little consideration people!!! I am still in awe over that article that was allowed. Back to Housequake!

Yes. He probably put her on a strict vegetarian diet and forbad her meat. She cheated because she went crazy and ravenously stuffed her jaws with sausages(big juicy kielbasas that swell and bust open when cooked), ham, fried chicken, and corned beef like a hamster would do seeds. After that came the collard greens with jowl bacon and gumbo with shrimp, fish, and crawdads.
Dogs travel in packs of 7 and she was the Alpha female leading 6 bitches out at night hunting rabbit, pheasant, and quail. She was seen on numerous occasions by roadsides devouring road kill.
On a visit to Neverland, one of the llama came up missing. They found the hide thrown over a thorn bush in a nearby canyon. It was reported that she bought a crack sealing machine as is used on streets-normally filled with tar. The secret vat held about 500 gallons of chile con carne made with llama flesh and kidney beans.


This article from Tabloidia Paparazzi of the ASSociated Rag- I mean Press.

I personallyl feel that any thread that contains information regarding Boy Gregory or the Mojica twins, should be closed and locked.

Quite honestly, I can't believe that Ben, Ian or Lavish didn't clip this thread in the bud. That article was obviously one sided, and hurtful. Right now I am not believing that I am reading this on Prince.org. This fansite is for Prince fans. What if Prince or even Mayte read this thread? Opening old wounds again. I personallyl feel that any thread that contains information regarding Boy Gregory or the Mojica twins, should be closed and locked. Have a little consideration people!!! I am still in awe over that article that was allowed. Back to Housequake!

See lyrics to 'Come On'..
I can't believe she is with Tommy Lee. If you saw Oprah - she seemed so sweet!

gainsbourg said:

No,it's clearly about a relationship that turned sour.He basically accuses his woman of being a golddigger...

"there you were hangin' with your friends,making up a story that's so lame...that I was down to be your sugar daddy,your one-way ticket to ghetto fame"

And he also mentions that she would go out "never with a bodyguard or chaperone".
I've seen mayte out at glam slam la back in the day by herself in fact she was there with tina landin the choreographer for janet, and others. the blue bmw was parked on the side of the club instead of the usual town car. i've also see prince perform at the club and she wasn't even there to perform. but then again she wasn't old enough to be in there at the time.

Of course,this could all be fiction,but somehow I doubt it.

I think Prince was over intense with her..He was insensitive around the time of the baby and often criticised her:

News of the World:March 9th 1997
Article reproduced without permission
Prince:Bizarre truth behind death of star's baby.
By Stuart White in Minneapolis

No-one in the busy hospital corridor glanced twice at the
tiny baby wrapped in a simple blanket and cradled by it's
nanny.Even if they had,they could not have known the awful
truth.This was the dead son of rock superstar prince on
his way to an anonymous Toyota for his final,secret journey
to a crematorium.
Devastated prince,who was nowhere to be seen,hoped this
would be the end of a nightmare that had begun a week earlier
when the child was born dreadfully handicapped.he was wrong.
For now he must cope with an investigation by homicide
detectives who will want to question the millionaire recluse
about his son's last hours.The probe was sparked after twin
sisters Erlene and Arlene Mojica went to the police with concerns
over the death.Erlene was the nanny,arlene had been the hired as
bodyguard to Prince's wife Mayte,the child's mother.The Puerto-
rican pair were present at the Minneapolis hospital where the
baby-curiously named Boy Gregory-was allowed to pass away.
Today,for the first time,the News Of The World brings Erlene
and Arlene together to explain the tragic collapse of prince's
dream.It is a story that reached its harrowing peak at the
Minneapolis crematory on Nicollet Avenue south in Minneapolis.
The sisters were led into the around the furnaces where the
public are normally not allowed.There they asked the crematorium
attendant to wait a few moments while they sang hymns and prayed
over the child.Erlene then placed the body-still swaddled in a
blanket-into a container.Four hours later the attendant her a
small transparent plastic bag containing Boy's ashes.assuming
it was her child,he said "Here's your baby." She was also given
a bill for #500.When Erlene finally returned to prince with the
ashes-now contained in an urn with 3 dolphins on top-she told the
star simply "Sir,I have the baby".She added "he was clearly
distressed.he replied," Give it to me later".
Prince eventually took the urn and placed it on a bookshelf
in his home.But even a month later,he could not come to terms
with the truth."Everything is fine with the baby,"he told a well-
wisher.Only now can the torment he and Mayte endured be revealed.

(next page)



THIS IS NOT THE LIFE I WANT FOR OUR BABY,WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH
THE MACHINE OFF.
WHAT NANNY CLAIMS SAD STAR TOLD HER.

heartbroken rock idol prince let the last breath of life slip
away from hi handicapped newborn son,the child's nanny revealed
last night,The tiny baby-Boy gregory-had been born with a range
of crippling conditions and was on a ventilator.But his father
could not bear to see his pride and joy in such pain.
Erlene Mojica,employed to look after Boy when Prince,38,and his
wife mayte were full of hope,said "Prince told me 'Nanny,this is
not the kind of life I want for my baby.We have to convince
Mayte to let the baby go.We're not having the tracheotomy (a
throat operation to allow breathing).We're going to switch the
machine off and if the baby makes it ,fine.If not,we have to let
it go.Prince then brought in Mayte and spoke to her.She started
to weep.Erlene asked her boss if he would be there when the baby
was taken off the ventilator.Desperate to keep his emotions in
check,he told her:"No,just let me know when it's done".
The date of Boy's Gregory's tragic death is emblazoned on
Erlene's memory...October 23 1996."It started at about 7.30.a.m"
she said."We'd dressed Boy in a special outfit of white.The
doctor kept checking his heart and blood pressure every 15
minutes."Twice the phone rang,my twin sister Arlene answered it
and Prince asked her,"Is it done?"Twice she told him the baby was
still alive."About 8.45.a.m,the child lifted his head,then
stopped breathing".Arlene Mojica added:"I rang prince and said
"Sir,everything is done,the baby is dead.What do you want us to
do with him?That was when Prince asked us to have the child
cremated."
Boy gregory had been born with a skull deformity called
Pfeiffer's syndrome.The skull fissures close prematurely and
leave little room for it to accommodate the growing brian.The
mite
also had water on the brain,intestinal and eye problems.In the
short week he lived,he had already had an operation on his left
eyelid,and a colostomy,before prince cried,Enough.
Erlene and Arlene had become close to expectant mum Mayte and
shared the joys and worries of her pregnancy.Arlene revealed
"Mayte told me she'd discovered she was pregnant by using a kit
from a pharmacy.But she said Prince had forbidden her from seeing
a doctor for the first two and a half months of her pregnancy.
That was the first intimation that the proud father was
determined to care for his family in his own way-however bizarre
it seemed to others.Arlene added:"He also put her on astrict
vegetarian diet,allowing her no fish or meat,rice or even fruit.
"Eventually she persuaded him she should have a sonogram (an
ultrasound scan).he said he wouldn't allow any male doctor to
touch his wife.so a female doctor did it."That was when it was
revealed that the baby had an abnormally large head and could
possibly be born with deformities."
The physician,said Arlene,was Dr.Leslie Jaeger,who became
increasingly exasperated with Prince.meanwhile,she said,Mayte's
diet was leaving her hungry.I used to sneak her out to a TGI
Friday's restaurant so she could eat chicken and fish".Arlene
went on:"We told prince that Mayte was going to have her nails
done."She was so worried that he'd discover she'd been eating
meat that she used to swab her hands with alcohol cleansing
fluid to remove any trace of food residue.
At 3 to 4 months into her pregnancy,said Arlene,Mayte was
in pain and had to be taken into an emergency room during a trip
to New York.Later,back in Minneapolis,prince was told about it
and put it down to Mayte's NERVOUSNESS."But Dr.Jaeger at north
Memorial hospital was concerned because Mayte was retaining water
and wanted her to go to a specialist," Arlene went on."She told
mayte that her options included having a full chromosome test to
see what the problem was,to have a termination,or to go ahead
and have the child".At the end of July,Erlene joined her sister
on Prince's staff.Taking up the story,Erlene revealed:"Mayte had
another sonogram,but was so worried Prince would find out that
Arlene's name was put on the scan photograph.
"Although prince loved Mayte very much,I don't think he really
understood what was at stake.he believed that essentially it was
God who cured people,not medicine".In late September,mayte began
to experience severe contractions.The twins took her to North
memorial Hospital where she was seen once again by Dr.Jaeger.
Erlene went on:"Dr.Jaeger was insistent that we had to call
prince because it was an emergency-even though Mayte didn't
want him to know she was there.When he arrived,Dr. Jaeger told
him:"Your wife is having contractions.Ill have to give her
magnesium to delay the contractions because if she goes into
labour we could miscarry the child now".
"Prince told Dr.Jaeger to leave the room.She told him:"Prince,
you are not allowing me to do my job.This is bad news,we have to
deal with it.'At this point mayte was quivering,Prince was
upset,and moved towards the doctor-I even thought he was going
to strike her because he was so distraught."Sister Arlene added
"I had to jump between Prince and the doctor,along with one of
Prince's security guards.She was livid,and said:"I'm calling
security.I'm the boss here,not you.You cannot take this woman
out of the hospital without a release."
"Eventually prince signed a form saying he was taking her out,
and the doctor told me,"I believe she's in danger,please get her
into a hospital SOMEWHERE,and now!"The twins helped Mayte into
prince's limo.A few miles down the road,said Erlene,prince asked
the driver to stop,turned to his passengers and said:"Nanny,what
are we going to do?"She replied:"Mayte's got to be in hospital".
Erlene continued:"I told him that Abbott's North-Western Hospital
had excellent facilities,so he said,"Ok,but I don't want them to
know it's my wife.make up a story,say it's some woman from
Florida".
"WE got her in and after examining her ,they said that she HAD
to have magnesiuM to delay a premature birth.Prince was outside
in the limo and we were rushing down relaying messages while his
wife lay in pain.Eventually he agreed and she was given
injections,the contractions slowed and she stayed in hospital
from that moment until 3 days before the baby's death on October
r.We registered her at her request under an assumed name.We
initially chose the name Marline Gong,then the next day we
changed it to something more suitable.We chose Gregory for the
second name because it's similar to Gregory,a doctor in
Argentina famous for his work with the poor,and Ma for the
first-because that was the name of a yorkshire terrier prince
had bought her.It soon became clear to the hospital who she was,
but the name was kept so that her anonymity could be assured."
Boy gregory was born by caesarian section on October 16.
The twins claim that although prince wanted to be present at the
birth he DID NOT want to put on special surgical clothes.Arlene
recalled:"Eventually a doctor told him,"It's simple.You don't put
these clothes on,you don't go in".Prince gave in and watched his
son being born."The baby was transferred to the adjoining
Children's Health Care hospital where he was put into an
incubator."Prince was crying",Arlene recalled,"he was just
standing there sobbing.He told me,'Ill bring anyone from
anywhere..whatever it takes and whatever it costs,to help my
child".But even prince's many millions could not buy his
precious son a release from pain.
And the twins,who became worried that the decision to take
Boy gregory off the ventilator might have been premature,reported
their concerns to the police.A police spokesman said they were
carrying out a routine investigation.He added:"The homicide
detectives investigate all deaths considered suspicious by
them or by others who may bring a complaint.Some of these
deaths may later be ruled accidental or natural.We have no
further comment as yet".

News of The World March 16th.1997
Article reproduced without permission
Prince lay sprawled unconscious on the couch and she screamed
"Oh my God,he's dead"
From Stuart White in Minneapolis

Booze-sodden rock-idol Prince was rushed to hospital after
his limp body was found slumped over four empty wine bottles and
a tub of pills.The horrifying discovery was made by his panic-
stricken wife Mayte who screamed "Oh my God,He's dead!"
Mayte and her bodyguard Arlene Mojica tried desperately to rouse
the singer.Eventually they got him to utter a few words.Then,as
Arlene rushed ahead to alert the Fairview-Northdale hospital in
Minneapolis,Mayte helped the dazed singer to a car and got him
to the emergency room.He was quickly fitted with an intravenous
drip.A medic took the women to one side and asked urgently:
"Was it a suicide bid?"But ,like much of this supertalent's life,
th answer remains a riddle.All Mayte and Arlene knew for sure was
that Prince had beem missing for 72 hours before they found him
in his recording studio last year."We don't know how long he'd
been drinking or how many aspirins he'd taken," says Arlene,
"But he'd clearly vomited and that may have saved his life,
bringing up the tablets.He told the doctor he'd taken drink and
pills to stop heart palpitations."That night Arlene had a few
heart palpitations of her own.As she slept in the corridor
outside Prince's room,she heard him cry out:"What am I doing
here?"
She recalled:"I rushed in and Prince had woken up yelling:
"Whats going on?Get me out of here!"He pulled the drip from
his arm,jumped in a wheelchair and got me to drive him home.
But it was just another night's work for 26-year old Arlene.
who with her twin Erlene,the family's nanny,had grown used
to the wacky world of Prince.
Last week the Puerto-Rican sisters revealed how the star
reluctantly asked for the plug to be pulled on his baby son's
life support.The little mite had been born with a catalogue
of crippling conditions and his father could not bear to see
him suffer any more pain.But though his distress showed he was
all too human,in his private life he remained bizarre and remote.
Although he likes the public to refer to him as a squiggle,or
The Artist Formerly Known As Prince,at home he expects to be
treated like a king,said the twins.Staff MUST call him "Sir."
And the twins revealed how his oddball image sometimes took
on a menacing hue as he adopted a 'vampire' lifestyle-working
all night and,in short winter days,never glimpsing sunlight.
"Day in and day out it was the same," Arlene shuddered.."He'd get
up about 4.p.m. when it was getting dark.Then he'd be driven to
the studio,not getting home until 7.a.m. before it got light.
He was like a creature of the night."And when the great sexual
showman did make it to bed 23-year-old wife Mayte was often
disappointed."She was worried about their love life.She said
Prince wasn't the macho rock star between the sheets.Instead,
she said he expressed the gentler feminine side of his nature."
But the tiny,weight-obsessed rocker made up for that by
bossing his wife around the rest of the time-especially over her
figure."She was under Prince's spell," revealed Arlene."He almost
controlled her.He once got in a limo after a show and said "Your
butt's too big!You're too fat"From then on Mayte was dieting
constantly.But there was no way she could eat less than Prince
or be thin enough for him.That man ate less than any human I ever
saw-some days just a cup of rice.Often nothing for three
days.There wasn't an ounce of excess flesh on him,but his eating
habits didn't seem healthy to me.He took pills containing herbs
and extracts of the alfalfa plant.He was hung up on his digestive
system.I believe it's important to tell the world what kind of
man Prince is.He intimidates those who work for him.And not only
did he dismiss my sister and I with no compensation he didn't
even pay us the wages we'd worked for."Although Prince's wealth
from smash hit albums like Purple Rain has been estimated at #50
million,Arlene claimed that the way he ran his household and
business,Paisley Park Enterprises,gave every impression that he
was going broke!
"We kept getting complaints from local tradesmen about bills
not being paid,"she said.But the staff were used to
trouble.Arlene said Prince could be brutal if crossed and
revealed:"He once
declared,Anybody who says NO to me is out!"Meanwhile,Erlene's
contract stated:"Hours:On call 24 hours a day,seven days a week."
And she complained:"He'd scream and shout at the slightest
upset."But the sisters are grateful for one thing.They were not
required to live in the showbiz couple's house-a large modern
building at the end of a long drive in the suburbs."It was a
strange place.There were a lot of windows but no pictures or
paintings.The effect was stark and bare.I only recall one
portrait-an enormous photo of Prince and Mayte."
But one room will always hold a poignant memory for the
Mojica twins-the nursery that was to be the home for Prince's
tragic baby son."It was bizarre because all the walls were
mirrored,so the baby would have been constantly looking at
reflections of itself.And I don't recall any toys."Sister
Arlene added:"I worked for Prince and Mayte from the summer
of 1995 until December 1996,and I'll never forget it.He's a
strange man who's so obsessed with being a rock star that
he can't let anything divert him.Not love,not marriage,not
food.But underneath it all Prince is a deeply unhappy man.
I feel sorry for him."

this article really breaks my heart. but anyone knows that a woman needs folic acid for the baby's body to form especially the head. you need protein and iron from red meats, and calcium for the babies bones to form. it's obvious that she didn't get the proper medical attention and for him to not let her go to the doctor put her and the baby in danger. then the big slap in the face was to go on oprah and tell the world that the family is fine, knowing its a lie and expect her to be sweet and happy for the cameras. and then turn around and torment her for being overweight not giving a damn about them just losing the baby. can you blame her for leaving. she's been damaged and it's gonna take a while for her to heal. she's not going to make good decisions until she can come to grips with what happen and be able to move on and mature as an adult. i have a girlfriend who has a five month old, her husbands a gemini too (i don't know if it's the sign or just a fluke) and he is very insensitive to her. she had a c-section and he was always (and still is) complaining even though her house is spotless, bills are paid and she's taking care of the baby and her 11 year-old son, all the while hoping her stitches would stay in place. she was in constant pain and had swollen feet and legs for the first two to three weeks and the baby's birth. she's breast feeding and he'd send her out to get the car fixed in another city and today he sent her to lax to pick up HIS cousin from the airport and we live at least three hours away and that doesn't include that flipping after five traffic. ladies take care of yourselves while your pregnant. i'm planning to have my first child this year and you better bet your bottom dollar im gonna do everything in my power to be as healthy as i can for the sake of myself and my baby. i hope i don't sound too preachy, it's just that it frustrates me when people don't take care of their children, im 32 and i waited and now im ready. i hope i can live up to the challenge.

TRUNKS said:

1. Omigawd, you actually read that whole peice of crap?

2. OmiGAWD, you BELIEVED IT?

3. It isn't true that a veg*n diet is unhealthy for pregnant women. You're misinformed.

4. OmiGAWD, this is why I don't come to this forum often.

TRUNKS said:

1. Omigawd, you actually read that whole peice of crap?

2. OmiGAWD, you BELIEVED IT?

3. It isn't true that a veg*n diet is unhealthy for pregnant women. You're misinformed.

4. OmiGAWD, this is why I don't come to this forum often.

3. It isn't true that a veg*n diet is unhealthy for pregnant women. You're misinformed.

tackam said:

A vegan diet is risky even at the best of times. Believe me
I've studied food for 3 years. [don't know what that branch
of science is called in America though]. And I can tell you
that even when you're a healthy adult you have to be really
carefull when you start a "vegan" lifestyle.

It takes meticulous planning and even than it is almost
impossible to make it work well for your body without
taking some supplements.

To think that a pregnant womand can simply be a vegan and
have everything go 100% ok is shocking to me. An even if
someone were to take supplements and extra vitamin shots
etc during the pregnancy, that would still not make up for
a healthy diets with lots of fruits and vegetables, whole
weeds, nuts, soy, dairy products, chicken, fish, meat etc.

I mean, if any doctor can tell you that it is advisable to
take Folic Acid even on top of such a diet, than you can
figure out what it's like for your body WITHOUT good and
varying meals and WITHOUT extra supplements.

Most smokers stop smoking during pregnancy, simply for the
health of their unborn baby. Likewise about 70% of vegan or
vegetarian people start eating meat and dairy products again
just for the sake of the child. Most people are clever
enough -thank god- to see the broader picture, beyond their
own principles or semi-religious inclinations and just do
what is best for their child.

Don't get me wrong, I know that we know NOTHING about Prince
and Mayte and how they took care of themselves, so that is
not what this is about. It's not a stab at you or a dis of
some sort either. It just shocked me to see your statement
and I wanted to respond to it.

thank you so much for responding. i had to break out my health books just so i could make my point. it's not even about the article, it's about the health of the baby. as far as i knew the only pills that should be taken during pregnancy are prenatal vitamins.

Yes. He probably put her on a strict vegetarian diet and forbad her meat. She cheated because she went crazy and ravenously stuffed her jaws with sausages(big juicy kielbasas that swell and bust open when cooked), ham, fried chicken, and corned beef like a hamster would do seeds. After that came the collard greens with jowl bacon and gumbo with shrimp, fish, and crawdads.
Dogs travel in packs of 7 and she was the Alpha female leading 6 bitches out at night hunting rabbit, pheasant, and quail. She was seen on numerous occasions by roadsides devouring road kill.
On a visit to Neverland, one of the llama came up missing. They found the hide thrown over a thorn bush in a nearby canyon. It was reported that she bought a crack sealing machine as is used on streets-normally filled with tar. The secret vat held about 500 gallons of chile con carne made with llama flesh and kidney beans.


This article from Tabloidia Paparazzi of the ASSociated Rag- I mean Press.

Quite honestly, I can't believe that Ben, Ian or Lavish didn't clip this thread in the bud. That article was obviously one sided, and hurtful. Right now I am not believing that I am reading this on Prince.org. This fansite is for Prince fans. What if Prince or even Mayte read this thread? Opening old wounds again. I personallyl feel that any thread that contains information regarding Boy Gregory or the Mojica twins, should be closed and locked. Have a little consideration people!!! I am still in awe over that article that was allowed. Back to Housequake!

Yes, normally prenatal vitamins are basically all that
the doctors advise during pregnancy.

I don't know where you live, but over here in Europe,
and specifically in Holland, doctors are now more and
more starting to prescribe folic acid to women.

In a regular diet, folic acid is mainly found in the
following foods:

Vegetables and green leaves [all kinds of lettuce]
Wholeweeds
Rice
Broccoli
All sorts of beans
Nuts

This Folic Acid, or vitamin B-11 as it’s called is an
essential building block for the central nerves system of
the baby.

During pregnancy women need more folic acid than they
usually do, in fact they need so much that a regular diet
mostly can’t provide in the need.

The Dutch government advises women to take a tablet of min
0,4mg folic acid a day during the first few months of the
pregnancy. Since folic acid reduces the chances of a baby
being born with an "open back" [I don’t know the proper
English term for it, but the latin one is "Spina Bifida".

It's not a condition that is extremely common and mostly
it is only a real viable threat to women who already have
a case of this condition in their close family, like a
child from a sister, or a mother or an aunt being born
with the condition.

Because the central nerves system is formed very early in
the pregnancy, women are advised to start taking folic acid
the moment they decide they want to become pregnant.

But, fcuz it is ALWAYS best to just have a talk with your
own doctor about these kind of Things since taking any kind
of pills -even supplements, during pregnancy is something
You want to feel 100% comfortable with and having a talk
with your doctor and working out some food/supplement
combination together with him is always the best route to
take.

Especially since a lot of these supplements can have very
good and supporting effects, but when you take to much of
them or in a wrong combination they can also block one
another out and leave you with no real benefits from them.

Anyway, enough pseudo-medical quack advise from me now

Yes. He probably put her on a strict vegetarian diet and forbad her meat. She cheated because she went crazy and ravenously stuffed her jaws with sausages(big juicy kielbasas that swell and bust open when cooked), ham, fried chicken, and corned beef like a hamster would do seeds. After that came the collard greens with jowl bacon and gumbo with shrimp, fish, and crawdads.
Dogs travel in packs of 7 and she was the Alpha female leading 6 bitches out at night hunting rabbit, pheasant, and quail. She was seen on numerous occasions by roadsides devouring road kill.
On a visit to Neverland, one of the llama came up missing. They found the hide thrown over a thorn bush in a nearby canyon. It was reported that she bought a crack sealing machine as is used on streets-normally filled with tar. The secret vat held about 500 gallons of chile con carne made with llama flesh and kidney beans.


This article from Tabloidia Paparazzi of the ASSociated Rag- I mean Press.

"She was under Prince's spell," revealed Arlene."He almost
controlled her.He once got in a limo after a show and said "Your
butt's too big!You're too fat"From then on Mayte was dieting
constantly.But there was no way she could eat less than Prince
or be thin enough for him.That man ate less than any human I ever
saw-some days just a cup of rice.Often nothing for three
days.There wasn't an ounce of excess flesh on him,but his eating
habits didn't seem healthy to me.He took pills containing herbs
and extracts of the alfalfa plant.He was hung up on his digestive
system.I believe it's important to tell the world what kind of
man Prince is.He intimidates those who work for him.And not only
did he dismiss my sister and I with no compensation he didn't
even pay us the wages we'd worked for."

Arlette said:

antonio canales? ur cousin??? ur joking right?

he had a hard time once at a New York airport. great dancer he is

"It" was a he.

tackam said:

bullshit are you a nurse? have you taken medical classes?. pick up a medical book or get on the internet and look on the WIC website. the items you get from wic are high in iron and folic acid. you get more items of food if your anemic. i've checked it out and i've taken human anatomy and physiology, pathophysiology and they all state that women should have folic acid in their diets. this is a statement from Memmler's "structure and functions of the human body: "include enough of the b vitamin folic acid in your diet before and during pregnancy. this vitamin plays an important role in the early formation of the central nervous system, the brain and spinal cord". hydrocephalus is the cause of having too much fluid in the brain. i don't give a crap about what the twins had to say the baby did die and the complications he died from would have been prevented if she was given proper medical treatment and was able to eat all the essential foods needed in a pregnant womans diet. so pick up a medical book before you jump down my throat.

tackam said:

A vegan diet is risky even at the best of times. Believe me
I've studied food for 3 years. [don't know what that branch
of science is called in America though]. And I can tell you
that even when you're a healthy adult you have to be really
carefull when you start a "vegan" lifestyle.

It takes meticulous planning and even than it is almost
impossible to make it work well for your body without
taking some supplements.

To think that a pregnant womand can simply be a vegan and
have everything go 100% ok is shocking to me. An even if
someone were to take supplements and extra vitamin shots
etc during the pregnancy, that would still not make up for
a healthy diets with lots of fruits and vegetables, whole
weeds, nuts, soy, dairy products, chicken, fish, meat etc.

I mean, if any doctor can tell you that it is advisable to
take Folic Acid even on top of such a diet, than you can
figure out what it's like for your body WITHOUT good and
varying meals and WITHOUT extra supplements.

Most smokers stop smoking during pregnancy, simply for the
health of their unborn baby. Likewise about 70% of vegan or
vegetarian people start eating meat and dairy products again
just for the sake of the child. Most people are clever
enough -thank god- to see the broader picture, beyond their
own principles or semi-religious inclinations and just do
what is best for their child.

Don't get me wrong, I know that we know NOTHING about Prince
and Mayte and how they took care of themselves, so that is
not what this is about. It's not a stab at you or a dis of
some sort either. It just shocked me to see your statement
and I wanted to respond to it.

TRUNKS said:

You clearly need to update your "medical books". Many legumes, fruits, and vegetables are good sources of folic acid, and don't come with the saturated fat, antibiotics, and hormones that animal products do.

Vegetarians do NOT have higher rates of anemia than other groups. This has been shown in multiple studies.

Recent research shows that calcium is best consumed in a low-protein form. Animal protein (which is in dairy foods) causes calcium to be LOST from the bones. This may have something do do with the high rate of osteoporosis in the US despite being the largest consumers of dairy in the world.

Most people eat twice the RDA of protein. Vegans, like all people in developed nations, have a practically zero risk of protein deficiency.

Go pick up a recent nutrition text and READ IT.
[This message was edited Thu Mar 20 8:12:03 PST 2003 by tackam]

BTW, I don't support husbands forcing their diets upon their poor suffering wives. I'm just defending veganism as a healthy option for pregnant woman. Which it is.

Obviously, WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PRINCE AND MAYTE'S RELATIONSHIP, so it would be foolish to speculate about her health during the pregnancy.