BartVanHemelen said:

SoulAlive said:

Yes,it is another missed opportunity,but this is Prince we're talking about he could have re-teamed with Warners a year ago and had everything ready to be released right now,but he always seems to have other plans.

He could have use his brain 20 years ago and got a contract involving his back catalogue 20 years ago (like REM did in their deal with a WEA company back then), but instead he was far too focused on having the "biggest contract ever" so he could beat Madonna and Michael Jackson.

I've said this before: we should be on round three of remasters + deluxe editions right now.

I couldn't think of anything worse than Prince re-releasing something 3 times.

BartVanHemelen said:

I've said this before: we should be on round three of remasters + deluxe editions right now.

Absolutely, then we could complain about re-hashing old material and ripping fans off by asking then to buy the same album on multiple occassions instead of complaining that the eventual re-issue will be a disaster because [insert reason here to suit own personal agenda] !

I see on Wikipedia that the other two albums associated with the movie were released later.

-The Time Ice Cream Castle released July 2, 1984

-Apollonia 6 Apollonia 6 released October 1, 1984 (which sounds like the wrong day of the week)

It takes a while to decide what lyrics to censor.

Well even though it was a "miss" so to speak, I think people think that reissues are gonna capture the sales of what the original sold, anniversary editions of Iconic records don't even come close, many sell at best 5-10% of the original. And I'm not talking about artists that maybe have had that ONE HUGE record and then that is re-packaged, like a George Michael "Faith" or Alanis Morissette "Pill" something on that order. Billy Joel's "The Stranger" re-released in an amazing 3 different verision re-issue for its 30th Anniversary, now this album sold over 10 million here, but issued back in 2007 for it's 30th anniversary it sold a fraction of that, actual less than 100,000 i have heard, and Joel has a much bigger fan base than Prince, SO i know people feel this should have been out Tuesday cause it would have went through the roof, well, NO it wouldnt have. TRUE that Purple Rain when re-issued will sell to diehards and maybe a few casual new fans, but if you think that it will sell anything over 100-200,000 i think you are asking too much.

lastdecember said:

Billy Joel's "The Stranger" re-released in an amazing 3 different verision re-issue for its 30th Anniversary, now this album sold over 10 million here, but issued back in 2007 for it's 30th anniversary it sold a fraction of that, actual less than 100,000 i have heard, and Joel has a much bigger fan base than Prince...

I kind of disagree on that - Billy Joel isn't half as popular now as he once was.

Can't imagine him doing a stadium tour of Australia and sellling out

But I do agree the reissues aren't going to sell anything like people expect

lwr001 said:

Releasing the ReMaster on Tuesday to coincide with the anniversary was a slam dunk...How could they not have a line of communication to get this done..

I dont want it in the fall as my memories from the album are from the summer of 84, not fall or winter. Will not resonate with me if released then. I'm speaking for me

[Edited 6/25/14 10:59am]

I know that's right! They should = Warner Bros, dumbarses!!!!

The reason for a November release is simple , it's a well known fact sales are less in the Summer months , releasing it in November is peak time for sales with the Christmas market ahead.

starguitar said:

lastdecember said:

Billy Joel's "The Stranger" re-released in an amazing 3 different verision re-issue for its 30th Anniversary, now this album sold over 10 million here, but issued back in 2007 for it's 30th anniversary it sold a fraction of that, actual less than 100,000 i have heard, and Joel has a much bigger fan base than Prince...

I kind of disagree on that - Billy Joel isn't half as popular now as he once was.

Can't imagine him doing a stadium tour of Australia and sellling out

But I do agree the reissues aren't going to sell anything like people expect

Joel hasnt had an album in 22 years so its impossible to know where he would be now, but i think he would be in the same "selling boat" as any other 65 year old rocker let's be honest, even if Joel were still doing POP/ROCK music now he wouldnt get played on todays radio. Joel pretty much can tour and sell out anywhere, the things is that he pretty much stays in the USA now, he has done a few things here and there, but i think if there was a set tour bringing the "hits" people would turn up just because of his past work.

I think as far as touring Prince is still a big draw, though i wouldnt put him in the categories of mega touring acts like Jovi or Elton or Springsteen who pretty much can tour singing the phone book. But as far as re-issues they are not going to sell outside of Purple Rain re-issue, people are already getting hyped for other ones, which is cool, but dont think they are gonna to sell.

dodgydicko said:

The reason for a November release is simple , it's a well known fact sales are less in the Summer months , releasing it in November is peak time for sales with the Christmas market ahead.

Ok, this is the fiest answer that makes sense..

lwr001 said:

dodgydicko said:

The reason for a November release is simple , it's a well known fact sales are less in the Summer months , releasing it in November is peak time for sales with the Christmas market ahead.

Ok, this is the fiest answer that makes sense..

So that period will be full of other, more original, releases.

Nice competition and we're stuck with music that is 30 years old.

udo said:

lwr001 said:

Ok, this is the fiest answer that makes sense..

So that period will be full of other, more original, releases.

Nice competition and we're stuck with music that is 30 years old.

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Oh for crying out loud...

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Christmas is TYPICALLY the time to release compilations, box sets, reissues, because that's the time people give (expensive) gifts to one another, and when it comes to music that usually comes down to deluxe editions of stuff you know they like. You ain't gonna buy your uncle One Direction's new disc, but you are going to give him that shiny PR Deluxe because he's got a bunch of Prince dics he's always jabbering about.

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Seriously, people need to be told about this? What frikking planet have you lived on for the past decades? Don't you watch TV, read magazines or newspapers, get out? Have you never noticed what record shops are full of come the end of the year?

What difference would it make to release PR on the anniversary versus the fall. People

who want it will buy it whenever its released. I doubt there are any people who won't buy

it because it wasn't released on the anniversy. If you want it you want it. The problem isn't

Prince and WB - its impatient Prince fans who want everything yesterday.

BartVanHemelen said:

udo said:

So that period will be full of other, more original, releases.

Nice competition and we're stuck with music that is 30 years old.

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Oh for crying out loud...

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Christmas is TYPICALLY the time to release compilations, box sets, reissues, because that's the time people give (expensive) gifts to one another, and when it comes to music that usually comes down to deluxe editions of stuff you know they like. You ain't gonna buy your uncle One Direction's new disc, but you are going to give him that shiny PR Deluxe because he's got a bunch of Prince dics he's always jabbering about.

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Seriously, people need to be told about this? What frikking planet have you lived on for the past decades? Don't you watch TV, read magazines or newspapers, get out? Have you never noticed what record shops are full of come the end of the year?

thank you BArt!..I mean it

lwr001 said:

thank you BArt!..I mean it

So why -at christmas- should we mostly buy stuff we already know and probably already have?

Why is that time of year not so suitable for fresh music?

Bart might be right that that period of the year is traditionally that year but that still means that the Prince multi disc set has to compete with al these other releases of old stuff. (it doesn't change the challenge)

So it is not about the format, it is about the contents, as so many times in life show me.

(yes, other people concentrate on the format...)

Edit:typo

[Edited 6/29/14 7:53am]

luvsexy4all said:

udo said:

lwr001 said:

thank you BArt!..I mean it

So why -at christmas- should we mostly buy stuff we already know and probably already have?

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*Read* what I wrote. 1) Fans will always buy these box sets if they're good (i.e. not overpriced plus containing valuable content, e.g. unheard tracks etc). 2) Released in the fall because that's when people buy PRESENTS for other people.

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Why is that time of year not so suitable for fresh music?

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Because of the truckload of compilations and best ofs. There's only so much things people can spend money on.

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Bart might be right that that period of the year is traditionally that year but that still means that the Prince multi disc set has to compete with al these other releases of old stuff. (it doesn't change the challenge)

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That's true for just about every part of the year. Except that around Christmas the buying public isn't just (hardcore) fans but also people who are buying things for other people. Considering that P isn't gonna do promo for this, that's about the best time for PR to be released.

BartVanHemelen said:

Considering that P isn't gonna do promo for this, that's about the best time for PR to be released.

They better exceed the amount of 'new' material that we had on the Hits.

How else are they going to win a no promo situation?

udo said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Considering that P isn't gonna do promo for this, that's about the best time for PR to be released.

They better exceed the amount of 'new' material that we had on the Hits.

How else are they going to win a no promo situation?

Point-of-sale, in-store promo.

Cinny said:

udo said:

They better exceed the amount of 'new' material that we had on the Hits.

How else are they going to win a no promo situation?

Point-of-sale, in-store promo.

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Plus restrospective articles in some major magazines, etc. Wouldn't even put it past them that they're filming a tv special (à la "Bad 25").

Maybe Prince made a deal with WB with the intention to screw things up?

mattosgood said:

luvsexy4all said:

building momentum? people first need to be reminded of something that happenedd 30 years ago

This and the fact the agreement was only dinged recently, was the remastering even done? Were the extra songs selected? Known? Remastered?

i also think he may be in the middle of a fullblown us tour at the time..

Praxis said:

I'll go against the grain and say I'm glad the PR project has not been exploited...I'm much more into newer tunes such as Screwdriver and FixUrLifeUp [Edited 7/1/14 6:48am]

Ooooooooooooooooooookay.