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Thread started 06/25/14 10:57am

lwr001

Like how could Prince and WB screw this up

Releasing the ReMaster on Tuesday to coincide with the anniversary was a slam dunk...How could they not have a line of communication to get this done..

I dont want it in the fall as my memories from the album are from the summer of 84, not fall or winter. Will not resonate with me if released then. I'm speaking for me

[Edited 6/25/14 10:59am]

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Reply #1 posted 06/25/14 11:26am

novabrkr

The deal itself wasn't made that long time ago. It takes a while to get such things properly with big companies (obviously, Prince already complained about that to Bream).

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Reply #2 posted 06/25/14 11:48am

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the point is - whatever happens at the end - prince is not able to play a game that have rules...

prince could have made 20ten, TRC and other projects much more noteable if he would work more professional with the record companies or distributers... look at andys record or the new one from liv - both are OK albums that could have sold around 50.000 to 100.000 copies worldwide - but without a distribution company: NOTHING NEAR to that happens!

the distribution company i am working with were in talks with kobalt last year for the 3rd eye girl record - the problem was: prince asked for to much money... its simple as that - prince isnt able to found someone in the buisness who is willing to pay that much upfront without knowing in witch way he is willing to do promotion (TV etc.)

at the end - its the same unprofessional way to made the Purple Rain rerelease to a desaster - it could be big - we know it wink - but it wont

sorry for my bad english wink

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Reply #3 posted 06/25/14 11:50am

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How could Prince and WB screw this up? Prince is involved lol

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Reply #4 posted 06/25/14 11:52am

lwr001

novabrkr said:

The deal itself wasn't made that long time ago. It takes a while to get such things properly with big companies (obviously, Prince already complained about that to Bream).

you dont think they had plans to release that album..me thinks he editted down the material and they are liek no fucking way..you cant take masturbate out of darlin nikki

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Reply #5 posted 06/25/14 11:55am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How could Prince and WB screw this up? Prince is involved lol

Sad but true. nod

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
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Reply #6 posted 06/25/14 12:17pm

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novabrkr said:

The deal itself wasn't made that long time ago. It takes a while to get such things properly with big companies (obviously, Prince already complained about that to Bream).


Oh, come on. Like no one figured out that 2014 minus 1984 equals 30 years until a couple months ago? A remaster should have been in the can ages ago.

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Reply #7 posted 06/25/14 12:27pm

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lwr001 said:

Releasing the ReMaster on Tuesday to coincide with the anniversary was a slam dunk...How could they not have a line of communication to get this done..



I dont want it in the fall as my memories from the album are from the summer of 84, not fall or winter. Will not resonate with me if released then. I'm speaking for me

[Edited 6/25/14 10:59am]


I agree, it would have been much better to release the PR remaster this summer. Why they can't manage to do that is wierd, it doesn't make any sense to wait until fall. The Prince Museum now claims that it will be out in September, not November as been said in another thread here.
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Reply #8 posted 06/25/14 12:29pm

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building momentum? people first need to be reminded of something that happenedd 30 years ago

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Reply #9 posted 06/25/14 12:32pm

Identity

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How could Prince and WB screw this up? Prince is involved lol



This. The reconciliation was doomed from the outset. We saw it coming, hoped diaster would be averted , but on the 30th anniversary of PR, reality is settling in.

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Reply #10 posted 06/25/14 12:41pm

lwr001

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building momentum? people first need to be reminded of something that happenedd 30 years ago

There is a plethora of media outlets runnign in depth articles about PR today; no better time than now to have dl'd his new CD and remaster

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Reply #11 posted 06/25/14 1:00pm

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Genesia said:

novabrkr said:

The deal itself wasn't made that long time ago. It takes a while to get such things properly with big companies (obviously, Prince already complained about that to Bream).


Oh, come on. Like no one figured out that 2014 minus 1984 equals 30 years until a couple months ago? A remaster should have been in the can ages ago.

They missed the 20th and 25th anniversary. Why would WB work on a remaster when there was no cooperation from Prince? Especially if they wanted outtakes, etc.

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Reply #12 posted 06/25/14 1:57pm

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Identity said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How could Prince and WB screw this up? Prince is involved lol



This. The reconciliation was doomed from the outset. We saw it coming, hoped diaster would be averted , but on the 30th anniversary of PR, reality is settling in.

It is such a paradox. Money and control are the most important things to Prince. He loves control just a little more than he loves money but is willing to SELL. THAT. ASS. for cash and he could rake in the BANK if he just let go a little and allowed things to happen.

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Reply #13 posted 06/25/14 2:02pm

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Genesia said:

novabrkr said:

The deal itself wasn't made that long time ago. It takes a while to get such things properly with big companies (obviously, Prince already complained about that to Bream).


Oh, come on. Like no one figured out that 2014 minus 1984 equals 30 years until a couple months ago? A remaster should have been in the can ages ago.

We don't have any information on that at this point. Remastering material from old tapes is not the cheapest thing imaginable either, especially if you're going to get real professional for the job. I've understood that they would have also needed Prince's approval for the project and it's an entirely different thing to have him do at least some promotion for the release than just release it in the stores.


He was dealing with other labels just a few weeks prior to the announcement that he was going to return to WB, so it really does seem to be the case that it all happened quickly.

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Reply #14 posted 06/25/14 2:02pm

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*optimistic tone* Maybe he forgot it was today? An album will be out any day now! Ahahahaha ..... FUCK sad
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Reply #15 posted 06/25/14 3:07pm

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Another opportunity missed... nothing new. sigh

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Reply #16 posted 06/25/14 3:53pm

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Quite honestly, they should have had Purple Rain worked out when they made that initial announcement - it should have been a key thing to say 'Hey, look at what you are going to get from this deal' but instead we got 'Hey, you might get something cool out of this deal. Or something bad. We don't really know - but we have a deal!'.

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Reply #17 posted 06/25/14 3:58pm

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novabrkr said:

Genesia said:


Oh, come on. Like no one figured out that 2014 minus 1984 equals 30 years until a couple months ago? A remaster should have been in the can ages ago.

We don't have any information on that at this point. Remastering material from old tapes is not the cheapest thing imaginable either, especially if you're going to get real professional for the job. I've understood that they would have also needed Prince's approval for the project and it's an entirely different thing to have him do at least some promotion for the release than just release it in the stores.


He was dealing with other labels just a few weeks prior to the announcement that he was going to return to WB, so it really does seem to be the case that it all happened quickly.

The remastering was already completed. Still, no word on if any outtakes or B-Sides or Remixes were remastered to match the mastering on the actual album. This does take a little time.

September would be a good guess as to when it SHOULD be ready, but if you ever wanted

to screw something up, just ask Prince and Warner Bros to get in the same room.

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Reply #18 posted 06/25/14 4:32pm

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stillwaiting said:

novabrkr said:

We don't have any information on that at this point. Remastering material from old tapes is not the cheapest thing imaginable either, especially if you're going to get real professional for the job. I've understood that they would have also needed Prince's approval for the project and it's an entirely different thing to have him do at least some promotion for the release than just release it in the stores.


He was dealing with other labels just a few weeks prior to the announcement that he was going to return to WB, so it really does seem to be the case that it all happened quickly.

The remastering was already completed. Still, no word on if any outtakes or B-Sides or Remixes were remastered to match the mastering on the actual album. This does take a little time.

September would be a good guess as to when it SHOULD be ready, but if you ever wanted

to screw something up, just ask Prince and Warner Bros to get in the same room.

Warner brothers is an injured music label fighting against the tide of technology to stay relevant. They are likely bending over backwards to get the biggest bang out of this reunion. I'd place most, if not all blame on Prince.

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Reply #19 posted 06/25/14 6:22pm

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Please -- how many of us really thought WB and Prince would be back together by this date?

They are -- you're just not also getting your remaster in time for the big PR anniversary.

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Reply #20 posted 06/25/14 8:05pm

SoulAlive

Yes,it is another missed opportunity,but this is Prince we're talking about lol he could have re-teamed with Warners a year ago and had everything ready to be released right now,but he always seems to have other plans.
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Reply #21 posted 06/25/14 11:49pm

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SoulAlive said:

Yes,it is another missed opportunity,but this is Prince we're talking about lol he could have re-teamed with Warners a year ago and had everything ready to be released right now,but he always seems to have other plans.

He could have use his brain 20 years ago and got a contract involving his back catalogue 20 years ago (like REM did in their deal with a WEA company back then), but instead he was far too focused on having the "biggest contract ever" so he could beat Madonna and Michael Jackson.

I've said this before: we should be on round three of remasters + deluxe editions right now.

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Reply #22 posted 06/26/14 12:07am

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novabrkr said:

The deal itself wasn't made that long time ago. It takes a while to get such things properly with big companies (obviously, Prince already complained about that to Bream).

Oh!? But P can throw down an album every few days. Do a tour in a month from start of communcations to doing a few shows.

Why oh why would WB need time in 2014?! wink

P and WB can screw up just as the P perfume deal of a shile ago can be screwed up.

P loses interest, does not (fully) deliver or there is a dispute about perceived lack of promotion, etc.

I do hope that WB has serious laywers behind the CONtract to cause some CONtroversy.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #23 posted 06/26/14 12:47am

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The Deal had probabaly been in the pipeline for the past 12 months or so, but with it only being completed recently it means there will be a wait on Purple Rain Remaster, Warner wouldn't have pressed ahead to do it while in negotiations for the simple fact Prince would have probably came in and wanted to switch bits around, not being happy with images or what ever else. Purple rain is going to be their Key release out of them all so it will be important its done properly, I'm sure fans wouldn't just want a rushed out album?

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Purple Rain they can take it as far as they want really, for example, they could release a Digitally remastered Blu-ray of the Movie (This may be one of the things they are waiting for if that's what they are doing) It wouldn't make any sense releasing them at different times. This is purely speculation, they may not do anything with the movie but it would make alot of sense to do so if they are spending alot of money promoting the Remaster anyway. There is a Blu-ray of it out there but it isnt widescreen and its not the best quality.

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Just be patient, as long as they get it out between now and next June it lands within the 30th Anniversary smile

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Reply #24 posted 06/26/14 1:31am

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Maybe this new "interview" is again Prince`s way of promotion for his new record...so people know there is -along the PR remaster- a new Prince record ready to be released...

I think he could do better, but this is typical Prince thinking:)...

For the fans it has become too frustrating and probably for his band 3rdeyegirl, too....

But still i think warner needs the remasters badly, too and they offered him a good deal...

So we will finally see the remasters...

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Reply #25 posted 06/26/14 1:51am

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linus4000 said:

But still i think warner needs the remasters badly, too and they offered him a good deal...

Probably not good enough: why is P not focussed anymore?

Where is the buzz about remastered outtakes to go in the multi-disc PR set?

So we will finally see the remasters...

I believe it when I see it.

And I do hope that they won't disappoint.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #26 posted 06/26/14 1:57am

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Aerogram said:

Please -- how many of us really thought WB and Prince would be back together by this date?

They are -- you're just not also getting your remaster in time for the big PR anniversary.

Fully agree with you, we have to have a little patience now. The remasters are coming, the contract is signed.

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Reply #27 posted 06/26/14 2:04am

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udo said:

linus4000 said:

But still i think warner needs the remasters badly, too and they offered him a good deal...

Probably not good enough: why is P not focussed anymore?

Where is the buzz about remastered outtakes to go in the multi-disc PR set?

So we will finally see the remasters...

I believe it when I see it.

And I do hope that they won't disappoint.

I really don`t know why Prince is not focussed anymore. He seems so lost and without a real plan...

Playing big arenas with a one week notice ahead, teasing albums and not releasing them...

He did that before but otherwise we got at least a record a year ....

But still, i hope cool

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Reply #28 posted 06/26/14 2:06am

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linus4000 said:

udo said:

I believe it when I see it.

And I do hope that they won't disappoint.

I really don`t know why Prince is not focussed anymore. He seems so lost and without a real plan...

Playing big arenas with a one week notice ahead, teasing albums and not releasing them...

He did that before but otherwise we got at least a record a year ....

But still, i hope cool

Focus extends over a longer period of time.

Else it is just a glance.

That is what is lackiong with P.

He cannot do projects that take 6 months or so.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #29 posted 06/26/14 2:50am

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BartVanHemelen said:

SoulAlive said:

Yes,it is another missed opportunity,but this is Prince we're talking about lol he could have re-teamed with Warners a year ago and had everything ready to be released right now,but he always seems to have other plans.

He could have use his brain 20 years ago and got a contract involving his back catalogue 20 years ago (like REM did in their deal with a WEA company back then), but instead he was far too focused on having the "biggest contract ever" so he could beat Madonna and Michael Jackson.

I've said this before: we should be on round three of remasters + deluxe editions right now.

So things are not how they should have been and as you've said a thousand times before.

Maybe deal with it and move on?

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