singing it NOW ...he should do what he feels....but releasing it on the remaster ...dont retouch

I just hope he doesn't call up George Lucas and have a Star Wars themed video filmed with Stormtroopers shooting laser guns off as overdubbed sound effects if an actual studio version exists from 1983. Yes, I'm still annoyed that The Breakdown was soiled with sound effects.

bigd74 said:

I think it'll be left as is, he just didn't feel comfortable singing it, it's not as if it's cursing. He's not exactly going to edit Darling Nikki is he? And that is racier.

I don't think he was uncomfortable singing it as much as he was just playing with the words, if he were, I don't think he would have said "technicolor climax", either.

steakfinger said:

HonestMan13 said:

Considering that most diehards have the shelved version whatever we get now is just gravy. I personally am not hoping for cleaned exact versions of tracks I've had for 20 years already. I'd listen to that for all of two times top then every so often when in the mood. Something new would excite me more.

As a serious musician and someone who doesn't actively search for bootlegs, I feel the absolute opposite. I personally always hear things in official releases of former boots that I couldn't hear in the crusty boots. Hell, I've heard things in the official vinyl releases that are almost impossible to hear on the official CDs.

The unreleased music is unreleased. I don't consider bootlegs a release. I consider them an inferior caricature of a release good for little except getting the general idea of the song. Some folks are professional fans but casual listeners. I need to hear the DETAILS.

To each his/her own and I'm not hating.

I hope you hear lots of stuff that you haven't been listening to for 20 years already in shitty, murky quality, (cuz even the clearest bootleg is still worse than the blanket-over-the-speakers crap you get from iTunes).

I'm a serious and sometimes not so serious composer, and can tell you that I hear an AWFUL lot more detail in many bootlegs than I ever would in an overcompressed brickwalled Sound Levels on Volume 11 modern cd. Sometimes the bootlegs are much better sounding. Just try comparing the Black Album official cd to the bootleg cd versions.

And you being a "musician" and me being a "composer" doesn't really mean we know any more or less than anybody else. We may have a false sense of entitlement, but that's all it is.

Bambi82 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think that is different. I think changing the history of the music is what's not good. There are many songs from then that were called something else but in that same time frame the title was changed. Little Girl Wendy's Parade 2 Christopher Tracey's Parade for example.

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Prince is in a different place now, so do the music now that reflects that place, now. But don't go back into your past and 'rewrite it' or censor it. In 1984 Prince was not JW no meat eating no cursing no Christmas celebrating 50ish Prince. So let it be what it is.

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Changing terms and such makes a difference to me.

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It's like if Prince got a rapper from today to do a rap on Electric Intercourse-the cut from 1983. It just messes with the integrity of the music. Or like Prince going in and photoshopping the lace pants and putting on the dress pants he wears today on a pic from 1984...

I agree with this. I wasn't saying it wouldn't suck if he did it, just saying that I understand and respect the fact that he can. I would hate to see anything changed, especially to EI, but I won't complain if it does. We'll always have 8.3.83 and like someone else said, it would kind of be like a new song, so it might not be so bad.. guess we'll see.

Oh, I respect his right to do whatever he wants. But that doesn't alway mean it's a good thing in the short term or long term.

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I know some people don't care, but it's like going back into the B.C. times and adding 20th Century racial terms to people who didn't see themselves by a racial label. Even if someone does a book/film on the Harlem Renaissance or the 1700s and refer to all those of African descent as Black or African American. It's not how those people were viewed or identified. It's all out of place. -Yeah I know that's a bit more on deeper level.

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But re-writing your past or erasing pieces of it is not honest. The same way he looked into the meaning of the cross and christmas, he needs to understand 'Intercourse' and know it's a relatively tame word.

1980's Rude Boy is not 2014's 50something year old JW. 2014's 50something year old Prince if he was 1980 we probably wouldn't even have a Prince.org or be talking about remasters. Respect the Rude Boy, the Prince of Paisley Park, the Kid

stillwaiting said:

I just hope he doesn't call up George Lucas and have a Star Wars themed video filmed with Stormtroopers shooting laser guns off as overdubbed sound effects if an actual studio version exists from 1983. Yes, I'm still annoyed that The Breakdown was soiled with sound effects.

I don't mind them on The Breakdown, but I hope that's the only occurance of them.

HonestMan13 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

of course I would. Any artist would. As an artist you expect it. You put your work out their and criticism is a large part of it. That no one around him has the balls to be honest with an artist is far more concerning. And I would expect record executives with money on the line not to be sycophants because he is a legend. I would expect the record executives to realize what music is beloved of him by not be messed with.

You seem to be forgetting the fact that you weren't supposed to have heard most of the music you claim shouldn't be changed. You're also assuming just because you consider it a finished product and what Prince intended that it is just that. Also he didn't put the work out there it was stolen from him.

"Stolen?" Not really. Prince was careless with his tapes for over a decade. He was like the dumb dumb who keeps leaving his keys in the car wondering why it keeps getting stolen, but worse. He

gave the tapes to all sorts of people around him, even people with no actual music industry knowledge about unreleased recordings. Now if somebody broke into the vault with machine guns and physically took the taps, that's stealing.

But Prince gave out tapes, then publically complained about bootlegs, then continued to give out tapes. These leaks were in place from around 1976 to roughly 1999. If it takes a Multi-Millionaire almost 25 years to figure it out, then you really can't call it "Stealing."

Bertrand said:

lordfalconer said:

You do realise these "Jehova's Witness" versions don't have him singing about his faith? A better term would be "cuss free" versions or something

Also I preferred the live version to any other version I had heard prior to last night - I could very well be alone here but I thought it had a better build and frankly - leaving out the word intercourse sounded better cause it just sounds so damn awkward when sung
Try waiting til' you here a recording of this new version before you start condemning it.

My point is not that he is not allowed to reword his songs. That would be complete nonsense.

What I wanted to say was that, for a CD release from the 80's, I expect to get the versions from the 80's. If I go to the shop and buy tracks from the Purple Rain era, I expect to get the recordings from the PR era, not touches from 30 years later. Prince would be entirely fine to release the new reworked version on a new album which has NOTHING to do with Purple Rain. This would be entirely legitimate.

Having said that, going from "the beautiful ones" to the "electric whatever it is now" indd

icates that it might be on purpose. Many people know about the song and most die hard fans have the first avenue '83. Plus, remember the performance from 1983 was a PUBLIC performance. It had nothing to do with a private studio recording which was meant to be kept secret.

I recommend you to watch Purple Rain and listen to it as it sounds new to you. You will notice that the original versions from 1984 have no religion in them. But, I respect new people. You can find it on DVD, BluRay and CD. You should have no problem to get it and give it a try. It's ok mate. no worries.

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Remember, Crucial was overdubbed on Crystal Ball, "Jam of The Year" was placed in the intro to "Movie Star," so fans worries are with much merit.

U2 re-recorded things on many of their reissues, and Bono's hoarse voice from 2005 and on sounds horribly out of place on 1980's songs.

Still, I, along with most fans, want the original recordings. But Prince will do as he pleases. Let's hope he don't screw this up.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bambi82 said:

I agree with this. I wasn't saying it wouldn't suck if he did it, just saying that I understand and respect the fact that he can. I would hate to see anything changed, especially to EI, but I won't complain if it does. We'll always have 8.3.83 and like someone else said, it would kind of be like a new song, so it might not be so bad.. guess we'll see.

Oh, I respect his right to do whatever he wants. But that doesn't alway mean it's a good thing in the short term or long term.

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I know some people don't care, but it's like going back into the B.C. times and adding 20th Century racial terms to people who didn't see themselves by a racial label. Even if someone does a book/film on the Harlem Renaissance or the 1700s and refer to all those of African descent as Black or African American. It's not how those people were viewed or identified. It's all out of place. -Yeah I know that's a bit more on deeper level.

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But re-writing your past or erasing pieces of it is not honest. The same way he looked into the meaning of the cross and christmas, he needs to understand 'Intercourse' and know it's a relatively tame word.

1980's Rude Boy is not 2014's 50something year old JW. 2014's 50something year old Prince if he was 1980 we probably wouldn't even have a Prince.org or be talking about remasters. Respect the Rude Boy, the Prince of Paisley Park, the Kid

Well that's kind of why I likened it to being embarrassed of something you'd done in the past. There are certainly things I've done/said that I'm embarrassed about and would hate to relive. If that is, indeed, how he feels about these songs/lyrics, I can understand him not wanting to put it out there again. I can imagine there will be quite a few people to which the remaster will be their first introduction to Purple Rain, therefore, they will not just be a representation of his past (to us) but they will also represent someone "new" to these people. kwim? I can see him wanting to present it in a way that more reflects who he is now. I'm sure he appreciates that they are part of his past and helped make him who he is.. but, as you know, looking back and reflecting isn't something he's ever been interested in. Having said that, I honestly don't think he's going to change anything at all.. and if he does, lets give the songs a fair chance.

Bambi82 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh, I respect his right to do whatever he wants. But that doesn't alway mean it's a good thing in the short term or long term.

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I know some people don't care, but it's like going back into the B.C. times and adding 20th Century racial terms to people who didn't see themselves by a racial label. Even if someone does a book/film on the Harlem Renaissance or the 1700s and refer to all those of African descent as Black or African American. It's not how those people were viewed or identified. It's all out of place. -Yeah I know that's a bit more on deeper level.

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But re-writing your past or erasing pieces of it is not honest. The same way he looked into the meaning of the cross and christmas, he needs to understand 'Intercourse' and know it's a relatively tame word.

1980's Rude Boy is not 2014's 50something year old JW. 2014's 50something year old Prince if he was 1980 we probably wouldn't even have a Prince.org or be talking about remasters. Respect the Rude Boy, the Prince of Paisley Park, the Kid

Well that's kind of why I likened it to being embarrassed of something you'd done in the past. There are certainly things I've done/said that I'm embarrassed about and would hate to relive. If that is, indeed, how he feels about these songs/lyrics, I can understand him not wanting to put it out there again. I can imagine there will be quite a few people to which the remaster will be their first introduction to Purple Rain, therefore, they will not just be a representation of his past (to us) but they will also represent someone "new" to these people. kwim? I can see him wanting to present it in a way that more reflects who he is now. I'm sure he appreciates that they are part of his past and helped make him who he is.. but, as you know, looking back and reflecting isn't something he's ever been interested in. Having said that, I honestly don't think he's going to change anything at all.. and if he does, lets give the songs a fair chance.

Hopefully I don't think he will either, and know that many people have heard many of these songs.

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Anyone who hasn't heard Purple Rain by now lol, but I don't think he would change that music especially because the can't edit Purple Rain the movie. Again, he can't really remove who he was in 1982 and present him as 2014 50something year old Prince. He would be crucified across the board for doing that.

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And to edit music or censor it, would turn up the heat for people to find the 'originals' so he should just leave as is lol We know how he feels about boots.

stillwaiting said:

HonestMan13 said:

You seem to be forgetting the fact that you weren't supposed to have heard most of the music you claim shouldn't be changed. You're also assuming just because you consider it a finished product and what Prince intended that it is just that. Also he didn't put the work out there it was stolen from him.

"Stolen?" Not really. Prince was careless with his tapes for over a decade. He was like the dumb dumb who keeps leaving his keys in the car wondering why it keeps getting stolen, but worse. He

gave the tapes to all sorts of people around him, even people with no actual music industry knowledge about unreleased recordings. Now if somebody broke into the vault with machine guns and physically took the taps, that's stealing.

But Prince gave out tapes, then publically complained about bootlegs, then continued to give out tapes. These leaks were in place from around 1976 to roughly 1999. If it takes a Multi-Millionaire almost 25 years to figure it out, then you really can't call it "Stealing."

True, he talked about that in a 1985 interview

I believe there was some kind of mythology of a lake he would throw tapes into after he was done that people would fish out.

He's given tapes to band members, his father, friends etc and anyone could have gotten a hold of them.

Ahhhh.. the fuckery has commenced. I bet FAMS clapped their asses off and swore to each that they enjoyed the NO CUSS version better. It doesn't matter that "Intercourse" isn't even A CUSS WORD!!! I can't wait to hear when "NIIKKIII STARTED TO PRAAY, OW-AH"

since when is the word "Intercourse" a cuss word?

IheartCali said:

If "intercourse" is a mere word, then more reason for people to stop complaining about this whole thing. He wrote it, so who cares if he decides to change the lyrics just a bit ? Does it bother you be because it's not the version you're used to hearing? Or does the fact that Prince has his own personal reason to change the lyrics bother you? I don't get it. :/ "Prince plays One of the most beloved unreleased tracks for the first time in almost 30 years for the long time fans, and fans still complain" <<< is what's happening guys...

The Chriiiiiiiiiisstt

You sing it

The Chriiiiiiiiiisstt

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Spirituality is all I'll ever need

Spritituality let you soul be free

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I knew a woman named Nikki I guess U could say she was a scripture lover

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It's that the word is not a curse/dirty word. Which is most likely why Prince did not use it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bambi82 said:

Well that's kind of why I likened it to being embarrassed of something you'd done in the past. There are certainly things I've done/said that I'm embarrassed about and would hate to relive. If that is, indeed, how he feels about these songs/lyrics, I can understand him not wanting to put it out there again. I can imagine there will be quite a few people to which the remaster will be their first introduction to Purple Rain, therefore, they will not just be a representation of his past (to us) but they will also represent someone "new" to these people. kwim? I can see him wanting to present it in a way that more reflects who he is now. I'm sure he appreciates that they are part of his past and helped make him who he is.. but, as you know, looking back and reflecting isn't something he's ever been interested in. Having said that, I honestly don't think he's going to change anything at all.. and if he does, lets give the songs a fair chance.

Hopefully I don't think he will either, and know that many people have heard many of these songs.

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Anyone who hasn't heard Purple Rain by now lol, but I don't think he would change that music especially because the can't edit Purple Rain the movie. Again, he can't really remove who he was in 1982 and present him as 2014 50something year old Prince. He would be crucified across the board for doing that.

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And to edit music or censor it, would turn up the heat for people to find the 'originals' so he should just leave as is lol We know how he feels about boots.

My niece and nephew are 16 and 18 and they have heard it because of me, but according to them, their friends haven't, and my sister, 25, also knows about Prince because of me but her husband didn't know who he was before she did. May seem weird to us, but there are definitely people out there that may know the name or the rumours but not the music.

bfunk said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

bigd74 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said: But you've never heard it as it's on a bootleg, and you don't do bootlegs do you [Edited 5/16/14 11:19am]

Correct! Eye predicted it was going 2 b included, in the MEGA Purple Rain remaster. Eye never said Eye heard it......

Yeah, but I daydreamed about it being played by Prince at the concert earlier that day before I went in, so I'd say my prediction was ultimately more impressive.

I mean afterwards I did imagine him the seguing into Moonbeam Levels and then being joined by an orchestra for a rendition of Crystal Ball, but I'd say I was correct when it comes to the broader details.

stillwaiting said:

HonestMan13 said:

You seem to be forgetting the fact that you weren't supposed to have heard most of the music you claim shouldn't be changed. You're also assuming just because you consider it a finished product and what Prince intended that it is just that. Also he didn't put the work out there it was stolen from him.

"Stolen?" Not really. Prince was careless with his tapes for over a decade. He was like the dumb dumb who keeps leaving his keys in the car wondering why it keeps getting stolen, but worse. He

gave the tapes to all sorts of people around him, even people with no actual music industry knowledge about unreleased recordings. Now if somebody broke into the vault with machine guns and physically took the taps, that's stealing.

But Prince gave out tapes, then publically complained about bootlegs, then continued to give out tapes. These leaks were in place from around 1976 to roughly 1999. If it takes a Multi-Millionaire almost 25 years to figure it out, then you really can't call it "Stealing."

Okay then lets call it "people who made & paid money off of/for Prince's work but didn't give him a cut".

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Correct! Eye predicted it was going 2 b included, in the MEGA Purple Rain remaster. Eye never said Eye heard it......

Yeah, but I daydreamed about it being played by Prince at the concert earlier that day before I went in, so I'd say my prediction was ultimately more impressive.

I mean afterwards I did imagine him the seguing into Moonbeam Levels and then being joined by an orchestra for a rendition of Crystal Ball, but I'd say I was correct when it comes to the broader details.

Eye'm glad Prince christened U with his "electricity extraordinaire"....

stillwaiting said:

I just hope he doesn't call up George Lucas and have a Star Wars themed video filmed with Stormtroopers shooting laser guns off as overdubbed sound effects if an actual studio version exists from 1983. Yes, I'm still annoyed that The Breakdown was soiled with sound effects.

Oh crap. I bet that's why those lasers were on there--to let us know exactly what he intended to do.

Actually, I don't think he'll change anything ALREADY RELEASED--but vault songs? No guarantees they'll be what we're used to, just mastered. And it's not really necessarily a matter of him censoring his earlier intention. By definition they were unfinished, and we just have them "at some point in their development"--how can we say what his intention was even then (there might be a few exceptions when we can, but, for example, Extraloveable--how do we know he didn't decide against those lines back in the day, whether he ever recorded a different version then or not). The other songs from the 83 First Avenue show weren't the same when they got to Purple Rain--that Electric Intercourse we all know was a work in progress, my friends, however many times we might have listened to it.

I still hope he doesn't change the already released material--and I'd prefer no big new revisions on the vault stuff--but just think how much things like "Come" changed over a short time--he had time back then to do plenty of tinkering, too. Compare the "Witness" versions. Is one a legitimate artistic expression and the other not? If only the rockier one had been circulating, how many of us might complain that he'd "messed with his vision" if the later version were released when he gets around to that period in the remasters?

Maybe Prince is just taking the piss with us, and tries to wind us -complaining hardcores- up by altering the lyrics in live versions of the currently unreleased songs, to make us think he is altering the lyrics on the to be released remasters...

funkaholic1972 said:

Maybe Prince is just taking the piss with us, and tries to wind us -complaining hardcores- up by altering the lyrics in live versions of the currently unreleased songs, to make us think he is altering the lyrics on the to be released remasters...

I had this idea too, he may just be playing with r nerves

Prince is about to have a one-night stand with a girl whose name he doesn't even know. Yet as long as he doesn't mention the word 'intercourse', Jehovah smiles upon the scene.

If anything, Prince should replace Technicolor, as that is a brand/company who might not want to be associated with this particular kind of climax....

the remasters will be the original versions...he will not alter them..they will hopefully be cleaned up tastefully and not brickwalled...i will stake my 30 years of being a big fan on it...he may be a jw but he isnt feckin mental...he wont sing anything live that makes him feel uncomfortable but he wouldnt alter the original versions...warners wouldnt agree to it for a start and it would be a huge mistake by him to do so...

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just imagine thousands of deluxe versions of purple rain getting lobbed in the bin due to nikki reading a magazine in a hotel lobby..

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blackbob said:

the remasters will be the original versions...he will not alter them..they will hopefully be cleaned up tastefully and not brickwalled...i will stake my 30 years of being a big fan on it...he may be a jw but he isnt feckin mental...he wont sing anything live that makes him feel uncomfortable but he wouldnt alter the original versions...warners wouldnt agree to it for a start and it would be a huge mistake by him to do so...

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just imagine thousands of deluxe versions of purple rain getting lobbed in the bin due to nikki reading a magazine in a hotel lobby..

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I'm glad I ain't the only one thinking this

Actually, it will be Nikki masticating with a magazine.

NEWSFLASH!!!!

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Pictures are popping up of the band's typed setlist from the 15th. The song is clearly listed as "Electric Intercourse". Is everyone okay now?

skywalker said:

NEWSFLASH!!!!

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Pictures are popping up of the band's typed setlist from the 15th. The song is clearly listed as "Electric Intercourse". Is everyone okay now?

Yes, Lord Vader.

(Your avatar really scares the shit outta me )