Hi everyone. Seen as I've finished for uni and I have lots of time on my hands, i've decided I want to try to make a comic of the story of camille that was featured in the Lovesexy tour book.

However, seen as theres never been a full in detail idea of what Camille actually looks like, its a guessing game for me illustrating this.

I've always been confused with him/her because of the fact that Prince portrays Camille as female in songs like Housequake with the sped up high pitched version of himself...but then Prince refers to Camille as 'he' in the actual story which is in the lovesexy tour book.

I drew up some basic sketches of what I thought Camille might look like as a female:

The only thing I really had to go off with what she might look like is the (I'm taking) bootleg cover of Camille with crosses for eyes.

Sounds like a very interesting project! And your sketches are as good a representation of Camille as possible really, I like them. Interested in what your interpretation of Spooky Electric will look like.

love the one on the right.

Wouldn't she look like.... Prince?

Angelsoncrack said:

Oh that's easy!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh that's easy!

Bingo.

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Exactly that, peach & black. This look IS Camille to me. The inside sleeve of SOTT, the yellow with glasses is also an image I associate with a Camille 'look'.

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Cute pic though Angelsoncrack. -- FYI though, he never portrays Camille as she in the songs, the vocals are pitched and they sound androgynous, but never 'female'.

robertgeorgeakabob said:

The dude(tte) playing the organ intro to Hot Thing on SOTT live, that moment when it breaks into a grin...that to me is how I envisage Camille to look like.

NouveauDance said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

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timmie said:

[Edited 5/8/14 9:14am]

wait....is that Prince?! omg!

Btw thanks so much for all the feedback guys i've been working on a turnaround sheet for Camille but it isnt finished yet.

Angelsoncrack said:

timmie said:

wait....is that Prince?! omg!

Btw thanks so much for all the feedback guys i've been working on a turnaround sheet for Camille but it isnt finished yet.

No. It's Cat.

[Edited 5/8/14 20:45pm]

I like the sketch on the right, but I think Camille was always "he" and never a woman. The name itself is apparently French and has been used for men and women. Regardless of the high-pitched voice the subject matter of all Camille songs seems to be sung from a male perspective ("If I Was Your Girlfriend"). So I think the breasts you've drawn for the characters miss the point quite a bit.

I think Prince got the inspiration for the character at least partly from the "Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk" character from Parliament records. The character also had his voice sped-up, was mischievous and went through a "transformation" from "bad to good" on the records and live shows. The high-pitched voice didn't make that character a "woman" either, it was just meant to be cartoonish.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

The dude(tte) playing the organ intro to Hot Thing on SOTT live, that moment when it breaks into a grin...that to me is how I envisage Camille to look like.

Ooh that was a cold organ/keyboard part Prince was playing during this segment!!!

[Edited 5/8/14 23:30pm]

Make me want to dig that tape back out and take a listen; may have to do that this weekend!

YAHOO INTERNET LIFE * October 1997

Sites O' the Times

Artists have always been interested in
new technologies. DaVinci was.
Duchamp was. And the Artist is, too.

By Ben Greenman

YIL: This may sound nuts, but does the Camille alter ego, which you used on Sign O' the Times, have anything to do with the famous nineteenth-century hermaphrodite Herculine Barbin, who was nicknamed Camille? If so, my younger brother will be very, very happy, since he has spent roughly a decade trying to convince me of this.

TA: Your brother is very wise.

Herculine Barbin (1838–1868) was a French intersex person who was treated as a female at birth but was later redesignated a male after an affair and physical examination.

Although Barbin was in puberty, she had not begun to menstruate and remained flat chested. She would trim the hairs on her upper lip and cheeks which only made the hair thicker and more noticeable.

In 1857 Barbin received a position as an assistant teacher in a girl's school. She fell in love with another teacher, Sara, and Barbin demanded that only she should dress her. Her ministrations turned into caresses and they became lovers. Eventually rumors about their affair began to circulate.

Barbin, although sick her whole life, began to suffer excruciating pains. When a doctor examined her, he was shocked and asked that she should be sent away from the school, but she stayed.

Eventually, the devoutly Catholic Barbin confessed to Jean-François-Anne Landriot, the Bishop of La Rochelle. She asked him permission to break the confessional silence in order to send for a doctor to examine her. When Dr. Chesnet did so in 1860, he discovered that even if Barbin had a small vagina, she was bodily masculine and had a very small penis and testicles inside her body. In modern terms, she had "male pseudohermaphroditism".

A later legal decision declared official that Barbin was male. She left her lover and her job, changed her name to Abel Barbin and was briefly mentioned in the press. She moved to Paris where she lived in poverty and wrote her memoirs, reputedly as a part of therapy. In the memoirs, Barbin would use female pronouns when writing about her life prior to sexual redesignation and male pronouns following the declaration.

In February 1868, the concierge of Barbin's house in rue de l'École-de-Médecine found him dead in his home. He had committed suicide by inhaling gas from his coal gas stove. His memoirs were found beside his bed.

http://www.vice.com/es/re...s-fanzines

New York - Cuando hacíamos fanzines

Por Amy Kellner may 1 2007

Hola. Estamos muy, pero que muy orgullosos de presentar hoy el “Proyecto Vice de Conservación de los fanzines-oscuros-que-nuestros-amigos-hicieron-en-los-90s”. Empezamos con la editora general de Vice New York y su aclamado fanzine noventero “If Prince Was My Girlfriend” (“Si Prince fuese mi novia”) que, en 1997, recibió críticas brillantes en Factsheet Five, Queer Zine Explosion, Screw y en cada pequeña publicación lesbiana existente en ese momento. El fanzine era sobre Prince, pero sobretodo era de amor. Jaja, no, era sobre la autora, sus pensamientos, sueños e ideas sobre el amor, el sexo y el género (era licenciada en Estudios de la Mujer, lo que explica todo), y como todo se vinculaba con PRINCE. Era muy divertido. Comencemos este viaje atrás en el tiempo, hace mucho tiempo, antes de los blogs, antes de MySpace, cuando los fanzines le decían al mundo “Este soy yo, mundo! Y estoy lleno de angustia!”. Acompañadme…

La portada la dibujó Jim Krewson, que ahora hace muchas ilustraciones para Vice. Se supone que debería parecerse a un libro para colorear, y es Prince paseando dos versiones mutantes del símbolo por el que se cambió el nombre. Jajajaja!

I think Prince has been giving us Camille in all the women/lovers of his life who Prince has identified with extremely

Susan Moonsie, Vanity, Jill Jones, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E. Wendy & Susannah Melvoin, Cat, Troy Breyer

OldFriends4Sale said:

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YAHOO INTERNET LIFE * October 1997

Sites O' the Times

Artists have always been interested in
new technologies. DaVinci was.
Duchamp was. And the Artist is, too.

By Ben Greenman

YIL: This may sound nuts, but does the Camille alter ego, which you used on Sign O' the Times, have anything to do with the famous nineteenth-century hermaphrodite Herculine Barbin, who was nicknamed Camille? If so, my younger brother will be very, very happy, since he has spent roughly a decade trying to convince me of this.

TA: Your brother is very wise.

Herculine Barbin (1838–1868) was a French intersex person who was treated as a female at birth but was later redesignated a male after an affair and physical examination.

Although Barbin was in puberty, she had not begun to menstruate and remained flat chested. She would trim the hairs on her upper lip and cheeks which only made the hair thicker and more noticeable.

In 1857 Barbin received a position as an assistant teacher in a girl's school. She fell in love with another teacher, Sara, and Barbin demanded that only she should dress her. Her ministrations turned into caresses and they became lovers. Eventually rumors about their affair began to circulate.

Barbin, although sick her whole life, began to suffer excruciating pains. When a doctor examined her, he was shocked and asked that she should be sent away from the school, but she stayed.

Eventually, the devoutly Catholic Barbin confessed to Jean-François-Anne Landriot, the Bishop of La Rochelle. She asked him permission to break the confessional silence in order to send for a doctor to examine her. When Dr. Chesnet did so in 1860, he discovered that even if Barbin had a small vagina, she was bodily masculine and had a very small penis and testicles inside her body. In modern terms, she had "male pseudohermaphroditism".

A later legal decision declared official that Barbin was male. She left her lover and her job, changed her name to Abel Barbin and was briefly mentioned in the press. She moved to Paris where she lived in poverty and wrote her memoirs, reputedly as a part of therapy. In the memoirs, Barbin would use female pronouns when writing about her life prior to sexual redesignation and male pronouns following the declaration.

In February 1868, the concierge of Barbin's house in rue de l'École-de-Médecine found him dead in his home. He had committed suicide by inhaling gas from his coal gas stove. His memoirs were found beside his bed.

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Wicked to the core. Hopefully, IT won't be around much longer.

AzifWeKare said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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YAHOO INTERNET LIFE * October 1997

Sites O' the Times

Artists have always been interested in
new technologies. DaVinci was.
Duchamp was. And the Artist is, too.

By Ben Greenman

YIL: This may sound nuts, but does the Camille alter ego, which you used on Sign O' the Times, have anything to do with the famous nineteenth-century hermaphrodite Herculine Barbin, who was nicknamed Camille? If so, my younger brother will be very, very happy, since he has spent roughly a decade trying to convince me of this.

TA: Your brother is very wise.

Herculine Barbin (1838–1868) was a French intersex person who was treated as a female at birth but was later redesignated a male after an affair and physical examination.

Although Barbin was in puberty, she had not begun to menstruate and remained flat chested. She would trim the hairs on her upper lip and cheeks which only made the hair thicker and more noticeable.

In 1857 Barbin received a position as an assistant teacher in a girl's school. She fell in love with another teacher, Sara, and Barbin demanded that only she should dress her. Her ministrations turned into caresses and they became lovers. Eventually rumors about their affair began to circulate.

Barbin, although sick her whole life, began to suffer excruciating pains. When a doctor examined her, he was shocked and asked that she should be sent away from the school, but she stayed.

Eventually, the devoutly Catholic Barbin confessed to Jean-François-Anne Landriot, the Bishop of La Rochelle. She asked him permission to break the confessional silence in order to send for a doctor to examine her. When Dr. Chesnet did so in 1860, he discovered that even if Barbin had a small vagina, she was bodily masculine and had a very small penis and testicles inside her body. In modern terms, she had "male pseudohermaphroditism".

A later legal decision declared official that Barbin was male. She left her lover and her job, changed her name to Abel Barbin and was briefly mentioned in the press. She moved to Paris where she lived in poverty and wrote her memoirs, reputedly as a part of therapy. In the memoirs, Barbin would use female pronouns when writing about her life prior to sexual redesignation and male pronouns following the declaration.

In February 1868, the concierge of Barbin's house in rue de l'École-de-Médecine found him dead in his home. He had committed suicide by inhaling gas from his coal gas stove. His memoirs were found beside his bed.

And that picture is Prince 1979 & 1988 hair too

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

timmie said:

nursev said:

timmie said:

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this pic of cat truly disturbed my young mind back then I was like wtf

That pic was fine. This was the pic that got on my nerves:

Because there were morons in my neighborhood that swore up and down that both of the people in it were Prince and there was just no convincing them otherwise.