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Reply #150 posted 09/08/13 8:30am

BobGeorge909

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I still have an inkling that prince penned the last verse. Probably not, it just seems uncharacteristically sexual for her. There's this sexual swagger in that last verse that doesnt seem like her.

She followed me to the lobby, looking for some undercover love...saucy. is this Nikkis, cousin or sister or summin', perving people in hotel lobbies.


Edit: maybe in this day and age, it would be Nikki's daughter or niece
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Reply #151 posted 09/08/13 8:43am

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Were they in the studio together? Or is this another case of tracks being passed back and forth and him just adding his bits and sending it back?

If they were actually together, and she actually gave feedback in real time, and had him do another pass at a vocal (or whatever else he contributed) until it met her standards--well, maybe we could say she produced him. I'm guessing (until I'm told otherwise) that it's more like Prince's contributions to the Kate Bush, No Doubt, or Ani Difranco tracks from the past. They had close to completed tracks to which he added, doing his stuff on his own using his own methods, and she had to take it or leave it (though in this case I suppose there was a written verse that he had to put where it already was)--he followed her lead more than he might have with Bush and No Doubt (which he messed with so much that they had problems keeping the tracks going more or less where they wanted without just getting rid of him entirely). He played nice on someone else's playground--as he seemed to with Ani, instead of running roughshod over seomeone else's vision, as he did with Bush and No Doubt. Perhaps it was just a matter of Difranco and Monae communicating to him what parameters they wanted him to stay within, and the other acts didn't do that.

I don't see how this tracks suggests that Prince should have Monae or anyone else produce him, as in guiding the recording of his own song. I like what Monae came up with, quite a bit, but it's a Monae song, featuring Prince. I doubt that he would allow someone else to have much control over his own material.

janelle said they were in the studio together yes ..she said it on the bet awards red carpet..yes of course it's a monae song it's her song featuring prince

[Edited 9/8/13 7:45am]

How much detail did she go into on the red carpet? I haven't read anything where she clarifies anything about how it worked. I know they've been in the studio together (going a ways back, probably before this track was worked on), but how did this track really go down? Did he come in, do his bit, and leave (as with his appearance on "Stand Back"--or did she really tell him what to do? I don't doubt she could--she clearly knows what she wants, and I'm blown away by what I've heard (when my copies of Metropolis and Archandroid get here (I hope tomorrow) I plan to spend the rest of the week listening to nothing but Monae). I'm not questioning her bonafides as an artist, or as a producer of her own work. I'm wondering exactly how much she did, in order to figure out whether Prince really would allow anyone to do much producing of him (particularly in connection with something that was "his song"). In other words, I'm questioning Prince's ability to work with a producer, turning over a significant amount of control to someone else. Let's remember, the only time he's had an outside producer was when he was a symbol and the guest producer was "Prince." In other words--I don't think Prince is up to being produced by someone else. I don't think it's part of his bag of tricks.

As to what you bolded in my post. Yes, I know it's Monae's song. I was reminding other people (fishwillbite, for example, or djj) of that fact. My point was that people are moving from the success of this track (as I said, a Monae song featuring Prince) to wanting Monae--or some other producer--to produce Prince (a completely different proposition). That's what I think doesn't make sense.

So, while I wait for Prince to release another Prince-produced opus, I'm gonna spend some of that time listening to Monae's Monae-produced work.

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Reply #152 posted 09/08/13 8:55am

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Stevie produced him. And that fool's blind! I would presume George prodhced the track on his album...paradigm...but i dont know for sure. Its rare but kts not a 'never.'

I suppose paradigm was a co-production after googling it.
[Edited 9/8/13 9:00am]
And kiss was by jn large a mazarati production featuring prknce. I believe they got production credit on the album.
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Reply #153 posted 09/08/13 9:32am

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Curious if anybody who's had a listen to the whole album is hearing Prince on any other tracks besides Givin Em What They Love?

It's Prince we're talking about here, so, just because he's only credited for contributing to one track doesn't necessarily mean there's not additional uncredited "ghost contributions" somewhere on the album. I'm not saying there are, just wondering, anyone think they hear him elsewhere?

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Reply #154 posted 09/08/13 9:34am

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BobGeorge909 said:

Stevie produced him. And that fool's blind! I would presume George prodhced the track on his album...paradigm...but i dont know for sure. Its rare but kts not a 'never.' I suppose paradigm was a co-production after googling it. [Edited 9/8/13 9:00am] And kiss was by jn large a mazarati production featuring prknce. I believe they got production credit on the album. [Edited 9/8/13 9:13am]

Princevault leaves open the possibility that Prince's guitar was recorded separately from Stevie's basic tracks. "Paradigm" was, I believe, a back and forth thing (George does his, Prince does his). Mazarati (and David Z.) got a barebones guitar and vocal, recorded the whole track on their own, and then Prince took what they did (without working with them at any point), dropped a bit, added a bit, did the vocal, and called it a day. He didn't take a bit of instruction from them at any point, or work with them as "his producer" on the track. He just took what they had done and claimed it as his, and worked from there. Credit was given to David Z (as arranger) and to Mazarati (for background vocals). So, minor session work (possibly actually produced on his own) for Stevie, a track which takes portions written and produced by George and puts them with portions written and produced by Prince, and a track written by Prince, mostly produced and recorded by David Z and Mazarati, and then produced and finished by Prince.

None of which suggests anything about what would happen if Prince went into a studio with his songs and another person handling production duty.

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Reply #155 posted 09/08/13 9:44am

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Cuz producers only work in one way...right? They get in bed with the talent ant product ensues.

Producer/artist stems from close to distant. U dont havetobe in the same rooma s someone to produce them.


But whatever...ure right.

Despite stevies credits saying he produced it.
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Reply #156 posted 09/08/13 10:39am

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BobGeorge909 said:

Cuz producers only work in one way...right? They get in bed with the talent ant product ensues. Producer/artist stems from close to distant. U dont havetobe in the same rooma s someone to produce them. But whatever...ure right. Despite stevies credits saying he produced it.

You're right, they do work in different ways. But I wonder what it really means to say someone is producing someone when that someone is doing their part hundreds or thousands of miles away at a completely different time. Stevie's responsible, ultimately, for what's on that track. If Prince recorded it on his own somewhere else (and I don't know that he did), Stevie produced it in much the same way that Prince produced Clare Fisher's contributions over the years, by sending him what he'd already done and taking or leaving what his contributor recorded on his own, somewhere else.

Perhaps the real thing is that "producing" doesn't have a clear meaning. What a producer contributes varies considerably. One producer might be intimately involved in almost every aspect of realizing a recording--someone else might have more of a consultant role. And everything that lies between those extremes. Sure, there's a credit for production, and that's the person who "produced" the recording (unless, or course, it isn't--and as people on a Prince site, we should be aware that credits don't always tell the truth), but if we mean letting someone else have real input into what Prince himself does or does not do on a track that will go out as "Prince"--yeah, I don't really see that happening. And if Stevie's track suggests to you (or anyone else) where an outside producer can take Prince's own work? Well, okay. It doesn't do that for me. And neither does Monae's.

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Reply #157 posted 09/08/13 10:48am

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Loving Prince's falsetto on this! fallinluv worship Yassss!

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Reply #158 posted 09/08/13 11:01am

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EddieC said:

BobGeorge909 said:

Cuz producers only work in one way...right? They get in bed with the talent ant product ensues. Producer/artist stems from close to distant. U dont havetobe in the same rooma s someone to produce them. But whatever...ure right. Despite stevies credits saying he produced it.

You're right, they do work in different ways. But I wonder what it really means to say someone is producing someone when that someone is doing their part hundreds or thousands of miles away at a completely different time. Stevie's responsible, ultimately, for what's on that track. If Prince recorded it on his own somewhere else (and I don't know that he did), Stevie produced it in much the same way that Prince produced Clare Fisher's contributions over the years, by sending him what he'd already done and taking or leaving what his contributor recorded on his own, somewhere else.

Perhaps the real thing is that "producing" doesn't have a clear meaning. What a producer contributes varies considerably. One producer might be intimately involved in almost every aspect of realizing a recording--someone else might have more of a consultant role. And everything that lies between those extremes. Sure, there's a credit for production, and that's the person who "produced" the recording (unless, or course, it isn't--and as people on a Prince site, we should be aware that credits don't always tell the truth), but if we mean letting someone else have real input into what Prince himself does or does not do on a track that will go out as "Prince"--yeah, I don't really see that happening. And if Stevie's track suggests to you (or anyone else) where an outside producer can take Prince's own work? Well, okay. It doesn't do that for me. And neither does Monae's.

yeahthat Excellent assment!! Especially the bolded...

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Reply #159 posted 09/08/13 11:22am

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Does anyone know who else is playing guitar on this album?

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Reply #160 posted 09/08/13 12:03pm

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Kellindo Parker, I hope.

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Reply #161 posted 09/08/13 12:05pm

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dustoff said:

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

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Reply #162 posted 09/08/13 12:14pm

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EddieC said:



BobGeorge909 said:


Cuz producers only work in one way...right? They get in bed with the talent ant product ensues. Producer/artist stems from close to distant. U dont havetobe in the same rooma s someone to produce them. But whatever...ure right. Despite stevies credits saying he produced it.


You're right, they do work in different ways. But I wonder what it really means to say someone is producing someone when that someone is doing their part hundreds or thousands of miles away at a completely different time. Stevie's responsible, ultimately, for what's on that track. If Prince recorded it on his own somewhere else (and I don't know that he did), Stevie produced it in much the same way that Prince produced Clare Fisher's contributions over the years, by sending him what he'd already done and taking or leaving what his contributor recorded on his own, somewhere else.



Perhaps the real thing is that "producing" doesn't have a clear meaning. What a producer contributes varies considerably. One producer might be intimately involved in almost every aspect of realizing a recording--someone else might have more of a consultant role. And everything that lies between those extremes. Sure, there's a credit for production, and that's the person who "produced" the recording (unless, or course, it isn't--and as people on a Prince site, we should be aware that credits don't always tell the truth), but if we mean letting someone else have real input into what Prince himself does or does not do on a track that will go out as "Prince"--yeah, I don't really see that happening. And if Stevie's track suggests to you (or anyone else) where an outside producer can take Prince's own work? Well, okay. It doesn't do that for me. And neither does Monae's.


Thanks for clearly stating my position. U will long wonder the answer to your question chz there arent many, and never will be, examples of prince being produced. U know hes controlling. .waiting for large examples of this is like wajting for snow in L.A. it happens, never for long, and its never a good example.
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Reply #163 posted 09/08/13 12:19pm

cindymay

EddieC said:

cindymay said:

janelle said they were in the studio together yes ..she said it on the bet awards red carpet..yes of course it's a monae song it's her song featuring prince

[Edited 9/8/13 7:45am]

How much detail did she go into on the red carpet? I haven't read anything where she clarifies anything about how it worked. I know they've been in the studio together (going a ways back, probably before this track was worked on), but how did this track really go down? Did he come in, do his bit, and leave (as with his appearance on "Stand Back"--or did she really tell him what to do? I don't doubt she could--she clearly knows what she wants, and I'm blown away by what I've heard (when my copies of Metropolis and Archandroid get here (I hope tomorrow) I plan to spend the rest of the week listening to nothing but Monae). I'm not questioning her bonafides as an artist, or as a producer of her own work. I'm wondering exactly how much she did, in order to figure out whether Prince really would allow anyone to do much producing of him (particularly in connection with something that was "his song"). In other words, I'm questioning Prince's ability to work with a producer, turning over a significant amount of control to someone else. Let's remember, the only time he's had an outside producer was when he was a symbol and the guest producer was "Prince." In other words--I don't think Prince is up to being produced by someone else. I don't think it's part of his bag of tricks.

As to what you bolded in my post. Yes, I know it's Monae's song. I was reminding other people (fishwillbite, for example, or djj) of that fact. My point was that people are moving from the success of this track (as I said, a Monae song featuring Prince) to wanting Monae--or some other producer--to produce Prince (a completely different proposition). That's what I think doesn't make sense.

So, while I wait for Prince to release another Prince-produced opus, I'm gonna spend some of that time listening to Monae's Monae-produced work.

don't know the details she was just asked: were you in the studio together for the track? and she said yes of course..and that she was in the studio with every guest...she was on the red carpet she hadn't so much time..she also said she was honored to have had the chance to produce him and that meant the world to her seeing that he trusted her to that point...they seem to have a really good relationship..if you are interested in her work after metropolis and archandroid you can check out the audition, a sort of mixtape, lot of tracks are acoustic she was like 18 years old at the time but some material on that is already good for being her first songs written when she was basically a teen ..you can find it only on line though because she released that fully indipendently selling copies directly in her concerts at atlanta university before she had a record deal..

[Edited 9/8/13 12:21pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 12:34pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 13:03pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 13:08pm]

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Reply #164 posted 09/08/13 12:25pm

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BobGeorge909 said:

I still have an inkling that prince penned the last verse. Probably not, it just seems uncharacteristically sexual for her. There's this sexual swagger in that last verse that doesnt seem like her. She followed me to the lobby, looking for some undercover love...saucy. is this Nikkis, cousin or sister or summin', perving people in hotel lobbies. Edit: maybe in this day and age, it would be Nikki's daughter or niece [Edited 9/8/13 9:17am]

lol but I noticed janelle is definitely more sexual in her lyrics in this album on this,on primetime, the all booty don't like concept in q.u.e.e.n...her naked butt painting( like the ones she painted on stage last year that were the inspiration for the title) stamped on the cd... wink

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Reply #165 posted 09/08/13 12:36pm

cindymay

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

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yes he's maceo parker's nephew

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Reply #166 posted 09/08/13 12:36pm

cindymay

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Kellindo Parker, I hope.

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

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yes he's maceo parker's nephew

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Reply #167 posted 09/08/13 12:52pm

djThunderfunk

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cindymay said:

djThunderfunk said:

Cool. Thanks, I'll have to check him out.

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yes he's maceo parker's nephew

No doody ?!?

That is cool!

cool

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Reply #168 posted 09/08/13 2:02pm

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cindymay said:

EddieC said:

How much detail did she go into on the red carpet? I haven't read anything where she clarifies anything about how it worked. I know they've been in the studio together (going a ways back, probably before this track was worked on), but how did this track really go down? Did he come in, do his bit, and leave (as with his appearance on "Stand Back"--or did she really tell him what to do? I don't doubt she could--she clearly knows what she wants, and I'm blown away by what I've heard (when my copies of Metropolis and Archandroid get here (I hope tomorrow) I plan to spend the rest of the week listening to nothing but Monae). I'm not questioning her bonafides as an artist, or as a producer of her own work. I'm wondering exactly how much she did, in order to figure out whether Prince really would allow anyone to do much producing of him (particularly in connection with something that was "his song"). In other words, I'm questioning Prince's ability to work with a producer, turning over a significant amount of control to someone else. Let's remember, the only time he's had an outside producer was when he was a symbol and the guest producer was "Prince." In other words--I don't think Prince is up to being produced by someone else. I don't think it's part of his bag of tricks.

As to what you bolded in my post. Yes, I know it's Monae's song. I was reminding other people (fishwillbite, for example, or djj) of that fact. My point was that people are moving from the success of this track (as I said, a Monae song featuring Prince) to wanting Monae--or some other producer--to produce Prince (a completely different proposition). That's what I think doesn't make sense.

So, while I wait for Prince to release another Prince-produced opus, I'm gonna spend some of that time listening to Monae's Monae-produced work.

don't know the details she was just asked: were you in the studio together for the track? and she said yes of course..and that she was in the studio with every guest...she was on the red carpet she hadn't so much time..she also said she was honored to have had the chance to produce him and that meant the world to her seeing that he trusted her to that point...they seem to have a really good relationship..if you are interested in her work after metropolis and archandroid you can check out the audition, a sort of mixtape, lot of tracks are acoustic she was like 18 years old at the time but some material on that is already good for being her first songs written when she was basically a teen ..you can find it only on line though because she released that fully indipendently selling copies directly in her concerts at atlanta university before she had a record deal..

[Edited 9/8/13 12:21pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 12:34pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 13:03pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 13:08pm]

I actually listened to half of Electric Lady and then decided to start from the beginning with The Audition, so I listened to it, and then placed my order for the others.

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Reply #169 posted 09/08/13 5:07pm

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EddieC said:

cindymay said:

don't know the details she was just asked: were you in the studio together for the track? and she said yes of course..and that she was in the studio with every guest...she was on the red carpet she hadn't so much time..she also said she was honored to have had the chance to produce him and that meant the world to her seeing that he trusted her to that point...they seem to have a really good relationship..if you are interested in her work after metropolis and archandroid you can check out the audition, a sort of mixtape, lot of tracks are acoustic she was like 18 years old at the time but some material on that is already good for being her first songs written when she was basically a teen ..you can find it only on line though because she released that fully indipendently selling copies directly in her concerts at atlanta university before she had a record deal..

[Edited 9/8/13 12:21pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 12:34pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 13:03pm]

[Edited 9/8/13 13:08pm]

I actually listened to half of Electric Lady and then decided to start from the beginning with The Audition, so I listened to it, and then placed my order for the others.

very professional starting from the beginning wink

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Reply #170 posted 09/08/13 5:07pm

cindymay

djThunderfunk said:

cindymay said:

yes he's maceo parker's nephew

No doody ?!?

That is cool!

cool

yes it is cool

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Reply #171 posted 09/08/13 7:35pm

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cindymay said:

EddieC said:

I actually listened to half of Electric Lady and then decided to start from the beginning with The Audition, so I listened to it, and then placed my order for the others.

very professional starting from the beginning wink

It's probably neurotic, really. But it's the way I tend to do things.

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Reply #172 posted 09/08/13 7:52pm

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cindymay said:



BobGeorge909 said:


I still have an inkling that prince penned the last verse. Probably not, it just seems uncharacteristically sexual for her. There's this sexual swagger in that last verse that doesnt seem like her. She followed me to the lobby, looking for some undercover love...saucy. is this Nikkis, cousin or sister or summin', perving people in hotel lobbies. Edit: maybe in this day and age, it would be Nikki's daughter or niece [Edited 9/8/13 9:17am]

lol but I noticed janelle is definitely more sexual in her lyrics in this album on this,on primetime, the all booty don't like concept in q.u.e.e.n...her naked butt painting( like the ones she painted on stage last year that were the inspiration for the title) stamped on the cd... wink


Actually the booty dont lie line isnt sexual. More to do with honesty...kind of...
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Reply #173 posted 09/08/13 7:55pm

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And if eddie c and cindymay switched names, she'd be Cindy C and he'b EddieM


Id still be bobgeorge tho pout
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Reply #174 posted 09/08/13 9:38pm

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And if eddie c and cindymay switched names, she'd be Cindy C and he'b EddieM Id still be bobgeorge tho pout

C's my middle initial--my actual last name begins with an M. I just didn't feel like dealing with that--and I think I actually may have had an account here as EddieM at some point, but I couldn't remember, so I just made a new one.

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Reply #175 posted 09/09/13 1:03am

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And if eddie c and cindymay switched names, she'd be Cindy C and he'b EddieM Id still be bobgeorge tho pout

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Reply #176 posted 09/09/13 1:05am

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BobGeorge909 said:

cindymay said:

lol but I noticed janelle is definitely more sexual in her lyrics in this album on this,on primetime, the all booty don't like concept in q.u.e.e.n...her naked butt painting( like the ones she painted on stage last year that were the inspiration for the title) stamped on the cd... wink

Actually the booty dont lie line isnt sexual. More to do with honesty...kind of...

yes you're right even though a lot of people tend to see it as sexual reference..but people are usually really slow yesterday when she was talking about androids on twitter people thought she was talking about the phone confused the world is not ready she's ahead of her time

[Edited 9/9/13 1:08am]

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Reply #177 posted 09/09/13 4:22am

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cindymay said:

BobGeorge909 said:

cindymay said: Actually the booty dont lie line isnt sexual. More to do with honesty...kind of...

yes you're right even though a lot of people tend to see it as sexual reference..but people are usually really slow yesterday when she was talking about androids on twitter people thought she was talking about the phone confused the world is not ready she's ahead of her time

[Edited 9/9/13 1:08am]

Or maybe she is a bit behind? The term android refers to more than just a robot these days.

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Reply #178 posted 09/09/13 1:20pm

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I got the Cd today and have now heard the Give em what they love. I really like the song but was surprised how little Prince is actually on the track. Most of the instrumentation is handle by Janelle's musicians.

I would have got the album regardless of the Prince guest slot.

Great album, highly enjoyable.

I hope Janelle gets a guest spot on the next Prince album in return.
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Reply #179 posted 09/09/13 3:39pm

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Is Prince playing guitar on this track?

yes. lead. (I just got the CD in the mail)

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