And if I don't like a song/album from any particular artist, I just wont buy it.

FragileUndertow said:

I'm surprised it took you this many years to realize this *and no this has nothing to with serpan-gate*
For me the excitement has been gone for years

How can I get excited about music he releases when I cant even buy the stuff

Ok we got a few songs via 3rdeye.com what ever that web site was called

I have to search for his new music via bootleg and at that some times its not even worth it

The last time i was excited is when he released the Lotus Flower 3 CD set

Now dont get me wrong i love the guy and his music, but is an official CD worth of music too much to ask for?
And i know the answer .. yes it is

100% agreement with everything you just said.

We want new music, "free the music."

i think releasing these singles and live snips all the times kills the excitement a bit

he has released many many new cds that i was excited for even tho they ended up sucking

i was still happy to pay and check it out

now with these singles i just get disappointed over and over more frequently to the point where i could care less what is next

had he put these on a cd i would have excited bought it... enjoyed digesting it for a few weeks .. called it poo and hoped he did better next year ..

now the dissappointment is just constant and does not even give us a break to anticipate another cd even if it is gonnna suck too

the fact is prince has a better shot at releasing a thematic cd than trying to find a hit amongst the drivel

perhaps we would hate the 3rd eye girl less if we judged the project as a whole experiment rather than each song as a potential next hit single that does not even come close

It's a fantasy that performers/artits can "excite" and "thrill" for decades and decades. Even certified geniuses like Beethoven went through periods were they seen as yesterday's news, where they were criticized (justifiably) for their poor manners and lack of fairness and generally treated like has beens.

Prince is one of the few greats that still truly can kill in concert -- just for that, he's fun compared to other icons. His Billboard Award performance was a triumph, a truly magistral moment. Of course, right now we're jaded and we don't see that, but in 20 years, it will be unmistakable.

What makes him extra interesting is that he is a musical divo. While still self-indulgent, he can get down to elemental ground with left-field ideas like TRC, artful revisitation of his classic sounds like Musicology and 3121 and fully reloaded stuff like 3EG.

So he hasn't charted in a long time -- it would be nice if there were new Prince songs everyone seems to know, but he's not playing the industry game much so he's being a divo and making money with his live shows instead of being a fully marketed pop star.

I've played a lot of Mozart, Bach and Beethoven, and if you think they never penned something boring and well beneath their creative peaks, think again.

One day, Prince will probably be back on the charts, but the days where I needed that to validate my passion for his music are long gone.

We're only in it for the music.

I'd almost kill for remasters of the WB material, and I'll always be happy to pick up a copy of a new Prince album, but I'm just too old to be running around the backyard looking under every bush for the latest R&RLA or Screwdriver. There's far too much good music in the world for me to jump through hoops. It's kind of insulting.

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nursev said:

purple1968 said:

nursev said:

Use to be a time where every song or new release made me excited and lawd let's not forget about the pics but now all this 3rdeye shit and random messing with fans is making me think something is wrong with him I mean even a few yrs ago with 20ten was exciting-so what happened to make it this way? Also, all these years of having to search for Prince shit cuz he chooses not to release stuff for his U.S. fans has grown tiresome too. I mean damn I had to pay a good penny just to get 20ten. Fandom should be exciting and joyful not like "oh damn what has Prince done now." Why continue to waste money on litigation against sites, fans, etc. It makes no sense. Why not try to keep the people who have supported u instead of continuously doing things to drive supporters away? I mean let's have a serious, fair discussion if that's possible on the Org

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-----He is putting out some great music and signed to a record company and you people are bitching because Sepan got his hand slapped. Put on your big boy and big pants and move the fuck on. If you are not at the show that means more space for me. Let me know when you find a better artist in today's music world.

EXACTLY

purple1968 said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

The Prince of today seems to be creating a cult of fans. The dialogue between 3rd eye and Serpan was creepy, had the passive-aggressive tones of a Scientologist. If that wasn't Prince speaking he's sure training them well. I will never lose excitement for his 80s output. For that alone I feel indebted to the man. It's been the soundtrack to my life since I was a nipper. I don't hate him or his music now, I'm just totally disinterested. I come here to talk about the stuff I like. I try not to rain on anybody's parade regarding music taste unless they talk pure shite, and are pompous about it.

Funny - I was thinking about this the other day. I guess us old school fans, the ones that were teenagers in the 80s and remember the excitement of new Prince releases I just having trouble handling the Prince of the 21st century.

We know Prince isn't a conformist, never has been. I'm 44 now and I can't be arsed with trawling the net for new snippets/leaks/rehearsals. If I was 14, maybe I would.

In my opinion, it's more of a frustration some of the older fans feel, because they know Prince could drop a top 10 album tomorrow, but at the moment he just doesn't want to.

Someone posted a thread the other day saying Prince was irrelevant and got slated for it. To us, he'lll never be irrelevant because we still visit this forum, but I understand what the poster was trying to say and what robertgeorgeakabob is saying about feeling like he's in some kind of cult.

Hang in there nursev, you've been aroung long enough. I know how you feel. You just want a strong lead single release followed by an album and to see your musical hero back on MTV.

Can't help thinking that aint gonna happen

Prince has been frustrating us for years. Anyone in the UK who had a ticket for the SOTT or Diamonds & Pearls gigs knows what I'm talking about. Both cancelled with days to spare.

But we're still here. What does that tell you ?

brookinz said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

I must say that without any albums being released, it's kind of gone for me as well.

I still get exited about live TV performances, and the Jimmy Fallon show was AMAZING. Billboard show was pretty slammin' too.

But without a new body of work in the form of an album, there's just nothing to get exited about.

The singles are okay, but they're really just throw aways as most singles are.

Frankly, I think that Prince is actually intimidated by the greatness of 'Lotusflow3r', and also the heavy disappointment with his '20ten' plans that fell through. That was likely the catalyst and the point where he made up his mind not to release any more albums.

~G

What I see as part of the problem is the impression he creates that he doesn't believe in his new music himself. After The Rainbow Children, there wasn't a single tour, or even single concert, that supported the new album. Today, there isn't even an album to support. It makes people getting a bit put-off by yet another puffed-up hype as now there is indeed nothing the hype refers to.

And exactly on the occasion where he can establish his new material, you get a vegas-like best-off show. Yes he is a great performer, and I do like some of the older stuff live but at this point the balance (to me) is at the wrong end of the spectrum. The live shows have started to look like cash machines. Montreux 2009 was a nice example on how things could be if he approached things a bit differently.

Something that supports the live show as a money maker is the fact that he hasn't spent or allowed to spend, any effort in revigorating his older albums, live material etc. He got so allergic to the Warner years that even the thought of them making some money out of it makes him bury his heels in the sand. Never mind how awesome it would be to have his legacy updated, added to and placed into context.

We get live streaming but he should realise that most of his fanbase now has jobs and kids and can't be sitting around the pc all night for a hopefull glimpse of Prince live.

Supporting concerts of his backing vocalists? Well they're talented people but as his appearance is not exactly guranteed, who will pay prince ticket prices with a high chance of a no-show and seeing people who will still need to prove their worth as solo-artists.

In a sens there's a lot going on, but it all seems to be in the wrong area.

The quality of new music wavers.

New music is not supported, what enchances the previous point.

The legacy is not cherished unless as a live sing-along for the masses

Marketing, as usual, is just a shot-in-the-dark effort, always one-off and frustrating for a large part of the fan population because the scope is ridiculously narrow for a wordlwide known musician. If you happen to be in the wrong part of the world, you better start a search on ebay for the one-day-newspaper release.

I know it's a "beating a dead horse" moment again, but now more then ever, prince's actions are "much ado about nothing" and he's neglecting his opportunities.

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Giovanni777 said:

I must say that without any albums being released, it's kind of gone for me as well.

I still get exited about live TV performances, and the Jimmy Fallon show was AMAZING. Billboard show was pretty slammin' too.

But without a new body of work in the form of an album, there's just nothing to get exited about.

The singles are okay, but they're really just throw aways as most singles are.

Frankly, I think that Prince is actually intimidated by the greatness of 'Lotusflow3r', and also the heavy disappointment with his '20ten' plans that fell through. That was likely the catalyst and the point where he made up his mind not to release any more albums.

~G

But u could almost see it coming 2 this......................

SoulAlive said:

Who remembers in the 80s,on the night before a new Prince album was released,you weren't able to sleep? You would toss and turn all night,and you couldn't wait to rush to the wrecka stow in the morning

We won't ever experience that again,but I think there a few ways that Prince could create a little excitement amongst his fanbase....

1) Remasters----I know I'm beating a dead horse here (lol),but wouldn't it be great if Prince (with Warner's help) did a kickass remastering of his catalog? I'm talking bonus tracks,outtakes,rare photos,commentary.....the whole 9 yards! His fanbase would be losing their minds!

2) Release new music the right way---No more random "singles" that are thrown out there with no strategy or purpose.Make a kickass album,announce a release date,and follow through with it! Release it everywhere,make it easy to obtain.Get rid of that 3rdEyeGirl band and do an amazing album on your own!!

3) Do something special for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain---The possibilities are endless! A Revolution reunion tour?? A re-release of the movie in theatres? A 2-CD Purple Rain Deluxe Edition/30th Anniversary set?? Or all of the above?! There is absolutely no reason why a career milestone like Purple Rain shouldn't be celebrated in a big way.

I honestly think that the HD Tracks releases are the closest thing to "Remasters" that we will get.

I agree with the rest of ur statement, though.

Graycap23 said:

Giovanni777 said:

I must say that without any albums being released, it's kind of gone for me as well.

I still get exited about live TV performances, and the Jimmy Fallon show was AMAZING. Billboard show was pretty slammin' too.

But without a new body of work in the form of an album, there's just nothing to get exited about.

The singles are okay, but they're really just throw aways as most singles are.

Frankly, I think that Prince is actually intimidated by the greatness of 'Lotusflow3r', and also the heavy disappointment with his '20ten' plans that fell through. That was likely the catalyst and the point where he made up his mind not to release any more albums.

~G

But u could almost see it coming 2 this......................

Oh most definitely. In fact, remember a thread I started a few years back?

This one:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

~G

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Giovanni777 said:

Graycap23 said:

But u could almost see it coming 2 this......................

Oh most definitely. In fact, remember a thread I started a few years back?

This one:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

~G

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[Edited 8/5/13 7:29am]

Yes, the excitement is really over (LOL) Read the Stockholm reviews

http://prince.org/msg/12/...?&pg=2 Reviews by real fans who actually went to the 2.5 hour show.

robertgeorgeakabob said:

brookinz said:

EXACTLY

You pair need to listen to more music.

I cannot most of it sucks ass. Have you read the thread on here about the decline in music sales this year being the worst since Soundscan started in 1991. I am not the only one who does not care for the music of today.

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Like many here I'm too old and have too little free time to scour the net looking for Prince's next online outlet or sitting by my computer all night hoping he shows up at Livestream.

I keep up to date by coming here every day and looking for threads by fans that share what they found by promoting it to the rest of us. Once I have the info I know where to go to buy tracks or listen to streams. When the streams are no longer available I plug the information shared into a search engine and find a bootleg copy.

If it were not for other fans work promoting it, I wouldn't even know what was out there. If it wasn't for other fans capturing and sharing the material, I would never hear it. In other words, I would have nothing to keep me interested in Prince's career. I would be mostly unaware of it.

So thanks to the Prince fans who promote Prince's new stuff and to those that share it!!!

The idea that what they or I am doing is somehow bad and harmful to Prince is simply ludicrous.

In my not-so-humble opinion...

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purple1968 said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

purple1968 said:

I cannot most of it sucks ass. Have you read the thread on here about the decline in music sales this year being the worst since Soundscan started in 1991. I am not the only one who does not care for the music of today.

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How much recent music have you heard though? Good music doesn't need huge sales to endorse it.

I try to listen to recent music all of the time and it is just not a lot of good stuff but I am always open to recommendations

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purple1968 said:

Giovanni777 said:

Oh most definitely. In fact, remember a thread I started a few years back?

This one:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

~G

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[Edited 8/5/13 7:29am]

Yes, the excitement is really over (LOL) Read the Stockholm reviews

http://prince.org/msg/12/...?&pg=2 Reviews by real fans who actually went to the 2.5 hour show.

I have read them, but what does that have to do with releasing albums? Also, I'm supposed to be excited about a concert in Stockholm?

Oh, and U need 2 FixThatLinkUp... It leads to a Chaka Khan interview. Just Sayin'.

Peace.

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SuperSoulFighter said:

^Most of us will agree that he still kicks ass onstage. But how many times does he play in your town (wherever that is)? Last time I saw him was in Holland 2 years ago and no matter how good it was, a concert can't keep you excited for two years. So I understand the "feeling is gone" sentiment, but also the "just listen to something else" sentiment. Anybody here into Ethiopian music?

Wise words found here, for sure.

I've checked out some Ethiopian music, but I really LOVE Ethiopian food. I lived in D.C. for years, and there are three Ethiopian restaurants in Adam's Morgan alone!

I also dated an Ethiopian woman... gorgeous.

SuperSoulFighter said:

^Most of us will agree that he still kicks ass onstage. But how many times does he play in your town (wherever that is)? Last time I saw him was in Holland 2 years ago and no matter how good it was, a concert can't keep you excited for two years. So I understand the "feeling is gone" sentiment, but also the "just listen to something else" sentiment. Anybody here into Ethiopian music?

He hasn't been to Houston, Texas since 2006 and that was just as Tamar's guitar player.

He hasn't played an actual Prince show in the great state of Texas since 2004 (although he got really close to playing at the Dallas Superbowl pre-party, LOL).

Giovanni777 said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

^Most of us will agree that he still kicks ass onstage. But how many times does he play in your town (wherever that is)? Last time I saw him was in Holland 2 years ago and no matter how good it was, a concert can't keep you excited for two years. So I understand the "feeling is gone" sentiment, but also the "just listen to something else" sentiment. Anybody here into Ethiopian music?

Wise words found here, for sure.

I've checked out some Ethiopian music, but I really LOVE Ethiopian food. I lived in D.C. for years, and there are three Ethiopian restaurants in Adam's Morgan alone!

I also dated an Ethiopian woman... gorgeous.

ethopian sounds good!

the woman i mean..ill have to check out the food too!!

it's true, i don't get excited anymore. i have stopped tuning into the 3rdeye live stream stuff, and when i see soemthing new posted i pretty much ignore it for the most part. if he comes back to my area for a concert, i'm not even sure i'd go this time? i've just lost most of my interest in his new music that he's done lately, i don't care for any of it.

I'm now 47 years old. I got on board the Prince Express a while ago, loved Prince with a passion through most of the 80s and 90s, and then... "Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic" was released. It didn't appeal to me at all. And then "The Rainbow Children" landed. And "N.E.W.S." Since then, each new album or song or what have you has left me less and less interested, especially the new 3rd Eye Girl stuff. And I realized that Prince and I weren't seeing eye to eye anymore.

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"The Rainbow Children", in particular, really made me realize that my fanhood was diminishing. Or maybe not that my stance as a fan was waning, but I realized that Prince was going in a direction that didn't appeal to me personally. For a while, that really bummed me out. I was convinced that I needed to keep loving every single thing he put out. But I eventually made peace with the fact that things change. Prince changed. I changed. My life changed. His life changed. Nothing lasts forever. All that stuff.

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I still have gobs and gobs of fantastic music from him that I can listen to whenever I like... studio albums, demos, live shows, you name it. And I'm discovering new bands all the time, so it's not like I'm hurting for entertainment.

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I don't "hate" him or anything like that. We're just no longer on the same page. And yes, it's a little bit sad that I'll probably never again have that electric "new Prince thrill" to look forward to, like the first time I listened to "Sign 'O' The Times" from start to finish. But I *had* it, and that's a great thing to remember.