GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

You can't compare face to face studio work like in 1983-1986 all night jam sessions, to passing a track thru cyberspace from Minni to LA and asking them to put something on it.

But you can "compare" sending tracks back and forth through cyberspace to Wendy and Lisa to the sending of rolls of tape to Wendy and Lisa and "asking them to put something on it."

Very true!

Se7en said:

thebanishedone said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

Yes, of course. Reunions are always popular. But Prince can sell out a 10,000 seat arena all by himself. And it would still be the same songs. Sure, adding The Revolution to the bill would create some attention and sell a few extra tickets, but it wouldn't be that different.

I don't agree that "some" or "a few" would be accurate. I think that for many casual and many die hard Prince fans alike, THIS would be the a tour they'd be willing to pay more money to see. And this would be the tour that the casual or even only marginally interested fans who have never seen him would see if they've never seen him live before.

GuyBros said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

Yes, of course. Reunions are always popular. But Prince can sell out a 10,000 seat arena all by himself. And it would still be the same songs. Sure, adding The Revolution to the bill would create some attention and sell a few extra tickets, but it wouldn't be that different.

I don't agree that "some" or "a few" would be accurate. I think that for many casual and many die hard Prince fans alike, THIS would be the a tour they'd be willing to pay more money to see. And this would be the tour that the casual or even only marginally interested fans who have never seen him would see if they've never seen him live before.

Not sure it would be more profitable for Prince though.

Maybe? But I'm responding to his analysis that it wouldn't be "that different." And I just disagree.

SuperSoulFighter said:

Yes, of course. Reunions are always popular. But Prince can sell out a 10,000 seat arena all by himself. And it would still be the same songs. Sure, adding The Revolution to the bill would create some attention and sell a few extra tickets, but it wouldn't be that different.

it would be totally different.

I suspect he would open song choices and arrangements to them too

paulludvig said:

GuyBros said:

But you can "compare" sending tracks back and forth through cyberspace to Wendy and Lisa to the sending of rolls of tape to Wendy and Lisa and "asking them to put something on it."

Very true!

U know that shit is not true,

he didn't just send a tape, they spent time together, they were in the Warehouse for hours together, they and the rest of the band created together. In his home studio together. Jamming at 1st Avenue etc

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They were in a band together for X sake, the couple of tracks for Planet Earth and how things happened can't be compared to what was happening in 1980-1986 please to simplify it because you have W&L issues. Just be real.

SuperSoulFighter said:

thebanishedone said:

Facts :The Revolution was Prince's best known band.Together they were there for his number one album and number one movie.Many people would pay to see Prince and the Revolution reunion tour.The Revolution were not the best and most polished musicians but they never needed to be.It would be a smart buisness move and maybe they can do a studio album

I don't think so. Regardless of what anyone says, The Revolution were just one of his backup bands. People pay to see Prince, no matter what band he has.

That's not true. You're quoting something said in a book.

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The Revolution and the band formations of that time, were not like the NPG

Most of these people knew Prince before he was famous or moderately known.

I'm not trying to pump it up. But Prince and his band prior to the 'big PR fame' is a lot different from hiring people in 1995 to support Torah Torah and his fight against WB

thebanishedone said:

Facts :The Revolution was Prince's best known band.Together they were there for his number one album and number one movie.Many people would pay to see Prince and the Revolution reunion tour.The Revolution were not the best and most polished musicians but they never needed to be.It would be a smart buisness move and maybe they can do a studio album

The only reason the Revolution band members are the 'most, well-known' band members of all Prince's bands, is because they happen to be the band members who were in the 'Purple Rain' movie, in which that movie contributed to his popularity, as well as the popularity of the Revolution band members, and the members of The Time.

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If Prince ever decides to do a reunion with members of the Revolution, it would be more or less a nostalgia concert for fans who were around during the Purple Rain movie/tour era, as well as new fans, as well as an experience for younger fans who were either too young to see the movie or witness the Purple Rain tour. Then I wonder if a Revolution reunion would somehow 'pigeon-hole' him back into that era, if such a reunion was to take place, and post-Revolution reunion, if fans would have a hard time embracing the next music direction he may want to take thereafter. Wasn't there a recent interview posted here, where he stated he wasn't very happy staying within the Purple Rain era for a long period of time? I wouldn't say the Revolution band members defines Prince's music skills/talent as a musician, because he had that musical gift, long before members of the Revolution were part of his band. The question really is, would he want to do a reunion with the Revolution members, at this point in his career or just continue to move on as he has been doing post-Purple Rain/Revolution era.

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why bother ..just release that roadhouse thing he talked about

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Very true!

U know that shit is not true,

he didn't just send a tape, they spent time together, they were in the Warehouse for hours together, they and the rest of the band created together. In his home studio together. Jamming at 1st Avenue etc

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They were in a band together for X sake, the couple of tracks for Planet Earth and how things happened can't be compared to what was happening in 1980-1986 please to simplify it because you have W&L issues. Just be real.

Most of their contributions that ended up on the official releases came about in the way GuyBros described. That's just a fact.

in theory,it is a good idea: Prince and The Revolution reuniting just in time for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain......a new album,a reunion tour,lots of media attention and tremendous hype...it sounds wonderful.

However....I have a bad feeling that it wouldn't work out as smoothly as we hope.

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

You can't compare face to face studio work like in 1983-1986 all night jam sessions, to passing a track thru cyberspace from Minni to LA and asking them to put something on it.

But you can "compare" sending tracks back and forth through cyberspace to Wendy and Lisa to the sending of rolls of tape to Wendy and Lisa and "asking them to put something on it."

not the same 'Bros'

He didn't send tapes to people who were not in his band across the country

He handed some to them at the the 8hr all night jam rehearsal of Erotic City/Feline at the Warehouse-or wherever it happened with the rest of the band

Or at his house in Minneapolis as the came over to work on some stuff for Sheila E or the Family or the Dream Factory music of the Flesh Sessions etc

Or they just recorded it there together after they worked on some string pieces or other sounds

OldFriends4Sale said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

thebanishedone said: I don't think so. Regardless of what anyone says, The Revolution were just one of his backup bands. People pay to see Prince, no matter what band he has.

That's not true. You're quoting something said in a book.

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The Revolution and the band formations of that time, were not like the NPG

Most of these people knew Prince before he was famous or moderately known.

I'm not trying to pump it up. But Prince and his band prior to the 'big PR fame' is a lot different from hiring people in 1995 to support Torah Torah and his fight against WB

I have to agree with SuperSoulFighter. It seems regardless of which band Prince is working with, even today, most fans actually go to the shows to see Prince perform. Before the full Revolution band, he was already on the radio and making tv appearances, when Dez and others were in the band he worked with at the time. He may not have had the same level of popularity prior to the Purple Rain era, but then you have to factor in that in the Purple Rain movie/rour, it gave him exposure to a 'global, wider and diverse' audience.

Even moviegoers who weren't Prince fans prior to the movie, were amazed at his music talent/skills/dance performance in that movie, which is more than likely what won moviegoers/ans over, including the sexual scenes his character played in the movie. So if some weren't fans prior to the movie, many became fans after seeing the movie. Not to mention, his looks/image helped as well.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

He didn't send tapes to people who were not in his band across the country

He handed some to them at the the 8hr all night jam rehearsal of Erotic City/Feline at the Warehouse-or wherever it happened with the rest of the band

Or at his house in Minneapolis as the came over to work on some stuff for Sheila E or the Family or the Dream Factory music of the Flesh Sessions etc

Or they just recorded it there together after they worked on some string pieces or other sounds

Nope.

Not the same

But they are simliar (if you want a link back to our discussion about a what "comparison is", I'll provide you one via PM).

From what I understand: he had mailed tapes of tracks for Lisa and Wendy to work on when they were in the revolution (Even if he had previously jammed it out with them in person). Or he handed them off to them in person. Either way, he had ideas and told them to work around them and add to them.

Recently, he sent via file-sharing or whatever tracks for them to work on electronically to add to as well.

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This IS similar. Is it the same? Nope.

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But remember, a comparison is not about looking only at 2 things which are alike. It is merely showing how things (even if unrelated) can be alike.

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In this way, they are similar:

1) Bot involved the sharing of songs indirectly (not through a jam).

2) Both involved Lisa and Wendy's input.

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So not only CAN I compare them. I already did

See how that works?

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You can add contrasting elements:

1) They were active members in the band at the time.

2) They had previosuly jammed on the tracks.

But that doesn't mean the comparative (similar observations) are untrue.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Se7en said:

True, he's never worn an afro or produced an all-girl trio. Oh wait . . .

That's not going back! Its moving 4ward. Prince always changes his look & produces females(this time that can actually sing & play instruments),changes band members trio or not. Its called being creative. Purple hater

It's not being a hater it's called having an opinion, someone that doesn't blow smoke up Prince's arse all the live long day is not a hater. I love Prince (as a musician) but do not like everything he's done. Get a life.

This source says it's getting closer to fruition! But Morris isn't having any of it!

http://storiesaboutprince...-band.html

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He didn't send tapes to people who were not in his band across the country

He handed some to them at the the 8hr all night jam rehearsal of Erotic City/Feline at the Warehouse-or wherever it happened with the rest of the band

Or at his house in Minneapolis as the came over to work on some stuff for Sheila E or the Family or the Dream Factory music of the Flesh Sessions etc

Or they just recorded it there together after they worked on some string pieces or other sounds

Nope.

Not the same

But they are simliar (if you want a link back to our discussion about a what "comparison is", I'll provide you one via PM).

From what I understand: he had mailed tapes of tracks for Lisa and Wendy to work on when they were in the revolution (Even if he had previously jammed it out with them in person). Or he handed them off to them in person. Either way, he had ideas and told them to work around them and add to them.

Recently, he sent via file-sharing or whatever tracks for them to work on electronically to add to as well.

.

This IS similar. Is it the same? Nope.

.

But remember, a comparison is not about looking only at 2 things which are alike. It is merely showing how things (even if unrelated) can be alike.

.

In this way, they are similar:

1) Bot involved the sharing of songs indirectly (not through a jam).

2) Both involved Lisa and Wendy's input.

.

So not only CAN I compare them. I already did

See how that works?

.

You can add contrasting elements:

1) They were active members in the band at the time.

2) They had previosuly jammed on the tracks.

But that doesn't mean the comparative (similar observations) are untrue.

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M aaa nnnnnn!!! I'm talking about the full experience.

And its not the same in that with the Planet Earth tracks they were not in his band

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The tapes, he saw them probably every day, and they were in his band

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The experience of 'the magic being or not being there' is connected to the experience.

being in the band from 1980-1986 can't be compared to doing a some pieces on a couple tracks in 2007

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U know that shit is not true,

he didn't just send a tape, they spent time together, they were in the Warehouse for hours together, they and the rest of the band created together. In his home studio together. Jamming at 1st Avenue etc

.

They were in a band together for X sake, the couple of tracks for Planet Earth and how things happened can't be compared to what was happening in 1980-1986 please to simplify it because you have W&L issues. Just be real.

Most of their contributions that ended up on the official releases came about in the way GuyBros described. That's just a fact.

Not true

Most of the music, was fleshed out in studio, in rehearsal and jam sessions that went on all night

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Prince worked out most of the music and those that went 2 proteges with his band

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most of the Purple Rain music was worked out and much of it created with the band such in at the Warehouse.

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Some stuff was done by 'hey take this and see what you can add' he did that with all the band members. He turned things over to Dr Fink & Bobby Z to work out electric and linn pieces. He gave stuff to Eric to do sax stuff, as well as vocal pieces.

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the band wasn't in LA and Prince in Minn as he mailed tapes to them. They were in organic sync with Prince.

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14 min pieces of Computer Blue didn't happen passing tracks thru the mail. 35+ min jamming out Erotic City & Feline, Screams of Passion, Noon Rendezvous, Chocolate etc didn't happen thru non personal discourse

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's not true. You're quoting something said in a book.

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The Revolution and the band formations of that time, were not like the NPG

Most of these people knew Prince before he was famous or moderately known.

I'm not trying to pump it up. But Prince and his band prior to the 'big PR fame' is a lot different from hiring people in 1995 to support Torah Torah and his fight against WB

I have to agree with SuperSoulFighter. It seems regardless of which band Prince is working with, even today, most fans actually go to the shows to see Prince perform. Before the full Revolution band, he was already on the radio and making tv appearances, when Dez and others were in the band he worked with at the time. He may not have had the same level of popularity prior to the Purple Rain era, but then you have to factor in that in the Purple Rain movie/rour, it gave him exposure to a 'global, wider and diverse' audience.

Even moviegoers who weren't Prince fans prior to the movie, were amazed at his music talent/skills/dance performance in that movie, which is more than likely what won moviegoers/ans over, including the sexual scenes his character played in the movie. So if some weren't fans prior to the movie, many became fans after seeing the movie. Not to mention, his looks/image helped as well.

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of course they pay to see Prince, I agree with that

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I was focused on the 'just a backing band' the 1980s band members had a different relationship overall than, who those who came in later did. Many I found were not even fans of Prince, they did it because of his name and to get a possible good pay check.

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Dr Fink and Miko also talked about the band members attitudes toward Prince after Lovesexy.

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Prince has always know the band members were characters and knew in working with their style and image, only would heighten his image. I along with a lot of my other Prince fans/friends/classmates prior to Purple Rain were very familiar with who was in the band.

SoulAlive said:

in theory,it is a good idea: Prince and The Revolution reuniting just in time for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain......a new album,a reunion tour,lots of media attention and tremendous hype...it sounds wonderful.

However....I have a bad feeling that it wouldn't work out as smoothly as we hope.

I say go for it, what else does he have to do.

I still would love to see the Time open for Prince, or him doing some stuff with them

There will be a time, he won't be able to do any of it or most of it

OldFriends4Sale said:

M aaa nnnnnn!!! I'm talking about the full experience.

And its not the same in that with the Planet Earth tracks they were not in his band

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The tapes, he saw them probably every day, and they were in his band

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The experience of 'the magic being or not being there' is connected to the experience.

being in the band from 1980-1986 can't be compared to doing a some pieces on a couple tracks in 2007

That's fine, you can talk about the full experience. I am talking about how those two situations are alike. Because you can reference other things does not mean the observations I have made are false.

It appears that unless two things are exactly alike, you don't think they can be compared. But that is just factually untrue. I can compare a donut to the sport of table top tennis. It doesn't mean that they have to be greatly similar, it just means that observations about things which are similar can be made.

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Re: the tapes-

That is probably untrue. Per interviews with Wendy and Lisa, they would take the tapes back with them or have them mailed to LA while Prince was working in MPLS. Work on them and send them back to him.

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I am not invested in proving that the tracks from 2007 sucked because of the involvement of Wendy and Lisa. I'm not sure you've read my screenname or got the association, but I'm a huge fan of their work and contributions to their own legacy and that of Prince. I probably wouldn't be invested in saying "Hey, they lost that magic in 2007."

And just for the record, I do agree that if the outcomes of their recent... "collaberation" wasn't well recieved, I think part of it may be due to their lack of immediate involvement. Actually being out of his creative element. Prior to this, yes, they seemed to actually have more of a working relationship where it was more involved collaberation. This more recent time seemed more like outsourcing work.

One thing I LOVE is that Prince doesn't go backwards....by the time he's bored and moves on to something else...so am I and glad that (insertwhoeverhere) is gone.

The only person I like to see retuen is Sheila E...something about them never gets old

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GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

M aaa nnnnnn!!! I'm talking about the full experience.

And its not the same in that with the Planet Earth tracks they were not in his band

.

The tapes, he saw them probably every day, and they were in his band

.

The experience of 'the magic being or not being there' is connected to the experience.

being in the band from 1980-1986 can't be compared to doing a some pieces on a couple tracks in 2007

That's fine, you can talk about the full experience. I am talking about how those two situations are alike. Because you can reference other things does not mean the observations I have made are false.

It appears that unless two things are exactly alike, you don't think they can be compared. But that is just factually untrue. I can compare a donut to the sport of table top tennis. It doesn't mean that they have to be greatly similar, it just means that observations about things which are similar can be made.

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Re: the tapes-

That is probably untrue. Per interviews with Wendy and Lisa, they would take the tapes back with them or have them mailed to LA while Prince was working in MPLS. Work on them and send them back to him.

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I am not invested in proving that the tracks from 2007 sucked because of the involvement of Wendy and Lisa. I'm not sure you've read my screenname or got the association, but I'm a huge fan of their work and contributions to their own legacy and that of Prince. I probably wouldn't be invested in saying "Hey, they lost that magic in 2007."

I'm going to leave u with we just have 2 different ideals of what comparison is. And it is what it is.

Peace