in any case,I hope that Prince is planning something special for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain.It would be a shame for him to not celebrate that career milestone in some way.

HonestMan13 said:

GuyBros said:

No... Just... No.

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Stop. Please. At first I thought it was kind of cute. In a board that is filled with so much hate about the Artist, I was thinking, "Look at this guy trying to really give some shine to the man."

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But, to deny the role that individuals had in the Revolution and their contributions to the sound and albums... It's just... no.

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I think Wendy has said it best. He may have been the maestro, but they were the band. And that means more than just a backing band. That means that their individual techniques, influences, all of that helped contribute not just to the aesthetic, but to the creation of the music as well. Specifically, Wendy' and Lisa's contributions during this time period CANNOT be denied.

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They weren't just a band. They inspired, shaped, and contributed to the actual music.

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Done.

I'll give you all of that but let's keep it all in context of Prince's career. The Revoltuion existed in it's most popular form for two albums total and then the larger form for Parade(nobody here is clamoring for that configuration to get reunited. Greg, Wally & Jerome? I'll pass.). Prince has ten times as many releases than that for his whole career. He's had band members last longer than Wendy Melvoin's tenure. They were a good mesh of individuals but not exactly the be all and end all of his career.

actually Parade and Dream factory music was basically the 5 Revolution members with others adding on in pieces. Eric on some & Atlanta Bliss on some.

I don't count the 3 dancers because they weren't on it.

ATWIAD had a lot of guests too, same with Parade. include Claire Fischer and orchestra

Se7en said:

Wendy & Lisa had bit parts on the Planet Earth album, and it didn't help at all. I think the magic was gone.

I would love to see them on stage performing classic material, and even stuff that was put in the Vault from that period, but I don't think I'd like to hear them do new stuff. Then again, I'd most likely buy it hoping to be surprised.

Had nothing to do with the magic being gone. It wasn't about collaborating it was about "here, add something to something I already did." Them adding stuff to songs he was doing back in the 80's is waaaaaaay different than trying to dress up a song like Lion of Judah, my God, WHERE would ANYONE even start with THAT??

Have him check his ego at the door, and have the 3 of them sit down and create something together. THAT would be the masterpiece so many have waited for from Prince.

WonderU said:

Se7en said:

Wendy & Lisa had bit parts on the Planet Earth album, and it didn't help at all. I think the magic was gone.

I would love to see them on stage performing classic material, and even stuff that was put in the Vault from that period, but I don't think I'd like to hear them do new stuff. Then again, I'd most likely buy it hoping to be surprised.

Had nothing to do with the magic being gone. It wasn't about collaborating it was about "here, add something to something I already did." Them adding stuff to songs he was doing back in the 80's is waaaaaaay different than trying to dress up a song like Lion of Judah, my God, WHERE would ANYONE even start with THAT??

Have him check his ego at the door, and have the 3 of them sit down and create something together. THAT would be the masterpiece so many have waited for from Prince.

That Masterpiece is not going to happen. WHy? because Wendy and Lisa are not and never have been great songwriters. Prince is past his peak and will never match his best albums again. Only deluded wendy and lisa fans believe otherwise.

hhhhdmt said:

WonderU said:

Had nothing to do with the magic being gone. It wasn't about collaborating it was about "here, add something to something I already did." Them adding stuff to songs he was doing back in the 80's is waaaaaaay different than trying to dress up a song like Lion of Judah, my God, WHERE would ANYONE even start with THAT??

Have him check his ego at the door, and have the 3 of them sit down and create something together. THAT would be the masterpiece so many have waited for from Prince.

That Masterpiece is not going to happen. WHy? because Wendy and Lisa are not and never have been great songwriters. Prince is past his peak and will never match his best albums again. Only deluded wendy and lisa fans believe otherwise.

As tempting as that bait is, I'll pass, nice try though.

WonderU said:

hhhhdmt said:

That Masterpiece is not going to happen. WHy? because Wendy and Lisa are not and never have been great songwriters. Prince is past his peak and will never match his best albums again. Only deluded wendy and lisa fans believe otherwise.

As tempting as that bait is, I'll pass, nice try though.

you will pass because everything i said is 100 percent true. Wendy and Lisa are not great songwriters, never have been and never will be.

hhhhdmt said:

WonderU said:

As tempting as that bait is, I'll pass, nice try though.

you will pass because everything i said is 100 percent true. Wendy and Lisa are not great songwriters, never have been and never will be.

Oddly the reason you're here, Prince himself loves their songwriting so you really have no point Has he turned songs over to any other band members as much as he did them? Um...no. It's ok that their skills are lost on you, really it is.

WonderU said:

hhhhdmt said:

you will pass because everything i said is 100 percent true. Wendy and Lisa are not great songwriters, never have been and never will be.

Oddly the reason you're here, Prince himself loves their songwriting so you really have no point Has he turned songs over to any other band members as much as he did them? Um...no. It's ok that their skills are lost on you, really it is.

Isn't there a difference between writing a song and adding to a song written by someone else?

paulludvig said:

WonderU said:

Oddly the reason you're here, Prince himself loves their songwriting so you really have no point Has he turned songs over to any other band members as much as he did them? Um...no. It's ok that their skills are lost on you, really it is.

Isn't there a difference between writing a song and adding to a song written by someone else?

That depends on the amount of what that was added to which.

paulludvig said:

WonderU said:

Oddly the reason you're here, Prince himself loves their songwriting so you really have no point Has he turned songs over to any other band members as much as he did them? Um...no. It's ok that their skills are lost on you, really it is.

Isn't there a difference between writing a song and adding to a song written by someone else?

Lisa wrote the music for Power Fantastic and they both did Sometimes it Snows in April, do you see that credit anywhere in ANY liner notes?

SoulAlive said:

in any case,I hope that Prince is planning something special for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain.It would be a shame for him to not celebrate that career milestone in some way.

I wouldn't really want to see a reunion of sorts, but I do agree that this should be celebrated. It was his most popular album along with an ass-kicking movie. I would love to see it celebrated somehow, but I have a feeling he will let us down.

WonderU said:

paulludvig said:

Isn't there a difference between writing a song and adding to a song written by someone else?

Lisa wrote the music for Power Fantastic and they both did Sometimes it Snows in April, do you see that credit anywhere in ANY liner notes?

Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a secret.

By the way, those songs are two of the very few instances where songs Prince and W&L worked on and recorded together ended up on official releases. Other contribution by W&L to officially released material usually came about by sending rolls of tape back and forth between Prince in Minneapolis and W&L i LA (for example the strings added to Raspberry Beret). And even those cases are relatively few and far between.

The method used for recording Planet Earth was very similiar to the method used in the 80's, albeit using new technology.

m13los said:

Anybody think the old gang will get back together again and record new material? Or possibly even tour again? How great would that be??????

TBDH, I've gave up on that dream about a Prince & The Revolution reunion album AND tour 3+ years ago.

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It's never going to happen.

Empress said:

SoulAlive said:

in any case,I hope that Prince is planning something special for the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain.It would be a shame for him to not celebrate that career milestone in some way.

I wouldn't really want to see a reunion of sorts, but I do agree that this should be celebrated. It was his most popular album along with an ass-kicking movie. I would love to see it celebrated somehow, but I have a feeling he will let us down.

at the very least,he should release some kind of 2-CD deluxe edition/remaster of the album wishful thinking,I know,lol

your only hope might be to keep mentioning all the $$$ that OTHER people will make with his vault stuff AFTER hes gone...

imago said:

I have to conclude that W&L have stopped taking hard drugs

and probably only dabble in occasional gateway drugs like

smoking joints, while Prince obviously has tried to hold

on to his youth by still consuming heroin, which keeps

him thinner, and acid which aids his creativity. Either way

I'm not sure the crackhouse that is Paisley park would be

a good environment for Wendy and Lisa these days.

WonderU said:

Have him check his ego at the door, and have the 3 of them sit down and create something together. THAT would be the masterpiece so many have waited for from Prince.

And that right there is precisely why I wouldn't imagine it would happen.

In my opinion, the fact that people would agree that the "magic" would happen in that instance... that fact would make this prospect disinteresting from Prince's perspective. If it's true that part of the reason he fired them was concern that he wanted to be able to show the world and others that he didn't need them (IF it's true), then the idea that the collaberation would be necessary to create that masterpiece would be off-putting.

But again, I don't know if the above is true, and this is merely an opinion.

WonderU said:

hhhhdmt said:

That Masterpiece is not going to happen. WHy? because Wendy and Lisa are not and never have been great songwriters. Prince is past his peak and will never match his best albums again. Only deluded wendy and lisa fans believe otherwise.

As tempting as that bait is, I'll pass, nice try though.

Agreed!

Sadly, it looks like the reunion is a no-go:

http://storiesaboutprince...-back.html

Vannormal said:

I wish Prince should be bankrupt SOON. That'll make him grab so fast for that much longing Purple Rain (remastered) re-release / 30 year anniversary next year, we've all been waiting for for so long. With extra DVD, he'll even 3D, etc.

RodeoSchro said:

Sadly, it looks like the reunion is a no-go:

http://storiesaboutprince...-back.html

I could read that bog all day.

This post has been up here for a while. And was inactive and getting buried for at least 2 days before you bumped it by rolling your eyes at it. Just sayin.

paulludvig said:

WonderU said:

Lisa wrote the music for Power Fantastic and they both did Sometimes it Snows in April, do you see that credit anywhere in ANY liner notes?

Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a secret.

By the way, those songs are two of the very few instances where songs Prince and W&L worked on and recorded together ended up on official releases. Other contribution by W&L to officially released material usually came about by sending rolls of tape back and forth between Prince in Minneapolis and W&L i LA (for example the strings added to Raspberry Beret). And even those cases are relatively few and far between.

The method used for recording Planet Earth was very similiar to the method used in the 80's, albeit using new technology.

Cut that shit out, from 1980 - 1986 Lisa Coleman worked closely with Prince not from LA - Minni. She lived with him for a period of time. the Revolution members lived In Minniapolis. LA just had a studio Prince and the band used at times.

You make it seem like there was a lot of down time from 1983-1986, there was no way Lisa & Wendy were sitting in LA all that time, and Prince somewhere else, with all that happened. They were in rehearsal or performing most of the time, there are only instances of sending tapes. And Prince was in LA a lot to recording. It was 1983-1986 do you know how long sending music back in forth like that would be? Very different from sending a Planet Earth piece by cyberspace.

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You must not know general Prince history during that time, or there is no way you would be able to say that.

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Everybody from Susan Rogers, Allan Leeds, Eric Leeds, Bobby Z & Dr Fink noted how much they worked with Prince and the amount of creativity that result

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Well, I wouldn't exactly call it a secret.

By the way, those songs are two of the very few instances where songs Prince and W&L worked on and recorded together ended up on official releases. Other contribution by W&L to officially released material usually came about by sending rolls of tape back and forth between Prince in Minneapolis and W&L i LA (for example the strings added to Raspberry Beret). And even those cases are relatively few and far between.

The method used for recording Planet Earth was very similiar to the method used in the 80's, albeit using new technology.

Cut that shit out, from 1980 - 1986 Lisa Coleman worked closely with Prince not from LA - Minni. She lived with him for a period of time. the Revolution members lived In Minniapolis. LA just had a studio Prince and the band used at times.

You make it seem like there was a lot of down time from 1983-1986, there was no way Lisa & Wendy were sitting in LA all that time, and Prince somewhere else, with all that happened. They were in rehearsal or performing most of the time, there are only instances of sending tapes. And Prince was in LA a lot to recording. It was 1983-1986 do you know how long sending music back in forth like that would be? Very different from sending a Planet Earth piece by cyberspace.

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You must not know general Prince history during that time, or there is no way you would be able to say that.

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Everybody from Susan Rogers, Allan Leeds, Eric Leeds, Bobby Z & Dr Fink noted how much they worked with Prince and the amount of creativity that result

That is besides the point. Its revolution fans that are acting as if the great wendy and lisa were responsible for the majority of the songs that Prince wrote during that time period. They were not

Just because they were "there" does not mean they should be credited for songs that they had nothing to do with.

Bringing them back isn't going to bring back Prince's peak. Its wishful thinking.

hhhhdmt said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Cut that shit out, from 1980 - 1986 Lisa Coleman worked closely with Prince not from LA - Minni. She lived with him for a period of time. the Revolution members lived In Minniapolis. LA just had a studio Prince and the band used at times.

You make it seem like there was a lot of down time from 1983-1986, there was no way Lisa & Wendy were sitting in LA all that time, and Prince somewhere else, with all that happened. They were in rehearsal or performing most of the time, there are only instances of sending tapes. And Prince was in LA a lot to recording. It was 1983-1986 do you know how long sending music back in forth like that would be? Very different from sending a Planet Earth piece by cyberspace.

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You must not know general Prince history during that time, or there is no way you would be able to say that.

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Everybody from Susan Rogers, Allan Leeds, Eric Leeds, Bobby Z & Dr Fink noted how much they worked with Prince and the amount of creativity that result

That is besides the point. Its revolution fans that are acting as if the great wendy and lisa were responsible for the majority of the songs that Prince wrote during that time period. They were not

Just because they were "there" does not mean they should be credited for songs that they had nothing to do with.

Bringing them back isn't going to bring back Prince's peak. Its wishful thinking.

respectfully Your post has nothing to do with my reply,

I'm not talking about other fans

You can't reply to me saying 'that's beside the point' when I bolded the point I wanted to address.

This that Paul brought in came from another thread about W&L + Prince sending music back in forth during the Planet Earth songs 2007

I specifically replied to only the bolded part,

I'm against people making them or anyone bigger than what they were

but also going out of their way to deminish what they were with Prince

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Again we are fans,

but when people in the inner circles understand that that was a special relationship

from Alan Leeds, Eric Leeds, Dr Fink etc then there is some weight there.

And when Prince writes a song of remorse, something not heard often, about their personal and musical relationship almost 10 years later, it probably carries weight.

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Lisa & Wendy were not sitting in LA while Prince was everywhere else snail mailing or next daying tapes to them to add something to...

OldFriends4Sale said:

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Lisa & Wendy were not sitting in LA while Prince was everywhere else snail mailing or next daying tapes to them to add something to...

Even if this type of exchange only happened once, it happened. Just sayin.

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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Lisa & Wendy were not sitting in LA while Prince was everywhere else snail mailing or next daying tapes to them to add something to...

Even if this type of exchange only happened once, it happened. Just sayin.

I'm not saying it never did either.

But it would be a rare thing because of the

reality of the happenings of 1983-1986

You guys are just gonna have to pick your favorite outtakes from that period (1984-86) and compile your own Prince and the Revolution album that'll have to do as a "new" album from them,lol