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Reply #150 posted 05/15/13 12:13pm

lwr001

OldFriends4Sale said:

wasn't Kiran Sharma his manager during that LotusFlow3r period

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She handles his bookings along with all his friends bookings, Misty, King, Lewis Hamilton etd

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Reply #151 posted 05/15/13 12:14pm

purple1968

SuperSoulFighter said:

Thanx 4 posting the Dylan piece, OldFriend, I remember the Neal Karlen interview and I guess this is all Prince has to say about Bob, but here at least he shows his respect. And if there's one thing Prince & Dylan have in common, it's that you can't pin them down.

He was not disrespecting him the first place. He just did not model his carreer after him.

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Reply #152 posted 05/15/13 12:15pm

OldFriends4Sal
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2elijah said:

paulludvig said:

I think Prince is going for the "white" demographics again. That's why we get a rock tour, and it's also the reason he's emphasising the importance of crossover success in his interview. In that light it's a mistake to criticise Dylan, who is a hero to most self styled intellectual, middle class white people (as some of the responses to this thread show)

Yes, it does seem that is the target audience he is trying to attract with his 'rock' venture right now, but it kind of also plays into the stereotype, that Blacks don't listen to rock music, even though many do. I guess if we went by statistics, it may very well show that more White audiences listen to rock than Black audiences though. So I expect his audiences with this new group, will be more White audience, and younger fans with the rock music, than the more-diverse audience he's had in the past. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what the plan is.

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

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from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

*

I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

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Reply #153 posted 05/15/13 12:17pm

lwr001

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Yes, it does seem that is the target audience he is trying to attract with his 'rock' venture right now, but it kind of also plays into the stereotype, that Blacks don't listen to rock music, even though many do. I guess if we went by statistics, it may very well show that more White audiences listen to rock than Black audiences though. So I expect his audiences with this new group, will be more White audience, and younger fans with the rock music, than the more-diverse audience he's had in the past. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what the plan is.

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

*

from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

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I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

Prince was never really a traditional black artist. He has always been a rocker to me. My friends who like Prince also like guitar..

[Edited 5/15/13 12:17pm]

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Reply #154 posted 05/15/13 12:17pm

2elijah

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Well, actually, many Blacks knew who Bob Dylan was, because depending on where you lived at the time, there wasn't that many 'Black radio stations', so many Blacks were pretty much familiar with mainly hearing maintream music from White musicians/artists on radio stations, that played mostly music from White musicians/artists. That may be surprising to some, but many Blacks were certainly familiar with the music of the the Beatles, Janis Joplin, Beach Boys, Simon & Garfunkel, the Righteous Brothers, Bob Dylan, and so many other White musicians.

Although, I agree, Dylan did not have a major crossover into the Black community, as a whole, with his music, but his name was familiar to some within the Black community, althhough, it didn't necessarily mean many Black Americans were buying Dylan's music.

I believe most Blacks in the mid 60s early 70s were more into Motown and soul ballads of Black male/female groups, but yes, I just remember Dylan as being among many, socially-conscious musicians, who sang songs in relation to social issues, like Joan Baez, Ritchie Havens, and others, that's just about it.

[Edited 5/15/13 8:51am]

Good information

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I know that people catagorize artists as Black or white, but Dylan as a Folk artist, in my opinion fell into a different catagory, there were also many 'black' folk artists that didn't or wouldn't have that 'crossover' affect either.

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Tracey Chapman is considered a Folk artist, and I doubt anyone will say she is predominately listened to by 'black' americans. She had that 1 period of 'crossover' appeal in the 1980s with her song:Fast Car.

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If we go by Dylans most active time period, Black americans should be very knowledgable about him. Many of his songs directly speak to situations events and people connected to 'Black Americans'

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He's someone who heard Dr Martin Luther Kings speach on Washington and performed there, and lives to see a African-American president and sings for him too

Yes, there was Ritchie Havens too. That's why I mentioned Dylan singing songs that were about raising social-consciousness and spoke of 'The Signs of the Times' (Oops..no pun intended...lol), when the Vietnam War and Civil rights/post-Civil rights eras were going on. Joan Baez was another artist/as well asl Simon & Garfunkel, and others, and the only way I would have known of those artists, is because they were visible during those trying times, and I heard their songs constantly on radio stations that played more White musicians/artists' music, but they did play much of Stevie Wonder, Jackson 5 as well, because I think people are fogetting that Stevie Wonder was a major force in singing politically and soically-conscious songs, so he's another artist that should be inclusive in the way of being a 'crossover' artist. (Off-topic for a min: Speaking of music from Stevie's era, in a couple of hours I am going to see 'Motown the Musical' on Broadway tonight, with my 2 younger nieces and my sister. I love that young people appreciate and respect music from the Motown era)

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Reply #155 posted 05/15/13 12:21pm

OldFriends4Sal
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purple1968 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U mean like the 'brotha' that robbed Rosa Parks, even after he recognized who she was?

What does that have to do with Prince, me or millions of other black people? For the record I would bet that brother got his ass kicked in jail. Picking on old people and children usually get you a butt whipping in jail.

(off topic)

In the black community we respect our elders.

broad statements like that ^ have too many holes.

I mean I like it, and wish overall it were true, but people are too diverse

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Is there really 1 black community that adheres to the same values beliefs religion and standards?

42 million

The number of people who identified as black, either alone or in combination with one or more other races, in the 2010 Census. They made up 13.6 percent of the total U.S. population. The black population grew by 15.4 percent from 2000 to 2010.



3.3 million in NY state alone and you think that line define all ?

Elder abuse is big issue, as well as them being targets of easy crimes

On August 30, 1994, 81-year-old civil rights icon Rosa Parks was alone in her Detroit apartment when a 28-year-old drug addict named Joseph Skipper broke in to her home with burglary on his mind. Skipper (pictured here in a mug shot), a career criminal, did not know whose home he was in. Only after getting a good look at her did he realize who she was. Skipper even asked Parks if she was alright. Nevertheless, he continued with the burglary. On his way out the door, Skipper struck Parks in the face and fled with $53. He was later arrested, convicted and sentenced to eight to 15 years in the hoosegow for breaking and entering into Parks' and other local homes. Parks, shaken by the ordeal, moved shortly thereafter to a high-security apartment building where she lived until her death in 2005. Predictably, the incident caused widespread outrage throughout the United States--especially in the black community where Skipper was vilified for violating a champion of equality. While imprisoned, Skipper shamefully stated to a reporter, "I'll go down in history for being the man who robbed Rosa Parks." Shortly after his release from prison in 2009, Skipper, far from reformed, was caught during a break-and-enter at a Livonia, MI church rectory. Skipper openly told the arresting officers, "Do you remember when Rosa Parks was beat up? I did that. I just got out of prison."

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Reply #156 posted 05/15/13 12:23pm

wasitgood4u

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1. Dylan - Hendrix' Dylan covers are awesome and P would've known those at least (Superbowl, anyone). How do his comments on Dylan correlate with the props (idolizing?) he gives to Joni Mitchell? Did she crossover? Unfortunately, that makes it look like this is a "who's MPLS' no. 1 musical son?", thing.

2. That pizza business made me visualize that Seinfeld episode where George starts a trend of eating candy bars with cutlery (with P as George, or actually, Elaine's boss): http://youtu.be/UxB-H6f3crY
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
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Reply #157 posted 05/15/13 12:31pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Good information

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I know that people catagorize artists as Black or white, but Dylan as a Folk artist, in my opinion fell into a different catagory, there were also many 'black' folk artists that didn't or wouldn't have that 'crossover' affect either.

*

Tracey Chapman is considered a Folk artist, and I doubt anyone will say she is predominately listened to by 'black' americans. She had that 1 period of 'crossover' appeal in the 1980s with her song:Fast Car.

*

If we go by Dylans most active time period, Black americans should be very knowledgable about him. Many of his songs directly speak to situations events and people connected to 'Black Americans'

*

He's someone who heard Dr Martin Luther Kings speach on Washington and performed there, and lives to see a African-American president and sings for him too

Yes, there was Ritchie Havens too. That's why I mentioned Dylan singing songs that were about raising social-consciousness and spoke of 'The Signs of the Times' (Oops..no pun intended...lol), when the Vietnam War and Civil rights/post-Civil rights eras were going on. Joan Baez was another artist/as well asl Simon & Garfunkel, and others, and the only way I would have known of those artists, is because they were visible during those trying times, and I heard their songs constantly on radio stations that played more White musicians/artists' music, but they did play much of Stevie Wonder, Jackson 5 as well, because I think people are fogetting that Stevie Wonder was a major force in singing politically and soically-conscious songs, so he's another artist that should be inclusive in the way of being a 'crossover' artist. (Off-topic for a min: Speaking of music from Stevie's era, in a couple of hours I am going to see 'Motown the Musical' on Broadway tonight, with my 2 younger nieces and my sister. I love that young people appreciate and respect music from the Motown era)

Yep, more good info,

that is a great time musically for other to be informed on.

*

I was thinking about Stevie Wonder as well, he was very much involved in the revolutionary times of the 60s, he was also one that performed at Woodstock. I totally agree Stevie has for a long time had a mainstream audience. And Marvin Gaye in the 70s

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(Off-topic:I've read about that musical. Do a thread on it, would love to hear your experience, I thought about getting there myself)

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Reply #158 posted 05/15/13 12:34pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

The Jon Bream innerview along with prince 's new strip down 3rd eye Girl tour will both b a Princeca

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eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #159 posted 05/15/13 12:39pm

OldFriends4Sal
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lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

*

from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

*

I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

Prince was never really a traditional black artist. He has always been a rocker to me. My friends who like Prince also like guitar..

I agree, A lot of black fans I know loved Prince the rock god, And again the place Dez comes from, helped turn out those shows and took it rock

*

The face(not literally) never match the labels people tried to put on him.

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Singing in his regular voice, Prince sells himself to Warner Bros. Records as the lyrics "Making music naturally, me and WB" indicate. Ironically, 20 years later, is now free from any contract with Warner Bros. It's likely he recorded this outtake after signing a contract for his first 3 albums in June, 1977.

But before making his final decision, Prince voiced an important concern directly to Warner Bros. officials:He didn't want to be pigeonholed as an R&B artist. "I'm an artist and I do a wide range of music," Prince insisted. "I'm not an R&B artist, I'm not a rock n roller. At a time when most labels, including Warners, had seperate "black music" departments, Prince dreaded the idea of limiting his appeal in any respect.

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Reply #160 posted 05/15/13 12:41pm

GoldenParachut
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OldFriends4Sale said:

wasn't Kiran Sharma his manager during that LotusFlow3r period

.

Yes but thats until he started banging her, according to rumors. Its easy to see how things could get complicated. lol I read Kiran was a ultra Prince fan like Manuela any how. Its no surprise since its not the first second or third time Prince has banged his managers/assistants/etc. I wouldn't be surprised if his young 22 year old manager is next.

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Reply #161 posted 05/15/13 12:56pm

lwr001

John Bream just stated that "the arrogance that Prince had and his orginization had have disappeared" Also, that the 22yr old has very good instincts..

[Edited 5/15/13 12:59pm]

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Reply #162 posted 05/15/13 1:01pm

OldFriends4Sal
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purple1968 said:

2elijah said:

Well, actually, many Blacks knew who Bob Dylan was, because depending on where you lived at the time, there wasn't that many 'Black radio stations', so many Blacks were pretty much familiar with mainly hearing maintream music from White musicians/artists on radio stations, that played mostly music from White musicians/artists. That may be surprising to some, but many Blacks were certainly familiar with the music of the the Beatles, Janis Joplin, Beach Boys, Simon & Garfunkel, the Righteous Brothers, Bob Dylan, and so many other White musicians.

Although, I agree, Dylan did not have a major crossover into the Black community, as a whole, with his music, but his name was familiar to some within the Black community, althhough, it didn't necessarily mean many Black Americans were buying Dylan's music.

I believe most Blacks in the mid 60s early 70s were more into Motown and soul ballads of Black male/female groups, but yes, I just remember Dylan as being among many, socially-conscious musicians, who sang songs in relation to social issues, like Joan Baez, Ritchie Havens, and others, that's just about it.

[Edited 5/15/13 8:51am]

--------- Well after a long drawn out response I guess you will admit that Bob Dylan did not put any songs on the RnB chart in his entire carreer.

Outside of musicians do you really think that Bob Dylan was that familar to the masses of Black Americans in the 60s or even now?

I do not know where you live but in my part of the country there is and were plenty of black radio stations and I can guarantee you they were not playing Bob Dylan then or now.

I know how much many of you want P to be wrong about everything but he is not wrong on this topic. He simply based his crossover success on Sly Stone you can even look up Alan Leeds discussing how P has studied lots of artist to chart his path.

Sly would have been one of those artist not Bob Dylan.

we posted some very educational info on Dylan that will contradict a lot of what you've said

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Reply #163 posted 05/15/13 1:04pm

serpan99

Just listened 2 Jon Bream on WCCO, he kept repeating how relaxed and excited Prince is about 3rdeyegirl. Jon got an email monday at 3pm if he could show up in Denver 4 the show and 2 talk 2 the band and Prince same nite. Which he did from 4am-6:20am in a very relaxed mood they talked about various things. More coming up in part 2 of the interview sunday may 19th...

Oh...it was Julia Ramadan who picked The Myth as the venue 4 the MPLS concerts may 25th...

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U can listen 2 the interview here:

arrow http://minnesota.cbslocal...ks-prince/

fro

[Edited 5/15/13 22:21pm]

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Reply #164 posted 05/15/13 1:11pm

2elijah

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Yes, there was Ritchie Havens too. That's why I mentioned Dylan singing songs that were about raising social-consciousness and spoke of 'The Signs of the Times' (Oops..no pun intended...lol), when the Vietnam War and Civil rights/post-Civil rights eras were going on. Joan Baez was another artist/as well asl Simon & Garfunkel, and others, and the only way I would have known of those artists, is because they were visible during those trying times, and I heard their songs constantly on radio stations that played more White musicians/artists' music, but they did play much of Stevie Wonder, Jackson 5 as well, because I think people are fogetting that Stevie Wonder was a major force in singing politically and soically-conscious songs, so he's another artist that should be inclusive in the way of being a 'crossover' artist. (Off-topic for a min: Speaking of music from Stevie's era, in a couple of hours I am going to see 'Motown the Musical' on Broadway tonight, with my 2 younger nieces and my sister. I love that young people appreciate and respect music from the Motown era)

Yep, more good info,

that is a great time musically for other to be informed on.

*

I was thinking about Stevie Wonder as well, he was very much involved in the revolutionary times of the 60s, he was also one that performed at Woodstock. I totally agree Stevie has for a long time had a mainstream audience. And Marvin Gaye in the 70s

*

(Off-topic:I've read about that musical. Do a thread on it, would love to hear your experience, I thought about getting there myself)

lol Not sure if I'll do a thread on it, but I'm sure I'll be singing along to familiar songs that I loved from that era! dancing jig music

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Reply #165 posted 05/15/13 1:25pm

2elijah

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Yes, it does seem that is the target audience he is trying to attract with his 'rock' venture right now, but it kind of also plays into the stereotype, that Blacks don't listen to rock music, even though many do. I guess if we went by statistics, it may very well show that more White audiences listen to rock than Black audiences though. So I expect his audiences with this new group, will be more White audience, and younger fans with the rock music, than the more-diverse audience he's had in the past. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what the plan is.

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

*

from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

*

I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

(Bolded part) That is true.

I don't think he will lose all his Black audience, but I don't think as many will gravitate towards the new band, not that he has to care, but it will depend on the music output of this 3rdeyegirl band. I do think he will gain more White fans, and younger fans as well. I say that because if rock will be the main focus, that's what it will attract.

Truth be told, it's always been surprising to me that many people don't know how many blacks were into the music output of White musicians during the 60s/70s,especially those with a soulful flavor, and even the late 70s/early 80s, especially when the British invasion.... invaded...

The Beatles ( Very popular, catch and beautiful, meaningful songs)

and many more.

3 Dog Night (Very soulful music)

Joe Cocker (Very raw, natural, soulful voice)

Janis Joplin (Down to earth, raw, soulful, chiliing voice)

Teena Marie (Enough said...)

Michael McDonald (Very, deep soulful voice)

Carlos Santana (Although he is Mexican, he gave us some great, latin, rock-soul)

Weather Report - Band of great, musicians from various backgrounds

Then...

Blondie

The BeeGees

Tears for Fears

This is just to name a few, but I find no one really talks about that.

[Edited 5/15/13 21:22pm]

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Reply #166 posted 05/15/13 1:36pm

lwr001

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

*

from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

*

I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

(Bolded part) That is true.

I don't think he will lose all his Black audience, but I don't think as many will gravitate towards the new band, not that he has to care, but it will depend on the music output of this 3rdeyegirl band. I do think he will gain more White fans, and younger fans as well. I say that because if rock will be the main focus, that's what it will attract.

Truth be told, it's always been surprising to me that many people don't know how many blacks were into the music output of White musicians during the 60s/70s,especially those with a soulful flavor, and even the late 70s/early 80s, especially when the British invasion.... invaded...

The Beatles ( Very popular, catch and beautiful, meaningful songs)

and many more.

3 Dog Night (Very soulful music)

Joe Cocker (Very raw, natural, soulful voice)

Janis Joplin (Down to earth, raw, soulful, chiliing voice)

Tina Marie (Enough said...)

Michael McDonald (Very, deep soulful voice)

Carlos Santana (Although he is Mexican, he gave us some great, latin, rock-soul)

Weather Report - Band of great, musicians from various backgrounds

Then...

Blondie

The BeeGees

Tears for Fears

This is just to name a few, but I find no one really talks about that.

[Edited 5/15/13 13:27pm]

That throws everyones Lisa, Wendy, Bobby Z , Dr Fink argument out the window. Why would he lose his black audience.. At this stage he is an Icon in the black community; they aren't going anywhere. He can give them "the Breakdown" and all will be well.

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Reply #167 posted 05/15/13 1:37pm

lwr001

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

*

from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

*

I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

(Bolded part) That is true.

I don't think he will lose all his Black audience, but I don't think as many will gravitate towards the new band, not that he has to care, but it will depend on the music output of this 3rdeyegirl band. I do think he will gain more White fans, and younger fans as well. I say that because if rock will be the main focus, that's what it will attract.

Truth be told, it's always been surprising to me that many people don't know how many blacks were into the music output of White musicians during the 60s/70s,especially those with a soulful flavor, and even the late 70s/early 80s, especially when the British invasion.... invaded...

The Beatles ( Very popular, catch and beautiful, meaningful songs)

and many more.

3 Dog Night (Very soulful music)

Joe Cocker (Very raw, natural, soulful voice)

Janis Joplin (Down to earth, raw, soulful, chiliing voice)

Tina Marie (Enough said...)

Michael McDonald (Very, deep soulful voice)

Carlos Santana (Although he is Mexican, he gave us some great, latin, rock-soul)

Weather Report - Band of great, musicians from various backgrounds

Then...

Blondie

The BeeGees

Tears for Fears

This is just to name a few, but I find no one really talks about that.

[Edited 5/15/13 13:27pm]

Grew up in cleveland, Sara Smile was broken by r&b dj Lynn Tolliver. Made it a hot on black radio before the song took off

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Reply #168 posted 05/15/13 1:47pm

2elijah

lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It's all crazy, because I thought the largest consumers of 'Hip Hop/Rap' where white as well

*

from 1979-1985 his live shows even moreso had a more amped up rock venture (Dez Dickerson being a rock in roller himself) and there were just as many blacks as white loving Prince. I agree, it's a stereotype.

*

I think Prince fans will love the shows overall no matter what. I doubt the 'black' audience will fall off

Prince was never really a traditional black artist. He has always been a rocker to me. My friends who like Prince also like guitar..

[Edited 5/15/13 12:17pm]

It's not that he is or was a 'traditional black artist' because what is a traditional black artist exactly? He's a musician. I think often times we base musicians/artists music expectations based on their race. I am at fault at times, with that too.

It's like expecting Black musicians to only know or be expected to know one form of music, as though nrck is not something familiar to many Black musicians or they are not 'expected' fo play it, when the fact is...r&b is the birthmother of 'rock' and 'roll.' I gather that when Prince sang 'Don't Play Me' it seems to be a message to those with that type of belief, that Black musicians don't play rock or they don't expect a Black musician to be familiar or have knowledge of 'rock' music. All one has to do is educate themselves on rock music, and they'll know.

I just think it's sad when some people assume 'rock' music has some sort of elite status in comparison to 'r&b/funk/soul', when rock is the birthchild of r&b.

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Reply #169 posted 05/15/13 1:47pm

purple1968

OldFriends4Sale said:

purple1968 said:

--------- Well after a long drawn out response I guess you will admit that Bob Dylan did not put any songs on the RnB chart in his entire carreer.

Outside of musicians do you really think that Bob Dylan was that familar to the masses of Black Americans in the 60s or even now?

I do not know where you live but in my part of the country there is and were plenty of black radio stations and I can guarantee you they were not playing Bob Dylan then or now.

I know how much many of you want P to be wrong about everything but he is not wrong on this topic. He simply based his crossover success on Sly Stone you can even look up Alan Leeds discussing how P has studied lots of artist to chart his path.

Sly would have been one of those artist not Bob Dylan.

we posted some very educational info on Dylan that will contradict a lot of what you've said

- No nothing you posted contradicts anything. Because Bob Dylan performed at Civil Rights funtions does not mean the masses of African Americans from the 60s to today are digging his music and he is not a crossover artist by any means. Do African Americans know his songs via Stevie Wonder , Motown and other black artist who covered his tunes yes because the know the tunes by those artist.

Not because Bob Dylan was being played on black radio and putting his music directly on the black charts.

What really kills me is the implecation that P is dissing Bob. He is not he just did not get his idea to be crossover artist from Bob and even if he does not dig Bob that would be his right to have an opinion.

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Reply #170 posted 05/15/13 1:53pm

kangafunk

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For fuck same, some of you are obviously unfamiliar with the term "tongue in cheek". Seriously, some of you getting so emotional about a few words really need to get a life.
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Reply #171 posted 05/15/13 2:08pm

2elijah

lwr001 said:

2elijah said:

(Bolded part) That is true.

I don't think he will lose all his Black audience, but I don't think as many will gravitate towards the new band, not that he has to care, but it will depend on the music output of this 3rdeyegirl band. I do think he will gain more White fans, and younger fans as well. I say that because if rock will be the main focus, that's what it will attract.

Truth be told, it's always been surprising to me that many people don't know how many blacks were into the music output of White musicians during the 60s/70s,especially those with a soulful flavor, and even the late 70s/early 80s, especially when the British invasion.... invaded...

The Beatles ( Very popular, catch and beautiful, meaningful songs)

and many more.

3 Dog Night (Very soulful music)

Joe Cocker (Very raw, natural, soulful voice)

Janis Joplin (Down to earth, raw, soulful, chiliing voice)

Tina Marie (Enough said...)

Michael McDonald (Very, deep soulful voice)

Carlos Santana (Although he is Mexican, he gave us some great, latin, rock-soul)

Weather Report - Band of great, musicians from various backgrounds

Then...

Blondie

The BeeGees

Tears for Fears

This is just to name a few, but I find no one really talks about that.

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That throws everyones Lisa, Wendy, Bobby Z , Dr Fink argument out the window. Why would he lose his black audience.. At this stage he is an Icon in the black community; they aren't going anywhere. He can give them "the Breakdown" and all will be well.

I did not say he would lose his entire Black audience. I'm African-American, and will always be a fan of his music, even if there may be some songs I may not like. Don't get so emotional. I was talking about his focus on rock with this group when he does live shows. How was the demographics at the most recent LOL shows? Were they as diverse an audience as with the NPG? I think you have your answer. Again, no one said he would lose his entire Black audience, I'm just not so sure he can attract a large, Black audience with this group at any future live shows, when he returns from performing abroad, and if he decides to do more shows in the U.S. It remains to be seen. Now if I'm wrong I'll gladly 'take back what I stated with no shame'. smile

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Reply #172 posted 05/15/13 2:27pm

murph

Sometimes I have to shake my head at this place.....

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Reply #173 posted 05/15/13 2:58pm

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andykeen said:

Hmmmm, Prince comes off as a bit of a prick and an old perv.

My initial reaction.

I am also confused by "they're a Minnepolis band" "I met her on the Internet" "Actually they're from Denmark"

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Reply #174 posted 05/15/13 2:59pm

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Wow lots of Dylan fans on the org razz

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Reply #175 posted 05/15/13 3:01pm

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murph said:

Sometimes I have to shake my head at this place.....

I join you....this site is stuck in the Silly Season.

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Reply #176 posted 05/15/13 3:20pm

marc45

i'm a little confused about part2?...i didn't see that from bream

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Reply #177 posted 05/15/13 4:32pm

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am I the only one struck by the irony of P allegedly bemoaning the "...lack of songwriting craft today..." all the while putting out a song with a chorus that reads;


"...I'm your driver, you're my screw..." ad nauseum?

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Good point... lol

Not really surprising coming from someone who doesn't have time for "old people" though.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #178 posted 05/15/13 5:34pm

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serpan99 said:Just listened 2 Jon Bream on WCCO, he kept repeating how relaxed and excited Prince is about 3rdeyegirl. Jon got an email monday at 3pm if he could show up in Denver 4 the show and 2 talk 2 the band and Prince same nite. Which he did from 4am-6:20am in a very relaxed mood they talked about various things. More coming up in part 2 of the interview sunday may 19th... Oh...it was Julia Ramadan who picked The Myth as the venue 4 the MPLS concerts may 25th... The most interesting thing I've seen about this article is that Jon Bream was the one who was picked to interivew him. Did he say anything on WCCO about that, since he was banned from Glam Slam and Paisley Park shows for many years?

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Reply #179 posted 05/15/13 6:07pm

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Prince is one of the greatest musicians ever and one of the greatest BS artists. lol Too funny that dude.

I just got used to the idea that time is a trick and now he's telling me old people are boring or whatever. lol

Great to see that he is enthusiastic and excited about his new band.

Would be great if he takes them around the world [hint: with just 4 people and small production Australia should be feasible!?!].

And regarding the album, yes please.

...every night another symphony...
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