independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Which songs were written for/about Susannah?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 2 of 3 <123>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #30 posted 03/10/13 12:53pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

NouveauDance said:

Prince was inspired to write the song about Sandy Scipioni, his personal assistant in 1980, who had to leave suddenly after her father's death (Prince and Scipioni were not in a romantic relationship, however).

source: http://www.princevault.co...mpares_2_U

These sources are interviews and books etc - nothing is 100% of course, unless you're going to ask Prince and he's going to a) cooperate, b) remember c) tell the truth and be civil, not cryptic. But I think now we're as close to 100% as you're going to get without that.

Nice, thanks 4 the info, looking at the lyrics again, it could be a combination

But the opening itself sounds cool, I doubt it would be lyrics about Susannah, and makes sense it would be about his personal assistance

It's been seven hours and fifteen days
Since u took your love away
I go out every night and sleep all day
Since u took your love away

Initial tracking for Prince's original version took place on 18 July, 1984 at the Flying Cloud Drive Warehouse, Eden Prairie (the same day Let's Go Crazy was released as a single). St. Paul Peterson and Susannah Melvoin overdubbed vocals onto the track in late 1984 - early 1985, and Clare Fischer added orchestral overdubs during the same period.

Since u been gone I can do whatever I want
I can see whomever I choose
I can eat my dinner in a fancy restaurant
But nothing
I said nothing can take away these blues
`Cause nothing compares
Nothing compares 2 u

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #31 posted 03/10/13 1:59pm

purplepolitici
an

avatar

All these could'a been written about anybody and probably where and they are still awesome tributes. Crystal Ball only makes me think of an old friend now. smoker

For all time I am with you, you are with me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #32 posted 03/10/13 2:01pm

Genesia

avatar

The best ones.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #33 posted 03/10/13 2:26pm

purplepolitici
an

avatar

^ no no no! The Beautiful Ones and PR before Susannah

For all time I am with you, you are with me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #34 posted 03/10/13 3:04pm

Genesia

avatar

purplepolitician said:

^ no no no! The Beautiful Ones and PR before Susannah



What the hell are you wagging your finger at me for? :whofarted:

The Beautiful Ones is about Susannah. He met her before filming began on Purple Rain.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #35 posted 03/10/13 3:06pm

purplepolitici
an

avatar

Genesia said:

purplepolitician said:

^ no no no! The Beautiful Ones and PR before Susannah

What the hell are you wagging your finger at me for? whofarted The Beautiful Ones is about Susannah. He met her before filming began on Purple Rain.

Cuz I wasn't informed. Want another finger? lol Okay, Nadeara and Bambi surely can't be about her and he wrote those. shrug

For all time I am with you, you are with me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #36 posted 03/10/13 3:09pm

Genesia

avatar

purplepolitician said:



Genesia said:


purplepolitician said:

^ no no no! The Beautiful Ones and PR before Susannah



What the hell are you wagging your finger at me for? whofarted The Beautiful Ones is about Susannah. He met her before filming began on Purple Rain.

Cuz I wasn't informed. Want another finger? lol Okay, Nadeara and Bambi surely can't be about her and he wrote those. shrug



What's your point? Are you alleging that Nadeara and Bambi are among his best sings? You are misinformed about that, too.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #37 posted 03/10/13 3:10pm

purplepolitici
an

avatar

Genesia said:

purplepolitician said:

Cuz I wasn't informed. Want another finger? lol Okay, Nadeara and Bambi surely can't be about her and he wrote those. shrug

What's your point? Are you alleging that Nadeara and Bambi are among his best sings? You are misinformed about that, too.

I sincerely must be. Had no point, just like to type.

For all time I am with you, you are with me.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #38 posted 03/11/13 3:11pm

alxndrstff

avatar

In This Bed eye Scream?

So look into the mirror, do u recognise some1? Is it who u always hoped u would become, when u were young?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #39 posted 03/11/13 3:30pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

purplepolitician said:

^ no no no! The Beautiful Ones and PR before Susannah

ouch, Read post 29 & 30 love,

You might need to get a new ID name, your replies don't match a PurplePolitician lol

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #40 posted 03/11/13 3:35pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

purplepolitician said:

All these could'a been written about anybody and probably where and they are still awesome tributes. Crystal Ball only makes me think of an old friend now. smoker

Crystal Ball isn't about Susannah, just reading the lyrics tell that it's about a lot of stuff

there was some co writing,

But there was a section that was about Susannah

My baby draws pictures of sex, yes, she does

All over the walls in graphic detail, sex

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #41 posted 03/11/13 4:32pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

alxndrstff said:

In This Bed eye Scream?

Initial tracking dates are unknown, but it is likely that the track was recorded in late 1995 or 1996 at Paisley Park Studios, Chanhassen, MN, USA. It was created using feedback noise produced when put a guitar on the floor. It is dedicated (in reversed text) in the album's booklet to "Wendy and Lisa and Susannah", and sent the song to Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman prior to its release for their input (in what could be interpreted as an apology for his past actions to them); they responded with some suggestions, but they did not hear back from him and their suggestions were not included on the released track.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #42 posted 03/12/13 1:52pm

novabrkr

Eh, the second part of the song ("outro") is what's created using feedback from a guitar and looping it. Not the entire the song.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #43 posted 03/12/13 1:54pm

novabrkr

... and I need to add, "In This Bed I Scream" is an amazing piece of music.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #44 posted 03/12/13 2:05pm

Emancipation89

I've read somewhere Crucial was about/for Susannah too. Is it really or do fans and authors often just speculate every single love song that was written during that era to be a song for Susannah?

[Edited 3/12/13 14:13pm]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #45 posted 03/12/13 2:08pm

tbag

avatar

novabrkr said:

... and I need to add, "In This Bed I Scream" is an amazing piece of music.

Damn sure is!!

~And even when I'm right, I'll be wrong...it's Automatic too.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #46 posted 03/12/13 2:52pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

Emancipation89 said:

I've read somewhere Crucial was about/for Susannah too. Is it really or do fans and authors often just speculate every single love song that was written during that era to be a song for Susannah?

[Edited 3/12/13 14:13pm]

Where did you read that?

I never heard that one

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #47 posted 03/12/13 3:20pm

purplethunder3
121

avatar

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #48 posted 03/12/13 3:45pm

Emancipation89

OldFriends4Sale said:

Emancipation89 said:

I've read somewhere Crucial was about/for Susannah too. Is it really or do fans and authors often just speculate every single love song that was written during that era to be a song for Susannah?

[Edited 3/12/13 14:13pm]

Where did you read that?

I never heard that one

http://prince.org/msg/7/261859

Search function and I are like best friends xD

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #49 posted 03/12/13 4:10pm

mzspongebob

avatar

purplethunder3121 said:

it amazes me how theres like no public pictures of him and her besides this one and that one pic during the shooting of boys and girls i think..wasnt very public like mayte and others.

welp
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #50 posted 03/12/13 5:03pm

OldFriends4Sal
e

mzspongebob said:

purplethunder3121 said:

it amazes me how theres like no public pictures of him and her besides this one and that one pic during the shooting of boys and girls i think..wasnt very public like mayte and others.

U know there are photos of them taken, public and private. Susannah was an artist... I wonder did she ever paint him?

Susannah was present at a few of his 'off' shows like the 1983 Dance Theater Benefit show

Prince took some of the photos for the Family album

He wanted her to play the female lead in UTCM

Susannah's Blue's (live) 1986

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #51 posted 03/12/13 7:52pm

mzspongebob

avatar

OldFriends4Sale said:

mzspongebob said:

it amazes me how theres like no public pictures of him and her besides this one and that one pic during the shooting of boys and girls i think..wasnt very public like mayte and others.

U know there are photos of them taken, public and private. Susannah was an artist... I wonder did she ever paint him?

Susannah was present at a few of his 'off' shows like the 1983 Dance Theater Benefit show

Prince took some of the photos for the Family album

He wanted her to play the female lead in UTCM

Susannah's Blue's (live) 1986

im sure they have private ones but i havent seen many public neutral if people have they should share biggrin

welp
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #52 posted 03/12/13 9:34pm

PaisleyRose

OldFriends4Sale said:



PaisleyRose said:


The "Beautiful Ones" was written about Susannah? Are you sure? Is "Darling Nikki" about her too? Or is that whole album about her? My questions are more rhetorical than inquisitory, because only Prince really knows who he had in mind when he wrote his songs. The fact is he may have had various aspects of various relationships in mind, sometimes it's like that when you write from your heart. One persons actions may remind you of an event in another relationship and spark a creative flow - the resulting creation can be about hybrid of relationships. [Edited 3/10/13 10:27am]

Yes, he wrote this song which replaced G-Spot & Electric Intercourse in Purple Rain about her.


It was a song he wrote 2 her to woo her from her current boyfriend



Darling Nikki as far as we know is just for the film, not about a real person.



Why do you doubt that song particularly?




According to (Susan)Rogers, "The Beautiful Ones" was Prince's favorite. "That song meant a lot to him," she says. "It was written for Susannah Melvoin [Wendy's sister and, at the time, Prince's girlfriend]. A lot of songs were written about her, but that was the first one."

-Rolling Stones Interview




The album also contains one of Prince's most heartbreaking ballads, "The Beautiful Ones." Written for Susannah Melvoin, twin sister of guitarist Wendy -whom Prince had met in May 1983, while she was still in another relationship - it builds around gentle synths and slow drum patterns to the coy question: "If we get married, would that be cool?" Having concluded that you always lose the beautiful ones, Prince lets go for a moment of pure passion, screaming relentlessly to his unrequited love.




From Prince: Chaos, Disorder and Revolution, (c) 2011 by Jason Draper. Published by Backbeat Books, an imprint of Hal Leonard. ISBN: 978-0-87930-961-9





The Beautiful Ones” is the third track on Prince and the Revolution’s soundtrack album Purple Rain. Produced, arranged, composed, and performed by Prince, the song was recorded at Sunset Sound in Los Angeles by Peggy Mac and David Leonard in early September 1983.

“The Beautiful Ones” is a haunting musical tale of emotional longing and unrequited love. Starting out as a slow falsetto ballad, with Dr. Fink’s piano and organ-sounding synthesizers providing a lush backdrop, it gradually builds in volume and intensity, and by the end of the song, Prince is screaming out “Do you want him, or do you want me? ‘Cause I want you. ” The song comes to a quiet close, with Fink’s and Bobby Z’s drums serving as the closing instrumentation.

The song replaced “Electric Intercourse” on the Purple Rain album. It was originally written for Susannah Melvoin (Revolution band member Wendy’s twin sister) to woo her away from her current boyfriend.

In the film, Prince sings the song directly from the stage to Apollonia, who is sitting with his rival Morris Day. The song is a direct and urgent appeal to Apollonia to choose Prince as her lover — and it is a direct challenge to Day. Ultimately, as the song ends and Prince lies, apparently spent, on the floor of the stage, Apollonia leaves in tears.



Ok then. I definitely did not know that. shrug
Peace out peace
PaisleyRose was here rose
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #53 posted 03/12/13 10:51pm

novabrkr

PaisleyRose said:

novabrkr said:

It's just something that's mentioned in several biographies of Prince. While I can't be "sure" myself if he wrote the song about her my first assumption when I read something isn't that people just write bullshit they themselves have made up. Prince biographies are usually based on what his associates have told the writers.

You are right that he might have been influenced by various relationships when he wrote a song like "The Beautiful Ones" and that probably applies to many of his songs. However, lyrics being "about" something doesn't mean that there couldn't be some fiction thrown in too.

You are using the word "fact" and the phrase "the fact is" incorrectly, btw.

Get a grip!

Don't use the word "fact" to back up your statements if you don't understand what it means.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #54 posted 03/13/13 12:56am

Adorecream

Trying to get a full list (Feel free to add or subtract)

Totally Susannah (Absolutely no order of date)

Nothing Compares 2 U

Beautiful Ones

Big Tall Wall

Go

17 Days

She's always in my hair

Empty Room

If I was ur girlfriend

Strange Relationship

Wally

Starfish and Coffee

Screams of Passion

All Day All night

Neon Telephone

Susannahs Pyjamas

Place in Heaven

Crystal Ball

Witness for the Prosecution

Train

Crucial

Wonderful Ass

In this bed I scream (Amongst others)

Less certain

Electric Intercourse

Darling Nikki

Raspberry Beret

I wonder U

Adore

I would die 4 u

Mutiny

High Fashion

Erotic City

Irresistable Bitch

4ever in my life (Besides God)

Feel free 2 add or take away.

I love the Susannah tracks, high emotion = high quality impassioned songs. I mean she was probably the one Prince loved the most although Mayte based songs come close in quantity but not quality.

Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #55 posted 03/13/13 3:18am

NouveauDance

avatar

Not to pick holes in the list Adorecream, but just a few that stood out to me:

Nothing Compares 2 U - already stated it's been said to be about his personal assistant

She's Always In My Hair is about Jill Jones

Mutiny - I always considered to be about Morris jumping ship, but written for a pop song as about a relationship. Maybe it's in general about people jumping ship then, like Vanity too, but the outro kind of confirms it's a song that was meant for the Family directly as a statement that they rose out of the ashes of the Time.

A Place In Heaven - Not sure at all, never considered it about anyone particular more of a story

Forever In My Life - Definately yes, it's about fidelity (guffaws of laughter from the cheap seats @ Prince and fidelity)

Wonderful Ass is about Vanity

Wonderful Ass predates what is considered the earliest(???) Susannah song - The Beautiful Ones and the lyrics? "I don't usually, have time for babes with no class" -- Doesn't tally with the High Fashion lyrics which seem to be tongue in cheek about Susannah. And from reading biographies it seems Prince felt a little threatened by her interest in art, fashion etc hence those lyrics.

Raspberry Beret I would say no since it's from 1982.

I Would Die 4 U - No I wouldn't say so.

Darlin' Nikki - Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Irresistible Bitch - Again, nahhhhhhhh and it's 1982 (first version)

Erotic City - Gonna say no on this one too

I will add 'Noon Rendezvous' maybe? Just by it's more romantic theme which go along with the earlier Susannah stuff like the Family songs - Screams, Desire etc.

Also things like Girls & Boys, Life Can Be So Nice that seem to be about that happy, butterflies excitement of an early established relationship.

The feeling I get about the Susannah tracks are they are very romantic, dreamy and emotional - sometimes sexual, but not in a straight up nasty way, more wrapped in flowery language like Screams Of Pssion (which I love) which I why I think about Noon Rendezvous too. Then you get to the fight and confusion songs later on - Go, Empty Room, Witness etc. To all accounts he's still boning other gals all this time, so any song written or sparked from life experience doesn't have to be about Susannah or any specific person just because it's written at a certain time, but some clearly are about a specific relationship and we have interview 'testimony' to back that up. Your honour!

[Edited 3/13/13 3:24am]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #56 posted 03/13/13 5:28am

OldFriends4Sal
e

mzspongebob said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U know there are photos of them taken, public and private. Susannah was an artist... I wonder did she ever paint him?

Susannah was present at a few of his 'off' shows like the 1983 Dance Theater Benefit show

Prince took some of the photos for the Family album

He wanted her to play the female lead in UTCM

Susannah's Blue's (live) 1986

im sure they have private ones but i havent seen many public neutral if people have they should share biggrin

I agree

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #57 posted 03/13/13 10:44am

WonderU

avatar

I would add Come Home from Mavis' album. It was written during the Susannah years, "how did it come to this? You living in your world and me dying in mine."

Prince may be the purple Yoda, but Wendy & Lisa and Eric Leeds also sit on the Jedi Council.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #58 posted 03/13/13 12:27pm

starkitty

joyinrepetition said:

scorp84 said:
Thought "Wonderful Ass" was about Vanity?
yeahthat

so, pretty sure little red corvette is about vanity, and the "girl's got an ass like i never seen" would lend itself to WA being about vanity.

as far as darling nikki, in the 25th (?) anniversary edition dvd of purple rain, in the extras there's a convo with wendy & lisa, i think, when wendy says "i don't know who the song's about" and lisa leans in and whispers "susannah" or "your sister" and there's a look of disbelief on wendy's face.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #59 posted 03/13/13 12:29pm

starkitty

anotherloverholenyohead??

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 2 of 3 <123>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > Which songs were written for/about Susannah?