nursev said:

thank God cuz them shits were down right creepy

Im not a hater, but them dolls were ugly

FragileUndertow said:

nursev said:

thank God cuz them shits were down right creepy

Im not a hater, but them dolls were ugly

I disagree. A lot of work and time prolly went into those cute dolls.

FragileUndertow said:

FragileUndertow said:

nursev said:

thank God cuz them shits were down right creepy

Im not a hater, but them dolls were ugly

They were odd. Very very odd. Suited P down to the ground.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

the already Prince haters

Is there gonna be a new thread? "Haters of the already Prince haters and haters thereof need to stop hating on the", oh shit, even I'm getting confused.

luv4u said:

FragileUndertow said:

but them dolls were ugly

I disagree. A lot of work and time prolly went into those cute dolls.

Oh im sure he put in a lot of time he definitely has some skills

But i wouldnt want one of those and my shelf

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

FragileUndertow said:

Im not a hater, but them dolls were ugly

And you would call them a masterpiece

luv4u said:

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

SEE PRINCE, YOUR ASSHOLE WAYS ARE MAKING UR FANS DISLIKE YOU (even more) !! Your losing wonderful fans who used to support you.

I don't think it is Prince. I think it's the folks that throw out the cease and desists like candy.

Who do you think appoints 'the folks'?

Fonkyman said:

luv4u said:

I don't think it is Prince. I think it's the folks that throw out the cease and desists like candy.

Who do you think appoints 'the folks'?

Do you really think that Prince has the time to get on the net and say which and what gets those?

FragileUndertow said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

And you would call them a masterpiece

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what a big surprise, not!! - I'm stunned it took this long but I feel sorry for Troy though - those things were fun - more than I can say about Prince these days - he's like the bloody grinch!!

Troy, might I suggest you change the name of the doll, so Prince's over zealous lawyers can't touch you, and make a few to sell to cover your losses - dress the doll in something that Prince wouldn't wear (anything that actually looks vaguely 'manly') - or even naked LOL...so long as it is not a 'prince doll' anymore you should be fine...remarket them as something else and let us know where and how much - I'll buy one just to support someone who is gonna toy with Prince and piss him off LOL

Poor wee baby Prince, did someone hurt your feelings? Don't you have a sense of humour anymore? Diddums!! Nevermind, Larry will make it all better....

shame on you Prince!! You really are a tool sometimes

This Troy guy should have made a Prince version of that doll that comes out of the cone in purple rain... you know the one he's playing with in front of the mirror...

THANK U!! U GET IT!!

dizzidecazz said:

I'm no high flying hollywood type lawyer but the way I see it, LPP is not using images of P, it is a character based on Prince. Can Prince ask people with similiar facial features to his to cease and desist? I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the world but in Australia, you could just add quote bubbles saying thigs like "Cease & Desist... Cease & Desist... ow-ah!" then it would count as satirical and be covered the same way political cartoons ad the like are.

P really shits me sometimes.

fusk said:

This Troy guy should have made a Prince version of that doll that comes out of the cone in purple rain... you know the one he's playing with in front of the mirror...

troygua said:

THANK U!! U GET IT!!

dizzidecazz said:

I'm no high flying hollywood type lawyer but the way I see it, LPP is not using images of P, it is a character based on Prince. Can Prince ask people with similiar facial features to his to cease and desist? I'm not sure how it is in the rest of the world but in Australia, you could just add quote bubbles saying thigs like "Cease & Desist... Cease & Desist... ow-ah!" then it would count as satirical and be covered the same way political cartoons ad the like are.

P really shits me sometimes.

Both of yall DONT get it.

luv4u said:

Do you really think that Prince has the time to get on the net and say which and what gets those?

He probably has plenty of time, yeah, considering he's obviously not spending much of it writing anything decent. I doubt very much he even knows about it all though. I think he's an employer. I think he sets out the guidelines of what's acceptable to him and what's not. I'm not talking just copyright law.

I also think that it's his over the top attitude that pushes potential fans or earnings, depending on your perspective, away.

In Troys' case, it's a copyright issue and unless he misunderstood something drastically, he must've known he was pushing the boat out a bit with the t-shirts at least and would likely be warned for it? That's fair enough. Law's the law, even if we might disagree with it.

It's Princes pathetic attitude to youtube, his fans (the people who lined his pockets for decades) and his hairdo that I don't go much on.

Prince is an ass, plain and simple.

I have so much to say and so little energy to say it. So I'm just gonna copy and paste some of items from Facebook:

The project was never meant to become what it has. I just made a little tribute sculpture, mostly for my own pleasure. I took some pics, put them on my site, they turned up on prince.org, then picked up all over the place. Folks started requesting different looks and recreations, and I took the requests as a challenge, ran with it, and it exploded. I got to the point where I had to finish out the timeline of Prince's career - I had come too far not to. I had countless requests to buy the sculpture, to reproduce it, and I refused time and time again - because *that* would be infringement without his consent. But producing a photographic body of work using something *I* created as the subject? I could argue that point until I pass out. But I will not do it. This project was meant as a tribute, and it will remain so.

Regarding "profits" and "infringement":

Hey all - Troy here. I just want to say thanks again - the support here is blowing my mind. I also want to say that I never meant to start a 'Down-with-Prince' post. Although I'm grateful for the sentiments, and am also deeply disappointed by this sad turn of events, I will not bash nor abide the bashing of the man that inspired this project in the first place. I completely understand your feelings, and you are of course, free to express them, but I really just wanted to let you all know how much this project has meant to me and thank you for everything you've given me.

And now I'd like to address a comment I just saw - Prince *shouldn't* bear people making a profit on his likeness - and that's not what I was doing. That may be his perception, and it may even be your perception, but it is VERY IMPORTANT for me that you all understand this: that simply is *not* the case. Any pittance of money I received from selling merchandise based on my work was put directly back into the project. I was hoping to ultimately create a beautiful photo book capturing the entire project - a keepsake for you and me - and something I was NOT planning on profitting from.

Now, I'll address one more point - if it were indeed Prince's actual image, if I were stealing directly from existing work, if I were to reproduce the sculptural doll and sell it - *that* would be infringement. I have gone along under the belief that since *I* created this sculpture and created my *own* photographic body of work using the sculpture as the subject, recreating any and all imagery, that I would be ok. I really believed this was my art, inspired by Prince, yes, but still mine. I could possibly fight this point - but what would that gain? I can't afford a lawyer, and I will not fight the man that this tribute is all about.

My initial statement:

Hello, Friends.

It is with a heavy heart that I write this - I have been issued a cease & desist order from Prince’s attorneys. This means that the Le Petit Prince project has reached its untimely end and must be removed from the internet by Friday, November 16, 4pm PST. There are many points touched upon in the order, and I will, of course, comply with their demands, whether I agree with them as

Fonkyman said:

luv4u said:

Do you really think that Prince has the time to get on the net and say which and what gets those?

He probably has plenty of time, yeah, considering he's obviously not spending much of it writing anything decent. I doubt very much he even knows about it all though. I think he's an employer. I think he sets out the guidelines of what's acceptable to him and what's not. I'm not talking just copyright law.

I also think that it's his over the top attitude that pushes potential fans or earnings, depending on your perspective, away.

In Troys' case, it's a copyright issue and unless he misunderstood something drastically, he must've known he was pushing the boat out a bit with the t-shirts at least and would likely be warned for it? That's fair enough. Law's the law, even if we might disagree with it.

It's Princes pathetic attitude to youtube, his fans (the people who lined his pockets for decades) and his hairdo that I don't go much on.

I wonder if Prince gets the say on who gets it and who does not or they just whilly nilly apply them to whomever they "think" it applies to. Does Prince know what the hell is going on? Does he know or have any inkling on how this sort of thing affects his fans?

Fonkyman said:

Some of yall are really childish as adults (or just plain dumb).

If someone was making dolls and calanders of them of say.. Bono, you think they wouldnt get a cease and decist?

luv4u said:

NikkiAndTheRevolution said:

SEE PRINCE, YOUR ASSHOLE WAYS ARE MAKING UR FANS DISLIKE YOU (even more) !! Your losing wonderful fans who used to support you.

I don't think it is Prince. I think it's the folks that throw out the cease and desists like candy.

He says clearly on FB it was at the request of Mr. Nelson.
The truth of copyright and trademark law is that Troy is infringing on nothing. But Prince has money to pursue. And he is a dick. So what is Troy supposed to do?

rdhull said:

troygua said:

THANK U!! U GET IT!!

Both of yall DONT get it.

don't get what?

rdhull said:

Some of yall are really childish as adults (or just plain dumb).

If someone was making dolls and calanders of them of say.. Bono, you think they wouldnt get a cease and decist?

luv4u said:

Does he know or have any inkling on how this sort of thing affects his fans?

It isn't hard for him to find out now is it.

A song, for either persuasion. Incidently, I'm thinking of creating some Let's go lazy pillowcases and Little Red Chevette candlesticks, shaped in symbols and depicting a purple penis on a motorbike. See how I get on. Don't fret it Troy.

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It's a doll made up to look like Prince. I don't see it as any different than when Dave Chapelle made himself up to look like Prince and he sold the DVDs of him making fun of him. The doll was not for sale and was made out of admiration. So the calendars were for sale but they were pictures of the doll dressed as Prince but not Prince himself. And the Dave Chapelle DVDs were for sale and they were Dave Chapelle dressed as Prince and not Prince himself. Sounds like the same thing to me except one was making fun of him and the other was admiring him. The choices of who he goes after seems assbackwards to me but oh well....

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rdhull said:

Some of yall are really childish as adults (or just plain dumb).

If someone was making dolls and calanders of them of say.. Bono, you think they wouldnt get a cease and decist?

U2s music videos don't seem to be lacking on Youtube. We won't really ever know, but he certainly doesn't appear to be a zealot about it.

luv4u said:

Fonkyman said:

He probably has plenty of time, yeah, considering he's obviously not spending much of it writing anything decent. I doubt very much he even knows about it all though. I think he's an employer. I think he sets out the guidelines of what's acceptable to him and what's not. I'm not talking just copyright law.

I also think that it's his over the top attitude that pushes potential fans or earnings, depending on your perspective, away.

In Troys' case, it's a copyright issue and unless he misunderstood something drastically, he must've known he was pushing the boat out a bit with the t-shirts at least and would likely be warned for it? That's fair enough. Law's the law, even if we might disagree with it.

It's Princes pathetic attitude to youtube, his fans (the people who lined his pockets for decades) and his hairdo that I don't go much on.

I wonder if Prince gets the say on who gets it and who does not or they just whilly nilly apply them to whomever they "think" it applies to. Does Prince know what the hell is going on? Does he know or have any inkling on how this sort of thing affects his fans?

Oh come on! This type of shit has been going on for HOW LONG now? Since the late 90's, if we're honest about it. Isn't it about time we stop using that tired ass excuse? He KNOWS!!!!

luv4u said:

I disagree. A lot of work and time prolly went into those cute dolls.

Really, there's no "probably" about it. Try building a tiny toy puppet from scratch that looks identical to a famous human, then try meticulously sewing/constructing dozens of micro-sized replications of outfits/jewelry and photoshoot backdrops for the little figure, and see how long it takes. Even if you are an inherent master of art design and photography like this Troy genius, a project like this done solo, with such extraordinary regard for detail, would require many weeks or even months to complete.

And accumulatively, even as a hobby, the total amount of work exerted for this can be comparable to a full-time job. Which is just awful to me.....Although I've liked LPP since the moment I first saw it, I've never felt the person it's based on has ever been worth the sadly reverent effort Troy put into creating it. He should have known that his adorable doll would never be appreciated by his daft "hero," who would rather support and promote ugly pretense and incompetency than show respect and gratitude for such a midblowing tribute.

Troy has given way too nice of a response for my taste, but I feel bad for him, 'cause after looking at that brilliantly expressive new photo of the dismembered LPP on his Facebook page, it's clear that he's hurt. ....

I didn't really follow the doll saga much, but thought they looked great - but did Troy ever mention trying to contact Prince's camp at all? I think sometimes it's a feeling like he's left out of the loop on this kind of thing that gets his back up.