kidmelody2012 said:

alphachannel said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

With the completed Cookhouse songs in his possession, Pepé and Wendell, the bass player for 94 East, flew to New York in April of 1976 and literally beat the pavement until 94 East was signed with Polydor. 94 East had to prepare to go in to the studio and record a single. By this time, Dale Alexander had lost his position as drummer with 94 East and was replaced by Bobby "Z" Rivkin. Bobby later became the drummer for Prince's first band, the Revolution. When Prince began working on his own demo recordings at Sound 80, André Lewis, Pierre Lewis' younger brother was given the task of learning all of Prince's guitar parts.

By now, Prince had started his association with Owen Husney, whom he later hired as his manager. Soon after, Prince was recording his own demos at Sound 80 with the financial support of Husney and the engineering skills of David Z (Bobby Z's brother).

The very next day, Prince, André Cymone and Pepé were in Sound 80 Recording Studios, recording new material.

From these sessions came Dance To The Music The World, Lovin' Cup and Just Another Sucker (the song Pepé and Prince co-wrote). If You Feel Like Dancin' and One Man Jam were recorded at a studio in New York. That trip proved to be an excellent experience for Prince and André (Cymone). They got the kind of professional studio exposure that would prove invaluable to them in the future.

These five songs really show the fast-growing maturity and versatility of Prince since the Cookhouse Five recordings. On Just Another Sucker, Lovin' Cup and Dance To The Music Of The World, Prince not only played guitar, but also drums, keyboards, and did vocal work. André Cymone played bass and Pepé played rhythm guitar. On If You Feel Like Dancin', Prince is on keyboards and guitar. One Man Jam, André Cymone is on bass and Prince "went crazy" playing everything else. Pepé added synthesizer parts in the overdub. We guess Prince really wanted to "show them" for Pepés sake.

Songs that were intended to be on For You started being recorded in late 1976:

14-track demo tape, Moonsound, Minneapolis, spring – December 1976 – no known order
Instrumental (7:25) – possibly titled Farnborough
Aces (Prince/Chris Moon)
Diamond Eyes (Prince/Chris Moon)
Don’t Forget (Prince/Chris Moon)
Don’t Hold Back (Prince/Chris Moon)
Fantasy (Prince/Chris Moon)
Love Is Forever #1 (Prince/Chris Moon)
Make It Through the Storm #1 (Prince/Chris Moon)
Piano Intro (0:40)
Soft and Wet #1 (3:22) (Prince/Chris Moon)
Surprise (Prince/Chris Moon)
Baby #1
I’m Yours #1
Jelly Jam #1 (Instrumental)
Leaving for New York #2
Since We’ve Been Together #1
For You #3 (1:19)
For You #4 (1:20)
Outro (0:13)

I know we're drifting a bit off topic but do you know if there's a story behind the sessions with Prince, Andre and Steve Fontana? I've always wondered why he took time off from completing For You to do this session and didn't (as far as I know) use any of the material later. Curious to hear any insights on the Husney's recordings too...

Ok I will post some stuff tomorrow, I do have some info on those sessions

thebanishedone said:

kidmelody2012 said:

actuallly I play 7 professionally so you are kinda right!been playing for 35 years

if you play for 35 and said those very childish comments,don't wanna use a stronger word then i feel sorry for,but i don't believe you that you play 7 instruments any way

1.electric guitar

2.acoutic guitar

3.7 string guitar

4.4 string bass

5.5 string bass

6.drums

7.piano-also a percussion instrument for those of you who are not as trained in music as me

any more questions?

** Ok guys this is turning into a 'personal battle' let's end it plz

OldFriends4Sale said:

kidmelody2012 said:

thebanishedone said:

kidmelody2012 said: if you play for 35 and said those very childish comments,don't wanna use a stronger word then i feel sorry for,but i don't believe you that you play 7 instruments any way

1.electric guitar

2.acoutic guitar

3.7 string guitar

4.4 string bass

5.5 string bass

6.drums

7.piano-also a percussion instrument for those of you who are not as trained in music as me

any more questions?

OK, er... that's 4 instruments to me: guitar, bass, piano and drumz.

Which is impressive enough, don't get me wrong, but not 7

Good thread!!

I always doubted it was him on handclapsandfingasnaps....

thebanishedone said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

** Ok guys this is turning into a 'personal battle' let's end it plz

it's not a personal battle,this Kid melody guy is posting some suspicious posts and we wanna check his credibility as a musician. Btw Kid that is only two instruments guitar and bass

I know, I know, I don't like it either

But now the thread is turning in2 a 'trolling' arguement

Ignore it, he's just throwing bait out there

thebanishedone said:

Rumors are just that.every musician have a distinctive something in their playing style.when Prince hits the kick drum,there is a way he do it.if you listen to his playing it's easy to distinct and tell if it's him or not.it's safe to say that Prince played most of the drums on projects he created,he even played drums on Sheila's albums. I'm Yours is not hard for a good drummer to play,Prince's drum playing is more intricate on Glasscutter for example.

Prince can play anything. He is an instrument himself. If you saw him in concert, he takes the shape of an instrument and takes off - collectively. Anything is possible with a genuis like that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nice, do you reckon he still has the hariy chest?

databank said:

kidmelody2012 said:

1.electric guitar

2.acoutic guitar

3.7 string guitar

4.4 string bass

5.5 string bass

6.drums

7.piano-also a percussion instrument for those of you who are not as trained in music as me

any more questions?

OK, er... that's 4 instruments to me: guitar, bass, piano and drumz.

Which is impressive enough, don't get me wrong, but not 7

prince himself said he couldnt play a 5 string bass........different instrument

thing is in the studio or on your own somewhere you can do it a million times till you get just what you want. I've never been a great musician but I managed to make my music note perfect by trial and error and also the technology that's available today. I would think Prince was good enough to get that kind of stuff on wax even with the technology then. Think of it like playing darts, you try enough times you'll hit the bullseye, now whether he could duplicate that live then who knows?

petes2 said:

thing is in the studio or on your own somewhere you can do it a million times till you get just what you want. I've never been a great musician but I managed to make my music note perfect by trial and error and also the technology that's available today. I would think Prince was good enough to get that kind of stuff on wax even with the technology then. Think of it like playing darts, you try enough times you'll hit the bullseye, now whether he could duplicate that live then who knows?

great point! or just call the baddest drummer in minneapolis morris day!

kidmelody2012 said:

petes2 said:

thing is in the studio or on your own somewhere you can do it a million times till you get just what you want. I've never been a great musician but I managed to make my music note perfect by trial and error and also the technology that's available today. I would think Prince was good enough to get that kind of stuff on wax even with the technology then. Think of it like playing darts, you try enough times you'll hit the bullseye, now whether he could duplicate that live then who knows?

great point! or just call the baddest drummer in minneapolis morris day!

from what I know, Morris wasn't in the loop then and the album was made in cali where they could call up anyone if they had too, not necessarily morris. Either way, the musicianship on this first album was always in my opinion better than the songs. I never listen to this album and consider it a weak album (I know he was only 19) Baby isn't a bad song and the production is fantastic but the actual songs are just not there. Astounding how a year later he blossomed with Prince, just about every song on there was fantastic and he was really beginning his own sound. Piano solos on here would be the prototype for years to come for his type of music and his imitators.

databank said:

According to several sources, Patrice Rushen and Charles Veal, Jr. contributed a few tracks on For You, something Princevault fails to acknowledge.

Now I've never read anything regarding any drums contribution that wouldn't be in Princevault.

This being said, these people are thanked in the liner notes alongside Rushen and Veal, I wonder WHO ON EARTH THEY ARE and/or WHAT THEY WERE THANKED FOR (if not ghostplaying):

Tom Coster, Graham Lear, Joe Giannetti, Patrice Rushen, Charles Veal, Jr., Shirley Walker, Knut Koupee Music, Chuck Orr, Lisa H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ley_Walker : what does she have to do with Prince (if same woman)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coster : same question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...raham_Lear : same question.

Patrice Rushen is a famous recording artist and she did some of the synthesizer programming for Prince when he was working on For You. Her boyfriend Charles Veal arranged and conducted a live string orchestra on the song Baby (uncredited). It's pretty obvious if you listen for it and are able to hear the difference between real and synthesizer strings.

Tom Coster may have done some synthesizer programming too - he is a synth player that worked with Santana. Graham Lear is a drummer and Shirley Walker is a composer/arranger. Does anyone know anything about these three working on the project? Sounds like they may have contributed.

plymouthavenuenorth said:

databank said:

According to several sources, Patrice Rushen and Charles Veal, Jr. contributed a few tracks on For You, something Princevault fails to acknowledge.

Now I've never read anything regarding any drums contribution that wouldn't be in Princevault.

This being said, these people are thanked in the liner notes alongside Rushen and Veal, I wonder WHO ON EARTH THEY ARE and/or WHAT THEY WERE THANKED FOR (if not ghostplaying):

Tom Coster, Graham Lear, Joe Giannetti, Patrice Rushen, Charles Veal, Jr., Shirley Walker, Knut Koupee Music, Chuck Orr, Lisa H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ley_Walker : what does she have to do with Prince (if same woman)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coster : same question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...raham_Lear : same question.

Patrice Rushen is a famous recording artist and she did some of the synthesizer programming for Prince when he was working on For You. Her boyfriend Charles Veal arranged and conducted a live string orchestra on the song Baby (uncredited). It's pretty obvious if you listen for it and are able to hear the difference between real and synthesizer strings.

Tom Coster may have done some synthesizer programming too - he is a synth player that worked with Santana. Graham Lear is a drummer and Shirley Walker is a composer/arranger. Does anyone know anything about these three working on the project? Sounds like they may have contributed.

the strings were real from what I can remember hearing for sure, I know prince didn't play them shits.