I heard and seen him play drums. Although he might be playing live kit on lots of his own tracks, there is NO WAY he is playing drums on "I'm Yours" off the "For You' album.

Anyone know who it could be?

Its is a killer track, and I found this online....stream the track "Raggamuffin Mini"

http://prostopleer.com/tr...723785jc9M

Source:

http://www.princevault.co...%27m_Yours

I'm Yours is the ninth and final track on Prince's first album For You.

An earlyversion of the song was recorded in Summer 1976 at Moonsound, Minneapolis, MN, USA (during the same set of sessions as Aces, Baby, Diamond Eyes, Don't Forget, Don't Hold Back, Fantasy, Jelly Jam (which was later used as the instrumental portion of Just As Long As We're Together), Leaving For New York, Love Is Forever (later renamed My Love Is Forever), Make It Through The Storm, Since We've Been Together, Surprise and Soft And Wet). Specific recording dates for the released version are not known, but the album was recorded at the Record Plant, Sausalito, CA, USA, from 1 October 1977 to 22 December 1977, before overdubs and mixing took place, in early January 1978 at Sound Labs, Los Angeles, CA, USA.

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sasha78 said:

I heard and seen him play drums. Although he might be playing live kit on lots of his own tracks, there is NO WAY he is playing drums on "I'm Yours" off the "For You' album.

Anyone know who it could be?

I'd guess it's actually him. He could do as many takes as he wanted to get it right, and a big part of his marketing at that point was that he played all the instruments. If somebody else played on that album, it would probably be widespread knowledge already. Prince wasn't even remotely powerful enough to demand secrecy at that point.

controversy99 said:

sasha78 said:

I heard and seen him play drums. Although he might be playing live kit on lots of his own tracks, there is NO WAY he is playing drums on "I'm Yours" off the "For You' album.

Anyone know who it could be?

I'd guess it's actually him. He could do as many takes as he wanted to get it right, and a big part of his marketing at that point was that he played all the instruments. If somebody else played on that album, it would probably be widespread knowledge already. Prince wasn't even remotely powerful enough to demand secrecy at that point.

Bobby Z did come with Prince from 94East, and

"We Can Work It Out" was Prince & Bobby Z on the drums,

I think it's easy for Prince to have used Bobby Z on songs then

http://prince.org/msg/7/384899 We Can Work It Out

OldFriends4Sale said:

controversy99 said:

I'd guess it's actually him. He could do as many takes as he wanted to get it right, and a big part of his marketing at that point was that he played all the instruments. If somebody else played on that album, it would probably be widespread knowledge already. Prince wasn't even remotely powerful enough to demand secrecy at that point.

Bobby Z did come with Prince from 94East, and

"We Can Work It Out" was Prince & Bobby Z on the drums,

I think it's easy for Prince to have used Bobby Z on songs then

http://prince.org/msg/7/384899 We Can Work It Out

That's cool info that Bobby Z was in 94East. I missed that part of the history until now.

As for I'm Yours, I suppose I can go with the Princevault info mentioned above.

80spfantwp said:

Source:

http://www.princevault.co...%27m_Yours

Recording Personnel

Prince - all vocals and instruments

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Btw, how do the Princevault folks maintain quality control on their info? It's a wiki, but so many knowledgable fans go that site so they must have some controls in place that folks feel good about.

Thanks guys. The drum track on this song is just too damn pro. But I guess all of what you memtioned above could be right.

There were some rumors that some players on early recordings went uncredited, but I guess we will never know.

sasha78 said:

Thanks guys. The drum track on this song is just too damn pro. But I guess all of what you memtioned above could be right.

There were some rumors that some players on early recordings went uncredited, but I guess we will never know.

no offense but on prince's early records, the drumming is not overly complicated. Its nothing that prince cannot or couldn't pull off.

In my opinion one of the biggest mysteries in Prince history is the identity of the drummers on the Prince and protege albums up through 1982. I know some here think Prince walks on water and obviously he's an incredibly talented musician, but until he himself says definitively, I'll always wonder how much drumming Bobby, Morris and Steve Fontana contributed in the early years.

There are studio sessions dating back to 1977 where we're fairly sure that Morris or Bobby play drums (and of course there are live shows with each) but it's so hard to tell on most tracks by listening alone because Prince can assimilate other's styles so well (that's intended as a complement). I've always felt he's best on bass and keyboards and a great guitarist but (by Prince standards) a good, not great, drummer -- so it would make sense that he would use an outside drummer on occasion (also since he works so quickly in the studio, I could see his need for a drummer in the pre Linn Machine years).

I know all this may anger the loyalists, but it's only one guy's opinion that it's not an impossibility that Prince may not be the sole drummer on For You, Prince, The Time, Dirty Mind, Controversy, Vanity 6 and What Time Is It.

As for "The Vault", I treat it as the best source of Prince info available to the general public, but as with any resource it's not infallible; also it's possible that more accurate information may have become available since it's publication. I trust it, but without an eye witness or studio log, anything is open for debate..

It's not that hard to play

Dewrede said:

It's not that hard to play

Yes, haven't listened to it in quite a long while, but except for some flashy fills, I don't think it's too hard to play. Also has a kind of loose feel which would fit his style, I think. At least when it comes to rock drumming. I'm no expert on drumming, though.

Dewrede said:

It's not that hard to play

A lot of Prince music (the drumming) was simple, it would be a very distinct beat (like Lady Cab Driver) with some extra linn sounds maybe... the ATWIAD song has a beat Prince has used throught his music

That's something I've always liked about his earlier music, that 'simple distinct' beat with all these other sounds floating around it

the Beautiful One is another good example, I believe it's the same drumming/linn throught, doesn't change or build, but it sounds like it is because of the other keys chords strings around it

alphachannel said:

In my opinion one of the biggest mysteries in Prince history is the identity of the drummers on the Prince and protege albums up through 1982. I know some here think Prince walks on water and obviously he's an incredibly talented musician, but until he himself says definitively, I'll always wonder how much drumming Bobby, Morris and Steve Fontana contributed in the early years.

There are studio sessions dating back to 1977 where we're fairly sure that Morris or Bobby play drums (and of course there are live shows with each) but it's so hard to tell on most tracks by listening alone because Prince can assimilate other's styles so well (that's intended as a complement). I've always felt he's best on bass and keyboards and a great guitarist but (by Prince standards) a good, not great, drummer -- so it would make sense that he would use an outside drummer on occasion (also since he works so quickly in the studio, I could see his need for a drummer in the pre Linn Machine years).

I know all this may anger the loyalists, but it's only one guy's opinion that it's not an impossibility that Prince may not be the sole drummer on For You, Prince, The Time, Dirty Mind, Controversy, Vanity 6 and What Time Is It.

As for "The Vault", I treat it as the best source of Prince info available to the general public, but as with any resource it's not infallible; also it's possible that more accurate information may have become available since it's publication. I trust it, but without an eye witness or studio log, anything is open for debate..

Interesting take on it.

I too, stand by the belief that i do NOT believe Prince played every single damn note himself on those first few albums. Around the time of 'For You" I truly believe that some higher up at WB, heard about him being capable of playing everything and decided to market him as a new genius in the vein of Stevie Wonder, etc... As is with any business, Time = Money. Which would mean less studio time would be optimal and that would mean he would need help with recording certain things. Think about it, a full band could in essence record a full album in a week (lets just say this imaginary band had the songs ready and had just come back from tour ready to go). Now imagine ONE single person doing it all? Insanity. I doubt any record company would take the risk of booking an exorbitant amount of studio time for someone to complete an album solo who was completely unknown at the time. Now, If you were a starving musician and someone paid you not to be credited would you take it? The answer would probably be most likely yes.

Replica said:

He must have played most of those instruments, when even those who were most sceptical to alot og his music like Eric Leeds have admitted his abillities. I'm not saying its the absolutte truth. But many unsatisfied former members of his crew has admitted that he did most of the old stuff alone.

Yes most admit, Eric Leeds though wasn't there during those years

But even Prince in a GB era interview (I will find and post) said that on many of the songs credits were not alwasy given and records kept well

OldFriends4Sale said:

Replica said:

He must have played most of those instruments, when even those who were most sceptical to alot og his music like Eric Leeds have admitted his abillities. I'm not saying its the absolutte truth. But many unsatisfied former members of his crew has admitted that he did most of the old stuff alone.

Yes most admit, Eric Leeds though wasn't there during those years

true

According to several sources, Patrice Rushen and Charles Veal, Jr. contributed a few tracks on For You, something Princevault fails to acknowledge.

Now I've never read anything regarding any drums contribution that wouldn't be in Princevault.

This being said, these people are thanked in the liner notes alongside Rushen and Veal, I wonder WHO ON EARTH THEY ARE and/or WHAT THEY WERE THANKED FOR (if not ghostplaying):

Tom Coster, Graham Lear, Joe Giannetti, Patrice Rushen, Charles Veal, Jr., Shirley Walker, Knut Koupee Music, Chuck Orr, Lisa H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ley_Walker : what does she have to do with Prince (if same woman)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coster : same question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...raham_Lear : same question.

sasha78 said:

I heard and seen him play drums. Although he might be playing live kit on lots of his own tracks, there is NO WAY he is playing drums on "I'm Yours" off the "For You' album.

Anyone know who it could be?

of course not! prince wasnt that good back then! was probably morris day my friends say!

His early style on most instruments was quite different from what it turned out to be later on. I'd say that his performances during that time sounded like just what you'd expect talented teenagers like him to play when they'll get into a recording studio.

If we're honest about it, hardly anything on "I'm Yours" sounds like the Prince we are more familiar with.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Dewrede said:

It's not that hard to play

A lot of Prince music (the drumming) was simple, it would be a very distinct beat (like Lady Cab Driver) with some extra linn sounds maybe... the ATWIAD song has a beat Prince has used throught his music

That's something I've always liked about his earlier music, that 'simple distinct' beat with all these other sounds floating around it

the Beautiful One is another good example, I believe it's the same drumming/linn throught, doesn't change or build, but it sounds like it is because of the other keys chords strings around it

FYI trivia -

The drum track to LCD is a Linn kick drum and tamborine pattern, (the tamborine acting as a hi-hat) and he played an acoustic snare drum over the top of that.

databank said:

According to several sources, Patrice Rushen and Charles Veal, Jr. contributed a few tracks on For You, something Princevault fails to acknowledge.

Now I've never read anything regarding any drums contribution that wouldn't be in Princevault.

This being said, these people are thanked in the liner notes alongside Rushen and Veal, I wonder WHO ON EARTH THEY ARE and/or WHAT THEY WERE THANKED FOR (if not ghostplaying):

Tom Coster, Graham Lear, Joe Giannetti, Patrice Rushen, Charles Veal, Jr., Shirley Walker, Knut Koupee Music, Chuck Orr, Lisa H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ley_Walker : what does she have to do with Prince (if same woman)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coster : same question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...raham_Lear : same question.

yep, and Chris Moon(?) wrote Soft & Wet

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

According to several sources, Patrice Rushen and Charles Veal, Jr. contributed a few tracks on For You, something Princevault fails to acknowledge.

Now I've never read anything regarding any drums contribution that wouldn't be in Princevault.

This being said, these people are thanked in the liner notes alongside Rushen and Veal, I wonder WHO ON EARTH THEY ARE and/or WHAT THEY WERE THANKED FOR (if not ghostplaying):

Tom Coster, Graham Lear, Joe Giannetti, Patrice Rushen, Charles Veal, Jr., Shirley Walker, Knut Koupee Music, Chuck Orr, Lisa H.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ley_Walker : what does she have to do with Prince (if same woman)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coster : same question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...raham_Lear : same question.

yep, and Chris Moon(?) wrote Soft & Wet

And another one he got no credit for IIRC, which likely led to the Make It Through The Storm retaliation with Sue-Ann.

you guys are forgetting his closest friend and ally at the time Andre Cymone who played bass. If it's anyone who got ripped in the early years it's him. How much I don't know. When things get successful people like to take credit for more than they deserve. Also, I don't think Morris was around much until Prince got going a little more. From what I know he was working in a shoe store or something when Prince came along and offered him a deal. Bobby Z. also wasn't that good of a drummer either, Prince hired him mainly because he was white. Chazz Chandler was originally suppossed to be Prince's drummer, if anyone filled in for prince, it was probably him. But I don't doubt it was Prince, in the studio on an album that costed 800,000 probably got as much time and edits as he needed to do the song. He was so young and hungry I wouldn't doubt it. But let's not forget he was starting his habit of erasing peoples names from shit even back then.

I realize that the scope and breadth of Prince's talent is so vast that it can lead to this kind of thinking, but come on folks.

Prince has given FAR more credit for things he did than credit he's taken for things he didn't.

TRUE.

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Giovanni777 said:

I realize that the scope and breadth of Prince's talent is so vast that it can lead to this kind of thinking, but come on folks.

Prince has given FAR more credit for things he did than credit he's taken for things he didn't.

TRUE.

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Kind of cryptic, care to explain?

Giovanni777 said:

oceancrayon said:

I too, stand by the belief that i do NOT believe Prince played every single damn note himself on those first few albums. Around the time of 'For You" I truly believe that some higher up at WB, heard about him being capable of playing everything and decided to market him as a new genius in the vein of Stevie Wonder, etc... As is with any business, Time = Money. Which would mean less studio time would be optimal and that would mean he would need help with recording certain things. Think about it, a full band could in essence record a full album in a week (lets just say this imaginary band had the songs ready and had just come back from tour ready to go). Now imagine ONE single person doing it all? Insanity. I doubt any record company would take the risk of booking an exorbitant amount of studio time for someone to complete an album solo who was completely unknown at the time. Now, If you were a starving musician and someone paid you not to be credited would you take it? The answer would probably be most likely yes.

Now that's an interesting take. I hadn't really thought of that as a possibility.