OldFriends4Sale said:

Bohemian67 said:

Enjoying someone's youth when it synched with your own but denouncing their talent when their path strays from your own is more a matter of 'I want it my way only.' Nothing stays the same in life, change is the only constant. So hanging on to yesterday and moaning & asking why it doesn't look/sound like today is apart from a waste of time, rather narrow minded in my opinion.

And as for the bashing of the associates, well, I guess some people just have nothing better to do. Some things are not worth understanding.

For me it's not Prince being the Prince of Dirty Mind or Purple Rain

It's the deliverance, show me that you believe in the album you put out

Don't tell me to appreciate it, when you won't even perform half the songs from an album

Put out some good videos and don't throw out songs like Hot Summer and Rich Friends and tell me I should be grateful. I appreciate Prince from 1976 till now, just give quality.

I want to hear Prince, not covers.

Ok OFFS, so it's not the old Prince music you want but the deliverance.

It's an incredible statement to make that you know that Prince doesn't 'believe in' his own output.

Has Prince ever told anyone 'appreciate it' (fans maybe encourage you do so yes)? In the Vegas tour, didn't Prince do tracks from TRC. In the Musicology tour didn't he do tracks from that album? In the 3121 tour, didn't he do tracks from that album and also lets include ONA.? 20Ten was an EU only cd. He's done Laydown and Future soul song. Have you ever thought about the fact that Prince just might be older and that this deliverance is still Prince and he believes in it?

A 25-35 year old Prince jumped around in bikini briefs, did wild and wonderful things on stage and had all the energy of youth as a peaking celebrity. You feel that was 'believing' in his output. So with TRC what did you expect in deliverance? That he come out with the new Translation and show his new beliefs in acting form? What do expect from 'deliverance' which shows enough to convince you and others that he 'believes' in his ideas? Criticism is weak without constructive ideas on how to improve, but I never hear any of them on the org. Only that fans want their own genre of music played, with their beliefs not Prince's. One doesn't have to like it but what's the point in always complaining? (and I don't mean you, I mean generally)

Good videos, quality etc etc. All subjective. I don't know what you do in your job or others here in the org, but I gather we are all in professions where we reach a certain glass ceiling of our optimal performance and it's hard if not impossible to really break through. How does a CFO or a CEO improve? What must they do differently? A trial lawyer litigator who wins trial after trial as he knows the law books, how can he improve. He can only go on winning, he doesn't do anything differently.

Art has opportunity to do things differently. Prince is in a position where he can make the music that moves him. I've said it before, why should he be a puppet to the fans? He doesn't have a boss, he is his own boss. Would you like to sit in a dead end job doing the same old thing day in day out? Prince can break that circle and he does by experimenting and making what he wants. It's a great liberty, but not one others appreciate.

Hot summer, Rich friends are like diary notes from Prince. Be lucky he shares anything at all. He's under absolutely no obligation. It says where he is on his journey in life. He's also just a person you know. And it might be an annoying fact, but with or without out another cd in our lifetime, Prince will still sell-out arenas.

Bohemian67 said:

funkomatic said:

Why keep looking into the past? What does Prince's setlists look like? If it wasn't for the past, I wouldn't be a Prince fan anymore, that's for sure.

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Prince takes his hits around the world because that's what the majority of people who come to his concerts want to hear. Lets say over his 6 concerts in Oz 100 thousand people (rough guess) probably more attended. That you have a 100 maximum die-hard orgers that complain about set lists with old hits, is barely something Prince should take into consideration when planning his set-lists, especially when he hasn't played in a country for year.

Great that you're a fan of the 'past' Prince. What a pity you don't hear anything new in the music or appreciate the fact that he dares to venture into different sounds.

Sell out around the world.

I expect a musician to care about his artistic integrity
and not what the audience might want.

In the case of Prince it's pretty obvious that he hasn't anything musically interesting or new to say. That's why he doesn't mind to play his oldies shows year after year.

In the end: People would go to his concerts anyway, even if he would mix it up a little with old and new.

funkyhead said:

Now before you all flame me to death I will state that I include myself in the subject header.

Lets get some facts straight, there are very few artists who work as hard as P does, there's always a tour, always new music and frankly rarely a dull moment to be had. Hell he's even giving out jams for free. The debate about quality [old days vs. new] or 'we have the right to complain' is of course valid - all opinions count BUT give the purple dog a frikkin bone every now and again!!.

I despair, any associate females are totally ripped apart, any free stuff is ripped apart [fair enough but at least a 'thankyou for the freebie' should be dished out!], associated artists can't breathe without every word being ripped apart, set lists on tours are analysed to death and....ripped apart [forget the fact that he at least bothers to rework old hits to give them a bit of life].

I can moan on and on but I 'd like to think at as we get older as a community we can perhaps get a bit more dignity and above all else be a bit more diplomatic, less intense and just fuckin' chill?

One note to end on, if you were Prince would you look at the org comments over the years and continue to work / be creative or would you just think 'fuck it, no more candy 4u' !!

I hear u but this is on Prince 4 several reasons.

1. The greatest hits tours is NOT cutting it.

2. The religious Dogma is overshadowing the art.

3. The wacky band members gotta go.

4. Larry Scram.

5. The cryptic talk after 35 years has played way the hell out.

6. Prince needs 2 stick 2 his words or keep quiet. That nonsense with LotusFlow3r was not cool.

7. All of the distribution experiments have left folks confused.

8. Larry Scram.

EyeJester7 said:

Bohemian67 said:

Nothing stays the same in life, change is the only constant. So hanging on to yesterday and moaning & asking why it doesn't look/sound like today is apart from a waste of time, rather narrow minded in my opinion.

I so agree with your post! SPOT ON! I mean, why keep looking into the past? You detailed my very words well!

Glad I could give something back I'm still listening to some new songs you mentioned and will report back to your thread funky man!

Bohemian67 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

For me it's not Prince being the Prince of Dirty Mind or Purple Rain

It's the deliverance, show me that you believe in the album you put out

Don't tell me to appreciate it, when you won't even perform half the songs from an album

Put out some good videos and don't throw out songs like Hot Summer and Rich Friends and tell me I should be grateful. I appreciate Prince from 1976 till now, just give quality.

I want to hear Prince, not covers.

Ok OFFS, so it's not the old Prince music you want but the deliverance.

It's an incredible statement to make that you know that Prince doesn't 'believe in' his own output.

Has Prince ever told anyone 'appreciate it' (fans maybe encourage you do so yes)? In the Vegas tour, didn't Prince do tracks from TRC. In the Musicology tour didn't he do tracks from that album? In the 3121 tour, didn't he do tracks from that album and also lets include ONA.? 20Ten was an EU only cd. He's done Laydown and Future soul song. Have you ever thought about the fact that Prince just might be older and that this deliverance is still Prince and he believes in it?

A 25-35 year old Prince jumped around in bikini briefs, did wild and wonderful things on stage and had all the energy of youth as a peaking celebrity. You feel that was 'believing' in his output. So with TRC what did you expect in deliverance? That he come out with the new Translation and show his new beliefs in acting form? What do expect from 'deliverance' which shows enough to convince you and others that he 'believes' in his ideas? Criticism is weak without constructive ideas on how to improve, but I never hear any of them on the org. Only that fans want their own genre of music played, with their beliefs not Prince's. One doesn't have to like it but what's the point in always complaining? (and I don't mean you, I mean generally)

Good videos, quality etc etc. All subjective. I don't know what you do in your job or others here in the org, but I gather we are all in professions where we reach a certain glass ceiling of our optimal performance and it's hard if not impossible to really break through. How does a CFO or a CEO improve? What must they do differently? A trial lawyer litigator who wins trial after trial as he knows the law books, how can he improve. He can only go on winning, he doesn't do anything differently.

Art has opportunity to do things differently. Prince is in a position where he can make the music that moves him. I've said it before, why should he be a puppet to the fans? He doesn't have a boss, he is his own boss. Would you like to sit in a dead end job doing the same old thing day in day out? Prince can break that circle and he does by experimenting and making what he wants. It's a great liberty, but not one others appreciate.

Hot summer, Rich friends are like diary notes from Prince. Be lucky he shares anything at all. He's under absolutely no obligation. It says where he is on his journey in life. He's also just a person you know. And it might be an annoying fact, but with or without out another cd in our lifetime, Prince will still sell-out arenas.

Well you've started out your post with a wrong quote. I said:show me that you believe in the album you put out. I can go thru set lists of his songs and not see most or half the songs on the current or recently past album

This is a very different thing that you are saying I am saying: It's an incredible statement to make that you know that Prince doesn't 'believe in' his own output.

I'm saying I want to hear Prince music current or past. I'm one that actually enjoys 20Ten How many songs has he performed in his concerts from his 3 disc set of LotusFlower MinnSound & Elixer, outside of Guitar how many from Planet Earth and so on.

I've not made any statement I want to only hear from a specific era. But when you setlist continues to list U Got the Look Lets Go Crazy Take Me With U, Purple Rain

Your 2nd paragraph is totally wrong, I already said I don't want to see a Dirty Mind Prince and then you go ahead and say:A 25-35 year old Prince jumped around in bikini briefs, did wild and wonderful things on stage and had all the energy of youth as a peaking celebrity. You feel that was 'believing' in his output.

It's hard to respond to your post because you're putting words in my mouth.

Where did I say jumping around in bikini briefs being wild is believing in his output??

Please show me where I said that?

I was specific in what I'm talking about I'm talking about continuity in videos and circulating Prince music in shows and concerts.

I was specific in saying, you have a wide range of music, play Prince music, not covers. Educate the listeners on Prince music.

Now where did I say he needs to be like Dirty Mind Prince to show he believes in his work.

You can end up getting stale if you continue to do the same things over and over and fight against your popularity, Work with your fans, they are the ones that will put money in your pocket. Open yourself up to packaging a concert/aftershow DVD

Your arguement I really don't get, I don't want Prince to be a puppet, I want him to freely play music that isn't "Popular" or "the Hits" the people that are trying to make him puppet, would be people who only want that.

Please, Hot Summer & Rich Friends is stuff you let people find after you pass away. I don't feel lucky he shared that. I still will put my money out and buy and album. It's the fans that put money in his pocket not the other way around.

If Prince doesn't open creativity he'll just turn into another Review act doing covers. Talking about so many hits so little time.

funkomatic said:

Bohemian67 said:

Prince takes his hits around the world because that's what the majority of people who come to his concerts want to hear. Lets say over his 6 concerts in Oz 100 thousand people (rough guess) probably more attended. That you have a 100 maximum die-hard orgers that complain about set lists with old hits, is barely something Prince should take into consideration when planning his set-lists, especially when he hasn't played in a country for year.

Great that you're a fan of the 'past' Prince. What a pity you don't hear anything new in the music or appreciate the fact that he dares to venture into different sounds.

Sell out around the world.

I expect a musician to care about his artistic integrity
and not what the audience might want.

In the case of Prince it's pretty obvious that he hasn't anything musically interesting or new to say. That's why he doesn't mind to play his oldies shows year after year.

In the end: People would go to his concerts anyway, even if he would mix it up a little with old and new.

This is what I'm talking about.

EyeJester7 said:

Bohemian67 said:

I don't know if 'spoilt and ungrateful' are the right words. What's amusing is that if one doesn't like something, enough to call it 'runny poo,' why on earth would you continue to put yourself through s***?

Opinions may differ but being a critic doesn't mean one has to be abusive or rude. I do applaud our new youthful fan's approach to these people with his 'haterade' phrase. Leave him alone, what does it matter how long he has been a fan? It's just age discrimination and descrimination is UGLY. I swear the cynicism and bitterness on here by some, sounds like some are 80 years old.

Enjoying someone's youth when it synched with your own but denouncing their talent when their path strays from your own is more a matter of 'I want it my way only.' Nothing stays the same in life, change is the only constant. So hanging on to yesterday and moaning & asking why it doesn't look/sound like today is apart from a waste of time, rather narrow minded in my opinion.

And as for the bashing of the associates, well, I guess some people just have nothing better to do. Some things are not worth understanding.

I so agree with your post! SPOT ON! I mean, why keep looking into the past? You detailed my very words well!

But many fans are saying give us a good mix, you can't tell me that most shows he plays "the Hits" which tend to be mostly from his 1980's poss early 90's period. So who is looking in the past.

Is it not Prince who does covers of soul songs from the past? To educate people on good music? So his 2000's music is good? Nothing from 20Ten? Nothing from LotusFlower Elixer MinnSound? Hell play Rich Friends

when prince plays creep .. its awesome

when prince plays dance with me in the disco heat .. i want to hurl

prince played creep like ..... ONCE .. disco heat ... like 300 times ..

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well you've started out your post with a wrong quote. I said:show me that you believe in the album you put out. I can go thru set lists of his songs and not see most or half the songs on the current or recently past album

This is a very different thing that you are saying I am saying: It's an incredible statement to make that you know that Prince doesn't 'believe in' his own output.

But still the insinuation in what you've said is that he is not doing so. ie. not showing you that he believes in what he's doing and I do not think there is a single person on this board who can say he doesn't believe in what he's doing. No one knows him and it's a huge insult to tell an artist he doesn't believe in what he does. Especially one with a stature of Prince.

I'm saying I want to hear Prince music current or past. I'm one that actually enjoys 20Ten How many songs has he performed in his concerts from his 3 disc set of LotusFlower MinnSound & Elixer, outside of Guitar how many from Planet Earth and so on.

I've not made any statement I want to only hear from a specific era. But when you setlist continues to list U Got the Look Lets Go Crazy Take Me With U, Purple Rain

When last did Prince do just a hits tour around the world? Has he ever done it before?

Your 2nd paragraph is totally wrong, I already said I don't want to see a Dirty Mind Prince and then you go ahead and say:A 25-35 year old Prince jumped around in bikini briefs, did wild and wonderful things on stage and had all the energy of youth as a peaking celebrity. You feel that was 'believing' in his output.

It's hard to respond to your post because you're putting words in my mouth.

Where did I say jumping around in bikini briefs being wild is believing in his output??

Please show me where I said that?

I misread your quote then sorry. (I'm half watching Holland lose to Germany!) Let's face it though, there are others who prefer that 'delivery' from Prince. I exclude you.

I was specific in what I'm talking about I'm talking about continuity in videos and circulating Prince music in shows and concerts.

I was specific in saying, you have a wide range of music, play Prince music, not covers. Educate the listeners on Prince music.

Now where did I say he needs to be like Dirty Mind Prince to show he believes in his work.

You can end up getting stale if you continue to do the same things over and over and fight against your popularity, Work with your fans, they are the ones that will put money in your pocket. Open yourself up to packaging a concert/aftershow DVD

Do you mean you don't like the way he distributes and that he doesn't produce enough videos? If I were Prince, and making videos was only an expense delivering little in income I wouldn't make videos either. That he has some and doesn't release, that's a pity but maybe he's just fed up with the criticism. Did you hear the lyrics to 'Only heaven knows?' Or see it? I'd hardly call that stale. You call the NSJ sessions stale?

Prince is 54, I presume that he believes in music and that means he's going to honour other musicians by doing their stuff. Again if I was Prince and I saw so much criticism of my recent work, I really wouldn't bother rehearsing what 100 fans on Prince org wanted. Prince has opened up to his music on you-tube. Live concerts no and I don't like it but I understand it. I do not beleive that the few hundred people here on the org put the money in Prince's pocket. I think Prince's $ is so big, we can't comprehend it. There are so many on youtube - for free, what are we complaining about???????? What do laywers do different to become better lawyers? There are only 8 notes in a scale and a set amount of chords. Prince is doing what he believes in. He's helping Andy Allo, Janelle Monae (helped), Esperanza Spalding, introducing us to Andy McKee. His music tastes have broadened. I call that doing different things. Things he wants. Maybe he lived long enough for his fans, can't blame him for that. There's one person that can make you happy in life and that's you. 'The only thing that can save you, is you!'

Your arguement I really don't get, I don't want Prince to be a puppet, I want him to freely play music that isn't "Popular" or "the Hits" the people that are trying to make him puppet, would be people who only want that.

I disagree. People that go to the concerts (the 1000s) are not the few 100 on the org. Those 1000s do not use Prince as a puppet, Prince just understands that the 'market' requires generic factors. i.e. Hits

Please, Hot Summer & Rich Friends is stuff you let people find after you pass away. I don't feel lucky he shared that. I still will put my money out and buy and album. It's the fans that put money in his pocket not the other way around.

If Prince doesn't open creativity he'll just turn into another Review act doing covers. Talking about so many hits so little time.

So again it shows, that when Prince just shares what 'he wants' to share, it's not good enough for the org fans. I think the fans don't cut him enough slack. He's branched out into genres i.e. jazzy blues, religious lyrics and some of his fans don't dig that, fair enough. But accept it. By the way TRC was in 2001. Were 3121, Musicology, 20Ten religiously zealous? Fans are still whining about TRC. 11 years ago? Good Lord is all I can say. What decade are we living in?

He's not happy with the way the music industry is organised, fair enough, he has a point. You liked 20Ten, me too, there was some creative stuff on there for sure. Think of past artists, Leonardo da Vinci, Mozart, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Leo Tolstoy etc etc....how much of their artistic catalogue is known by society today? Prince and artists are not machines. It's an exaggeration to say he'll end up a 'review act doing covers.' Gee come on OFFS his tour down under was pretty successful wouldn't you say?

OldFriends4Sale said:

funkomatic said:

Sell out around the world.

I expect a musician to care about his artistic integrity
and not what the audience might want.

In the case of Prince it's pretty obvious that he hasn't anything musically interesting or new to say. That's why he doesn't mind to play his oldies shows year after year.

In the end: People would go to his concerts anyway, even if he would mix it up a little with old and new.

This is what I'm talking about.

And that's exactly what I mean. To insinuate that an artist does not care about his artistic integrity is just WOW!!! As if we know!

But I think differently. I think Prince cares more about his 'integrity' today that he ever did. Whether you think that is artistic or not is like modern art. Subjective and down to indivdual taste.

the main problem with prince music is that he still thinks he has integrity

shure he believes in himself .. he could use a little self doubt to help align and tune up his shit detector .. completely out of touch with how bad he sounds at times

Is it fair to say that we are spoilt & ungrateful fans?

You can call it what you will but If I were Prince, no way in hell would I even want fans like the majority here.

Yes

Dewrede said:

thedance said:

spoiled?

we haven't got a real great (brilliant) album from Prince since TGE in 1995.

no, we can't be spoiled then, imo.

Go listen to Rainbow Children , 3121 and Lotusflow3r

TGE is overrated as hell

^

ok Rainbow Children is great (but still not that great)

TRC ok album, it's great but not excellent.. 8 or MAYBE - on a good day - even a 9

3121 is soo bad... only a few stand out tracks 5

LotusF maximum 8

I guess we can't agree,

The Gold Experience is the bomb 10/10,

the Sign O The Times of the 90s. I love every single note (even We March).

And I love the production, Prince is a great producer, the sound on this is fantastic.

The bad production started on: Emancipation. imho.

Bohemian67 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is what I'm talking about.

And that's exactly what I mean. To insinuate that an artist does not care about his artistic integrity is just WOW!!! As if we know!

But I think differently. I think Prince cares more about his 'integrity' today that he ever did. Whether you think that is artistic or not is like modern art. Subjective and down to indivdual taste.

Maybe so, but don't throw out Rich Friends Purple & Gold & Hot Summer and tell me you care about artistic integrity WOW on that yes I think I know

lets compare prince with artistic integrity to prince without

with : The moon up above, it shines down upon our skin
Whispering words that scream of outrageous sin
We all want the stuff that's found in our wildest dreams
It gets kinda rough in the back of our limousine

without : Don't blame it on yo jockstrap full of jizz
Mentality so insane

with : no one plays the clarinet the way you play my heart

without : U're gettin dirty at the club again
I'm usually round Ur waist like a chain but then,

with : all the flowers that u planted mama, in the back yard , all died when you went away

without : Eye've got something that U won't know how 2 handle
U can tell me na-uh but U know how this man do

with : is it silly no when a rocket blows and everybody still wants to fly, some say man aint happy truely till a man truely dies

without : To say this name borders on blasphemy
Everybody wanna be me
If your girlfriend didn't have the surgery
Maybe she could see what I see .... huh?

with : if a man is considered guilty for what goes on in his mind give me the electric chair for all my future crimes

without : Would U please look at this mother next 2 me
Frontin' more booty than Peru got keys

prince with integrity can touch you with a phrase .. prince without integrity comes with lyrics that mean nothing to nobody .. prince knows full well his lyrics are shit ... wtf? does he care about his integrity .. no .. he would have left bea arthurs wardrobe at home if he did .. does he want his fans to buy his records even tho they suck .. yes .. he knows you will so he just craps them out from time to time .. he knows they suck .. how could he not?

very good post ^^^

TrevorAyer said:

lets compare prince with artistic integrity to prince without

with : The moon up above, it shines down upon our skin
Whispering words that scream of outrageous sin
We all want the stuff that's found in our wildest dreams
It gets kinda rough in the back of our limousine

without : Don't blame it on yo jockstrap full of jizz
Mentality so insane

with : no one plays the clarinet the way you play my heart

without : U're gettin dirty at the club again
I'm usually round Ur waist like a chain but then,

with : all the flowers that u planted mama, in the back yard , all died when you went away

without : Eye've got something that U won't know how 2 handle
U can tell me na-uh but U know how this man do

with : is it silly no when a rocket blows and everybody still wants to fly, some say man aint happy truely till a man truely dies

without : To say this name borders on blasphemy
Everybody wanna be me
If your girlfriend didn't have the surgery
Maybe she could see what I see .... huh?

with : if a man is considered guilty for what goes on in his mind give me the electric chair for all my future crimes

without : Would U please look at this mother next 2 me
Frontin' more booty than Peru got keys

prince with integrity can touch you with a phrase .. prince without integrity comes with lyrics that mean nothing to nobody .. prince knows full well his lyrics are shit ... wtf? does he care about his integrity .. no .. he would have left bea arthurs wardrobe at home if he did .. does he want his fans to buy his records even tho they suck .. yes .. he knows you will so he just craps them out from time to time .. he knows they suck .. how could he not?

TrevorAyer said:

lets compare prince with artistic integrity to prince without

with : The moon up above, it shines down upon our skin
Whispering words that scream of outrageous sin
We all want the stuff that's found in our wildest dreams
It gets kinda rough in the back of our limousine

without : Don't blame it on yo jockstrap full of jizz
Mentality so insane

with : no one plays the clarinet the way you play my heart

without : U're gettin dirty at the club again
I'm usually round Ur waist like a chain but then,

with : all the flowers that u planted mama, in the back yard , all died when you went away

without : Eye've got something that U won't know how 2 handle
U can tell me na-uh but U know how this man do

with : is it silly no when a rocket blows and everybody still wants to fly, some say man aint happy truely till a man truely dies

without : To say this name borders on blasphemy
Everybody wanna be me
If your girlfriend didn't have the surgery
Maybe she could see what I see .... huh?

with : if a man is considered guilty for what goes on in his mind give me the electric chair for all my future crimes

without : Would U please look at this mother next 2 me
Frontin' more booty than Peru got keys

prince with integrity can touch you with a phrase .. prince without integrity comes with lyrics that mean nothing to nobody .. prince knows full well his lyrics are shit ... wtf? does he care about his integrity .. no .. he would have left bea arthurs wardrobe at home if he did .. does he want his fans to buy his records even tho they suck .. yes .. he knows you will so he just craps them out from time to time .. he knows they suck .. how could he not?

lol, you know there's someone out there about to hit with dodgy lyrics from back in the day and pure poetry from now !.

The only thing that has spoiled is Princes talent.

No, that's no entirely true, he still showed that he can focus with parts of 3121 and Guitar, but that's the last good song he brought out, Guitar.

Even in his own concerts Prince rarely performs much past about 1995-96. I think it speaks volumes that the hottest song at Prince's concerts of late has been his rendition of Cool (sort of proving that even his protege tracks from thirty years ago are better then the garbage he releases now). And even Cool only really made it into the show after Snoop Dog pumped some life into it with his cover version.

I actually think that concert wise, Prince has been knocking it out of the park lately, but on disc, I'll only buy his new albums for the sake of being a completest and I'm a retarded huge Prince fan.

no. we aren't spoiled. basically, prince is lucky he has us

[Edited 6/14/12 9:24am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bohemian67 said:

And that's exactly what I mean. To insinuate that an artist does not care about his artistic integrity is just WOW!!! As if we know!

But I think differently. I think Prince cares more about his 'integrity' today that he ever did. Whether you think that is artistic or not is like modern art. Subjective and down to indivdual taste.

Maybe so, but don't throw out Rich Friends Purple & Gold & Hot Summer and tell me you care about artistic integrity WOW on that yes I think I know

How can you throw in freebies and a song written for a football team to judge whether Prince has artistic creativity or not? One goes to a restaurant, is not happy about the food and complains. Then they decide to throw onto the complaint that the seat is too hard, the service is not good and the parking outside isn't convenient. We all know what kind of a client that is. A pass with flying colours in 'good moaning good moaning.'

Lets see what many fans on here think where Prince is failing -

His concert clothes

His new music

His freebies

His concerts

His playlists

His lyrics

His production

His lack of videos

His lack of good videos

His religion

His friends

His band choice.....

His arrogant personality

His cryptic talk

His bad interviews

His ladies

Prince, if I were you, I'd find a really high bridge. And don't take a parachute

Not only are Prince fans spoiled and ungrateful at times they're also under the delusion that they get a say in what he chooses to do, a bloated sense of entitlement that is unrealistic.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bohemian67 said:

And that's exactly what I mean. To insinuate that an artist does not care about his artistic integrity is just WOW!!! As if we know!

But I think differently. I think Prince cares more about his 'integrity' today that he ever did. Whether you think that is artistic or not is like modern art. Subjective and down to indivdual taste.

Maybe so, but don't throw out Rich Friends Purple & Gold & Hot Summer and tell me you care about artistic integrity WOW on that yes I think I know

Purple & Gold was written for a football team to be played at a stadium and probably never to be heard outside of those in attendance. We (the fanbase) gave it more of a life than it deserved. Prince didn't even release it to radio the way he did with Rich Friends & Hot Summer. I didn't care for Rich Friends but Hot Summer is a harmless little pop song meant to make you think of days in the sun chilling with your friends, it wasn't trying to be an anthem.

XxAxX said:

no. we aren't spoiled. basically, prince is lucky he has us

[Edited 6/14/12 9:24am]

LOL I agree

HonestMan13 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Maybe so, but don't throw out Rich Friends Purple & Gold & Hot Summer and tell me you care about artistic integrity WOW on that yes I think I know

Purple & Gold was written for a football team to be played at a stadium and probably never to be heard outside of those in attendance. We (the fanbase) gave it more of a life than it deserved. Prince didn't even release it to radio the way he did with Rich Friends & Hot Summer. I didn't care for Rich Friends but Hot Summer is a harmless little pop song meant to make you think of days in the sun chilling with your friends, it wasn't trying to be an anthem.

art is art, no matter how small or large the crowd, the purpose is still the same

Hot Summer yes was harmless, but it was so easy for Prince that to me it fell beneath

I liked Turn Me Loose, like the lyrics, And I actually like 20Ten a lot of it

I'm happy with what I get out of a 54 year old artist.

I enjoy all the material.

The gigs are still better than anything out there.

Sure I would prefer something of the quality of SOTT, or a tour that mixes it up ,but for me, Prince has gone from an 10 out of 10, to a 7 out of ten, not a zero like some fans think.

There is at least one track on every release that is up there with the best in my eyes. Prince's mediocre material is still better than 99% of the market.

My hope is that he ups his output of new and unreleased material. I would rather have a new album than a nine track Purple Rain remaster.

I'm not bothered about video or merchadise. Its about the music for me.

I think Prince is an annoying little sod, but I'd rather follow, buy and see him, rather than suffer the limited output from the likes of Bowie, Stones, Stevie etc.

see now if you really love prince than you don't let him go on embarrassing himself in public .. try to nudge him in the right direction.

prince used to walk around in his lil underoos .. yeah that's a little uncomfortable for some people .. the assless pants .. again .. those things border on self humiliation in a certain context .. however .. in those instances I have to commend him for going all out.

But the sad and sorry fact is that assless pants are far less embarassing then most of his post name change lyrics. Not in a good way. Not in a way that is changing how people think or revolutionizing music, but in a .. why is the mozart of our time trying to sound like bevis and butthead .. and sell it as hip swagger .. it's just beyond juvenile and lacks any charm ..

i just can't relate to a song where the chorus is "this is the future soul song" .. otherwise the song is great .. but the 2 words .. purple rain .. conjur up universes filled with meaning and emotion .. future soul song .. wtf .. nothing .. why even put a chorus in there .. just do more ooo eee ooohs .. anything would be better than telling us what the title to the song that he couldn't think of an actual title to is. future soul songs is a category in some new age crystal shop jukebox ..

and he raps like his mouth is full of marbles ..

please we all love this guy .. we got to work together to help him snap out of it ..

i guess that sums it up for me ..

his songs are very busy desribing what things are instead of being what they are

like saying .. this is the future soul song .. instead of being the soul song from the future

reminds me of that horror show .. i am the cyber single that is me .. wtf?

sounds like a saturday morning cartoon theme song ..

will the real prince that does not have to tell us how awesome he is because he just is please return to record .. maybe bobgeorge could lay the dead on it and keep MC ICED - P off the next record.