when prince puts out a record with zero rapping and some worthwhile lyrics ... you can thank me for all my bitchin

i will even make a bet that when he does .. you will admit that it's probably the best thing he has done in 20 years

Personally I think his business dealings that affect fans and any music by himself or assocites are all fair game for discussion - positive or negative. I have no idea why people even bother with the rest.

Bohemian67 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well you've started out your post with a wrong quote. I said:show me that you believe in the album you put out. I can go thru set lists of his songs and not see most or half the songs on the current or recently past album

This is a very different thing that you are saying I am saying: It's an incredible statement to make that you know that Prince doesn't 'believe in' his own output.

But still the insinuation in what you've said is that he is not doing so. ie. not showing you that he believes in what he's doing and I do not think there is a single person on this board who can say he doesn't believe in what he's doing. No one knows him and it's a huge insult to tell an artist he doesn't believe in what he does. Especially one with a stature of Prince.

I disagree. People that go to the concerts (the 1000s) are not the few 100 on the org. Those 1000s do not use Prince as a puppet, Prince just understands that the 'market' requires generic factors. i.e. Hits

Please, Hot Summer & Rich Friends is stuff you let people find after you pass away. I don't feel lucky he shared that. I still will put my money out and buy and album. It's the fans that put money in his pocket not the other way around.

If Prince doesn't open creativity he'll just turn into another Review act doing covers. Talking about so many hits so little time.

So again it shows, that when Prince just shares what 'he wants' to share, it's not good enough for the org fans. I think the fans don't cut him enough slack. He's branched out into genres i.e. jazzy blues, religious lyrics and some of his fans don't dig that, fair enough. But accept it. By the way TRC was in 2001. Were 3121, Musicology, 20Ten religiously zealous? Fans are still whining about TRC. 11 years ago? Good Lord is all I can say. What decade are we living in?

He's not happy with the way the music industry is organised, fair enough, he has a point. You liked 20Ten, me too, there was some creative stuff on there for sure. Think of past artists, Leonardo da Vinci, Mozart, Beethoven, Shakespeare, Leo Tolstoy etc etc....how much of their artistic catalogue is known by society today? Prince and artists are not machines. It's an exaggeration to say he'll end up a 'review act doing covers.' Gee come on OFFS his tour down under was pretty successful wouldn't you say?

I might not be an artist such as Prince but I am an artist. And I wouldn't call something an insult if someone had a certain opinion about what I'm doing. I mean it really does depend on what it is but. A story of situation where I gave my mother a mothers day card, and she looked at it and returned it to me saying thank you but that isn't you, that's not the quality artist you are. And I was not insulted at all, "...its the thought that counts" wasn't working in that situation. And I understood what she meant. From that day on it influenced everything I do, I make sure I give quality whether someone sees or knows or not.

I personally would rather Prince do what he's doing know, take a year or 2 from putting out a record and get some fresh ideas, and give some quality music. I'd rather a disc of 5 good songs than a double disc of music you won't even play live.

Now, I understand that need to play the Hit's, i've never said he shouldn't. Just mix it up more. And being a JW is not a reason not to play songs, because he has a huge catalogue of music that doesn't need censuring. From Parade ATWIAD SOTT & Lovesexy, especially Lovesexy

How about more from the 1st 2 albums.

I think it's unfair to put someone in a class of being an P.org fan. I had my opinions before I became a member on the P.org You are an P.org fan too remember.

I cut him a lot of slack, I look for tracks throught his albums that I like and those that feel like Prince music to me. Again I like 20Ten, I like LotusFlower over MinnSound and Elixer, Why don't we hear more of this, why not have the 3 ladies sings these songs on your tours & shows instead of covers of other peoples songs...

Rainbow Children is in my top 10 fav Prince albums

I would say a lot of those artists you mentioned are known well throught society and at different levels. People you wouldn't think would know Mozart or Shakespear are familiar with them and incorporate their art in their lives.

Yes, his tour is pretty successful. Many "review acts" are too, on the festival cuircut

My last thought on this is that I believe in Prince's music. I loved Rainbow Children, it felt to me like Prince music, Musicology was cool, but some kind of branching out of the Rainbow Children would probably have been more genuine to me(to me) But I know he has to make money.

And

Zannaloaf post # 91 is a huge thing as well. Probably moreso.

How many fans paid money(how much was it) on the LotusFlow3r.com site and not get what they were promised? Was it Prince who was ungrateful for that cash he got? Where the fans even those on the P.org who spent the money "spoiled" and unsupportive?

HonestMan13 said:

Not only are Prince fans spoiled and ungrateful at times they're also under the delusion that they get a say in what he chooses to do, a bloated sense of entitlement that is unrealistic.

The apples don't fall far from the tree.

Prince & his fans are more allike than we want to.

dJJ said:

HonestMan13 said:

Not only are Prince fans spoiled and ungrateful at times they're also under the delusion that they get a say in what he chooses to do, a bloated sense of entitlement that is unrealistic.

The apples don't fall far from the tree.

Prince & his fans are more allike than we want to.

Prince needs his fans to further his lifestyle. His fans do not need him to further theirs. If a fan doesn't like what Prince is doing(in any scope) the best way to show it is to close the wallet! Prince isn't lining any fans pocket.

tricky99 said:

TrevorAyer said:

actually we as listeners have other options .. we can give feedback .. and yes the internet has afforded fan access to the actual performers like never before .. it's not unreasonable to think each person can have influence .. prince would do well to heed some feedback .. he has good ideas but keeps ruining them .. and he has noone in his band who will give him honest feedback .. either that or they actually like when prince raps .. which does not bode well either ..

some of us don't want prince to be a fucking joke anymore .. assless pants joke is fine .. name change joke is fine .. but musical joke is not acceptable .. and with each record prince tries to make himself more and more musically irrelevant .. and embarrassing .. i want to know why .. its a fact and its a sad fact .. we as prince fans owe it to prince to help him gain respect again .. not the prince WAS great respect but just ignore the last 20 years .. but real respect .. so that his name means something again .. prince fans have spoilt prince and i am just saying .. stop spoiling prince assholes .. you are ruining the music because he actually thinks his rapping and lite jazz is good and its not .. you know damn well in a few years you wont be listening to anything but the wb catalog .. stop lying to prince and yourself

You really do have an inflated opinion of yourself don't you? I imagine Prince raps because he likes to rap. That is his choice. I do not begrudge him that option whether I love it or hate it. We all have opinions (and they cover the entire spectrum) so why would/should Prince pay attention to you when Sally or Kenny have completely other views? You have a delusion that what you think matters to Prince when in reality you are just another nut in the peanut gallery yelling at him.

You should be much more concerned about your own legacy then Prince's. How many more awards and hit records would it take for his legacy to be fine in your book? What if the next record you absolutely love and the rest of us say its "pure shit"?

I have to varying degrees found enjoyment in every album Prince has produced. So why do you feel the need to speak for everybody when in fact your opinion is just that one person's opinion? There is something very twisted about trying pigeon hole anybody creatively. Prince simply isn't your taste anymore. The problem is completey yours.

the guy is simply trolling. He even tried to discredit prince writing "when doves cry" by saying that the song was great because of the drum machines. He further claimed that the song was in context of the "revolution years" even though the revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the song. According to him, everything prince has ever done is a "collaboration" and that prince is some sort of coffeehouse musician who just got lucky.

hhhhdmt said:

tricky99 said:

You really do have an inflated opinion of yourself don't you? I imagine Prince raps because he likes to rap. That is his choice. I do not begrudge him that option whether I love it or hate it. We all have opinions (and they cover the entire spectrum) so why would/should Prince pay attention to you when Sally or Kenny have completely other views? You have a delusion that what you think matters to Prince when in reality you are just another nut in the peanut gallery yelling at him.

You should be much more concerned about your own legacy then Prince's. How many more awards and hit records would it take for his legacy to be fine in your book? What if the next record you absolutely love and the rest of us say its "pure shit"?

I have to varying degrees found enjoyment in every album Prince has produced. So why do you feel the need to speak for everybody when in fact your opinion is just that one person's opinion? There is something very twisted about trying pigeon hole anybody creatively. Prince simply isn't your taste anymore. The problem is completey yours.

the guy is simply trolling. He even tried to discredit prince writing "when doves cry" by saying that the song was great because of the drum machines. He further claimed that the song was in context of the "revolution years" even though the revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the song. According to him, everything prince has ever done is a "collaboration" and that prince is some sort of coffeehouse musician who just got lucky.

I don't know much about that guys posts, but anyone who thoinks that Prince is not essentially collaborating wioth those around him- even if by association- doesn't get how thigns work. ANY creative person is influenced by the creative people they hang out wih. You don'y have to have someone paint, write or play on something for them to have been part of it. I don't believe anyone creates in a bubble. With Prince it's pretty easy to hear what the group around him does as far as influence. If you can't at least acknowledge that, I don't believe you are really listening. Of course that's my opinion.

HonestMan13 said:

dJJ said:

The apples don't fall far from the tree.

Prince & his fans are more allike than we want to.

Prince needs his fans to further his lifestyle. His fans do not need him to further theirs. If a fan doesn't like what Prince is doing(in any scope) the best way to show it is to close the wallet! Prince isn't lining any fans pocket.

Yeah it's symbiotic, Prince's music has been a part of our lifestyle and we to him. He enriched our lives and if the revenue from his music and performances allows him to enjoy his life too and continue his work, all the better.

And if fans stop enjoying his work, it trickles up, it works the same way too. But I don't think it matters anymore. He is a living legend now and for all intents and purposes, his music has gone above and beyond what any fan is entitled to. What we are getting now from him now is just a bonus. I diss his newer music sometimes but know it's just time catching up with him.

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Zannaloaf said:

hhhhdmt said:

the guy is simply trolling. He even tried to discredit prince writing "when doves cry" by saying that the song was great because of the drum machines. He further claimed that the song was in context of the "revolution years" even though the revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the song. According to him, everything prince has ever done is a "collaboration" and that prince is some sort of coffeehouse musician who just got lucky.

I don't know much about that guys posts, but anyone who thoinks that Prince is not essentially collaborating wioth those around him- even if by association- doesn't get how thigns work. ANY creative person is influenced by the creative people they hang out wih. You don'y have to have someone paint, write or play on something for them to have been part of it. I don't believe anyone creates in a bubble. With Prince it's pretty easy to hear what the group around him does as far as influence. If you can't at least acknowledge that, I don't believe you are really listening. Of course that's my opinion.

i was talking about that one specefic song, wdc. Ofcourse stuff like 7 or computer blue was co written.

tricky99 said:

Pentacle said:

To appreciate them for what they are? No, dying would have prevented him shaming his legacy by putting out what he puts out today.

Yes, absolute crap. Music without any soul to/in it. And sure, there are artists who release worse music. And luckily there are many artists who release really good music.

And to incorporate what Bohemian said: Yes, I have changed.

But so has Prince.

And so has his music.

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The only shame is that you as a human being are not ashamed to say something so ugly and selfish as the bolded statement above.

Never be ashamed of the truth, that's what I say.

I don't wish him to die, obviously; on the other hand, it's the only way the Vault will even open....

My short and very clear answer to the OP: yes, absolutely.

Longer answer: I think that Prince is not being appreciated enough by his so-called "hardcore" fans at all. They always find something to complain about, no matter what he is doing. Instead of just being thankful for him still being around in the first place, and him still going on tours and enjoying the music, bringing the funk to us over and over again, in so many great ways!

hhhhdmt said:

the guy is simply trolling. He even tried to discredit prince writing "when doves cry" by saying that the song was great because of the drum machines. He further claimed that the song was in context of the "revolution years" even though the revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the song. According to him, everything prince has ever done is a "collaboration" and that prince is some sort of coffeehouse musician who just got lucky.

oh look its my stalker .. still wrong as usual .. i didn't even have to post before someone else corrected you .. damn man .. that must suck

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhdmt said:

the guy is simply trolling. He even tried to discredit prince writing "when doves cry" by saying that the song was great because of the drum machines. He further claimed that the song was in context of the "revolution years" even though the revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the song. According to him, everything prince has ever done is a "collaboration" and that prince is some sort of coffeehouse musician who just got lucky.

oh look its my stalker .. still wrong as usual .. i didn't even have to post before someone else corrected you .. damn man .. that must suck

nobody corrected me, the only person who is wrong here is you. The fact that you tried to make a thousand excuses for prince writing wdc is clear evidence of your bias and jealousy. Not only that but you falsely claimed that prince would not have written the time songs without the time, however the fact is he did write those songs himself. Yet even after you were proven wrong, you stubbornly refused to acknowledge it.

You claim to speak for other people saying things like "everyone knows" or "prince knows". You simply need to grow up and realise that if most of us did not like atleast some of prince's new music, we would not be on this forum. Most people don't come to this forum to whine and cry about how they haven't liked a prince album in over 20 years.

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hhhhdmt said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh look its my stalker .. still wrong as usual .. i didn't even have to post before someone else corrected you .. damn man .. that must suck

nobody corrected me, the only person who is wrong here is you. The fact that you tried to make a thousand excuses for prince writing wdc is clear evidence of your bias and jealousy.

eye am guessing u have a funny way of saying u love me .. i know it's hard to get your head around the fact that the drums for wdc are one of the most significant aspects to that song and are just as much an ear grabber as "dearly beloved" .. not sure what other drivel u are trying to stir up but popping on a thread just to slag me seems very trollish .. will u stop being mean to me if i autograph your boobies?

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhdmt said:

nobody corrected me, the only person who is wrong here is you. The fact that you tried to make a thousand excuses for prince writing wdc is clear evidence of your bias and jealousy.

eye am guessing u have a funny way of saying u love me .. i know it's hard to get your head around the fact that the drums for wdc are one of the most significant aspects to that song and are just as much an ear grabber as "dearly beloved" .. not sure what other drivel u are trying to stir up but popping on a thread just to slag me seems very trollish .. will u stop being mean to me if i autograph your boobies?

its hard for you to get your head around the fact that those drums were programmed by one person, they did not program themselves.

TrevorAyer said:

some of us don't want prince to be a fucking joke anymore .. assless pants joke is fine .. name change joke is fine .. but musical joke is not acceptable .. and with each record prince tries to make himself more and more musically irrelevant .. and embarrassing .. i want to know why .. its a fact and its a sad fact .. we as prince fans owe it to prince to help him gain respect again .. not the prince WAS great respect but just ignore the last 20 years .. but real respect .. so that his name means something again .. prince fans have spoilt prince and i am just saying .. stop spoiling prince assholes .. you are ruining the music because he actually thinks his rapping and lite jazz is good and its not .. you know damn well in a few years you wont be listening to anything but the wb catalog .. stop lying to prince and yourself

still not sure what you are talking about .. prince has his moments .. i've always said that .. he gets a lot of help too .. i think you are still bitter about being schooled the last time you tried to ruin a thread .. let it go lady .. its gonna be ok .. ur gonna have to carry on this discussion by yourself .. you''ve done well so far so i am sure you can handle it .. just keep pulling shit out yer ass and say that i said it .. even tho i didnt .. and then continue to put your foot in your mouth .. i gotta sleep .. cya

tricky99 said:

You called him spoiled and ungrateful but u appear to be the one with entitlement issues. You want him to tweak his music to fulfill your idea of what "good" music is. That on its face is insane. Either you like what you hear or you don't but to expect some other person who doesn't know you from a hole in the ground to somehow reach in your brain and base his music on what u find acceptable is bat shit insane.

We as listeners only have two options listen or don't. Those are the only options. that you continue to subject yourself to the horrors of Prince's music says something about your mentality. That you think Prince owes you something is very strange. He produces music and you choose to listen or pay for it. That is all of the relationship you have with him. Anything else is something just happening in your head

TrevorAyer said:

still not sure what you are talking about .. prince has his moments .. i've always said that .. he gets a lot of help too .. i think you are still bitter about being schooled the last time you tried to ruin a thread .. let it go lady .. its gonna be ok .. ur gonna have to carry on this discussion by yourself .. you''ve done well so far so i am sure you can handle it .. just keep pulling shit out yer ass and say that i said it .. even tho i didnt .. and then continue to put your foot in your mouth .. i gotta sleep .. cya

I have never been schooled by you or anyone else for that matter. You are the one who always tries to ruin threads with your troll posts, remember the jazz thread? lol having some co writers doesn't equal alot of help, since the vast majority of his work is his own. You have already been schooled on the time songs, the sott credits and many other things. I don't have time to argue with trolls like you anymore either.

TrevorAyer said:

hhhhdmt said:

the guy is simply trolling. He even tried to discredit prince writing "when doves cry" by saying that the song was great because of the drum machines. He further claimed that the song was in context of the "revolution years" even though the revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the song. According to him, everything prince has ever done is a "collaboration" and that prince is some sort of coffeehouse musician who just got lucky.

oh look its my stalker .. still wrong as usual .. i didn't even have to post before someone else corrected you .. damn man .. that must suck

When Doves Cry is ALL Prince, no Revolution.

Also, it's well known that Prince would tweak & program drum machines to get unique sounds out of them. That is why when every musician went out and got the same machines Prince had, they still didn't sound like Prince. Most were using them right out of the box and the preprogrammed sounds were boring and generic.

djThunderfunk said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh look its my stalker .. still wrong as usual .. i didn't even have to post before someone else corrected you .. damn man .. that must suck

When Doves Cry is ALL Prince, no Revolution.

Also, it's well known that Prince would tweak & program drum machines to get unique sounds out of them. That is why when every musician went out and got the same machines Prince had, they still didn't sound like Prince. Most were using them right out of the box and the preprogrammed sounds were boring and generic.

Just to make sure: What about the outro of WDC?

The biggest change in Prince's music and the reason why I mainly can't appreciate his work after the 80s that much was his lost of interest or incapability in creating unique sounds anymore. Suddenly he became conservative and conventional in the sound and songwriting department as if his adventurous former self and exquisite taste in music has never existed.

Dreamer20ten said:

My short and very clear answer to the OP: yes, absolutely.

Longer answer: I think that Prince is not being appreciated enough by his so-called "hardcore" fans at all. They always find something to complain about, no matter what he is doing. Instead of just being thankful for him still being around in the first place, and him still going on tours and enjoying the music, bringing the funk to us over and over again, in so many great ways!

Agreed. The man has been in the biz for over 3 decades, still performing up a storm, still drawing crowds, still creating; it's a tough biz, and he's survived and weathered through it all. The biz is even tougher in the last decade, and he's still hanging in there, trying to come up with new ways of doing things and mentoring other artists when pretty much everybody in flailing in the industry. Many artists have succombed to all the pressures - we have sadly lost so many in the last few years, you'd think we'd be more grateful that Prince is still around!

But no, instead, we have people bemoaning the fact that he's survived because if he'd have died, he wouldn't have sullied his "legacy" with terrible music in the 2000s and the vault of '80s stuff would finally be open...

I totally understand why so many fans don't have the heart to participate on the org, because it can be so negative.

artist76 said:

Dreamer20ten said:

My short and very clear answer to the OP: yes, absolutely.

Longer answer: I think that Prince is not being appreciated enough by his so-called "hardcore" fans at all. They always find something to complain about, no matter what he is doing. Instead of just being thankful for him still being around in the first place, and him still going on tours and enjoying the music, bringing the funk to us over and over again, in so many great ways!

Agreed. The man has been in the biz for over 3 decades, still performing up a storm, still drawing crowds, still creating; it's a tough biz, and he's survived and weathered through it all. The biz is even tougher in the last decade, and he's still hanging in there, trying to come up with new ways of doing things and mentoring other artists when pretty much everybody in flailing in the industry. Many artists have succombed to all the pressures - we have sadly lost so many in the last few years, you'd think we'd be more grateful that Prince is still around!

But no, instead, we have people bemoaning the fact that he's survived because if he'd have died, he wouldn't have sullied his "legacy" with terrible music in the 2000s and the vault of '80s stuff would finally be open...

I totally understand why so many fans don't have the heart to participate on the org, because it can be so negative.

That's so true. So many fans are busy telling us all what Prince needs to be doing in every aspect of his life they can't take a second to appreciate the fact that he's still here with us and doing what he loves and what we love him to do! Yet the second he dies the 'rose emoticon' will be the order of the day. I'm not say we have to love everything he does but maybe some of us could spend more time on threads about the stuff we like than trying to school each other about what we're missing out on. You're right the level of negativity here gets toxic at times.

"Yet the second he dies the "rose emoticon" will be the order of the day".."some of us could spend more time on threads about the stuff we like than trying to school each other"..

Very well said and thank you. I've been saying that for years.....P owes me nothing because he's done it all and he's given me great music over the years. There may be some records or songs that I don't like but that's normal with every artist.

With everything that's gone on in the last 6 months with our musical celebs I don't want to speak bad about anyone..(yes..that even includes Justin Bieber).

As you said HonestMan13, the negativity can get toxic, but I try to ignore it and focus on the positive info that's been put out. On a good day I always learn something new on the org.

djThunderfunk said:

TrevorAyer said:

oh look its my stalker .. still wrong as usual .. i didn't even have to post before someone else corrected you .. damn man .. that must suck

When Doves Cry is ALL Prince, no Revolution.

Also, it's well known that Prince would tweak & program drum machines to get unique sounds out of them. That is why when every musician went out and got the same machines Prince had, they still didn't sound like Prince. Most were using them right out of the box and the preprogrammed sounds were boring and generic.

yeah i know wdc is all prince .. i never said it wasn't hhhhmph likes to harrass me and make upshit cuz he's my stalker .. kinda lame but whatever .. talks out his ass and claims revolution had nothing to do with prince success .. kinda like saying nothing compares to you would have been a hit without sinead .. yeah right ..

OldFriends4Sale said:

I might not be an artist such as Prince but I am an artist. .......

From that day on it influenced everything I do, I make sure I give quality whether someone sees or knows or not.

Thanks for your reply OFFS.

Maybe Prince thinks exactly like you OFFS.

I personally would rather Prince do what he's doing know, take a year or 2 from putting out a record and get some fresh ideas, and give some quality music. I'd rather a disc of 5 good songs than a double disc of music you won't even play live.

There again. He might put out something which is quality to him but you don't think so. I can guarantee you Prince doesn't compare himself to the 80s or 90s and think 'I'm worse.'

And being a JW is not a reason not to play songs, because he has a huge catalogue of music that doesn't need censuring. From Parade ATWIAD SOTT & Lovesexy, especially Lovesexy

How about more from the 1st 2 albums.

I agree, more from the first two albums would be nice. Maybe he finds it too simple. He's obviously made progression technically in all these years. He has a lot of albums to choose from his setlists & he doesn't focus on one. In the last year he has played Mountains, Paisley Park, Ladder parts, Hot thing and Alphabet street + maybe more I've forgotten.

I think it's unfair to put someone in a class of being an P.org fan. I had my opinions before I became a member on the P.org You are an P.org fan too remember.

But what do you call someone who comes to prince.org then OFFS? An anonymous virtual space name who is a member of A site?

I cut him a lot of slack, I look for tracks throught his albums that I like and those that feel like Prince music to me. Again I like 20Ten, I like LotusFlower over MinnSound and Elixer, Why don't we hear more of this, why not have the 3 ladies sings these songs on your tours & shows instead of covers of other peoples songs...

Quite honestly, I think Prince is more into serving his industry sector, 'music' than his fans which is why he does covers. Does anyone get money if he does covers?

I would say a lot of those artists you mentioned are known well throught society and at different levels. People you wouldn't think would know Mozart or Shakespear are familiar with them and incorporate their art in their lives.

Hhmmm, well I think while people are familiar with the names, I don't think they know enough of the art they produced. They might know Macbeth, but do they know all the ins and outs? Can they recite a sonnet? Can they play Mozart on the piano? Not many of us unfortunately.

My last thought on this is that I believe in Prince's music. I loved Rainbow Children, it felt to me like Prince music, Musicology was cool, but some kind of branching out of the Rainbow Children would probably have been more genuine to me(to me) But I know he has to make money.

I'm glad to hear it. Yes unfortunately, we all have to make $!!

Zannaloaf post # 91 is a huge thing as well. Probably moreso.

How many fans paid money(how much was it) on the LotusFlow3r.com site and not get what they were promised? Was it Prince who was ungrateful for that cash he got? Where the fans even those on the P.org who spent the money "spoiled" and unsupportive?

I was on Lotus and never got a t-shirt. Also only got 6 months subscription. But you know what, there are so many things in life that are so much more important! What I remember from Lotus when I joined 6 months in, is that there was nothing but 'good moaning good moaning'.

I paid $77 for the shitty t-shirt and shitty website, but you know what? I cherish the stupid thing. I hardly ever wear it and am scared to get it dirty. It fits and feels surprisingly well and represents a point in time and all the fun regarding Princedom and the whole fiasco

As a hardcore Prince fan I do not regret any of it for a second. I would regret if I wasn't involved and didn't own the thing. I do not own any physical copies of his latest work and don't regret that for a second, but the crazy $77 dollar tee, man I love that dumb thing.

Not that I care, but it is sure to be worth more than any release of trinket he has released in the last 20 years. If you are a hardcore Prince collector, which I am not, I would make sure I got one of these things for my collection.

Oh I wish I had not read this thread - I have been all warm & fuzzy since seeing him live in Brisbane this tour - and this thread sounds so bad - but I guess for many that have been lucky enough to see him mulitple times then maybe the shows now no longer have that "wow factor" but for me it was the best show I have ever seen - (I went twice) and I loved every second and it has re-ignited my passion for all things Purple.

NouveauDance said:

Prince is releasing a product for sale and this site is like a questionnaire on a restaurant table to fill out after you've eaten your meal. Are people supposed to lie on the questionnaires in the restaurant and just be grateful that the restaurant is open in the first place even though the food has gotten worse? Sure, they could stop dining at the restaurant altogether but what happens when more and more people stop dining there? The restaurant eventually closes altogether and then what's the reaction of the worshippers of the restaurant that thought it could do no wrong? They're upset because the restaurant is history and no longer in business.

Since Prince has been known for releasing a completely different sounding album than the previous one, I can see why people still stick around and give him another chance when they don't like an album. So the way I see it is, it's the worshippers and ass kissers that should be grateful for the bitchers because when enough of them finally get enough of Prince and drop him altogether, that means a lot less sales and when the sales drop enough, then that's the end of his career.