Black Sweat is the only really strong song on the lame 3121 album,

however I miss a "2nd part" to Black Sweat, something like on the excellent "Kiss" maxi single.

why the hell didn't Prince released a longer version, he could easily make and release a 7 min version with more guitar in the 2nd part. But he chose not to, damn....

and this is very very strange, imo.

It is a seriously mediocre track - live with it.

I always liked this song. It's even hotter live. I also recently saw the line dance to it which I need to learn. Some guy (Maurice Rowe?) is dancing/working it with a group of women and it looks really good. Google Black sweat line dance.

thedance said:

Black Sweat is the only really strong song on the lame 3121 album,

however I miss a "2nd part" to Black Sweat, something like on the excellent "Kiss" maxi single.

why the hell didn't Prince released a longer version, he could easily make and release a 7 min version with more guitar in the 2nd part. But he chose not to, damn....

and this is very very strange, imo.

Prince isn't like that anymore. When was the last time he released an extended mix of a song?? I can't recall any since 'I Hate U' in '95.

It does suck that he doesn't..

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Black Sweat could've been a bigger hit had P released it as the first single. He released the very boring Te Amo Corazon first, then three months later releases Black Sweat. As I've stated before, 3121 is a party album. A breakout single could've garnered more interest for the album and second single. P really dropped the ball when he decided to release TAC as the first single.

not a good song.

It was one of the weaker tracks on 3121, which is one of Prince's best post 2000 albums.

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I love the 3121 album.

But black sweat is boring.

The video is even worse than the song. Both remind of something Belinda Carlisle might

have done....But even her dreadful 'Summer Rain' video was more interesting.

Fury is the one that suprised me didn't garner more attention. His SNL performance

was the top.

jonylawson said:

nah nah na h you be wrong

to this day prince still CONFUSES cats\

i mean how the fuck is this 50 year old dude putting out fresher beats than most 20 year olds??

Prince still defies logic

i mean when stevie and james were 50....they sounded "past it"

prince doesnt

its weird

Fresher beats? Dude, seriously - the koolaid is coming out of the taps in your place huh? Try listening to some other music - fresher beats exist off of the org. Here's a suggestion: Little Dragon - Prince influenced by definately making their own music.

imago said:

I love the 3121 album.

But black sweat is boring.

The video is even worse than the song. Both remind of something Belinda Carlisle might

have done....But even her dreadful 'Summer Rain' video was more interesting.

Fury is the one that suprised me didn't garner more attention. His SNL performance

was the top.

Agree!

The album version lacked the intensity of the SNL live version though - even the way he sings it on the album is not as cool as the SNL performance.

Cool album - two or three crappy tracks. Nothing mind blowing though.

thedance said:

however I miss a "2nd part" to Black Sweat, something like on the excellent "Kiss" maxi single.

This would really help me out too with the track.

I'm not a fan of the song, but have always respected how commercial it was and could've been bigger than it was. A crazy extended portion, yeah, I could probably sit through the first half for that.

I love Black Sweat live more than the studio version. if anyone was there during the 3121 shows you know what I mean. It kicked ass!

Anyone remember the Ice Cube Black Sweat Remix?

It's on disc 2 of 30 Years Of Unreleased Funk Vol 1.

Maybe you BS lovers will be cockahoop when you hear it.

Come on now, you know better.

Having a "Monster Hit" has little to do with quality these days, or even what is marketable to the masses. It has to do with the bottom line. It has to do with $elling out. Pay to play baby.

Nobody but Prince makes money off of him having a top 10 hit. Thus, he doesn't have them. If there were more fingers in the purple pie you can bet that he'd be charting better.

skywalker said:

Come on now, you know better.

Having a "Monster Hit" has little to do with quality these days, or even what is marketable to the masses. It has to do with the bottom line. It has to do with $elling out. Pay to play baby.

Nobody but Prince makes money off of him having a top 10 hit. Thus, he doesn't have them. If there were more fingers in the purple pie you can bet that he'd be charting better.

Wouldn't Universal have made money off of it?

It would've been possible the song could've charted higher than it did. I was kinda surprised at how well it was actually doing... probably the best song Prince released in years. It definitely helped 3121 top the charts.

I kinda like it but the synth line makes my hears bleed. Ouch.

skywalker said:

Come on now, you know better.

Having a "Monster Hit" has little to do with quality these days, or even what is marketable to the masses. It has to do with the bottom line. It has to do with $elling out. Pay to play baby.

Nobody but Prince makes money off of him having a top 10 hit. Thus, he doesn't have them. If there were more fingers in the purple pie you can bet that he'd be charting better.

Exactly. And he would have had continual chart success throughout the 90's if he stayed on with a major as he would have had the music industry machine behind him. And before Fart van Heflin and his minions chime in that he used record companies and went flat after the WB war as well, those do not count because Prince had already blinked for about 10 years and the momentum, reputation, and industry were changed. A lot of Princes releases would have been top 20 hits, keeping him in the minds (and hearts) of the general public.

Personally I think it might have rooted into popularity if he had sung it in his normal or deep voice (like Let's Go Crazy, When Doves Cry, SOTT, U Got the Look, Cream, 7, etc)

i didnt like it...and its rare that i say that about a prince single....where is the melody?...nah...not strong enough...it came into the hot 100 at number 60 and it looked at that point that it was going to be a hit but it never got any higher...most people i have played it too didnt like it either...shame because it was a good video and did get played on the video channels...3121...fury...love...the word were all stronger tracks on the album for me...

ufoclub said:

Personally I think it might have rooted into popularity if he had sung it in his normal or deep voice (like Let's Go Crazy, When Doves Cry, SOTT, U Got the Look, Cream, 7, etc)

True.

The problem with the video is that he's talkinga bout working up a black sweat, and all he does is stand there in a suit making faces.

Bitch, if you're going to work up a black sweat, move your damned body. DO SOMETHING!

CrabalockerFishwife said:

skywalker said:

Come on now, you know better.

Having a "Monster Hit" has little to do with quality these days, or even what is marketable to the masses. It has to do with the bottom line. It has to do with $elling out. Pay to play baby.

Nobody but Prince makes money off of him having a top 10 hit. Thus, he doesn't have them. If there were more fingers in the purple pie you can bet that he'd be charting better.

Wouldn't Universal have made money off of it?

I am not certain of the specifics of Prince's deal with Universal, but I am pretty confident that he gets the lionshare of the profits. He demands it this way.

ufoclub said:

Personally I think it might have rooted into popularity if he had sung it in his normal or deep voice (like Let's Go Crazy, When Doves Cry, SOTT, U Got the Look, Cream, 7, etc)

Nah. "Kiss", one of his biggest hit ever, flies in the face of this reasoning.

skywalker said:

ufoclub said:

Personally I think it might have rooted into popularity if he had sung it in his normal or deep voice (like Let's Go Crazy, When Doves Cry, SOTT, U Got the Look, Cream, 7, etc)

Nah. "Kiss", one of his biggest hit ever, flies in the face of this reasoning.

Even Pussy Control is his normal voice. But it seems obvious to me Black Sweat would have been received a lot better NOT in falsetto. The beat and the gangsta attitude of the music says deep voice to my ears. In fact, because of the falsetto, I think some people thought he was doing a retread of "Kiss" in a much less matching musical flavor. Kiss has a light disco-like air to it. And it just bounces along. The falsetto really fits.

You know what song I think might have been better in falsetto? Sexy MF.

I find a lot of people don't like the sound of Prince's voice, and describe it as "squeaky". A falsetto on top of that turns off a lot of people these days.

By Prince standards through out the years, Black sweat is weak! Boring song. Trying to appeal to a young black audience. Horrible song, can't listen to it.

blueautumn said:

By Prince standards through out the years, Black sweat is weak! Boring song. Trying to appeal to a young black audience. Horrible song, can't listen to it.

^

This is how I feel with the rest of the 3121 album, Black Sweat is good imo.

blueautumn said:

By Prince standards through out the years, Black sweat is weak! Boring song. Trying to appeal to a young black audience. Horrible song, can't listen to it.

You act like that's a bad thing.

I don't agree that it's weak at all but hey that's just your opinion.

i'm all 4 prince singing about getting sweaty

meejaboy said:

Liked the song - it sounded different, and different is good. However - it would never be a hit for 2 reasons: 1. It was all top-end - that might have been fine in the old days when radio sounded super-tinny, but these days people have amazing sound systems everywhere they listen to music - in the car, at home, on their earphones on a PC or iPod, etc. A lack of bottom end meant it wasn't all that danceable - and so wouldn't get much play. 2. It took too long to get to the point - it was a good 30 seconds to get to the main lyrics, and people don't have that much patience these days - cut one of the whispered intro loops and it might have grabbed the attention faster. As it was, it didn't immediately hit you over the head from the get go. So, overall, it was a great concept, but just lacked a little in the execution to make it really big. Which was a shame, as it deserved an audience, and the video was pretty damn good too - great styling and worked really well with the song.

I hear you. However, your point reinforces mine.

When Prince was with a strong label that had $$$$ to properly promote, he could release stuff that sounded totally unique or traditional and it could hit. It didn't matter if it was unconventional like "When Doves Cry" or "Batdance" or straight up like "I could never take the place of your man" and "Diamonds and Pearls" , the money was there to promote properly and MAKE top 10 hits.

I much prefer Get on the Boat to this one, but it's not bad. It grew on me.

jonylawson said:

1. Emancipation [30 songs I like - more than any other album by any artist]
2. Chaos and Disorder [Perfect start-to-finish]
3. Crystal Ball/The Truth [Messy, but full of great songs]
4. Lotusflow3r/MPLSound [I've always loved Prince's rock music best]
5. The Gold Experience
6. 3121 [Some weak spots early on, but it gets better as it goes on]
7. Parade [Could rank higher on my list if remastered.. or rerecorded]

NOW HERES SOME DISEASED ASS HOT STINKING,INFECTED LOOSE COW DROPPINGS

PARADE IS NO 7...EMANCIPATION IS 1

CHAOS BEATS SIGN O THE TIMES

WTF????

Who cares? Learn to respect others' different taste will you?

edit) I just saw your profile, and you're a middle-aged man?! I thought you were a 15 year old! That's truly the funniest thing I've read on org

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