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Thread started 01/05/12 10:40pm

jonylawson

still astounds me that BLACK SWEAT wasnt a monster hit

i mean...

its BLACK SWEAT!

its fucking incredible-with this jam P was back with some ol skool yet futuristic filthy yet clean funky jam.

even the orgs fat ass whiny ass bitches must dig this??

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Reply #1 posted 01/05/12 10:57pm

herrherr

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There are detractors, but, yes, "Black Sweat" is top-drawer.

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Reply #2 posted 01/05/12 10:58pm

treehouse

I love that song....I kind of thought it would be huge too...but it doesn't really go anywhere. It's just a throwback track to the Black album...it just goes to show he could spit this stuff out if he really wanted to. I'd love a whole album like that.

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Reply #3 posted 01/05/12 11:19pm

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Inorder to get radio play you must pay for it. (Unless you are on the label that owns the radio station(s)). Plus, P probably burnt a few bridges with the "slave" period.

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Reply #4 posted 01/05/12 11:34pm

jonylawson

treehouse said:

I love that song....I kind of thought it would be huge too...but it doesn't really go anywhere. It's just a throwback track to the Black album...it just goes to show he could spit this stuff out if he really wanted to. I'd love a whole album like that.

now this is some hot stinking,bubbling bullshit right here

black album????

throwback?????

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Reply #5 posted 01/05/12 11:57pm

Paris9748430

I agree, it should've been a monster.

Made all the while more puzzling when later that same year Justin Timberlake had a huge hit with My Love even though it was pretty much the same song and video as Black Sweat.

I think if Prince was half his age at the time it came out, it would've been a gigantic hit. I feel that way about a lot of his music since he turned 40.

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Reply #6 posted 01/06/12 12:09am

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jonylawson said:

even the orgs fat ass whiny ass bitches must dig this??

I'm not one of the 'whiny ass bitches' on this site. In fact, I love the 3121 album, but 'Black Sweat' is easily my least favorite on the album. I think 'Incense and Candles', 'Love', 'The Word' and 'Beautiful, Loved and Blessed' all would have been better choices for a single. I find 'Black Sweat' bland and boring, and the hook especially is weak, so I can't see it becoming a monster hit.

Let me guess.. you think that's some hot stinking bullshit?

[Edited 1/6/12 0:17am]

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Reply #7 posted 01/06/12 12:35am

jimino1

It's not his age that is against him..

I mean he still looks 20 years younger than his age...

and in this particular aspect the music was definitely 'top 20 calibur'

- but he burnt too many bridges to ever get his new stuff (anything post-warner brothers) on the radio and/or more importantly on high rotation via MTV etc....

in the 90's, and then in the '00's he screwed the labels that took him on (single album deals which mainly worked for Prince and not the other way round)....

3121 was easily one of his better albums of the last decade - it was a good followup to Musicology and with Universal he actually built some hype/momentum 4 the album, but then halfway into the 'hype machine' he just kinda walked away from it all....any chance of a hit song at that time was lost - and so too any chance of the 3121 CD, Perfume, Movie and whatever else he had planned (tour?) ever building on the sales they already made...he just ditched the whole idea of promotion and went out 'into the wilderness', leaving Universal and that poor perfume company to salvage what it could by itself...

since then he hasn't had an album out via any 'reputable' record company (which may not actually be a bad thing)... UK newspapers (Planet Earth and 20Ten) and Target stores (Lotusflower/MPLSound/Bria) have been his release-partners for the last 5 years!! Which is all good and fine, but they will not have any 'say' on what gets played on radio or TV...

but yeah a lot of it is down to his behaviour....major labels will put up with 'pop star' behaviour when you are making them millions...but they don't continue to pay out if you don't make profits...its a business - just like when Prince ran his own site for lotusfailure...he didn't get enough members/money - so he didn't give anything back to the site/paid-up members...I'm still waiting for my damn t-shirt!! But ol' Prince made sure he kept the money we all kicked in to help him pay his bills...never mind we got f-all in return... so after that a lot of his so-called fans are very weary of putting their money down for him up front...imagine how a major label feels when he holds his hand out... I'm not naive - they won't do him any special favours with his track record now...not unless they know that they'll get something ($) in return....

funny how Prince as a businessman is really no different to the corporate entities he fought against.... I guess that's a lesson in capitalism huh! Occupy that!!

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Reply #8 posted 01/06/12 12:48am

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by Prince's standards in the last 15 years, it WAS a monster hit. got a few sales, got some airplay, got video channel rotation.

that's about as good as it's going to get for him and the charts these days.

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Reply #9 posted 01/06/12 12:48am

jonylawson

nah nah na h you be wrong

to this day prince still CONFUSES cats\

i mean how the fuck is this 50 year old dude putting out fresher beats than most 20 year olds??

Prince still defies logic

i mean when stevie and james were 50....they sounded "past it"

prince doesnt

its weird

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Reply #10 posted 01/06/12 12:49am

errant

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CrabalockerFishwife said:

jonylawson said:

even the orgs fat ass whiny ass bitches must dig this??

I'm not one of the 'whiny ass bitches' on this site. In fact, I love the 3121 album, but 'Black Sweat' is easily my least favorite on the album. I think 'Incense and Candles', 'Love', 'The Word' and 'Beautiful, Loved and Blessed' all would have been better choices for a single. I find 'Black Sweat' bland and boring, and the hook especially is weak, so I can't see it becoming a monster hit.

Let me guess.. you think that's some hot stinking bullshit?

[Edited 1/6/12 0:17am]

everyone does.

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Reply #11 posted 01/06/12 12:51am

jonylawson

jimino1 said:

It's not his age that is against him..

I mean he still looks 20 years younger than his age...

and in this particular aspect the music was definitely 'top 20 calibur'

- but he burnt too many bridges to ever get his new stuff (anything post-warner brothers) on the radio and/or more importantly on high rotation via MTV etc....

in the 90's, and then in the '00's he screwed the labels that took him on (single album deals which mainly worked for Prince and not the other way round)....

3121 was easily one of his better albums of the last decade - it was a good followup to Musicology and with Universal he actually built some hype/momentum 4 the album, but then halfway into the 'hype machine' he just kinda walked away from it all....any chance of a hit song at that time was lost - and so too any chance of the 3121 CD, Perfume, Movie and whatever else he had planned (tour?) ever building on the sales they already made...he just ditched the whole idea of promotion and went out 'into the wilderness', leaving Universal and that poor perfume company to salvage what it could by itself...

since then he hasn't had an album out via any 'reputable' record company (which may not actually be a bad thing)... UK newspapers (Planet Earth and 20Ten) and Target stores (Lotusflower/MPLSound/Bria) have been his release-partners for the last 5 years!! Which is all good and fine, but they will not have any 'say' on what gets played on radio or TV...

but yeah a lot of it is down to his behaviour....major labels will put up with 'pop star' behaviour when you are making them millions...but they don't continue to pay out if you don't make profits...its a business - just like when Prince ran his own site for lotusfailure...he didn't get enough members/money - so he didn't give anything back to the site/paid-up members...I'm still waiting for my damn t-shirt!! But ol' Prince made sure he kept the money we all kicked in to help him pay his bills...never mind we got f-all in return... so after that a lot of his so-called fans are very weary of putting their money down for him up front...imagine how a major label feels when he holds his hand out... I'm not naive - they won't do him any special favours with his track record now...not unless they know that they'll get something ($) in return....

funny how Prince as a businessman is really no different to the corporate entities he fought against.... I guess that's a lesson in capitalism huh! Occupy that!!

word to the wise

your post was 720 words too long

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Reply #12 posted 01/06/12 12:52am

jonylawson

CrabalockerFishwife said:

jonylawson said:

even the orgs fat ass whiny ass bitches must dig this??

I'm not one of the 'whiny ass bitches' on this site. In fact, I love the 3121 album, but 'Black Sweat' is easily my least favorite on the album. I think 'Incense and Candles', 'Love', 'The Word' and 'Beautiful, Loved and Blessed' all would have been better choices for a single. I find 'Black Sweat' bland and boring, and the hook especially is weak, so I can't see it becoming a monster hit.

Let me guess.. you think that's some hot stinking bullshit?

[Edited 1/6/12 0:17am]

weak hook???

bland and boring??

lemme guess..white and plump?

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Reply #13 posted 01/06/12 12:55am

jonylawson


1. Emancipation [30 songs I like - more than any other album by any artist]
2. Chaos and Disorder [Perfect start-to-finish]
3. Crystal Ball/The Truth [Messy, but full of great songs]
4. Lotusflow3r/MPLSound [I've always loved Prince's rock music best]
5. The Gold Experience
6. 3121 [Some weak spots early on, but it gets better as it goes on]
7. Parade [Could rank higher on my list if remastered.. or rerecorded]

NOW HERES SOME DISEASED ASS HOT STINKING,INFECTED LOOSE COW DROPPINGS

PARADE IS NO 7...EMANCIPATION IS 1

CHAOS BEATS SIGN O THE TIMES

WTF????


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Reply #14 posted 01/06/12 12:57am

CrabalockerFis
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jonylawson said:


1. Emancipation [30 songs I like - more than any other album by any artist]
2. Chaos and Disorder [Perfect start-to-finish]
3. Crystal Ball/The Truth [Messy, but full of great songs]
4. Lotusflow3r/MPLSound [I've always loved Prince's rock music best]
5. The Gold Experience
6. 3121 [Some weak spots early on, but it gets better as it goes on]
7. Parade [Could rank higher on my list if remastered.. or rerecorded]

NOW HERES SOME DISEASED ASS HOT STINKING,INFECTED LOOSE COW DROPPINGS

PARADE IS NO 7...EMANCIPATION IS 1

CHAOS BEATS SIGN O THE TIMES

WTF????


I actually just deleted this and changed my profile. I don't know why you're bringing that into the conversation, though. It's my opinion. I'm sorry it's not the same as yours.

[Edited 1/6/12 0:57am]

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Reply #15 posted 01/06/12 1:00am

jonylawson

CrabalockerFishwife said:

jonylawson said:


1. Emancipation [30 songs I like - more than any other album by any artist]
2. Chaos and Disorder [Perfect start-to-finish]
3. Crystal Ball/The Truth [Messy, but full of great songs]
4. Lotusflow3r/MPLSound [I've always loved Prince's rock music best]
5. The Gold Experience
6. 3121 [Some weak spots early on, but it gets better as it goes on]
7. Parade [Could rank higher on my list if remastered.. or rerecorded]

NOW HERES SOME DISEASED ASS HOT STINKING,INFECTED LOOSE COW DROPPINGS

PARADE IS NO 7...EMANCIPATION IS 1

CHAOS BEATS SIGN O THE TIMES

WTF????


I actually just deleted this and changed my profile. I don't know why you're bringing that into the conversation, though. It's my opinion. I'm sorry it's not the same as yours.

[Edited 1/6/12 0:57am]

BECOUSE YOU CHOSE MPLS SOUND OVER SIGN O THE TIMES

YOU HIGH ON LIGHTER FLUID

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

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Reply #16 posted 01/06/12 1:02am

CrabalockerFis
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jonylawson said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I actually just deleted this and changed my profile. I don't know why you're bringing that into the conversation, though. It's my opinion. I'm sorry it's not the same as yours.

[Edited 1/6/12 0:57am]

BECOUSE YOU CHOSE MPLS SOUND OVER SIGN O THE TIMES

YOU HIGH ON LIGHTER FLUID

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

No, I actually didn't. MPLSound just happened to be a part of the Lotusflow3r package. I prefer that 2 [or 3] disc set (mainly the lotusflow3r disc) over 'Sign'.

[Edited 1/6/12 1:21am]

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Reply #17 posted 01/06/12 1:27am

SpookyElektrix

i hate it, just the ending i like.

the high pitched synth, man i just dont like it.

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Reply #18 posted 01/06/12 2:12am

treehouse

jonylawson said:

now this is some hot stinking,bubbling bullshit right here

black album????

throwback?????

You're a potty mouth who likes drum machine sounds that came from the 80's and doesn't even know it. Cool.

How could anyone think a song that's nothing but a drum machine and a synth pattern called Black Sweat has anythign to do with the Black Album...amiright? Areudumb?

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Reply #19 posted 01/06/12 2:22am

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errant said:

by Prince's standards in the last 15 years, it WAS a monster hit. got a few sales, got some airplay, got video channel rotation.

that's about as good as it's going to get for him and the charts these days.

:yes:

I think they could've done more to promote it, but the album went to #1, so it was probably diminishing returns.

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Reply #20 posted 01/06/12 2:24am

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treehouse said:

I love that song....I kind of thought it would be huge too...but it doesn't really go anywhere. It's just a throwback track to the Black album...it just goes to show he could spit this stuff out if he really wanted to. I'd love a whole album like that.

Total blasphemy against the holy Funk Bible.

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Reply #21 posted 01/06/12 2:40am

Philly76

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Black Sweat IS a potential hit, although it wasn´t a financial success due to the lack of radio airplay and the needed promotion.

But i think Prince don´t care...

[Edited 1/6/12 2:41am]

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Reply #22 posted 01/06/12 4:31am

dandeeland

uggh!! I hate that song

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Reply #23 posted 01/06/12 5:30am

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jonylawson said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I'm not one of the 'whiny ass bitches' on this site. In fact, I love the 3121 album, but 'Black Sweat' is easily my least favorite on the album. I think 'Incense and Candles', 'Love', 'The Word' and 'Beautiful, Loved and Blessed' all would have been better choices for a single. I find 'Black Sweat' bland and boring, and the hook especially is weak, so I can't see it becoming a monster hit.

Let me guess.. you think that's some hot stinking bullshit?

[Edited 1/6/12 0:17am]

weak hook???

bland and boring??

lemme guess..white and plump?

If someone would have said Black & _____ there would be a war. Keep race out of it Jonylawson

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Reply #24 posted 01/06/12 5:42am

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Paris9748430 said:

I agree, it should've been a monster.

Made all the while more puzzling when later that same year Justin Timberlake had a huge hit with My Love even though it was pretty much the same song and video as Black Sweat.

I think if Prince was half his age at the time it came out, it would've been a gigantic hit. I feel that way about a lot of his music since he turned 40.

What the hell?

Dude, neither song is similar at all - My Love has keyboards that are (a) catchy as shit and (b) unheard of prior. The keyboard with the vibrato what plays the rhythm is nasty - Nate Danjahandz is responsible for that!

Black Sweat isn't a good song - it got a lot of push from Universal but still didn't have the impact they wanted because the song just stinks. It isn't catchy unless you live on the org.

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Reply #25 posted 01/06/12 5:49am

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CrabalockerFishwife said:

jonylawson said:

even the orgs fat ass whiny ass bitches must dig this??

I think 'Incense and Candles' and 'Beautiful, Loved and Blessed' all would have been better choices for a single.


ill

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #26 posted 01/06/12 5:50am

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rdhull said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I think 'Incense and Candles' and 'Beautiful, Loved and Blessed' all would have been better choices for a single.


ill

I didn't even say they were better songs (though I think they are both better than 'Black Sweat'), but I think they would have been more successful singles.

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Reply #27 posted 01/06/12 5:54am

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CrabalockerFishwife said:

rdhull said:

ill

I didn't even say they were better songs (though I think they are both better than 'Black Sweat'), but I think they would have been more successful singles.

I should have clarified. I agree that they arent better songs but I dont think they would have done anything (either) for the record regarding promotion , first single etc. They are boring compared to BS I feel...like Te Amo Corti..Corazon.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #28 posted 01/06/12 5:58am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jonylawson said:

weak hook???

bland and boring??

lemme guess..white and plump?

If someone would have said Black & _____ there would be a war.

nu uh

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
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Reply #29 posted 01/06/12 6:03am

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It's my 2nd least favourite song on the album and I can quite happily skip it, only Beautiful Loved and Blessed come lower for me. Lolita sits ever so slightly above Black Sweat, then the rest of the album is much better.

3121, Fury, The Word, Get On The Boat and The Dance are all very strong tracks. Then you have Te Amo, Incense and Candles, Love and Satisfied all sitting a little below the top ones but still towering over the rubbish of BS, BLAB and Lolita. Interesting that Black Sweats initials are BS. lol

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