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Reply #180 posted 11/26/11 9:37am

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BartVanHemelen said:



TheFreakerFantastic said:




BartVanHemelen said:




That footage the BBC got from Prince back in the day because they'd traveled to PP for an interview and he'd changed his mind. So instead they got that footage form the vault.





It was true about Prince doing more albums than they could release....remember Come, TGE, Chaos and Emancipation...? That's the whole reason Gold experience was barred from release for 1 whole year....(quite why they got him to release Come instead of Gold experience (Gold was pretty much done by that time) is a mystery to me)




That whole thing is well-documented, and nothing like you said here. All WB demanded was that Prince woudl *do some effort* for the money they were supposed to be paying him. That was part of the $100 million deal: that he would start *promoting* his own records.



Prince bitched about WB being slow to release stuff -- and what happened then? He signed with Arista and sat on Rave for six months.



And where are all those records Prince was going to release once he was free?




I'm pretty sure they'd have to re-get permission for the concert footage after all those years elapsing...




Depends on the contracts they signed back then. Considering the Omnibus documentary has been on TV repeatedly in recent years, chances are Prince simply signed some bad agreement back then.




still its quite refreshing, it kind of implies Prince is giving out old footage without censoring and co-operating with the docu in that way.....




I doubt that.




As much as you like Alan Leeds, you have to consider that Prince was also highlighting the raw deal musicians get with record companies.




The same deal he was giving his proteges. Plus: there are lenty of smart musicians who were getting excellent deals long before Prince. But they weren't greedy and didn't sign $100 million record contracts against the advice of friends and employees.




Addmitedly he was biting the hand that feeds him, but his actions did highlight the unfairness of the industry....where an artist only gets about 10% of the actual earnings, that is surely wrong,




Nobody forced him to sign a bad contract.




Still, you could argue that he should have read the contract and realised this earlier, but you know how these creative types are...! Plus the alleged $100 million contract was certainly a persuader...




Everybody told him to not sign it. But he was greedy.



Alan Leeds is 100% correct: no artist has ever gotten this much freedom from his record company.



I agree with a lot of what you normally say but reading your posts there's 2 questions that spring to mind:

1) you seem so angry and bitter towards Prince as if he's done you wrong personally, what's that about?

2) if he's so bad and done nothing good for so many years why do you still follow his career and visit Prince fan sites?

I'm not taking the piss I just can't understand why you'd still be interested in someone who you appear to hate
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Reply #181 posted 11/26/11 9:45am

jonylawson

Bart frankly gives me the willies....

displays all the hallmarks of an obsessive whose unadultarated fam worship is slowly turning to hatred

very disturbing young man this

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Reply #182 posted 11/26/11 11:03am

lipstick

It was an enjoyable hour of tv. jill jones was interviewed and if it had'nt have said jill jones - singer / prince's former girlfriend on the screen, I would'nt have known it was her! She is unrecognisable from her heyday, she does'nt even sound the same when she speaks.

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Reply #183 posted 11/26/11 11:47am

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jonylawson said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Really? You're not a Brit...you come across as very cockney in your posts, maybe u emigrated?!

cheeky cunt

im a geordie

a fucking cockney???

I don't know, you just sounded a bit cockney with all your effing and blinding.....

I take it you're not that proud of being a Geordie else you wouldn't have buggered off to the furthest place on Earth away! LOL

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Reply #184 posted 11/26/11 12:04pm

IDRAG4MJ

enjoyed the janet..so i know i will enjoy this

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Reply #185 posted 11/26/11 1:44pm

jonylawson

TheFreakerFantastic said:

jonylawson said:

cheeky cunt

im a geordie

a fucking cockney???

I don't know, you just sounded a bit cockney with all your effing and blinding.....

I take it you're not that proud of being a Geordie else you wouldn't have buggered off to the furthest place on Earth away! LOL

i didnt "bugger off"

i was travelling,having adventures and got my kiwi girlfriend preggers

so funny how life turns out..thus i now live in NZ

so eff and blind you...im incredibly proud of my heritage!

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Reply #186 posted 11/26/11 1:45pm

jonylawson

SOMEBODY PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE POST A LINK.

i know its awfully rude of me but i care not a jot what people thought of it-id like to watch it!

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Reply #187 posted 11/26/11 2:29pm

TheFreakerFant
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jonylawson said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I don't know, you just sounded a bit cockney with all your effing and blinding.....

I take it you're not that proud of being a Geordie else you wouldn't have buggered off to the furthest place on Earth away! LOL

i didnt "bugger off"

i was travelling,having adventures and got my kiwi girlfriend preggers

so funny how life turns out..thus i now live in NZ

so eff and blind you...im incredibly proud of my heritage!

I was teasing but it was fun to see your reaction anyway wink Do you have one of those funny kiwi accents now?

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Reply #188 posted 11/26/11 2:46pm

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jonylawson said:

SOMEBODY PLEEEEEASE POST A LINK.



i know its awfully rude of me but i care not a jot what people thought of it-id like to watch it!



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Reply #189 posted 11/26/11 2:54pm

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^ that's a poor Xvid file.

there's a real mpeg2 doing the rounds.

Busy doin' something close to nothing
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Reply #190 posted 11/26/11 4:42pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

That whole thing is well-documented, and nothing like you said here. All WB demanded was that Prince woudl *do some effort* for the money they were supposed to be paying him. That was part of the $100 million deal: that he would start *promoting* his own records.

I have to agree here. Prince rarely promoted his albums lately. Almost no new songs on the tours, few TV appearances, etc. Very different from other artists.

Peace
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Reply #191 posted 11/26/11 5:41pm

jonylawson

Removed suggested location of pirate download

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Reply #192 posted 11/26/11 6:07pm

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i felt it was all just too rushed...one hour isnt nearly enough....and there is no excuse for factual errors on a supposedly high quality bbc documentary...nothing compares 2 u wasnt his first uk number one.....and jimmy jam lewis ?....it was ok but could have been a lot better..alan leeds was indeed the voice of reason again...

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Reply #193 posted 11/26/11 6:18pm

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vc40 said:

^ that's a poor Xvid file.

there's a real mpeg2 doing the rounds.

Yeah, but the FLV file that's been out all this time was just about enough for me, considering what was in the this "new" documentary. A good quarter of it was from the 1991 documentary. confused It was still nice seeing Jill, Alan, Pepe, Mica Paris (DAMN, she's lookin' fine and only about 41, too!!) and Terry's brother Jimmy Jam (LOL). Chuck D, totally unnecessary. Same with Beverly Knight. Plus, they got dates all wrong, and they just breezed right through most of the 90s and 2000s.

I really hope Prince eventually does a legit autobiography or openly participates in an extremely comprehensive documentary like this one before he dies. If it was good enough for Miles Davis, it for damn sure is good enough for him!

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Reply #194 posted 11/27/11 2:23am

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Snip

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Reply #195 posted 11/27/11 3:01am

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The documentary was okay... But really loved the ending where they played 'For You' over some recent footage of Prince. Very moving juxtaposition that really highlighted how far he's come.

PIPS! Eurgh...
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Reply #196 posted 11/27/11 3:56am

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Do not post links to pirated material

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Reply #197 posted 11/27/11 5:14am

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Please discuss the television documentary that was aired. The BBC sometimes streams its broadcasts using iPlayer, and links to legitimate streams can be published. However, streams are sometimes restricted geographically.

The current iPlayer stream, together with a clip, is available through the link to the page below

The programme will be also aired for a third time at 00:30 GMT on Monday 28 November, on BBC4 in the UK. It is possible that this documentary will be broadcast in other countries in the near future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/prog...s/b0177bjb

Please do not discuss, request, offer or provide the location, suggested location, links to such locations. or advice on how to locate unofficial copies of copyrighted material such as this.

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Reply #198 posted 11/27/11 7:00am

Exetergirl

Friday evening on BBC Four are usually about high quality music so it's good to see Prince getting some recognition. I liked the tone of this documentary - not too gushy, nor too tabloid. They gave Prince his rightful place in rock history.

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Reply #199 posted 11/27/11 7:05am

Exetergirl

Etergirl said:

Friday evening on BBC Four are usually about high quality music so it's good to see Prince getting some recognition. I liked the tone of this documentary - not too gushy, nor too tabloid. They gave Prince his rightful place in rock history.

Just out of interest, this was part two of a series called Black Music Legends of the 1980s - 2. Prince: A Purple Reign. I missed part one. Did anyone see it and was it worth watching?

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Reply #200 posted 11/27/11 7:10am

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Exetergirl said:

Etergirl said:

Friday evening on BBC Four are usually about high quality music so it's good to see Prince getting some recognition. I liked the tone of this documentary - not too gushy, nor too tabloid. They gave Prince his rightful place in rock history.

Just out of interest, this was part two of a series called Black Music Legends of the 1980s - 2. Prince: A Purple Reign. I missed part one. Did anyone see it and was it worth watching?

1st part was Janet jackson. I never watched it as I have no interest in her. Surprised it's not on the iplayer.

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Reply #201 posted 11/27/11 8:28am

Exetergirl

TheDigitalGardener said:

Exetergirl said:

Just out of interest, this was part two of a series called Black Music Legends of the 1980s - 2. Prince: A Purple Reign. I missed part one. Did anyone see it and was it worth watching?

1st part was Janet jackson. I never watched it as I have no interest in her. Surprised it's not on the iplayer.

Thanks for that. I'm not that interested in Janet Jackson either, so at least I don't have to worry about missing out. (And it don't think it is on iplayer anymore).

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Reply #202 posted 11/27/11 10:33am

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jonylawson said:

Bart frankly gives me the willies....

displays all the hallmarks of an obsessive whose unadultarated fam worship is slowly turning to hatred

very disturbing young man this

totally agree

If someone ever came into my local acting the way that this dick does,he'd be dragged outside and leathered.

Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #203 posted 11/27/11 1:05pm

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RE: Mica Paris, yes, she still looks great. My band and I headlined a festival a couple of years ago in London where she was on the bill and I spent at least 20 minutes chatting to her in the backstage area, she's very chill and down to earth.... and tall! Was nice to see her on the doco.

Anyway, I definitely agree that the doco needed to be two hours, they rushed over a lot of stuff....skipping Parade completely was kinda strange. But overall I enjoyed it a lot. Nobody can deny that it was an impressive list of contributors.... I certainly wasn't expecting to see Gayle Chapman or Jill Jones in there! Nice to see Jimmy, Dez, Fink and Jellybean in there, always nice hearing from the musicians who were around in those early days.

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Reply #204 posted 11/27/11 1:46pm

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Actually, an even better documentary I saw recently is called Prince: The Document and is on Amazon. They had some good interviews there and I felt has better interviews/analysis about his actual music..

The BBC4 docu started well, i liked talking about the influence of Minny and his background but it kinds of lost flow after that...

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Reply #205 posted 11/27/11 1:52pm

jonylawson

muirdo said:

jonylawson said:

Bart frankly gives me the willies....

displays all the hallmarks of an obsessive whose unadultarated fam worship is slowly turning to hatred

very disturbing young man this

totally agree

If someone ever came into my local acting the way that this dick does,he'd be dragged outside and leathered.

hahah aye mate..mine too!!

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Reply #206 posted 11/27/11 6:12pm

jonylawson

bit rubbish really that documentary neutral

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Reply #207 posted 11/28/11 9:34pm

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Militant said:

RE: Mica Paris, yes, she still looks great. My band and I headlined a festival a couple of years ago in London where she was on the bill and I spent at least 20 minutes chatting to her in the backstage area, she's very chill and down to earth.... and tall! Was nice to see her on the doco.

Anyway, I definitely agree that the doco needed to be two hours, they rushed over a lot of stuff....skipping Parade completely was kinda strange. But overall I enjoyed it a lot. Nobody can deny that it was an impressive list of contributors.... I certainly wasn't expecting to see Gayle Chapman or Jill Jones in there! Nice to see Jimmy, Dez, Fink and Jellybean in there, always nice hearing from the musicians who were around in those early days.

Even though I live in the US, I was thankfully able to find and watch the doc tonight (don't want to disrespect Org rules and say where, sorry).

I agree with you on the interviews and Parade getting glossed over, except for that quick clip of Kiss.

Besides Dez, Gayle and Fink's interviews, the doc briefly acknowledged when Andre, Bobby Z, Lisa, and Wendy joined the band. Yet it never mentioned Brownmark. Strange...

Overall, it was a decent doc, but nothing new for die-hards really. Though there where a couple of pics I'd never seen before. The doc was a nice, breezy primer on his 30+ years career for the casual fan.

Hey...
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Reply #208 posted 11/29/11 3:19pm

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The 2nd half of the documentary got lazy at Sign o Times. They started showing the other BBC Documentary clips and then stills for basically the last 15 years of his career.

Do a 3 hour Documentary on Prince and not half ass it from 1987 - on

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Reply #209 posted 11/29/11 8:38pm

bashraka

What's the name of the song that starts at 4:55?

3121 #1 THIS YEAR
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