Chiquetet said:

purpledoveuk said:

Chiquetet said:

Well, that goes some way towards explaining lotusflow3r.com...

"upload: your credit card details You see a music website and say "this is going to be cool" Download:.....hello, is anybody there?"

purpledoveuk said:

Chiquetet said:

Ahh, thank you for explaining that Finally that line makes sense.

But that's where it falls down...let's put aside the fact that Evolution doesn't have anything to do with rock formations or anything to do with where the planets earth etc came from....Evolution and science in general does not claim to have the answered to everything which is why Darwins Origin of Species was widely accepted by the Church at the time...his theory explained adaptation and survival of the fittest but still left some questions unanswered and even refers to 'the creator' in some exitions (yes ive had to read it...more than once). This allowed the Church to say "what a fantastic theory, we agre...God made that happen"....and they still can. This is where Prince reveals his 'ignorance' towards science/evolution...he's basing the verse on hearsay - the same hearsay that makes people assume that the theory says we evolved from apes we see today like chimps and gorillas and that there's a missing link...we didn't and there isnt That's the whole strength of Creationism and why it is perpetuated...you can't prove God (or anything) doesn't exist, do there no comeback to "God did it" There's a planet out there made of chocolate with giant strawberries riding snails....prove me wrong. The theory of evolution has enough evidence behind it now that it is considered fact and taught as such where as Creationism is not allowed to be taught as fact by law and, in a twist of fate, is now considered just a belief theory as evolution once was...even in religious schools. Hey - we could all be wrong, maybe the strawberry people put the rock there [Edited 10/21/11 0:48am]

What I can't see is the need for Prince to enter into this debate. I mean, to discuss religion in these terms, confronting it with science. I prefer when he sings about his beliefs, even with enthusiasm as in Anna Stesia or Lion Of Judah, and that's it. It's more personal, more moving.

But anyway, I still think, and even more after reading this thread, that the lyrics of Colonized Mind aren't absurd, they make a point, whether you agree or not.

[Edited 10/21/11 4:59am]

Javi said:

purpledoveuk said:

Javi said:

What I can't see is the need for Prince to enter into this debate. I mean, to discuss religion in these terms, confronting it with science. I prefer when he sings about his beliefs, even with enthusiasm as in Anna Stesia or Lion Of Judah, and that's it. It's more personal, more moving.

But anyway, I still think, and even more after reading this thread, that the lyrics of Colonized Mind aren't absurd, they make a point, whether you agree or not.

[Edited 10/21/11 4:59am]

Well if he wants to enter into the religion vs science debate then that's fine (after all we are here sort of)...it just needs to be accurate to be taken seriously. The Evolution bungle aside its still a fairly diluted song if it's meant to get a point across... It basically says the wrong scientific theory created the earth Nazis make kids unhappy Democracy doesn't work He didn't think to be sensible with money and not spend it all on special jewellery and put someway instead of renting camels at midnight And if you know anybody who's a single parent then tell them to give up because the kids are doomed and will be little shits

colonized mind is a perfect example of an intelligent, inquisitive mind grinding to a halt. it's full of bungled ill thought out contradictions. he's getting pretty good at it too, if there's anyone out there who can logically explain beginning endlessly then i shall extract and eat my pancreas.

purpledoveuk said:

But that's where it falls down...let's put aside the fact that Evolution doesn't have anything to do with rock formations or anything to do with where the planets earth etc came from....Evolution and science in general does not claim to have the answered to everything which is why Darwins Origin of Species was widely accepted by the Church at the time...his theory explained adaptation and survival of the fittest but still left some questions unanswered and even refers to 'the creator' in some exitions (yes ive had to read it...more than once). This allowed the Church to say "what a fantastic theory, we agre...God made that happen"....and they still can. This is where Prince reveals his 'ignorance' towards science/evolution...he's basing the verse on hearsay - the same hearsay that makes people assume that the theory says we evolved from apes we see today like chimps and gorillas and that there's a missing link...we didn't and there isnt That's the whole strength of Creationism and why it is perpetuated...you can't prove God (or anything) doesn't exist, do there no comeback to "God did it" There's a planet out there made of chocolate with giant strawberries riding snails....prove me wrong. The theory of evolution has enough evidence behind it now that it is considered fact and taught as such where as Creationism is not allowed to be taught as fact by law and, in a twist of fate, is now considered just a belief theory as evolution once was...even in religious schools. Hey - we could all be wrong, maybe the strawberry people put the rock there [Edited 10/21/11 0:48am]

This is the problem with over-analyzing song lyrics. It's true that Prince is probably making a point that may not stand up to scientific scrutiny. I doubt that he gives a crap since it's his song and he's trying to artistically convey a message. That's why he's an artist and not a scientist.

Did he base his views on hearsay? Well I doubt he (or you for that matter) conducted his own independent research into the the biological mechanisms underlying changes in species over time, so yeah he probably did. Does that automatically invalidate his views? Of course not. He may have read the same things that you or I have and reached his own conclusion. Intelligent people can look at the same set of facts and reach incongruent conclusions. Even something as widely accepted as evolution. Such is life.

All that said, it's one lyric in a friggin pop song. He didn't need to provide endnotes for his sources. He doesn't have to explain lyrics that may be a bit obtuse on first listen. He has, however, sparked discussion of a relatively weighty subject among his fans. That just might be enough for any artist.

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[Edited 10/21/11 9:51am]

robertgeorgeakabob said:

purpledoveuk said:

Javi said: Well if he wants to enter into the religion vs science debate then that's fine (after all we are here sort of)...it just needs to be accurate to be taken seriously. The Evolution bungle aside its still a fairly diluted song if it's meant to get a point across... It basically says the wrong scientific theory created the earth Nazis make kids unhappy Democracy doesn't work He didn't think to be sensible with money and not spend it all on special jewellery and put someway instead of renting camels at midnight And if you know anybody who's a single parent then tell them to give up because the kids are doomed and will be little shits

colonized mind is a perfect example of an intelligent, inquisitive mind grinding to a halt.

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rdhull said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

colonized mind is a perfect example of an intelligent, inquisitive mind grinding to a halt.

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robertgeorgeakabob said:

rdhull said:

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robertgeorgeakabob said:

bobbyperu said:

All that said, it's one lyric in a friggin pop song. He didn't need to provide endnotes for his sources. He doesn't have to explain lyrics that may be a bit obtuse on first listen. He has, however, sparked discussion of a relatively weighty subject among his fans. That just might be enough for any artist.

I disagree with you on that point.

IMO the issue is: since he became a JW (probably even earlier...), he is trying to present himself in his songlyrics and during interviews as some philosophical and social connaisseur, as someone who knows what life and religion are all about and what 'we' should do to be happy.

He is presenting himself as more then a pop-singer, as some 'know-it-all', while he is writing lyrics that on a philosophical or metaphorical level can easily be debuted by any first-year philosophy student.

No wonder people make fun of him.

And you will always have certain people who feel that because they are 'a fan', they should support him in his lyrical nonsense. Some of them are probably not smart enough on a philosophical level to realise he is talking nonsense. Others might feel and think he is talking nonsense, but give him the benefit of the doubt too much, because he is their idol.

To put it short: Prince himself is trying to present himself as some philosophical wonder, which he simply isn't. No doubt it backfires on him.

To put it short: Prince himself is trying to present himself as some philosophical wonder, which he simply isn't. No doubt it backfires on him.

I don't get that feeling... I would say that he is simply expressing himself. Why couldn't he share his views on the contemporary world? No need to get irritated by it: he is neither your boss, nor running for elections.

Stella06 said:

To put it short: Prince himself is trying to present himself as some philosophical wonder, which he simply isn't. No doubt it backfires on him.

I don't get that feeling... I would say that he is simply expressing himself. Why couldn't he share his views on the contemporary world? No need to get irritated by it: he is neither your boss, nor running for elections.

Yes!!!!!!

Neon craxx is a JW-follower...

Riverman37 said:

Neon craxx is a JW-follower...

Proof?

Stella06 said:

purpledoveuk said:

I'm sure he'd laugh at me if I tried to disprove the existence of God by saying how ludicrous it was that Jesus built the ark in 48hrs.

I'm sure he'd laugh too.

So would Noah

Chiquetet said:

bobbyperu said:

Didn't realise how much downloads/uploads was repeated in it

catpark said:

NeonCraxx said:

And to the guy who keeps posting "Quit It", stop spamming the same goddamn video.

You're not proving shit.

This topic has nothing to do with your false analyzations.

Stop it.

Thank you.

Especially for you NeonCrackbaby, may each lifted note cause you an idolator's tear:

purpledoveuk said:

Stella06 said:

To put it short: Prince himself is trying to present himself as some philosophical wonder, which he simply isn't. No doubt it backfires on him.

I don't get that feeling... I would say that he is simply expressing himself. Why couldn't he share his views on the contemporary world? No need to get irritated by it: he is neither your boss, nor running for elections.

I think the objections are down to innacuaracies (evolution/science), sweeping statements (Single parents) posing as some kind of anchor on a weighty arguments. I'm sure he'd laugh at me if I tried to disprove the existence of God by saying how ludicrous it was that Jesus built the ark in 48hrs. The one thing that's based in fact he brushes over..."Nazis, tsk - bit naughty aren't they"

I don't think he mentionned nazis. He is refering to the fact that in the USA there are 2 powerfull political groups that rule the country, but none of them is genuily serving the interest of the people. They rely on propaganda and mind control (through media, mass consumption, advertisement....) to KEEP people under their influence=veiled form of fascim.

Nazism is a different ideology. In a few word, in nazism you get the race delirium based on the biological theory of the superiority of a race (Aryan). You also get a plan to systematically eliminate what is considered to be inferior to that race, in order to achieve a 100% pure perfect population.

The debate about evolution/creationnism? Honestly, I don't understand much about that. It is not something we debate here in Europe, at least not in a dual kind of way (creation versus evolution). Plus, I have to say that the lyrics are not very explicit about P. position.

Is he writing that there is no evolution, that everything was created according to the views of US creationism? I can't figure that out just by reading the lyrics. Now, maybe JW believe that... I don't know.

Single parents? I understand he is is talking about a father figure and a mother figure, which don't have to be the actual biological mother or father. I work in the field of child protection, and it is a well know fact that a child need a nurturing figure to learn how to care and develop social skills AND an authority figure to be able to set boundaries and deal with frustation/angst. So I dont think he is so much wrong about that one.

As for having a conversation about Jesus with Prince .... that might be quite an experience .

Dsoul said:

Stella06 said: