djThunderfunk said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Stop kidding yourselves, it's not about "using" the name for this release, or the FDeluxe release. It's about control of the classic back-catalog/s. I really think they could give a shit about the new albums.

let's be serious here, the original "The Family" album bombed. There was no audience for the album on it's initial release even with Prince at his sales and artistic peak and the blatant knowledge that Prince was responsible for all of it. It still did not sell. WTF does their name matter now? What value does it have for the band on a new project with or without Prince?

While record buyers at the time passed on it, we fans know the album is fantastic, and we will buy their new album regardless of name out of sheer curiosity, we could care less what name they choose.

The original albums will have long term value because they are classics and can be marketed as such to a new audiences for a long time to come. This is not a play for the immediate release of any new album. This is part of a play for the rights to the classic recordings. To say anything else is either complete nonsense or complete B.S.

I think you make a great point about the back catalog.

But to say that it is the only issue and that it has nothing to do with using the name(s) for new releases is just silly.

More likely there are many issues involved. And you have wisely pointed out one of, maybe even the biggest, issue.

But to discount all the other issues as having nothing to do with the situation sounds like B.S. to me.

The only logical reason for Prince to act like he's acting is to protect his rights regarding the back catalog in preparation for eventual remasters. But I haven't seen any evidence that Prince actually intends to release remastered versions of anything from his back catalog, except as niche market vinyl reissues. In fact, he himself has said the opposite in his rantings about digital music. He seems to think that his revenue in the future will come exclusively from live shows. If he has no intention of ever releasing digital remasters of albums by The Time, The Family, etc., or his own albums with the Revolution, why does he care what The Time do under their name?

electricberet said:

The only logical reason for Prince to act like he's acting is to protect his rights regarding the back catalog in preparation for eventual remasters. But I haven't seen any evidence that Prince actually intends to release remastered versions of anything from his back catalog, except as niche market vinyl reissues. In fact, he himself has said the opposite in his rantings about digital

Prince obviously cares a lot about all of his music. Whether the tracks are just sitting in a vault or whatever. He rarely allows his music on TV or film, and we know about Youtube. I don't think it's about immediate revenue, he has long been obsessed with his masters, I highly doubt that has changed. It's about control over what he thinks is his.

-"MORRIS!, Stop taking shit back to 1970! Will 'ya?"

-Jr High, all over again!

djThunderfunk said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Stop kidding yourselves, it's not about "using" the name for this release, or the FDeluxe release. It's about control of the classic back-catalog/s. I really think they could give a shit about the new albums.

let's be serious here, the original "The Family" album bombed. There was no audience for the album on it's initial release even with Prince at his sales and artistic peak and the blatant knowledge that Prince was responsible for all of it. It still did not sell. WTF does their name matter now? What value does it have for the band on a new project with or without Prince?

While record buyers at the time passed on it, we fans know the album is fantastic, and we will buy their new album regardless of name out of sheer curiosity, we could care less what name they choose.

The original albums will have long term value because they are classics and can be marketed as such to a new audiences for a long time to come. This is not a play for the immediate release of any new album. This is part of a play for the rights to the classic recordings. To say anything else is either complete nonsense or complete B.S.

I think you make a great point about the back catalog.

But to say that it is the only issue and that it has nothing to do with using the name(s) for new releases is just silly.

More likely there are many issues involved. And you have wisely pointed out one of, maybe even the biggest, issue.

But to discount all the other issues as having nothing to do with the situation sounds like B.S. to me.

As you see bolded above, I said "it's part of the play".

It seems to be a part of a BS game all parties are playing. To me this harks back in much the same way of that horrid idiotic post by the manager of FDeluxe. It has always been disingenuous. The manager for FDeluxe org-noted me admitting the blatantly obvious; that the message he posted was not intended for the fans here, like Alan Leeds disingenuously claimed, but foolishly enough, to simply get Prince's attention. Because he said he was aware "his people" visit the site.

True, The Time have never stooped so low, but it's part of the same game and tactic.

A lot of this is just a like family argument about money gone public in a very sad and pathetic passive aggressive manner.

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-Somehow, it will ALWAYS be about,

-Big pocket will take Little pocket,

-Like, big joker and little joker

-Morris stands no chance in taking anymore.

-Well maybe, maybe, he he knows 'When to fold'em'!

You guys are NOT getting my point.

If they can not get a record deal, then self-release. But you guys are talking about how much it would cost to manufacture the physical disc and how many will be sold.

Forget about that. It's 2011. They aren't going to sell a substantial amount, especially if they change their name. The majority of us, even though we say we'd buy it, will probably download it for free the day it's released and say "Well, if I like it I'll buy it." Bullshit. Some people will, but the majority of people that already downloaded a free copy won't buy it. We're just too lazy and stingy in general.

So, screw the idea of manufacturing discs. Put that shit on iTunes, expect everyone to just get it for free and then get PAID from doing tours. Hell, they already tour like the Grateful Dead.

Realize it's 2011 and everyone gets music for free. Stolen or otherwise. (Everyone meaning a growing percentage of music listeners. The ones that do actually buy it probably won't add up to enough money to buy groceries for a week.) Focus on the live show, which the Time already does, but incorporate the new music. Grow as a band by recording new music and get money from live shows and merchandise like tee shirts.

In the past bands used to tour to support an record. It's different now. Release a record to support the tour. The tour is where you'll make the money this decade.

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Oh, bullshit.

They recorded an album back in 1997 (or 1999?) too and one of the "lesser" members in the group said that that one wasn't coming out because Jimmy & Terry produced it and they were sitting on the tapes and they were too busy with other work to get around to it.

Prince may or may not be one of the roadblocks to a new album being released under the name "The Time," but he's certainly not the only reason why a new Time album hasn't come out in the last 20+ years. In fact, he even wrote a few songs for the late 90's one that didn't come out.

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(Mr.Burns voice Simpsons) "There is a WAY to Capitalize in ALL this...

-Excellent!

berniejobs said:

You guys are NOT getting my point.

If they can not get a record deal, then self-release. But you guys are talking about how much it would cost to manufacture the physical disc and how many will be sold.

Forget about that. It's 2011. They aren't going to sell a substantial amount, especially if they change their name. The majority of us, even though we say we'd buy it, will probably download it for free the day it's released and say "Well, if I like it I'll buy it." Bullshit. Some people will, but the majority of people that already downloaded a free copy won't buy it. We're just too lazy and stingy in general.

So, screw the idea of manufacturing discs. Put that shit on iTunes, expect everyone to just get it for free and then get PAID from doing tours. Hell, they already tour like the Grateful Dead.

Realize it's 2011 and everyone gets music for free. Stolen or otherwise. (Everyone meaning a growing percentage of music listeners. The ones that do actually buy it probably won't add up to enough money to buy groceries for a week.) Focus on the live show, which the Time already does, but incorporate the new music. Grow as a band by recording new music and get money from live shows and merchandise like tee shirts.

In the past bands used to tour to support an record. It's different now. Release a record to support the tour. The tour is where you'll make the money this decade.

I agree with much of what you're saying.At this point,the guys should stop delaying and just release it on iTunes.Change their name (if they have to),get it out there and do a kickass tour! It's 2011 and the game has changed.Waiting around for a record deal and/or for Prince to come his senses is just a waste of time.

-"Bets Going! Get Yur bets Going!"

-"The Time in hitting a 7/11!"

-"Get Yur Bets, Going!"

-Craps and the happs should be the New name.

SoulAlive said:

berniejobs said:

You guys are NOT getting my point.

If they can not get a record deal, then self-release. But you guys are talking about how much it would cost to manufacture the physical disc and how many will be sold.

Forget about that. It's 2011. They aren't going to sell a substantial amount, especially if they change their name. The majority of us, even though we say we'd buy it, will probably download it for free the day it's released and say "Well, if I like it I'll buy it." Bullshit. Some people will, but the majority of people that already downloaded a free copy won't buy it. We're just too lazy and stingy in general.

So, screw the idea of manufacturing discs. Put that shit on iTunes, expect everyone to just get it for free and then get PAID from doing tours. Hell, they already tour like the Grateful Dead.

Realize it's 2011 and everyone gets music for free. Stolen or otherwise. (Everyone meaning a growing percentage of music listeners. The ones that do actually buy it probably won't add up to enough money to buy groceries for a week.) Focus on the live show, which the Time already does, but incorporate the new music. Grow as a band by recording new music and get money from live shows and merchandise like tee shirts.

In the past bands used to tour to support an record. It's different now. Release a record to support the tour. The tour is where you'll make the money this decade.

I agree with much of what you're saying.At this point,the guys should stop delaying and just release it on iTunes.Change their name (if they have to),get it out there and do a kickass tour! It's 2011 and the game has changed.Waiting around for a record deal and/or for Prince to come his senses is just a waste of time.

Yeah I'm a bit tired of it myself. Just release the damn album and keep it moving lol Lemme find out they're still stuck in 1984. Come on. lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Dumb question here but Morris had a "hard life" (i.e. drugs, etc?) I always thought he was relatively clean....interesting. I wonder if he gets tired of performing the same 6 songs that he's done since 1984....would drive me insane.

They perform from The Time, What Time Is It, Ice Cream Castles Pandemonium + they do songs from Morris Day's album and I think Jesse's

And don't forget tunes that Jellybean, Monte, and Jam/Lewis have written/produced in their careers.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They perform from The Time, What Time Is It, Ice Cream Castles Pandemonium + they do songs from Morris Day's album and I think Jesse's

And don't forget tunes that Jellybean, Monte, and Jam/Lewis have written/produced in their careers.

It's funny people bash Prince for playing his hits so much but the 'Morris Day & The Time' shows are almost identical to each other. I've seen 'Morris Day & The Time' 3 times and the setlist was the same every time. The only variation was the ad libs with the audience. A good show but they need to change it up more often.

HonestMan13 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

And don't forget tunes that Jellybean, Monte, and Jam/Lewis have written/produced in their careers.

It's funny people bash Prince for playing his hits so much but the 'Morris Day & The Time' shows are almost identical to each other. I've seen 'Morris Day & The Time' 3 times and the setlist was the same every time. The only variation was the ad libs with the audience. A good show but they need to change it up more often.

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

HonestMan13 said:

It's funny people bash Prince for playing his hits so much but the 'Morris Day & The Time' shows are almost identical to each other. I've seen 'Morris Day & The Time' 3 times and the setlist was the same every time. The only variation was the ad libs with the audience. A good show but they need to change it up more often.

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

Absolutely. Prince has 30+ albums to draw on while the Time only have 4. It is not in any way comparable.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

HonestMan13 said:

It's funny people bash Prince for playing his hits so much but the 'Morris Day & The Time' shows are almost identical to each other. I've seen 'Morris Day & The Time' 3 times and the setlist was the same every time. The only variation was the ad libs with the audience. A good show but they need to change it up more often.

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

For real. That no real excuse really. That's all they had (and technically they were Prince creations anyway). Prince on the other hand...

alexnvrmnd777 said:

HonestMan13 said:

It's funny people bash Prince for playing his hits so much but the 'Morris Day & The Time' shows are almost identical to each other. I've seen 'Morris Day & The Time' 3 times and the setlist was the same every time. The only variation was the ad libs with the audience. A good show but they need to change it up more often.

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

There U go again creating false things about Prince. He has not toured every damn year. U kill me with these comments.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

There U go again creating false things about Prince. He has not toured every damn year. U kill me with these comments.

Wait. Prince took a break once?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

There U go again creating false things about Prince. He has not toured every damn year. U kill me with these comments.

Oh really?? Give me all the years in the past 20 that he hasn't played any gigs.

I'm waiting...

Timmy84 said:

Wait. Prince took a break once?

Exactly. And if he did, it was barely a blip on the radar screen. If he wasn't touring arenas somewhere around the world, he was playing festivals or full-length concerts at his parties or he played at small theaters/venues, or he toured "behind" Tamar or whatever. Dude's been playing a lot of the same exact shit for many years straight now.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Wait. Prince took a break once?

Exactly. And if he did, it was barely a blip on the radar screen. If he wasn't touring arenas somewhere around the world, he was playing festivals or full-length concerts at his parties or he played at small theaters/venues, or he toured "behind" Tamar or whatever. Dude's been playing a lot of the same exact shit for many years straight now.

Yeah I've never known Mr. Nelson to take a break since he was a teenager.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

There U go again creating false things about Prince. He has not toured every damn year. U kill me with these comments.

Oh really?? Give me all the years in the past 20 that he hasn't played any gigs.

I'm waiting...

Some years he doesn't play many gigs.

802 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Oh really?? Give me all the years in the past 20 that he hasn't played any gigs.

I'm waiting...

Some years he doesn't play many gigs.

That don't mean he didn't play any though. He still played SOME lmao

Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Exactly. And if he did, it was barely a blip on the radar screen. If he wasn't touring arenas somewhere around the world, he was playing festivals or full-length concerts at his parties or he played at small theaters/venues, or he toured "behind" Tamar or whatever. Dude's been playing a lot of the same exact shit for many years straight now.

Yeah I've never known Mr. Nelson to take a break since he was a teenager.

And Kcool says WE come up with crazy figures. Now, I bet if I said Prince was lazy and has hardly done anything in the past few years, he would've said, "Are you kidding?!! The hate around here is stifling! He's been touring everywhere for every year of his career and will continue to!!!"

You just can't win with these Prince apologists/fams.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I've never known Mr. Nelson to take a break since he was a teenager.

And Kcool says WE come up with crazy figures. Now, I bet if I said Prince was lazy and has hardly done anything in the past few years, he would've said, "Are you kidding?!! The hate around here is stifling! He's been touring everywhere for every year of his career and will continue to!!!"

You just can't win with these Prince apologists/fams.

Say one thing, they get mad, say another, they get really defensive, yeah I know!

Timmy84 said:

802 said:

Some years he doesn't play many gigs.

That don't mean he didn't play any though. He still played SOME lmao

Thank you. And even THOSE years are very few and far between.

802, name the years where he hasn't played "many gigs", and what's your definition of "many"?

Timmy84 said:

802 said:

Some years he doesn't play many gigs.

That don't mean he didn't play any though. He still played SOME lmao

I never said he didn't

802 said:

Timmy84 said:

That don't mean he didn't play any though. He still played SOME lmao

I never said he didn't

Gotcha.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

But the difference is Prince has so much more material to choose from to play, so that's where people's frustrations come from.

And Morris Day & The Time's setlist have basically been the same for a bit, but we're now talking about the Original Time Band, and their setlist would be more varied, with setlists pulled from The Time, Morris Days's solo albums, Jesse Johnson's solo albums, and Jellybean's/Monte's/Jam & Lewis's compositions. And considering how this particular lineup hasn't toured every damn year like Prince has, it's pointless to even compare, really.

There U go again creating false things about Prince. He has not toured every damn year. U kill me with these comments.

You are really very stupid.

Of course Prince has done a concert every year. What world are you living on?