Damn.

Sad. It's like watching your favorite uncle, whom you look up to and thought was so cool, now starting to go senile, and you know there's nothing you can do about it. Proof that Religion will fucking destroy a person. I think the death of his child and meeting Larry Graham pushed him over the edge. He lost his spirituality and turned to "MAN MADE" religion for answers. It so sad to lose someone you once knew. When I was a teenager, he was my hero. Now, he's just a man with flaws like everyone else.

Hold up people, let's not get too defensive here! Remember who we're dealing with?

Sure, he's 53, and has the wisdom that comes with age. But, as Kevin Smith pointed out, he's been living in 'Prince-land' since he was 19 and got signed.

He's always been religious, and we all know that this took on a new significance since he converted - I mean, one of your best mates, who also happens to be one of your favourite musicians, who's life's been changed around by this church? That's quite a powerful argument.

And he always says 'I'll never tour again' 'I'll never record another record'.

That's just Prince.

I wouldn't read into it too much. Just take it as it comes, we all know we're gonna buy the tix, look for the bootys and buy up what little back catalogue we don't already have. Because when he's good, he's amazing!

RocRuba said:

Sad. It's like watching your favorite uncle, whom you look up to and thought was so cool, now starting to go senile, and you know there's nothing you can do about it. Proof that Religion will fucking destroy a person. I think the death of his child and meeting Larry Graham pushed him over the edge. He lost his spirituality and turned to "MAN MADE" religion for answers. It so sad to lose someone you once knew. When I was a teenager, he was my hero. Now, he's just a man with flaws like everyone else.

You summed it up perfectly. I actually find Prince much LESS spiritual since he's become a JW. It seems he still treats people pretty shitty, which, when you become a Christian, usually your goal is to treat others with kindness and understanding ala' Jesus Christ. And he actually seems to be quiete confused. I dont' think the man knows whether he's coming or going.

What a big surprise!!!! Ofcourse I'm being sarcastic

Before I go any further, let me say 1) I respect Prince for being one of the few artist concerned about where music is going, and where it will end up. 2)Let me also state I dont care if he doesnt do an album this year, next year or the year after that. The man needs a break, maybe when he does return to music, it will be worth the wait, and be the album weve been waiting for. Forced music sucks 3) He's my favorite artist, he could stop altogther, and that still wouldnt change that fact. Some of yall only seem to be enjoying the old stuff anyways, so why does it matter? 4) He changes his mind all the time, check back in 6 months. 5) He's done well for himself, trust him a little

Now I honestly think P just wants things his way for the entire music industry. If he were in control of how things were run, he would be fine with releasing music. But isnt that how we all want life to be? Our way? But life aint fair, and he aint crazy he just makes silly excuses, like why he doesnt like digital music, so that no one will question him, he's been doing that for years. and sorry P but you wont stop downloads(legally or illegally) or boots. Actually he's just creating an excuse to do it more, If you want to obtain his music, but he aint marketing, your gonna go to whom ever is. Another bad excuse, just like "I cant afford to buy albums, so i download them" (they cost like 9$ be serious) Also why has he done so many interviews lately? They lead to nowhere, there not intresting @ all anymore, find creative things to speak on, not the same topics over again, Point taken already

Cravens said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

[..], he would probably have been punished for acting gay. [..]

Well... I don't necessarily think so. The Islamic culture doesn't really have the western stereotypes of gay men, where being affirmative or feminine is seen as gay. In most of Middle East ordinarily heterosexual men tend to be very, let's say, touchy and intimate with each other. When I travelled Turkey back in the 90s (great f' country for a tourist on foot) I saw a lot of men grabbing each other's crotches, almost as like a handshake-thing, like a way of saying "You the maaan".

I think Prince in the Middle East would rather than be seen as gay, would be seen as someone who is overly excessive - and that would probably be sinfull.

But I'm no expert.

[Edited 6/24/11 4:21am]

I've travelled in Egypt a lot and I agree its common to see boys holding hands but it is not seen as gay, its just seen as friendship.

However, acting flamboyant and dressing like a woman would be something that would not be tolerated in an Islamic theocratic society so it is silly for make these comments when he would most likely suffer under such a rule.

Chiquetet said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

We all better hope to God he doesn't become a Muslim, he would burn his whole entire vault for heresy.

Fans would then look back to his time as a JW as a golden age!!

It strange because if Prince grew up in a Muslim country he would no way have been allowed to be the person he was creatively, he would probably have been punished for acting gay. I can't bear it when people argue against things that enabled them to be who they are, ie. praising Islam as opposed to the freedom given in Christian based societies.

In fairness, it really doesn't seem as if he was praising Islam, per se, nor did he give any indication that he wished to convert to the Islamic faith - in fact, parts of the article very much reinforced his commitment to the JW faith.

I think he was attempting to use a Muslim country as an example of a united, structured, law-abiding society where people respect the agreed boundaries of social behaviour and are not always trying to go against the system.

The fact that there is no country in the world that I know of that operates that way (with the possible exception of Switzerland ) AND that he himself has been highly critical of his government and country for a long time now (most notably since joining a religion that advises its members to stay out of politics) are a couple of the reasons I find what he said puzzling.

However, I'm mindful that he doesn't have a particularly easy means by which to exercise a 'right of reply', so I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he was intending to use the example of a Muslim country to illustrate the benefits of a united, socially responsible society and perhaps realised all too late that it was likely to be misconstrued.

[Edited 6/24/11 4:04am]

Yes I agree it probably just came out wrong as it often does with P however I think he should publicly clarify these comments.

I am sure the JW and other Christians won't be too impressed that he is idealising repression in an Islamic society.

His comments go totally against his ideals of freedom that he used to be so keen to talk about.

[Edited 6/24/11 5:57am]

a lot of people get called crazy when they're not, even psychologists and psychiatrists jack people up with meds when they're not crazy at all

most people who live life from the inside instead of the outside are considered crazy by people who only look at the surface of things

having a slight personality disorder doesnt make someone crazy either. we've got a whole world full of people who talk random stuff and go off on tangents all the time

maybe the real craziness lies in never delving any deeper into anything than what you see at face value

His interview with La Figaro is much better, he talks more about actual music, comes across nicer esp with requesting cheap tickets to be sold!

[Edited 6/24/11 6:04am]

purpledoveuk said:

So what we are dealing with here is a musician who doesn't like record companies distributing his music, doesn't like the methods of doing it himself, doesn't want to record and doesn't give a rats arse about the people who buy it... A musician who wont make music; Let me sit down and strap in....this I've got to see.

No cuz: "I am music"

Prince suddenly seems like this

[Edited 6/24/11 6:05am]

ItsGonnaBLonely said:

Before I go any further, let me say 1) I respect Prince for being one of the few artist concerned about where music is going, and where it will end up.

Oh pur-lease. The dude doesn't give a fuck. He is only thinking about himself, and he drops names like the vastly overrated Janelle Monáe to sound hip.

Does he know who OFWGKTA are? Or James Blake? TV On The Radio? Portishead? Robyn? PJ Harvey? Magnetic Man? Bon Iver? Diplo? Battles? Explosions In The Sky? Chromeo? Anna Calvi? Crystal Castles? Jamie Woon? Birdy Nam Nam? Trentemoller?

Now I honestly think P just wants things his way for the entire music industry.

Oh yeah? Then how come he treats musicians EXACTLY THE SAME as he claimed WB was treating him? Go talk to margie Cox about not being able to release an album because P had her under contract. Go ask the members of F Deluxe. Go ask The Time.

P only cares about P. When P talks about the horrors of the music industry, he never looks at it from the other side. The only thing that's in his head is "what's in it for me".

If he were in control of how things were run, he would be fine with releasing music. But isnt that how we all want life to be? Our way?

Yes. And then I grew up.

blackbob said:

I blame Larry Graham....prince has always been ' out there ' but he definately changed for the worst since his baby died and Larry came on the scene...his natural controlling nature and hardline religion is a dangerous mix...

Riiiiigggghhhttttt....

Because Prince can't think for himself and has ALWAYS done what others have told him to do. Give me fucking break with the "It's LARRY'S FAULT" bullshit. It's played out and tired and just one more way to absolve Prince of owning the responsibility of being the complete asshole he's always been.

Whoever pointed out The Rainbow Children was spot on. He's been spouting this vision of a monotheistic utopia for over ten years now. I noticed a real change in him after his parents died as opposed to the loss of the baby, but who knows? It's sad really. I miss the rebellious, think-for-yourself, get your freak on attitude he started that inspired me to live Uptown back in the day.

And to hell with this whiny crap about people downloading his stuff. It's been said (truthfully) a million times that he could have EASILY sold all that stuff himself and people would've lined up to buy it. Live shows, videos, outtakes...But every time he tries something, he fucks it up so bad and rips so many people off that they naturally get angry and go elsewhere out of spite.

I would've bought all that stuff. I stopped paying for ANY of his stuff after the dispariging remarks he made about gays and the whole P.F.U.N.K. fiasco a few years back. I could really care less what he thinks anymore.

BartVanHemelen said:

like the vastly overrated Janelle Monae.

more like underrated by you.

And if he thinks Dubai is such a Utopian paradise, tell him to try kissing his girlfriend in public or even getting caught with a joint. Half the stuff he's done throughout his career would get him locked him in that place. For real.

Maybe he thinks that's a good thing.

"Now go to my website and buy a calendar."

Timmy84 said:

"Time is a mind construct," he finally concludes, setting his candle and sugarcube aside. "It's not real."

LOVEVERY1 said:

LOVEVERY1 said:

Hello,

While everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

The boat was totally missed by many in regards in what he meant from his statements made in this interview. smiles.

Plz have a great day!!!!

Have a love for life......

See ya tomorrow

Goodday to all,

Nice to know that some understood what he was implying. I see many here got it. A type of order, unity, boundaries in a good way.

He wouldn't disrespect someone elses' faith in that manner.

As for a new album he will. No more recording new music & releasing what he already has recorded is a different thing all together.

(Are you really about the positive or the negative ------ LOVE is always the better choice)

The fact that people think what Prince said was poorly put - or disagree with it entirely - doesn't meant they don't get what he was trying to say. I think we all know by now that he's socially awkward and is dedicated to a cryptic communication style - which only makes him more prone to these kinds of gaffes (or misinterpretations, if you prefer).

As I said earlier, I think he, himself, knew he put it badly. That's why he tried to get off the subject so abruptly.

GoldenParachute said:

After having read the full article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jun/23/prince-interview-adele-internet

I think the interviewer did him a disservice. The tone of the author is condescending and now that Ive read the whole thing, I think Prince was mostly misunderstood. There is also an implication that Prince further tried to explain what he meant on his example of Islam but the author leaves it out and instead says that Prince sighed in a realization that he wasnt getting this interviewer to understand what he meant and reverted to telling the guy to not worry about what he thought of the world, and to just listen to his music.

He probably could have been better off not opening the box on religion and used a different metaphor but what I think he meant was that he hopes for more stability and structure in a society that lacks values and substance and he finds a certain kind of peace in order. Good sentiment. Bad example.

herb4 said:

And if he thinks Dubai is such a Utopian paradise, tell him to try kissing his girlfriend in public or even getting caught with a joint. Half the stuff he's done throughout his career would get him locked him in that place. For real.

Maybe he thinks that's a good thing.

Done - or worn.

[Edited 6/24/11 6:58am]

I'm bored, I think I might go home.

IstenSzek said:

NouveauDance said:

That is probably the most pathetic and disheartening thing I've ever read from Prince.

What a fucking cretin.

Co-sign. Only remotely interesting thing about all this is that here, once again, he is pictured in front of an old 80s picture of himself. This time SOTT era. Yet another hint at remasters? Anyway, more of the same. Hints and insanity. And lots of moaning about everything except organised religion. Boohoo. No new album from prince because of piracy. The fans thank you prince. So much for free music His money is in touring these days anyway. And it's sad that someone who was once such an amazing artist will now refuse to release an album because he won't maken enough money off it or get a big enough advance. He fucks up his own income again and again and then he turns around and makes his fans the bad guys. What a little bitch he's become. So sad. And that's not even mentioning his mental state recently and his seemingly horrible close minded world view. Sigh.

That's a good point. He's admonishing people who always complain about something and then goes on to complain about Glastonberry, digital sound, the internet, the music industry, religous freedom, his fame, noise pollution, the lack of societal boundaries, copyright law and every other godamned thing that doesn't fit his worldview.

Physician heal thyself. Sorry for the multiple posts but I mean goddamn, man.

LOVEVERY1 said:

LOVE is always the better choice)

i agree, and condescension aint it. but honesty is.

Cravens said:

colorblu said:

It sounds like he is saying that God's Masterplan is sovereign over all of us. By submitting to the authority that governs us all, we can love and grow together without strife.

But how is a society with forced marriages full of love? How is it growth that women have next to no rights? Or if we're not talking gender, how is a society that fake having human rights, rather than actually having them anything close to "growth"?

Seems to me the only way Prince's "analogy" could make sense, would be if one lacked insight, perspective and knowledge on what's actually happening in the Middle Eastern world, in regards to human rights and women's rights in particular, not to mention the rampant capitalism that exploits the lands for oil, at the benifit for the priests and the monarchis, but at the cost of its citizens and nature*.

Can your love and growth only happen (for the benefit of you only) if I accept my fate as being oppressed, if I accept that I have no rights? Why must I pay for your utopia?

'/of which the Western world of course contributes a great deal.

I don't believe in anything forced, especially not love, or the withholding of any human rights from anyone. I was speaking of an ideal world where people choose to live and love each other, under God. In this ideal society there would be no 'rampant capitalizim that exploits lands.....at the cost of its citizens and nature.'

Laws will never legislate morals or ethics, it must be a free will decision for each person. In an ideal world people would cooperate with each other not try to destroy their sisters and brothers. I know we aren't there yet and I will never be in utopia as long as one person is being oppressed

Thank goodness!! We can finally close the book on Prince as far as new music and celebrate his past instead of being tortured with this new crap he was putting out and ruining his career. I for one am happy to hear that he is retired from releasing new music.

TheDigitalGardener said:

I'm bored, I think I might go home.

I need to fly up to tescos and get some milk and need water, its quite warm today.

catpark said:

TheDigitalGardener said:

I'm bored, I think I might go home.

I need to fly up to tescos and get some milk and need water, its quite warm today.

Its Tesco, not Tescos. Why do so many peoples keeps addings "S" intos its ????

"Prince ruining his career" ....

How is someone in the ROR HOF "ruining" a career?

How can someone who has not had a number one song in 20 years ruining his career?

Prince has paid his dues and can say and do wtf he wants to and we can see regardless to what we think he does not give a damn.

I don't know why this is making people frantic.

SquirrelMeat said:

catpark said:

I need to fly up to tescos and get some milk and need water, its quite warm today.

Its Tesco, not Tescos. Why do so many peoples keeps addings "S" intos its ????

Very good question...haven't the foggist idea. but what I do know I must not forget to bring the clubcard, I always forget to scan it and theyre great for using your points for bits for christmas.

JudasSmile said:

There is an excerpt from an interview with Prince here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk...CMP=twt_fd

There was a time when Prince's idea of fun was something beyond the wildest imaginings of most – his song Gett Off talked of "23 positions in a one-night stand", while Tipper Gore was so shocked when she heard her daughter listening to Darling Nikki she founded the Parents Music Resource Center to police perceived obscenity in pop. At 53, though, the eccentric star no longer sees sex as the be all and end all of a good time.

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian's Film&Music, Prince said: "It's fun being in Islamic countries, to know there's only one religion. There's order. You wear a burqa. There's no choice. People are happy with that." When asked about the fate of those unhappy with having no choice, he replied: "There are people who are unhappy with everything. There's a dark side to everything."

Prince embraced religion in 2001, when he became a Jehovah's Witness. "I was anti-authoritarian but at the same time I was a loving tyrant," he told the Guardian. "You can't be both. I had to learn what authority was. That's what the Bible teaches. The Bible is a study guide for social interaction.

"If I go to a place where I don't feel stressed and there's no car alarms and airplanes overhead, then you understand what noise pollution is. Noise is a society that has no God, that has no glue. We can't do what we want to do all the time. If you don't have boundaries, what then?"

Prince's views on the internet, however, have not changed. He has long been a vociferous critic of those who feel they have the right to post his music or even his image online – in 2007 his lawyers instructed fansites to remove all photographs and images related to his likeness. He told the Guardian: "I'm supposed to go to the White House to talk about copyright protection. It's like the gold rush out there. Or a carjacking. There's no boundaries." Because of the problem with piracy, he said, he has no plans to record another album.

His unease about the web is not just a matter of legality for him, however, but one of aesthetics. "I personally can't stand digital music," he said. "You're getting sound in bits. It affects a different place in your brain. When you play it back, you can't feel anything. We're analogue people, not digital."

Despite the effects of the internet on his album sales, Prince remains one of pop's biggest stars. In 2007 he played 21 nights at the 20,000-capacity O2 arena in London, selling out all of them and grossing a reported $22m (£13.7m). He criticised the organisers of this weekend's Glastonbury festival, claiming the annual rumours that he is to play the festival are just an attempt to sell tickets on the back of his stardom. "They use my name to sell the festival," he said. "It's illegal. I've never spoken to anyone about doing that concert, ever."

[Edited 6/23/11 4:08am]

THE GUYS A FUCKEN SOCIAL MISFIT... HE JUST PROVES IT WITH EVERY INTERVIEW I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT HIS OPINIONS ON WORLD VIEWS OR WHATEVER HE HAS TO SAY.. I JUST WANT TO SEE HIM KEEP DOIN THESE INCREDIBLE SHOWS

muleFunk said:

"Prince ruining his career" ....

How is someone in the ROR HOF "ruining" a career?

How can someone who has not had a number one song in 20 years ruining his career?

Prince has paid his dues and can say and do wtf he wants to and we can see regardless to what we think he does not give a damn.

I don't know why this is making people frantic.

I agree, he isn't ruining his career, most people don't even know about this interview. Apart from the fans here on the ORG. Nobody really cares about it.. (look at the comments on the quardian .article ). And same for his ''recent'' music, most people don't even know he still released stuff