thisisit said:

^ if i was a big super-duper famous well-respected music artist and someone did one of my songs without even paying me the courtesy or consideration to ask me if i'd like to be involved, even at a consultational level, i'd be ticked off too.

suddenly someone takes your song, does whatever they want with it, and dont even say so much as 'do you mind?'.... the height of disrespect.

over-reacting is not the way to go but if thats the way it went down then i can understand why he was peaved.

When artists do remakes,I don't think that they typically work with the original artist or songwriter at all I doubt that Prince went to Thom Bell and/or the Stylistics when he decided to cover "Betcha By Golly Wow".

I have heard Quincy Jones made negative statements about Prince but I have never seen it in print. I can imagine Prince would not beone of his favorites, turning him down twice, and not singing the We are the world reunion on stage, what was that around 94?

thisisit said:

beestonpoet1981 said:

does anyone consult anyone?

i'm thinking of shaving my head, swearing, and spitting at lowly commoners.

good idea yes?

nice change of subject

Prince has done alot of covers LIVE an a few studio tracks .. I would guess that he didnt consult anyone about the live tracks .. an that he asked for permision for COPYWRITE about the studio tracks .. AFTER HE had recorded an produced em without consulting any1

thats not a dig a PRINCE .. cos thats what most artists who do covers will do ..

an they assume an expect the person they r covering to be flattered an be ok with it

Someone covering ur work is a compliment an shows that u have reached someone with a song so much that they want to do there own version of it

I think PRINCE was gobsmacked at how much of a huge hit it was ... an felt like it was a potential huge hit for himself aswell ....... Would it have been? ... PROBERBLY NOT as big a hit as her version #! ( would he have even have put it out as a single? ) .. He was busy doing new songs thats what he was about ..

It was o coners video an version that was a hit .... I personally love princes version an I think it woulda been a hit ... but not to the level of o conors ..... She made that song a hit .. that prince well an truelly claimed back for himself .. rightfully so .. but she made the song the big hit an crowd pleaser it is

beestonpoet1981 said:

thisisit said:

i'm thinking of shaving my head, swearing, and spitting at lowly commoners.

good idea yes?

nice change of subject

Prince has done alot of covers LIVE an a few studio tracks .. I would guess that he didnt consult anyone about the live tracks .. an that he asked for permision for COPYWRITE about the studio tracks .. AFTER HE had recorded an produced em without consulting any1

thats not a dig a PRINCE .. cos thats what most artists who do covers will do ..

an they assume an expect the person they r covering to be flattered an be ok with it

Someone covering ur work is a compliment an shows that u have reached someone with a song so much that they want to do there own version of it

I think PRINCE was gobsmacked at how much of a huge hit it was ... an felt like it was a potential huge hit for himself aswell ....... Would it have been? ... PROBERBLY NOT as big a hit as her version #! ( would he have even have put it out as a single? ) .. He was busy doing new songs thats what he was about ..

It was o coners video an version that was a hit .... I personally love princes version an I think it woulda been a hit ... but not to the level of o conors ..... She made that song a hit .. that prince well an truelly claimed back for himself .. rightfully so .. but she made the song the big hit an crowd pleaser it is

I was thinking the same thing. I just watched Prince on Youtube on the George Lopez show kvetching about artists covering his songs and I was remembering him doing "Creep" at Coachella and then not allowing it on Youtube even though it wasn't even his song! He's a huge hypocrite in many many areas. Sometimes he seems to me like a big ol baby.

Q probably wanted Prince to fuck him in the ass and he said no.

SquirrelMeat said:

I think the Prince / Sinead spat was more about Prince's annoyance with Steve Fargnoli that with Sinead.

Steve was smart enough to realise that Nothing Compares was a hit waiting to happen he put it right in front of Sinead the moment he took over as her manager after Prince sacked him.

I think Prince hated the fact that Steve and Sinead would make a lot of money on his back.

"if thats the way it went down - i can understand why he'd be peaved."

the fact that it was a massive hit would've only made the sting of their original ignorance even worse.

anyway, i still cant get any input on this whole shaving my head idea apparently so maybe i'll just stick to swearing and spitting on lowly commoners.

Meloh9 said:

I have heard Quincy Jones made negative statements about Prince but I have never seen it in print. I can imagine Prince would not beone of his favorites, turning him down twice, and not singing the We are the world reunion on stage, what was that around 94?

Quincy Jones had issues with Prince putting white women in his music videos and films if you can believe that.

As for the WATW reunion...shit...Quincy ought to have been glad P even stepped on stage and tried to let him suck his lollipop. He sho did try and take a bite...jus sayin.

Meloh9 said:

I have heard Quincy Jones made negative statements about Prince but I have never seen it in print. I can imagine Prince would not beone of his favorites, turning him down twice, and not singing the We are the world reunion on stage, what was that around 94?

Backstage at the 1994 American Music Awards (when Prince jumped onstage but didn't sing along to "We Are The World"),Quincy supposedly went up to Prince and said "You may be the artist formerly known as Prince but you're still a prick".

not sure if this was serious,or meant to be a joke?

SoulAlive said:

Meloh9 said:

I have heard Quincy Jones made negative statements about Prince but I have never seen it in print. I can imagine Prince would not beone of his favorites, turning him down twice, and not singing the We are the world reunion on stage, what was that around 94?

Backstage at the 1994 American Music Awards (when Prince jumped onstage but didn't sing along to "We Are The World"),Quincy supposedly went up to Prince and said "You may be the artist formerly known as Prince but you're still a prick".

not sure if this was serious,or meant to be a joke?

i'm sure, it was 1995 AMA.

Pink was asked who would she like to see make a comeback in music and she said Prince. This was about 7 or 8 years ago

I also found this on prince.org

Pink comment on Prince

Pink Wants To Party With Kylie
22/10/2002 04:06 PM World Entertainment News Network

Singer pink would never choose one of her own songs to get a party in full swing - she'd much rather the vocals of Kylie Minogue.

The 'Get The Party Started' hitmaker admits she's such a huge fan of the Australian beauty's 2001 chart-topper 'Can't Get You Outta My Head', it would be her track of choice to keep her guests entertained.

She says, "There are too many great songs to get the party started to - Prince has a million of 'em!

"For hip-hop, my favourite is Tupac's 'Califorina Love'. But for a dance song it's Can't Get You Out Of My Head for sure.

"That's the one I love to dance to right now - we love us some Kylie. She's cute as hell, and she's really tiny. I'm tall compared to her."

chelsearodgerslovesya said:

SoulAlive said:

Backstage at the 1994 American Music Awards (when Prince jumped onstage but didn't sing along to "We Are The World"),Quincy supposedly went up to Prince and said "You may be the artist formerly known as Prince but you're still a prick".

not sure if this was serious,or meant to be a joke?

i'm sure, it was 1995 AMA.

you're correct January 1995,to be exact

SoulAlive said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I think the Prince / Sinead spat was more about Prince's annoyance with Steve Fargnoli that with Sinead.

Steve was smart enough to realise that Nothing Compares was a hit waiting to happen he put it right in front of Sinead the moment he took over as her manager after Prince sacked him.

I think Prince hated the fact that Steve and Sinead would make a lot of money on his back.

but why would he get pissed? He's the songwriter.He made a fortune from Sinead's recording! I wish I knew what his real problem was,regarding Sinead.

Because I think it was more about Prince its more about being right, than the money. He was clashing with Steve in the final days. Steve thought P moved on from SOTT too quickly and got the whole set up of Lovesexy wrong. From the cover, to the loss making tour. He was right.

As a manager, it must have been very frustrating seeing Prince ignore golden opportunities. The prime example was Nothing Compares 2 U. Any Prince fan, and Steve, knew this was a fantastic song that simply rotted away on another failed project.

So what does Steve once he is sacked? He signs up Sinead and gets her to do a cover version on one of the songs he told Prince was a hidden gem. He ends up with a world wide smash on his hand. Thats quite a way to prove a point.

Money or not, it was obviously an issue for Prince. Why did he spend the next 10 years putting it in his live set?

SquirrelMeat said:

SoulAlive said:

but why would he get pissed? He's the songwriter.He made a fortune from Sinead's recording! I wish I knew what his real problem was,regarding Sinead.

Because I think it was more about Prince its more about being right, than the money. He was clashing with Steve in the final days. Steve thought P moved on from SOTT too quickly and got the whole set up of Lovesexy wrong. From the cover, to the loss making tour. He was right.

As a manager, it must have been very frustrating seeing Prince ignore golden opportunities. The prime example was Nothing Compares 2 U. Any Prince fan, and Steve, knew this was a fantastic song that simply rotted away on another failed project.

So what does Steve once he is sacked? He signs up Sinead and gets her to do a cover version on one of the songs he told Prince was a hidden gem. He ends up with a world wide smash on his hand. Thats quite a way to prove a point.

Money or not, it was obviously an issue for Prince. Why did he spend the next 10 years putting it in his live set?

That all makes sense It's a shame that he took his frustrations out on Sinead,lol.

SquirrelMeat said:

SoulAlive said:

but why would he get pissed? He's the songwriter.He made a fortune from Sinead's recording! I wish I knew what his real problem was,regarding Sinead.

Because I think it was more about Prince its more about being right, than the money. He was clashing with Steve in the final days. Steve thought P moved on from SOTT too quickly and got the whole set up of Lovesexy wrong. From the cover, to the loss making tour. He was right.

As a manager, it must have been very frustrating seeing Prince ignore golden opportunities. The prime example was Nothing Compares 2 U. Any Prince fan, and Steve, knew this was a fantastic song that simply rotted away on another failed project.

So what does Steve once he is sacked? He signs up Sinead and gets her to do a cover version on one of the songs he told Prince was a hidden gem. He ends up with a world wide smash on his hand. Thats quite a way to prove a point.

Money or not, it was obviously an issue for Prince. Why did he spend the next 10 years putting it in his live set?

Steve knew what he was talking about .. Prince was HUGE an woulda stayed HUGE if he played the game a bit more an stayed with warners ... he got his freedom an he is a good buisness man ... but guys like steve do know better than prince when it comes to comercial success

But Prince didnt want to be MADONNA ... freedom means more ...

Its all controversial an inspires debate ..... aN prince has done great since 1995

I guess with most bands an artists . people seem to focus on the 1st decade of work

kinks .. stones .. etc etc ... yet the best stuff often comes later

madonnas an queens .. who constantly stay ontop comercially are a rarity .. an maybe less TRUE to themselves .. as they follow the MUSIC SCENE .. rather than create it

Athough he never said the exact word "hate", BlaqueKnight has been dropping hints in recent years that he has no love for Prince.

SoulAlive said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Because I think it was more about Prince its more about being right, than the money. He was clashing with Steve in the final days. Steve thought P moved on from SOTT too quickly and got the whole set up of Lovesexy wrong. From the cover, to the loss making tour. He was right.

As a manager, it must have been very frustrating seeing Prince ignore golden opportunities. The prime example was Nothing Compares 2 U. Any Prince fan, and Steve, knew this was a fantastic song that simply rotted away on another failed project.

So what does Steve once he is sacked? He signs up Sinead and gets her to do a cover version on one of the songs he told Prince was a hidden gem. He ends up with a world wide smash on his hand. Thats quite a way to prove a point.

Money or not, it was obviously an issue for Prince. Why did he spend the next 10 years putting it in his live set?

That all makes sense It's a shame that he took his frustrations out on Sinead,lol.

I just imagine this 1,50 m tall dude in heels trying to physically threaten Sinead... What did he tell her? That he would hit her knees with his big head?

EmancipationLover said:

SoulAlive said:

That all makes sense It's a shame that he took his frustrations out on Sinead,lol.

I just imagine this 1,50 m tall dude in heels trying to physically threaten Sinead... What did he tell her? That he would hit her knees with his big head?

T his is just amusing. Crome-dome singer Sinead O' Connor tells the London Mirror that she and tiny, purple-loving funk master Prince actually came to blows a few years back. The volatile Irish lass, who has admitted to having bi-polar disorder, says that when she covered Prince's Nothing Compares 2 U, the little man scolded her for her behavior during the publicity run. "He invited me to his house in Los Angeles and started to give out to me for swearing in interviews. When I told him to go [bleep] himself he got very upset and became quite threatening, physically. I ended up having to escape." But, objected the paper, "he's such a small guy." Replied O'Connor: "He can pack a punch. A few blows were exchanged. All I could do was spit. I spat on him quite a bit."

I would have paid money to be a fly on the wall for that scuffle. I'm sort of picturing Prince charging Sinead at the waist, then Sinead picking him up into an over-the-shoulder airplane spin.

ufoclub said:

Pink said she never got what was good about Prince.

Ive read that before and found it hilarious. A woman who has two songs "soft rock" and "softer rock" with the same contrived theme of "I'm beautiful and independent regardless of the world". Jeez this woman should seek permission before she speaks. Trite shit

SquirrelMeat said:

SoulAlive said:

but why would he get pissed? He's the songwriter.He made a fortune from Sinead's recording! I wish I knew what his real problem was,regarding Sinead.

Because I think it was more about Prince its more about being right, than the money. He was clashing with Steve in the final days. Steve thought P moved on from SOTT too quickly and got the whole set up of Lovesexy wrong. From the cover, to the loss making tour. He was right.

As a manager, it must have been very frustrating seeing Prince ignore golden opportunities. The prime example was Nothing Compares 2 U. Any Prince fan, and Steve, knew this was a fantastic song that simply rotted away on another failed project.

So what does Steve once he is sacked? He signs up Sinead and gets her to do a cover version on one of the songs he told Prince was a hidden gem. He ends up with a world wide smash on his hand. Thats quite a way to prove a point.

Money or not, it was obviously an issue for Prince. Why did he spend the next 10 years putting it in his live set?

So true.

jcurley said:

ufoclub said:

Pink said she never got what was good about Prince.

Ive read that before and found it hilarious. A woman who has two songs "soft rock" and "softer rock" with the same contrived theme of "I'm beautiful and independent regardless of the world". Jeez this woman should seek permission before she speaks. Trite shit

ACTUALLY, therat posted that Pink has said great things about Prince, since then I think.

Timmy84 said:

jcurley said:

Ive read that before and found it hilarious. A woman who has two songs "soft rock" and "softer rock" with the same contrived theme of "I'm beautiful and independent regardless of the world". Jeez this woman should seek permission before she speaks. Trite shit

ACTUALLY, therat posted that Pink has said great things about Prince, since then I think.

me likes pink

thisisit said:

^ if i was a big super-duper famous well-respected music artist and someone did one of my songs without even paying me the courtesy or consideration to ask me if i'd like to be involved, even at a consultational level, i'd be ticked off too.

suddenly someone takes your song, does whatever they want with it, and dont even say so much as 'do you mind?'.... the height of disrespect.

Did Aretha Franklin ask Otis Redding if she could record Respect? Most people don't even know Aretha's version is a remake. You don't have to get permission to cover a song, but do have to credit the songwriters. If an act changes the words (like Weird Al), then they are added as a writer, but the original writers still have to be credited. You do have to get permission to sample a song, because it's using a pre-existing recording.

^ People just don't get it but I guess if Prince has a problem, we have a problem lol

From the same dude, as toejam pointed out, who said hot dogs were made of actual dogs.

I think I recall Gabrielle saying she didn't think much of his music, but this was iin the mid-late 90's and she may have been refering to his music of that era...

[Edited 6/28/11 2:11am]

MickyDolenz said:

Did Aretha Franklin ask Otis Redding if she could record Respect?

Did Aretha's manager previously manage Otis? speakin of respect... thats what its about.

Eric Clapton is a huge Prince fan,but I recall one time when he criticized both Prince and Madonna for their sexual antics onstage."You'll never catch me crawling around the stage",he said in disgust.

rudeboynpg said:

I wonder what happened to make Daryl say that? Do you know the rest of the story?

(the above is taken from an old thread on this same topic)

http://prince.org/msg/7/132174?&pg=1

thisisit said:

MickyDolenz said:

Did Aretha Franklin ask Otis Redding if she could record Respect?

Did Aretha's manager previously manage Otis? speakin of respect... thats what its about.

No.