onemorething said:

i am curious to know why prince doesn't eat meat (besides occasionally eating seafood and chicken), is it for health/diet reasons? or personal beliefs?

besides from that, there are cons for being a vegetarian/ vegan: such as eating too much soy or dairy products can be a health hazard, same goes for eating too much red meat or raw meat/seafood can be a health hazard...bottomline: its all about balancing our diets and get the recommended daily vitamins, iron, calicum and etc...regardless if we eat meat or not

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onemorething said:

I wonder how many vegans (who r vegans for ethical reasons) have pets, especially cats or dogs. R they vegan too, no? How do they explain away the fact that the meat is prepared in a similar fashion? Just asking

You can get vegetarian and vegan pet food.

Militant said:

CocoRock said:

Militant said:

You can get vegetarian and vegan pet food.

Most of the animals that people keep as pets are carnivores by nature. The pet owner who feeds his/her pet a veggie diet have a god complex.

Agreed - keeping a pet would be antithetical to being a vegan. But that's a whole 'nother argument!

CocoRock said:

Militant said:

You can get vegetarian and vegan pet food.

Most of the animals that people keep as pets are carnivores by nature. The pet owner who feeds his/her pet a veggie diet have a god complex.

...And that may very well be the justification that vegans and vegetarians who feed their pets meat give.

I think your second statement is too judgmental. It's totally up to the owner to take care of their animal and if the animal is healthy and well taken care of then it isn't right for you to judge the owners in that fashion, being as that there's NO evidence that a vegan/vegetarian diet is bad or unhealthy for those animals. In fact it's quite the opposite.

The concept of what animals do "by nature" is too fluid. At their current state of evolution they do what they need to do to obtain their specific nutritional requirement in their environment. We are on a different stage of evolution. Ironically enough this is something you hear spouted regularly in these debates by the angry meat eater - "We're at the top of the food chain so we can do what we want!!" and holding on for whatever reason to such an obviously incorrect argument that humans somehow "need" to eat meat.

Therefore, is it not our role as a more intelligent species to impart and encourage compassion, both in our roles as parents and pet owners? After all - both a child and a pet are of a lesser intelligence than an adult human. We often consider pets as "a member of the family" and rightly so. They live in our houses and we care and take responsibility for them. So if I choose to raise my children on a vegan diet (which I will most certainly be doing), what's the difference in imposing the same values on a pet? Again, I'll point out that there is no evidence that a vegetarian or vegan pet diet is of any less nutritional value than a carnivorous one.

If you want to make that argument that you are making, you also have to consider that the process in which domesticated pets obtain meat is equally "against their nature". Prisoned animals in poor conditions, injected with all sorts of hormones in order to increase profit, inhumanely treated, taken to a mass slaughter facility, ground up, mixed with various other things before being packaged and sent to warehouses, then shops to be sit on shelves in oxidising metal containers for long periods of time. By your same argument, ALL pet owners can be said to have a god complex.

I think that if at the end of the day, you take care of the animals and they are healthy, then it's OK. You just have to see that there are various schools of thought on the matter. You don't have to agree with them, but it is somewhat unreasonable to suggest they all have a "god complex".

"Dead Carcass On a Plate is NOT my cup of TEA!"... vegetarian for over 14 yrs now.

Take care...

me.

Fact: Biologically-speaking, all human beings are OMNIVORES. In saying that, modern humans in Western society have the luxury of choosing to be carnivores or not, when they have the luxury of strolling to a grocery store and selecting their foods of choice.

Fact: Many people in the world do not have the luxury of Western societies and have to choose food from what their environments provide them. So, just like the bear, we pick from what the environment affords us, because we, like, the bear, are omnivores by nature.

Lesson to be learned: As much as mankind tries to divorce itself from nature...with socially constructed moral diatribes and hypocritical condemnations designed to ostracize human practices from all other animal forms of natural life...in the end, we cannot. In the end, we are all animals which share this planet. To condemn another animal against consuming what it was made to consume by nature is hypocritical; to criticize the ways and processes in which that human animal consumes other animals in modern society is not hypocritical. Any other criticism is ridiculous and the logic is totally flawed.

I could never be a vegeterian or vegan. I can't imagine my life without a bloody steak or St. Andre. No sir.

vitriol said:

I could never be a vegetarian. I love the pleasures of the meat as much as the pleasures of the flesh.

Plus, man is omnivorous by nature. I don't think it's healthy (for the body and the mind) to eat just plants.

We're no sheep.

souleyvegan said:

Prince is a vegan...no animal products...Erykah Badu is Vegan too, she looks amazing as well (but, she always has now that I think about it..) It's expensive to be vegan! The alternative cheeses, meats, etc...are double what the real thing costs..You really have to plan your meals ahead and be prepared. There are a lot of Vegan restaraunts popping up (Souley Vegan is in Oakland, I am not affiliated with the restaraunt)...No Worries in Oakland is Pilipino Vegan. There is a great cook book called "Vegan Soul Kitchen" by Bryant Terry...check it out if you're interested.

Are his shoes made from leather true vegans have nothing to do with animal products.

xt1000 said:

vitriol said:

I could never be a vegetarian. I love the pleasures of the meat as much as the pleasures of the flesh.

Plus, man is omnivorous by nature. I don't think it's healthy (for the body and the mind) to eat just plants.

We're no sheep.

Omnivorous by nature, true... But when was the last time you ate meat that you obtained naturally? That was not brought up pumped full of steroids, chemicals, etc. to make the animal grow faster quicker? It's been stated before, humans are outside nature; pre-packaged, ready filleted, pre-prepared and chemically induced cuts of meat are not natural.

I chose to be vegetarian for my own personal reasons, I don't try to enforce this on anyone else and respect choice. However, I also know that whenever a topic like this appears it sparks heated debate... So, I'm out :p

Yeah me too!!!

onemorething said:

I wonder how many vegans (who r vegans for ethical reasons) have pets, especially cats or dogs. R they vegan too, no? How do they explain away the fact that the meat is prepared in a similar fashion? Just asking

they are NOT pets... they are our friends... i don't own my cat friend, i belong to her. but yes, even though cats are domesticated i don't want to alter the diet TOO much from what they ate in the 'wild'. so i do feed my friend a raw food diet mostly, not the processed hard food.

to me, cats are the greatest people on earth.

I think today the most important thing to try to do when it comes to what we eat is to try and eat as local/ sustainable as possible. Farmers Markets often will have local meat. Click on the link to a chart that gives you the lowdown on fish that is safe/ not safe to eat:

http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/download.aspx

Im pretty sure he went to be a vegan because of the book "The Celestine Prophacy" also i think it inspired him to write the ablbum "The Truth"

Maytiana said:

I know vegetarians that look old and are fat. Sometimes genetics play a role in how good you look and how you handle stress does, too. I think Prince is just young looking because of make-up and how he wears his hair.

My dad is a vegetarian, and has been since he was 18 (now 60) and he isnt fat, or old looking. he used to smoke but quit 30 years ago and doesnt have any health issues at all. great benefits in being a vegetarian

vitriol said:

I don't think it's healthy (for the body and the mind) to eat just plants.

We're no sheep.

Obviously easting too much flesh is no good for your brain as well...

In other words: This statement is very stupid and has absolutely no medical background!

Soulstar77A said:

vitriol said:

I don't think it's healthy (for the body and the mind) to eat just plants.

We're no sheep.

Obviously easting too much flesh is no good for your brain as well...

In other words: This statement is very stupid and has absolutely no medical background!

So you're saying that native peoples who live in places where there are almost no plants - and who subsist almost entirely on flesh - are somehow mentally defective as a result?

Read your second sentence while looking in the mirror.

Genesia said:

Soulstar77A said:

Obviously easting too much flesh is no good for your brain as well...

In other words: This statement is very stupid and has absolutely no medical background!

So you're saying that native peoples who live in places where there are almost no plants - and who subsist almost entirely on flesh - are somehow mentally defective as a result?

Read your second sentence while looking in the mirror.

No! I'm saying that there's no medical proof for Vitriols claim!

"Mentally defective"? Huh? What the hell are you talking about????

My first sentence referred to Vitriol and was meant to be a joke! You didnt get it? Look into the mirror and ask yourself why?? Oh lord....

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Soulstar77A said:

Genesia said:

So you're saying that native peoples who live in places where there are almost no plants - and who subsist almost entirely on flesh - are somehow mentally defective as a result?

Read your second sentence while looking in the mirror.

No! I'm saying that there's no medical proof for Vitriols claim!

"Mentally defective"? Huh? What the hell are you talking about????

My first sentence referred to Vitriol and was meant to be a joke! You didnt get it? Look into the mirror and ask yourself why?? Oh lord....

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I know 6 different centurians (one that is 107 and still going strong) that have eaten meat ALL their lives.

They look great for their ages.... I will do what they are doing thank you.

Genetics plays a HUGE role, I have a friend that is anemic because she chose a vegan lifestyle.

What's the point? She needs more protein... so yes diet is important,

but all nutrients need to be used and different people need more or different sources of vitamins, minerals and other nutrients.

I am missing prickly pear from my diet, I need to eat more of that because I am Taino and my genetics needs that plant more than other people need it. Also... weirdly enough, I am obese, and I have a decent cholesterol level (its low for someone whos as fat as me.. the doctor was shocked in a good way ) and perfect blood pressure...

I eat lots of steak and dairy... I comsume whole foods mostly and I never eat fast foods.

You can be a vegan and eat out and get die of natural causes at 70....

Just weighing in the subject.

mad cow disease will fuck up your brain

consuming animal flesh, blood and milk that has bovine growth hormone steroids in it will make u fat

Being a Vegetarian has stopped the aging process 4 Prince...With me its no beef or pork 4 over a decade....Cutting down drastically on meat. But its amazing on the positivity that comes with less meat intake....One day it will happen soon....But it is very expensive 2 eat healthy. But my New Years resolution is 2 eat less meat & more wholefoods...

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Being a Vegetarian has stopped the aging process 4 Prince...With me its no beef or pork 4 over a decade....Cutting down dratically on meat. But its amazing on the positivity that comes with less meat intake....One day it will happen soon....But it is very expensive 2 eat healthy. But my New Years resolution is 2 eat less meat & more wholefoods...

Stopped?

He looks older to me. He still looks good for his age though.

paintedlady said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Being a Vegetarian has stopped the aging process 4 Prince...With me its no beef or pork 4 over a decade....Cutting down dratically on meat. But its amazing on the positivity that comes with less meat intake....One day it will happen soon....But it is very expensive 2 eat healthy. But my New Years resolution is 2 eat less meat & more wholefoods...

Stopped?

He looks older to me. He still looks good for his age though.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Botox and a lot of make-up have stopped the aging process 4 Prince...With me its no beef or pork 4 over a decade....Cutting down dratically on meat. But its amazing on the positivity that comes with less meat intake....One day it will happen soon....But it is very expensive 2 eat healthy. But my New Years resolution is 2 eat less meat & more wholefoods...

I fixed it for you.

Always thought he was a vegan! Maybe-maybe not!

Always thought he was a vegan! Maybe-maybe not!