OldFriends4Sale said:

Angelic1302 said:

Ummm I hate to tell you but that "white guy" Kris is actually a brother a "black guy" ...

I noticed that, I couldn't tell what he was specifically, he look like actor Taylor Lautner who is actually Native-American/European mix

Cute young men

Angelic1302 said:

Ummm I hate to tell you but that "white guy" Kris is actually a brother a "black guy" ...

He's biracial, to be more precise.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

OF4S, I know we don't always agree on this topic, and no disrespect, but where the heck are you coming up with this stuff? There is no "specific" look for Black men or women, it all depends on the DNA.

I'm saying because of various things, especially race mixing, there is no specific look for Black men/women.

When I say Black, I refer to a group of people who may or may not identify that way in America. Because it is a Social/Political identity. Not the same as someone saying they are Nigerian or Italian or Chinese or Swede etc etc

White is also a 'Social Political' term

Black as a social political term is also why people who choose to identify as biracial or multiracial have and do encounter strong resistance from black-identified americans.

There are many people who do not like the term Black(-American) and identify as African-American and do not see it as interchangible.

In the early 1980's I was a part of a Pan-African cultural group led by a Dr. David Anderson(Sankofa) He's an historian, and more spefically deals with a lot of the use of terms labels and the evolving or devolving(is that a word?) from the beginning of Africans being in America till now. He used the term Black only in specific spacing because of it's connection to the shift in the Civil Rights movement. He refers to himself and family as African-American because he deals only in cultural connections via West Africa and American cultural developments. And he is very much integrated and American.

Race identies in this country have shifted many times since Europeans Native-American & Africans 'met' on the shores of the new world.

Just like Iman, who is married to David Bowie, said that there is no specific feature for Africans in general, because they all come from various ethnic groups, and identify with the features of that specific ethnic group, so Black men with stronger African genetics does not necessarily mean they tend to have narrower eyes and wide noses.

Iman is correct, there are many ethnic difference in the indeginous African continent. But African-Americans don't come from the whole of Africa. they come from mostly (because of convienence and accessibility and less loss of trade) West Africa & Central Africa,mostly the East Coasts of Africa. Not north East or South Africa. And they ethnic group there are closer in genetic relation:Nigeria, Congo, Ghana and others. Many African countries resisted or did not allow the slave trade. Many countries were in accessible because of the Sahara dessert.

I have a lot of Africans living in my community from various parts of Africa, and I can tell you, that they are various complexions just like Black Americans, with various facial features.

Talking about African now can't be compared to then. We don't know what has transpired since then. There is race mixing in Africa, via Europeans & Arabs. It's a lot different now. And I know recent Africans too so I understand.

You have to factor in the region their ancestors were living in, as well as the climate, so no they don't all have the same characteristics, no more than people with strong European genetics do. For Black Americans, their DNA is very mixed, that's a fact, so it is not surprising that you may have one sibling, very fair or light-skinned and another dark-complected or with green, hazel or blue eyes. This is nothing new. That is just how it is with Black Americans and Black Caribbean families, and part of that, has to do with the history of slavery and the intermixing that took place in various ways during that time.

We can talk off line more if you want, so we don't take over this thread. Which seriously is dealing with more than 1 topic now lol

[Edited 2/10/11 7:41am]

Okay so we somewhat agree on some things here, and thanks for sharing that info. My point was that often I hear or read so much misinformation about Black Americans, and what some think they are suppose to look like, when in fact, there really isn't one "specific" look. They can be very, fair-skinned to dark-complected, with various facial features, and come from various cultures/sub-cultures.

I am also aware that there has been race-mixing in Africa since ancient times, so when I speak of Africans from Africa today, living in America, my point was that they, as well as Black Americans (native to the U.S.) also have various, facial features, and often times, that is based on their specific ethnic group. I can actually tell someone who is from Ethiopia compared to someone from the Congo. I have a family member who has a child from a woman who was born in what is now referred to as the Congo, and left there when she was 4 years old with her family who moved to the U.S. years ago. People often forget about the Black Caribbeans and they too, have various ethnic groups among them.

Like you said, if you would like to discuss this further, you're welcome to orgnote me or start a different thread in P&R since it is race-related.

purplecam said:

2elijah said:

I hear you 'cam, so were the people in my section. As a matter of fact the whole place was laughing. It was a funny moment.

It was a classic moment that is still funny. I'm still amazed at the media coverage it's gotten. None of the NYC news stations covered that Prince was in town but with this situation, it was everywhere.

With all that said, it would have been nice if they talked about Prince donating money to them schools but apparently, that's not as glamorous as Kim K.

I agree Cam. He was in the NYC/NJ area since December performing, and only now the media paid that much attention to that particular concert, and the one on 1/18 when that gossip girl chic was onstage, and what was so important about giving her media attention? I've never even heard of her before then.

Then when Kim ot on stage with him, the same thing. You would think she actually madde some major and important contribution to society, yet I couldn't find the same amount of coverage on the money he donated to those 3 organizations. I guess Kim is the new Paris Hilton to the media.

Identity said:

Angelic1302 said:

Ummm I hate to tell you but that "white guy" Kris is actually a brother a "black guy" ...

He's biracial, to be more precise.

Right!! Is he 1/2Black? I don't have any info on him

Angelic1302 said:

Identity said:

She's on the rebound. I'll give the "relationship" less than 3 months. Soon or later, she will go back to exclusively dating brothers.

Ummm I hate to tell you but that "white guy" Kris is actually a brother a "black guy" ...

Thanks for clearing that up. When I saw his pic, he does look like he could "pass" so-to-speak.

purplemookiebut said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That statement is so idiotic. How does Regge look like a wanna b gangsta, he's nothing like that. Reggie isn't even bald you idiot lol Reggie You'll see him in a suit and tie just as much as in jeans and a tshirt- I hope that's not your defination of gangsta because then most americans are gangsta

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

... not one of my favorite photos / pics of Prince but, he was as brown-skin'd as I am now before he became a Vegan, purplemookiebut.

^ That's him in all his glory and he was brown skinned because he's African-American

purplemookiebut said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That statement is so idiotic. How does Regge look like a wanna b gangsta, he's nothing like that. Reggie isn't even bald you idiot lol Reggie You'll see him in a suit and tie just as much as in jeans and a tshirt- I hope that's not your defination of gangsta because then most americans are gangsta

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

There's nothing "nasty" about Reggie because of his darker complexion and many women find him "special", at least Kim did. Maybe you just have a taste for a lighter shade of chocolate. I'm sure Prince has relatives Reggie's complexion. They're just two brothas of a different shade, that's all.

[Edited 2/10/11 8:27am]

nursev said:

^ That's him in all his glory and he was brown skinned because he's African-American

[Edited 2/10/11 8:28am]

2elijah said:

purplemookiebut said:

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

There's nothing "nasty" about Reggie, maybe you just have a taste for a lighter shade of chocolate. I'm sure Prince has relatives Reggie's complexion. They're just two brothas of a different shade, that's all.

Caramel anyone? Prince and Reggie are fine as hell need I keep saying that

nursev said:

2elijah said:

There's nothing "nasty" about Reggie, maybe you just have a taste for a lighter shade of chocolate. I'm sure Prince has relatives Reggie's complexion. They're just two brothas of a different shade, that's all.

Caramel anyone? Prince and Reggie are fine as hell need I keep saying that

Caramel, Gingerbread, Vanilla Fudge Swirl, Nutmeg, Cinnamon,Walnut, White Chocolate, Swiss Chocolate, Chocolate Chip, Milk Chocolate, Cocoa, Rocky Road, Dark Chocolate, Extra Dark Chocolate...need I say more...

[Edited 2/10/11 8:39am]

2elijah said:

nursev said:

Caramel anyone? Prince and Reggie are fine as hell need I keep saying that

Caramel, Vanilla Fudge Swirl, Nutmeg, Cinnamon,Walnut, White Chocolate, Swiss Chocolate, Chocolate Chip, Milk Chocolate, Cocoa, Rocky Road, Dark Chocolate, Extra Dark Chocolate...need I say more...

Loving it

PurpleLove7 said:

purplemookiebut said:

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

... not one of my favorite photos / pics of Prince but, he was as brown-skin'd as I am now before he became a Vegan, purplemookiebut.

lol Prince was alway very fair complexioned. I'm that color in the Spring & Summer and lighter in the Fall & Winter. Prince was probably in the sun a bit when he took this pic.

[Edited 2/10/11 9:00am]

nursev said:

2elijah said:

Caramel, Vanilla Fudge Swirl, Nutmeg, Cinnamon,Walnut, White Chocolate, Swiss Chocolate, Chocolate Chip, Milk Chocolate, Cocoa, Rocky Road, Dark Chocolate, Extra Dark Chocolate...need I say more...

Loving it

Chocolate Butter Cream, Toasted Almond, Pecan, Light Chocolate Truffel, Mocha, Coffee Chocolate, Butterscotch Chocolate.......

Chocolate Box -- quite the variety...just ask Kim.

[Edited 2/10/11 8:54am]

purplemookiebut said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That statement is so idiotic. How does Regge look like a wanna b gangsta, he's nothing like that. Reggie isn't even bald you idiot lol Reggie You'll see him in a suit and tie just as much as in jeans and a tshirt- I hope that's not your defination of gangsta because then most americans are gangsta

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

God, thats so wrong. u should like men for who they are not for the colour of there skin. Jungle fever? are u serious?

nursev said:

^ That's him in all his glory and he was brown skinned because he's African-American

Power 2 the People sista!!!

I know Italians Greeks Asians and Native-Americans the same color lol

Prince didn't go from dark to light, and we don't even have to address a persons racist remarks by identifying skin tones, If Prince was the same color in that photo as he was on the Lovesexy album it's still ok

Not trying to be funny but besides his genes the climate/area that he is from has alot to do with his color I'm originally from Michigan and my mother/family is the same compexion as Prince My complexion was light also, but when I moved to the Southwest I got darker Just saying that climate has alot to do with it

OldFriends4Sale said:

nursev said:

^ That's him in all his glory and he was brown skinned because he's African-American

Power 2 the People sista!!!

I know Italians Greeks Asians and Native-Americans the same color lol

Prince didn't go from dark to light, and we don't even have to address a persons racist remarks by identifying skin tones, If Prince was the same color in that photo as he was on the Lovesexy album it's still ok

Most definitely it's okay.

Wow we all must have different taste. Reggie is fine as hell and Prince was always a cutie to me.

2elijah said:

nursev said:

Loving it

Chocolate Box

Yummy

nursev said:

Not trying to be funny but besides his genes the climate/area that he is from has alot to do with his color I'm originally from Michigan and my mother/family is the same compexion as Prince My complexion was light also, but when I moved to the Southwest I got darker Just saying that climate has alot to do with it

Yes it does.

There are some people it doesn't matter though. Some 'white' people tan easy and others 'burn' get red.

I work with 2 people 1 Italian the other for French heritage on both sides (NY state) in the winter time they still hold a tan coloring. In the summer time they are seriously the same color of that darker scan of the Prince album.

My god-brother is biracial 1/2white1/2black and he now lives in Tenessee(military) and he just doesn't tan. I can show you pictures of him from year around and he's the same color.

For me I can get a nice tan, and then go to a lighter color in the Fall/Winter. But the only parts that tan of course are the exposed parts. When I take my shirt off my arms/forearms are reddishbrown and my upper arm and chest area are yellow lol

2elijah said:

purplemookiebut said:

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

There's nothing "nasty" about Reggie because of his darker complexion and many women find him "special", at least Kim did. Maybe you just have a taste for a lighter shade of chocolate. I'm sure Prince has relatives Reggie's complexion. They're just two brothas of a different shade, that's all.

[Edited 2/10/11 8:27am]

EXACTLY! wow.

catpark said:

purplemookiebut said:

ewww. he's nasty. thats her man...?? what's so special aout him???but then again i can't say i have jungle fever and like dark chocolate. but butterscotch and tan be it mixed races or latino we can kick it baby joint to joint. i mean my one and only month long fling was puerto rican,german,arabic and that guy was gorgeous!

yes prince is fine as hell but he's as pale as my ass (sometimes) i love prince's skintone. especially in the alphabet st video with the teal outfit

no light blondes or redheads please for me! well axl rose used to hot. does strawberry count in that?

[Edited 2/9/11 22:37pm]

God, thats so wrong. u should like men for who they are not for the colour of there skin. Jungle fever? are u serious?

On top of that, who the hell needs to go to the freaking jungle to catch a fever to love a Black man regardless of his shade? Just being wrapped up in the arms of one that treats you good, is fine with me. Just sayin'

[Edited 2/10/11 9:18am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

nursev said:

Not trying to be funny but besides his genes the climate/area that he is from has alot to do with his color I'm originally from Michigan and my mother/family is the same compexion as Prince My complexion was light also, but when I moved to the Southwest I got darker Just saying that climate has alot to do with it

Yes it does.

There are some people it doesn't matter though. Some 'white' people tan easy and others 'burn' get red.

I work with 2 people 1 Italian the other for French heritage on both sides (NY state) in the winter time they still hold a tan coloring. In the summer time they are seriously the same color of that darker scan of the Prince album.

My god-brother is biracial 1/2white1/2black and he now lives in Tenessee(military) and he just doesn't tan. I can show you pictures of him from year around and he's the same color.

For me I can get a nice tan, and then go to a lighter color in the Fall/Winter. But the only parts that tan of course are the exposed parts. When I take my shirt off my arms/forearms are reddishbrown and my upper arm and chest area are yellow lol

Just shows the diversity in our heritage, Actually, in the Summer I have the same issue my hands, arms and legs usually tan, but when I take off my clothes my skin tone is still very light giving that two/toned effect Dammitt! the stuff we go thru But like I was saying it's cold as hell in Minnesota and Michigan and those northern states and it does have alot to do with complexion. Just as a sidebar, when my son was born he was so light he looked white the nurses were like is this your baby When people come to my house and see his baby pic they can't believe it's him He has grown into a nice caramel complexion now some Old ladies dream

nursev said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes it does.

There are some people it doesn't matter though. Some 'white' people tan easy and others 'burn' get red.

I work with 2 people 1 Italian the other for French heritage on both sides (NY state) in the winter time they still hold a tan coloring. In the summer time they are seriously the same color of that darker scan of the Prince album.

My god-brother is biracial 1/2white1/2black and he now lives in Tenessee(military) and he just doesn't tan. I can show you pictures of him from year around and he's the same color.

For me I can get a nice tan, and then go to a lighter color in the Fall/Winter. But the only parts that tan of course are the exposed parts. When I take my shirt off my arms/forearms are reddishbrown and my upper arm and chest area are yellow lol

Just shows the diversity in our heritage, Actually, in the Summer I have the same issue my hands, arms and legs usually tan, but when I take off my clothes my skin tone is still very light giving that two/toned effect Dammitt! the stuff we go thru But like I was saying it's cold as hell in Minnesota and Michigan and those northern states and it does have alot to do with complexion. Just as a sidebar, when my son was born he was so light he looked white the nurses were like is this your baby When people come to my house and see his baby pic they can't believe it's him He has grown into a nice caramel complexion now some Old ladies dream

yeah that's always the interesting stuff when dealing with people of obvious mix ancestry

a guy I know, who by visuals is dark skinned married a biracial:1/2 whiteblack woman they had 1 daughter who when born was very brown very smooth coloring and within a few years she was maybe 2 shades darker than her white/pink colored mother

OldFriends4Sale said:

PurpleLove7 said:

... not one of my favorite photos / pics of Prince but, he was as brown-skin'd as I am now before he became a Vegan, purplemookiebut.

lol Prince was alway very fair complexioned. I'm that color in the Spring & Summer and lighter in the Fall & Winter. Prince was probably in the sun a bit when he took this pic.

no, its a misconception the being Vegitarian will cause your skin to lighten. But having iron deficent anemia can make your skin pale, and you are suseptible to getting anemia if you dont keep an eye on your iron intake, which vegitarians have to deal with.
thats all

I mean this is Prince from the same time and he's as light as the host. And they didn't use much make up then or would have definately used a wrong tone on him and Prince probably would have looked darker if they did...like on Lena Horn

[Edited 2/10/11 9:00am]

I was gonna make a comment but then I saw this last pic ^^^ and forgot what I was gonna type.

I'm not a fan of Kim or Reggie. He likes what he likes and I honestly don't find him all that attractive, he looks like a regular Black man, that I see every day.

Everyone has physical preferences and they shouldn't be knocked for that. It's when you decided you're NOT gonna "date" (for lack of a better word here) someone or a group of people based on stereotypes of what you THINK they are like.

**distracted by the zebra print bulge again**

Um...

Oh yeah. As far as Prince's skin, let's keep in mind lighting, which folks seem to forget about. Not every photograph has the same quality or is lit the same. Also, P wears makeup which can also slightly alfer skintone. I doubt it has anything to do with his diet.

And Shelby's outfits are hits and misses. I have no problems with her bald head, many Black women sport that style and I admire them for it cause it sure takes balls in this day and age where every Black woman is sporting a weave down to their asses.

All I know is that her boots on Monday night were rocking and they HAD to have been custom made, I'm thinking by the same person/people who make Prince's boots. She ain't no small girl (neither am I, so I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just a fact), and she was stomping and jumping in those boots like they were sneakers. I want me a pair. Shoot. The upper part of the ensemble I coulda done w/o, it kinda looked like she wrapped herself with a bedsheet. And honestly, I don't remember what the other two were wearing, Shelby is honestly the only one I notice.

I feel like they kinda pick out their own outfits... but then again John Blackwell had on one of those Chinese pajama looking things with the matching hat and I don't know ANYONE who would PURPOSELY pick that to wear on stage.

[Edited 2/10/11 9:13am]

prince is black.. end of story Black people /WHITE ppl and eventhing in between come in different shades

i seen a dark fullblooded white person and ive seen a light as fullblooded black person who is much lighter than prince

i wish people would quit this race breakdown it only gets worst the more we break it apart the more

we are heading down ethnic -racism in a couple years it wont be all kosher when people start hating you because ur white person from the north europe or black person from north africa and soon c-section babies vs natural birth babies to --Gattaca now ... that would be a pretty picture

PicklesMcMillan said:

prince is black.. end of story Black people /WHITE ppl and eventhing in between come in different shades

i seen a dark fullblooded white person and ive seen a light as fullblooded black person who is much lighter than prince

i wish people would quit this race breakdown it only gets worst the more we break it apart the more

we are heading down ethnic -racism in a couple years it wont be all kosher when people start hating you because ur white person from the north europe or black person from north africa and soon c-section babies vs natural birth babies to --Gattaca now ... that would be a pretty picture

I was wondering how this thread spiraled out of control like this over skin color.

jaybendy said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

lol Prince was alway very fair complexioned. I'm that color in the Spring & Summer and lighter in the Fall & Winter. Prince was probably in the sun a bit when he took this pic.

no, its a misconception the being Vegitarian will cause your skin to lighten. But having iron deficent anemia can make your skin pale, and you are suseptible to getting anemia if you dont keep an eye on your iron intake, which vegitarians have to deal with.
thats all

I mean this is Prince from the same time and he's as light as the host. And they didn't use much make up then or would have definately used a wrong tone on him and Prince probably would have looked darker if they did...like on Lena Horn

[Edited 2/10/11 9:00am]

I was gonna make a comment but then I saw this last pic ^^^ and forgot what I was gonna type.

I'm not a fan of Kim or Reggie. He likes what he likes and I honestly don't find him all that attractive, he looks like a regular Black man, that I see every day.

Everyone has physical preferences and they shouldn't be knocked for that. It's when you decided you're NOT gonna "date" (for lack of a better word here) someone or a group of people based on stereotypes of what you THINK they are like.

**distracted by the zebra print bulge again**

Um...

Oh yeah. As far as Prince's skin, let's keep in mind lighting, which folks seem to forget about. Not every photograph has the same quality or is lit the same. Also, P wears makeup which can also slightly alfer skintone. I doubt it has anything to do with his diet.

And Shelby's outfits are hits and misses. I have no problems with her bald head, many Black women sport that style and I admire them for it cause it sure takes balls in this day and age where every Black woman is sporting a weave down to their asses.

All I know is that her boots on Monday night were rocking and they HAD to have been custom made, I'm thinking by the same person/people who make Prince's boots. She ain't no small girl (neither am I, so I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just a fact), and she was stomping and jumping in those boots like they were sneakers. I want me a pair. Shoot. The upper part of the ensemble I coulda done w/o, it kinda looked like she wrapped herself with a bedsheet. And honestly, I don't remember what the other two were wearing, Shelby is honestly the only one I notice.

I feel like they kinda pick out their own outfits... but then again John Blackwell had on one of those Chinese pajama looking things with the matching hat and I don't know ANYONE who would PURPOSELY pick that to wear on stage.

[Edited 2/10/11 9:13am]

LOL you made me laugh

Yes lighting affects people differently. But Prince was always very fair complexioned. He's probably not in the sun as much as he probably was in his younger years. But you can see in early pics around the same time as the album that make up or not he's very light, cause you can see his whole body for the most part and they don't put make up all on his legs and stomach and what not

but I always wonder does Shelby have some kind of condition or something because her head looks really huge. Was she always bald and just wore the hat scarves on her head to cover it up?