as undisputable proof that my earlier post was correct, the illuminated pulled down the org for the past couple of days. i now fear for my life

unique said:

as undisputable proof that my earlier post was correct, the illuminated pulled down the org for the past couple of days. i now fear for my life

I was going to post the same thing. Everyone change your names and enter seclusion, quickly!!!!

Chiquetet said:

But geez, I really miss my dad.

That one went over everybody's head.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

My own personal thoughts about Prince's possibly being in the Illuminati have nothing to do with that video...

That's good news. Makes more sense.

I honestly think alot of "fans" refuse to believe certain things about their beloved celebs so that they don't have to justify why they are still fans. I know many fans of another well beloved celeb(whose name I won't mention) refuse to believe anything negative about him even when its right there in their face.

Hey, I've been there and still am there....there are things about Prince that I just don't believe or wanna hear. If we believed he could starve his wife, kill his baby, beat on women, steal money from people, or whatever else has been said about him...then really, why are ANY of us here?

I believe about half of the stories are based on some truth that gets exaggerated, misrepresented, embellished, etc... to various extents and about half of them are just plain made up.

I don't doubt that Prince has what could be classed as a very dubious past - perhaps more than most, perhaps not entirely past - and I don't have an issue with people accepting that for what it is and still being a fan. In fact I agree it's much healthier than having purple blinkers on and believing that Prince can do no wrong, right down to the idea that he could never cheat, lie, etc..

But I was working off what is depicted in the video (which I think most of us are in agreement has nothing to do with, well, anything) and the intent and premeditation required for what they were implying suggested something exceptionally dark and I would still put it in a different basket again.

fnord

Chiquetet said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

My own personal thoughts about Prince's possibly being in the Illuminati have nothing to do with that video...

That's good news. Makes more sense.

I honestly think alot of "fans" refuse to believe certain things about their beloved celebs so that they don't have to justify why they are still fans. I know many fans of another well beloved celeb(whose name I won't mention) refuse to believe anything negative about him even when its right there in their face.

Hey, I've been there and still am there....there are things about Prince that I just don't believe or wanna hear. If we believed he could starve his wife, kill his baby, beat on women, steal money from people, or whatever else has been said about him...then really, why are ANY of us here?

I believe about half of the stories are based on some truth that gets exaggerated, misrepresented, embellished, etc... to various extents and about half of them are just plain made up.

I don't doubt that Prince has what could be classed as a very dubious past - perhaps more than most, perhaps not entirely past - and I don't have an issue with people accepting that for what it is and still being a fan. In fact I agree it's much healthier than having purple blinkers on and believing that Prince can do no wrong, right down to the idea that he could never cheat, lie, etc..

But I was working off what is depicted in the video (which I think most of us are in agreement has nothing to do with, well, anything) and the intent and premeditation required for what they were implying suggested something exceptionally dark and I would still put it in a different basket again.

I think believing Prince could lie or cheat is one thing...but believing he starved a pregnant woman or stole money from people is another. And his affliction for young girls...if one believes he slept with them before they were adults, then who in their right mind would support a man like that? Surely no one with a daughter! I find it incredibly dangerous for people to believe all the rumors that are spread about celebs...I thnk it is very naive anyway to believe everything you hear on tv. Or automatically convict someone without hearing all the facts...like in the case of Prince cheating...anyone ever asked Prince his side of the story? There are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story and things aren't always what they seem.

This thread broke the org

A couple of days ago,

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Do you realize that Prince was no more than probably 17-18 when he got involved with the Illuminati, like many other youngs stars. The illuminati can mask their intentions very well....they didn't start out as a negative entity. Prince was a young man hungry for success...you bet he'd do anything to get to the top!

But when he realized what it was all about...he did what he had to do to get out of it. Ever wonder why Prince does things that seem to sabotage himself? Why? To devalue himself and make the illuminati not have interest in him anymore. Prince don't talk in code for nothing. He KNOWS something...just like he said all those years ago about MJ "leave that brother alone, he knows something all of us don't." Prince got out, he was one of the lucky ones he was able to get out, but as one can see, he isn't as "free" as he'd like you be. But he ruined his own career to lose importance to the Illuminati, so they let him go. But once you're in....a part of you will always play by their rules!

Don't be fooled folks, the illuminati is very alive and very real. And has control over many, many artists in the business.

More recently,

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I find it incredibly dangerous for people to believe all the rumors that are spread about celebs...I thnk it is very naive anyway to believe everything you hear on tv. Or automatically convict someone without hearing all the facts...like in the case of Prince cheating...anyone ever asked Prince his side of the story? There are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story and things aren't always what they seem.

I personally think it is 1000 times more likely that Prince cheated on at least one, probably multiple, girlfriends (possibly concurrently ) than it is that he is or ever was a member of the Illuminati.

I find it puzzling that you appear to be knee-deep in conspiracy theories involving your favourite celebs, yet here are saying that you find it "incredibly dangerous" for people to believe all the rumours, and that it's very naive to believe everything you hear on TV (what about the internet?)

That said, this is kinda going around in circles, so I'm bailing out of the thread. Yet again, I think we're at one of those junctions where we agree to disagree

btw, babynoz, probably for the best

I'zz B good masta. Uzz punished me Mmm, Mmm, good. I'zz nolonga B Silylee. I'zz B (TOBY) now.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Tremolina said:

Yes I have checked those claims from those conspiracy theorists, which is why I know they are bullshit. Have you? No because anybody who did would know these people don't have any serious credentials and have their own selfish, evil agenda to spread hatefull lies. Yet you firmly believe in them and are obviously blinded by emotion. Now THAT is dangerous stuff.

Honey please take some advice: call Dan Brown to explain to you what the Illuminati really WERE and if you are really, really wise: stop reading these crappy internet sites from people with their own evil agenda, before your brain starts crashing again from all those MJ/Illuminati/Prince crap theories.

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[Edited 12/3/10 9:04am]

I to have looked into the existance of the Illuminati...for a few years now. I've also gotten to speak with a couple people that have been around alot longer than I. Which is why I *know* the Illuminati is alive and well and there are many, many people involved in this...whether knowingly or unknowingly. And that isn't BS, or conspiracy theories, etc.

If you had looked into some of the points that have been made about the Illuminati, then looked into the stuf yourself, then you would believe it to. Unless you don't believe anything even when its right in your face. I had someone say "the illuminati is bs, no one even has anything to do with that anymore." Until they see certain celebs and their illuminati symbolism...including wearing jewelry with the illuminati symbol on there..or making a video that is directly symbolic of Illuminati beliefs..there is so much more!

Could you explain to me the reason for flashing Illuminati signs in everyone's faces? What good comes out of it?

Chiquetet said:

I personally think it is 1000 times more likely that Prince cheated on at least one, probably multiple, girlfriends (possibly concurrently ) than it is that he is or ever was a member of the Illuminati.

I find it puzzling that you appear to be knee-deep in conspiracy theories involving your favourite celebs, yet here are saying that you find it "incredibly dangerous" for people to believe all the rumours, and that it's very naive to believe everything you hear on TV (what about the internet?)

I agree... she has been posting in threads for months, batting away every last shred of reality when it comes to anything that puts Prince in a bad light (although, conversely, ready to believe the absolute worst about everyone else) and yet apparently is completely open to wackadoo nonsense like this.

It's pretty well established that Prince has been with more than one person at the same time, even when engaged/married, and we know he's groomed more than one minor (Anna, Mayte)... there's evidence for all of this and yet somehow this illuminati ridiculousness is a possibility.

Chiquetet said:

A couple of days ago,

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Do you realize that Prince was no more than probably 17-18 when he got involved with the Illuminati, like many other youngs stars. The illuminati can mask their intentions very well....they didn't start out as a negative entity. Prince was a young man hungry for success...you bet he'd do anything to get to the top!

But when he realized what it was all about...he did what he had to do to get out of it. Ever wonder why Prince does things that seem to sabotage himself? Why? To devalue himself and make the illuminati not have interest in him anymore. Prince don't talk in code for nothing. He KNOWS something...just like he said all those years ago about MJ "leave that brother alone, he knows something all of us don't." Prince got out, he was one of the lucky ones he was able to get out, but as one can see, he isn't as "free" as he'd like you be. But he ruined his own career to lose importance to the Illuminati, so they let him go. But once you're in....a part of you will always play by their rules!

Don't be fooled folks, the illuminati is very alive and very real. And has control over many, many artists in the business.

More recently,

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I find it incredibly dangerous for people to believe all the rumors that are spread about celebs...I thnk it is very naive anyway to believe everything you hear on tv. Or automatically convict someone without hearing all the facts...like in the case of Prince cheating...anyone ever asked Prince his side of the story? There are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story and things aren't always what they seem.

I personally think it is 1000 times more likely that Prince cheated on at least one, probably multiple, girlfriends (possibly concurrently ) than it is that he is or ever was a member of the Illuminati.

I find it puzzling that you appear to be knee-deep in conspiracy theories involving your favourite celebs, yet here are saying that you find it "incredibly dangerous" for people to believe all the rumours, and that it's very naive to believe everything you hear on TV (what about the internet?)

That said, this is kinda going around in circles, so I'm bailing out of the thread. Yet again, I think we're at one of those junctions where we agree to disagree

btw, babynoz, probably for the best

You're probably right

Anyhoo, I don't get it either. Apparently we shouldn't believe everything we see on TV or read...only what's posted on Youtube.

BELIEVE NONE OF WHAT YOU HEAR

AND HALF OF WHAT U SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My final words on this silly topic that really should be locked & STAY locked!

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Chiquetet said:

I believe about half of the stories are based on some truth that gets exaggerated, misrepresented, embellished, etc... to various extents and about half of them are just plain made up.

I don't doubt that Prince has what could be classed as a very dubious past - perhaps more than most, perhaps not entirely past - and I don't have an issue with people accepting that for what it is and still being a fan. In fact I agree it's much healthier than having purple blinkers on and believing that Prince can do no wrong, right down to the idea that he could never cheat, lie, etc..

But I was working off what is depicted in the video (which I think most of us are in agreement has nothing to do with, well, anything) and the intent and premeditation required for what they were implying suggested something exceptionally dark and I would still put it in a different basket again.

I think believing Prince could lie or cheat is one thing...but believing he starved a pregnant woman or stole money from people is another. And his affliction for young girls...if one believes he slept with them before they were adults, then who in their right mind would support a man like that? Surely no one with a daughter! I find it incredibly dangerous for people to believe all the rumors that are spread about celebs...I thnk it is very naive anyway to believe everything you hear on tv. Or automatically convict someone without hearing all the facts...like in the case of Prince cheating...anyone ever asked Prince his side of the story? There are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story and things aren't always what they seem.

It's not been said anywhere that he slept with underage girls, but we know that he met Mayte and Anna Garcia before they were legal. In fact, he even moved the latter in to his home on or around her 18th birthday.

So.....

errant said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I think believing Prince could lie or cheat is one thing...but believing he starved a pregnant woman or stole money from people is another. And his affliction for young girls...if one believes he slept with them before they were adults, then who in their right mind would support a man like that? Surely no one with a daughter! I find it incredibly dangerous for people to believe all the rumors that are spread about celebs...I thnk it is very naive anyway to believe everything you hear on tv. Or automatically convict someone without hearing all the facts...like in the case of Prince cheating...anyone ever asked Prince his side of the story? There are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story and things aren't always what they seem.

It's not been said anywhere that he slept with underage girls, but we know that he met Mayte and Anna Garcia before they were legal. In fact, he even moved the latter in to his home on or around her 18th birthday.

So.....

I'll go ahead and say Prince defo fucked Anna Garcia and Mayte Garcia before they were 18.

Call Mayte up right now, ask her about it. If she denies, it means she did it.

And as far as Anna?

She was born in 1973.

She met Prince when she was 16, was living with him by the time she was 17.

Pretty sure Prince was fucking her the entire time considering she did not turn 18 until Dec 31 1991. Or maybe she was just living with him for 2 years, writing songs like "Lemon Crush" about her (BTW - I wonder where, at the age of 16, she found out about alcoholic drinks to the point of having a "favorite" one), and it was totally platonic. Right? Don't believe everything you hear...

[Edited 12/5/10 21:29pm]

Spinlight said:

errant said:

It's not been said anywhere that he slept with underage girls, but we know that he met Mayte and Anna Garcia before they were legal. In fact, he even moved the latter in to his home on or around her 18th birthday.

So.....

I'll go ahead and say Prince defo fucked Anna Garcia and Mayte Garcia before they were 18.

Call Mayte up right now, ask her about it. If she denies, it means she did it.

And as far as Anna?

She was born in 1973.

She met Prince when she was 16, was living with him by the time she was 17.

Pretty sure Prince was fucking her the entire time considering she did not turn 18 until Dec 31 1991. Or maybe she was just living with him for 2 years, writing songs like "Lemon Crush" about her (BTW - I wonder where, at the age of 16, she found out about alcoholic drinks to the point of having a "favorite" one), and it was totally platonic. Right? Don't believe everything you hear...

[Edited 12/5/10 21:29pm]

He wrote "Pink Cashmere" about her too, right? No way that song is about a sweater.

Yeah, Anna was living with him before she even turned 18. There's no way "something" wasn't going on, then...

errant said:

Spinlight said:

I'll go ahead and say Prince defo fucked Anna Garcia and Mayte Garcia before they were 18.

Call Mayte up right now, ask her about it. If she denies, it means she did it.

And as far as Anna?

She was born in 1973.

She met Prince when she was 16, was living with him by the time she was 17.

Pretty sure Prince was fucking her the entire time considering she did not turn 18 until Dec 31 1991. Or maybe she was just living with him for 2 years, writing songs like "Lemon Crush" about her (BTW - I wonder where, at the age of 16, she found out about alcoholic drinks to the point of having a "favorite" one), and it was totally platonic. Right? Don't believe everything you hear...

[Edited 12/5/10 21:29pm]

He wrote "Pink Cashmere" about her too, right? No way that song is about a sweater.

And Vickie Waiting which was Anna Waiting. Yeah, writing a song about thinking about having children with a 15/16 year old.

Chiquetet said:

A couple of days ago,

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Do you realize that Prince was no more than probably 17-18 when he got involved with the Illuminati, like many other youngs stars. The illuminati can mask their intentions very well....they didn't start out as a negative entity. Prince was a young man hungry for success...you bet he'd do anything to get to the top!

But when he realized what it was all about...he did what he had to do to get out of it. Ever wonder why Prince does things that seem to sabotage himself? Why? To devalue himself and make the illuminati not have interest in him anymore. Prince don't talk in code for nothing. He KNOWS something...just like he said all those years ago about MJ "leave that brother alone, he knows something all of us don't." Prince got out, he was one of the lucky ones he was able to get out, but as one can see, he isn't as "free" as he'd like you be. But he ruined his own career to lose importance to the Illuminati, so they let him go. But once you're in....a part of you will always play by their rules!

Don't be fooled folks, the illuminati is very alive and very real. And has control over many, many artists in the business.

More recently,

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I find it incredibly dangerous for people to believe all the rumors that are spread about celebs...I thnk it is very naive anyway to believe everything you hear on tv. Or automatically convict someone without hearing all the facts...like in the case of Prince cheating...anyone ever asked Prince his side of the story? There are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story and things aren't always what they seem.

I personally think it is 1000 times more likely that Prince cheated on at least one, probably multiple, girlfriends (possibly concurrently ) than it is that he is or ever was a member of the Illuminati.

I find it puzzling that you appear to be knee-deep in conspiracy theories involving your favourite celebs, yet here are saying that you find it "incredibly dangerous" for people to believe all the rumours, and that it's very naive to believe everything you hear on TV (what about the internet?)

That said, this is kinda going around in circles, so I'm bailing out of the thread. Yet again, I think we're at one of those junctions where we agree to disagree

btw, babynoz, probably for the best

You assume that I'm going on rumors when I say Prince could have possibly been in the Illuminati. That is a huge claim, please don't assume I haven't fully researched what I am thinking... It's not a rumor if you can verify it! But it is useless. Like I said...he may have been in at one point, but I don't think he is now...who knows!?!

jtfolden said:

Chiquetet said:

I personally think it is 1000 times more likely that Prince cheated on at least one, probably multiple, girlfriends (possibly concurrently ) than it is that he is or ever was a member of the Illuminati.

I find it puzzling that you appear to be knee-deep in conspiracy theories involving your favourite celebs, yet here are saying that you find it "incredibly dangerous" for people to believe all the rumours, and that it's very naive to believe everything you hear on TV (what about the internet?)

I agree... she has been posting in threads for months, batting away every last shred of reality when it comes to anything that puts Prince in a bad light (although, conversely, ready to believe the absolute worst about everyone else) and yet apparently is completely open to wackadoo nonsense like this.

It's pretty well established that Prince has been with more than one person at the same time, even when engaged/married, and we know he's groomed more than one minor (Anna, Mayte)... there's evidence for all of this and yet somehow this illuminati ridiculousness is a possibility.

I love how when you make your claims you say "its well established or well known." That has never meant anything more than..."this rumor was brought up several times and so it must be true." Yes, you must be all knowing wackadoo... I hear what people say, if there is truth to it, then ok. If its just bs from folks like that claim to be all knowing, then I'm leaving it as bs. I never said Prince didn't cheat, I said has anyone asked his side of the story...reading AND comprehending is fundamental!

Spinlight said:

errant said:

It's not been said anywhere that he slept with underage girls, but we know that he met Mayte and Anna Garcia before they were legal. In fact, he even moved the latter in to his home on or around her 18th birthday.

So.....

I'll go ahead and say Prince defo fucked Anna Garcia and Mayte Garcia before they were 18.

Call Mayte up right now, ask her about it. If she denies, it means she did it.

And as far as Anna?

She was born in 1973.

She met Prince when she was 16, was living with him by the time she was 17.

Pretty sure Prince was fucking her the entire time considering she did not turn 18 until Dec 31 1991. Or maybe she was just living with him for 2 years, writing songs like "Lemon Crush" about her (BTW - I wonder where, at the age of 16, she found out about alcoholic drinks to the point of having a "favorite" one), and it was totally platonic. Right? Don't believe everything you hear...

[Edited 12/5/10 21:29pm]

Interesting points you make...

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Chiquetet said:

A couple of days ago,

I personally think it is 1000 times more likely that Prince cheated on at least one, probably multiple, girlfriends (possibly concurrently ) than it is that he is or ever was a member of the Illuminati.

I find it puzzling that you appear to be knee-deep in conspiracy theories involving your favourite celebs, yet here are saying that you find it "incredibly dangerous" for people to believe all the rumours, and that it's very naive to believe everything you hear on TV (what about the internet?)

That said, this is kinda going around in circles, so I'm bailing out of the thread. Yet again, I think we're at one of those junctions where we agree to disagree

btw, babynoz, probably for the best

You assume that I'm going on rumors when I say Prince could have possibly been in the Illuminati. That is a huge claim, please don't assume I haven't fully researched what I am thinking... It's not a rumor if you can verify it! But it is useless. Like I said...he may have been in at one point, but I don't think he is now...who knows!?!

The problem with your type of rhetoric is that it attempts to bend the limits of a given variable instead of just offering a new variable altogether. You're insinuating that the people colloquially known as the Illuminati would just induct a person into their fold and then let them leave whenever they choose. From all of the information based on this loosely organized group that is out there, this is an impossibility as that is not how it works. Think of it in terms like the mafia. Once you get in, you don't get out.

Prince's public mention of things like Osama bin Laden (1998), the control of the rich over the poor (1998, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010), chem trails (Tavis Smiley 2009 interview), and the references to "strange numbers" and "shadowy figures" in re: his record and marriage contracts (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000) are all huge No No's in the world of the "Illuminati".

I think that your loose grasp of what the Illuminati represents is showing faults in your argument (or rather that your argument is invalid). I know a lot of people don't take this sort of talk very seriously, because that's exactly the point and purpose. People crack jokes about "Illuminati" in one breath and then talk about the threat of Globalization and World Government in the other without seeing the fact they are one and the same. America is a great example of an Illuminati-run nation. Anyone who does not see traces of the book 1984, the movie Total Recall, or the video game Final Fantasy 7 in today's society is not looking with their eyes open. I could probably go on and on about this topic, but it's usually one of those things people just come to on their own when they do the research.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Spinlight said:

I'll go ahead and say Prince defo fucked Anna Garcia and Mayte Garcia before they were 18.

Call Mayte up right now, ask her about it. If she denies, it means she did it.

And as far as Anna?

She was born in 1973.

She met Prince when she was 16, was living with him by the time she was 17.

Pretty sure Prince was fucking her the entire time considering she did not turn 18 until Dec 31 1991. Or maybe she was just living with him for 2 years, writing songs like "Lemon Crush" about her (BTW - I wonder where, at the age of 16, she found out about alcoholic drinks to the point of having a "favorite" one), and it was totally platonic. Right? Don't believe everything you hear...

[Edited 12/5/10 21:29pm]

Interesting points you make...

Right?

So tell me why Prince was carousing with 2 girls under 18. He met Mayte in Germany during the Nude tour, as well.

Here's what the wiki on Anna Fantastic states:

At the age of sixteen, Anna met the musician Prince at his concert in London. At seventeen, she lived with Prince in Minneapolis, Minnesota.^[1] On Anna's 18th birthday, Prince gave her a pink cashmere coat, thus leading to the song "Pink Cashmere" that would be released in 1993. Anna inspired the songs "Vicki Waiting" (an 18th-birthday gift for Anna, originally titled "Anna Waiting") and "Lemon Crush" (her favorite drink) on Prince's Batman soundtrack from 1989. She also wrote the song "Fantasia Erotica", which resurfaced on Carmen Electra's debut album in 1992. Liner notes from the Batman soundtrack, released in 1989, credits Garcia as "Anna Fantastic".^[2] Anna is featured on the Prince Madhouse #3 album, on the 18-minute song "The Dopamine Rush Suite". and is credited as Anna Garcia.^[3]

If Prince met Anna Garcia when she was 16, he would've had to have met her between the days of December 31, 1989 and December 30, 1990.

On her 18th birthday, he gave her the coat referencing the song "Pink Cashmere". It would be impossible that Prince gave her the coat on her 18th birthday as that was in 1991. "Pink Cashmere" was recorded for placement on the Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic album in 1988. Additionally, "Anna Waiting" and "Lemon Crush" were both recorded in 1988 as well. At the time of the writing and recording of songs like "Anna Waiting"/"Vickie Waiting", "Lemon Crush" and "Pink Cashmere", Anna Garcia was 14. She turned 15 on Dec 31 1988, 17 on Dec 31 1990, and so on.

Either Anna Garcia lies heavily about her age and she was born well before 1973, or Prince was having sex with a very young minor and writing songs about getting her drunk and fucking her.

[Edited 12/6/10 0:01am]

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

You assume that I'm going on rumors when I say Prince could have possibly been in the Illuminati. That is a huge claim, please don't assume I haven't fully researched what I am thinking... It's not a rumor if you can verify it! But it is useless. Like I said...he may have been in at one point, but I don't think he is now...who knows!?!

You have not verified it properly. You claim you have, but it's just like how you respond to rumours:

You claim it, yet you do not substantiate your claims in any way whatsoever.

If you have, you can tell me now straight ahead what the Illuminati WERE, what their true history is.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I love how when you make your claims you say "its well established or well known." That has never meant anything more than..."this rumor was brought up several times and so it must be true."

No, that's apparently the delusion you keep telling yourself about everything you don't want to believe. It's "well established or well known" when people directly involved have relayed that information in publicly available sources. Just because you're too lazy or too far up Prince's virtual backside to actually look the info up for yourself doesn't just make it unfounded speculation. If you can research the Illuminati then you really shouldn't have trouble discovering details about mundane affairs. The timeline of available info for several of his relationships on top of the known info makes it pretty crystal clear about his 'fiddling' with minors and the concurrence of relationships.

Heck, other fans right here in the community have directly observed some of these things (such as Mani wearing Mayte's dresses, as just one example).

Just now you stated;

You assume that I'm going on rumors when I say Prince could have possibly been in the Illuminati. That is a huge claim, please don't assume I haven't fully researched what I am thinking... It's not a rumor if you can verify it!

...and you want to talk about others posting about unfounded rumors??? That's rich.

Regarding secret societies in general

The leaders of the international banking cartel have wealth far beyond anything you can possibly imagine. Some sources list it at $300 trillion. Many of their businesses are privately held, which means that it would be hard to value them. With anonymous corporate ownership, it's hard to tell what their shareholdings are. Their private businesses are held in trusts that provide anonymity and tax protection. Plus, the international banking cartel doesn't just control businesses. They have their own spy networks and control governments. They have completely infiltrated most world governments. How would you place a market value on complete control of the US government? How would you place a market value on control of people via educational systems and the media?

The international banking cartel has a policy of intermarriage with relatives. This ensures that their wealth is not diluted. There are probably 50-100 insiders who have nearly full knowledge of the operations, all of them related to one another. They are able to keep their activities a secret, because the members would be killed if they defected. Every member is probably under constant surveillance by all other members; he couldn't effectively defect even if he wanted to.

This group of 50-100 insiders probably elect someone as their leader. Democracy is effective when everyone knows everyone else. On a scale of 50-100 people, it's possible for the leader to keep track of everything, and for everyone else to keep track of the leader.

So that's the richest man in the world. He's the Supreme Leader of Humanity, and knows it. His net worth is effectively the value of the entire world's economy. His organization has been using the Compound Interest Paradox for hundreds of years, enabling him to steal almost all of the world's wealth.

Most of the real work is delegated to outsiders. The outsiders are even deluded into thinking they have real power and influence. Just like several different layers of holding companies disguise corporate ownership, they have several different layers of secret societies to disguise the real power. Each layer gets power and privileges denied to lower layers. Each member is threatened with being killed or expelled if they reveal their secrets. That's how they disguise their power.

Most people are trained to believe that if you want power and influence, you need to be on television and in newspapers. It's much better to be the person who controls television and newspapers. It's better to be able to choose who the official rulers are. If your power is publicly known, then you're the target. The Supreme Leader of Humanity knows better than to announce his existence on television. Everyone would revolt against him if they figured out what was going on.

Besides, can you really blame the Supreme Leader of Humanity? After all, if he didn't do it, someone else would have instead. It's better to be the ruler than the slave. On the other hand, he has full awareness of all the things that his organization has done. He conditions other people to believe these things are bad, but he has no morals of that sort. His only goal is the accumulation of power.

What are the Supreme Leader of Humanity's crimes?

He has kept people poor, so they would be obedient workers. Poor people have no choice but to take a pointless time-wasting job.

He has kept people poor, to prevent them from having the spare time to detect his existence and oppose him.

He has stolen all of the productivity gains of a growing economy, and kept them for himself.

He has orchestrated wars. War destroys surplus productive capacity, and helps keep people poor. War is an excuse for governments to seize more power. War helps distract attention from himself. War is an excuse for governments to take on debt, allowing the Compound Interest Paradox to help him steal more wealth.

He has retarded scientific progress. His inner circle possesses inventions that are 50-100 years more advanced than what the average person possesses. Most scientific research is funded by the government. By infiltrating the government, he can decide what discoveries the public is allowed to have.

In every war for the past 300 years, he has secretly funded both sides. He has supported the USA, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Communist China, al Qaeda, and every other major world power. Whenever a leader gets wise to his manipulations, that leader is assassinated or defeated.

He has made sure that there were variations in religion, and that people could be made to fight each other based on their religion.

He has agents working in every world government.

He has made sure that people are taught lies. He and his inner circle know the real truth, not the lies that are spread to the average person. That makes it easier for his inner circle to operate efficiently, because they are not encumbered with the false knowledge everyone else has.

He has made sure that everyone else has been taught morality and religion. He knows that they are just lies that make people more obedient slaves. (On the other hand, I disagree with The Supreme Leader of Humanity on this point. I think there is some intrinsic truth to morality. The accumulation of power is not the only goal that matters. Unfortunately, in a battle between someone who only cares about power and someone who values other things as well, the person who only cares about power usually wins. The only reason that evil might lose is because evil is inefficient.)

He controls all television and newspapers. That raises an interesting question. Why has he allowed the Internet to exist? Surely he could have crushed it as it was being created, when only military researchers used it. He could have destroyed it through excessive regulation. Did he intentionally leak the secret of the transistor and the Internet? What was the purpose of that?

What is there left for The Supreme Leader of Humanity to do? Is he completely and utterly insane? Is he bored? He doesn't view himself as a benevolent ruler. He knows that he's responsible for all the world's suffering. He has complete and absolute power. What else is there for him to do?

Does he want to resign? Maybe he would be willing to do so, if only he could be convinced that someone else would not replace him. Maybe he's looking for a political and economic system that doesn't require a Supreme Leader in order to be stable. If he started dismantling his population control engine, his subordinates would be reluctant to give up their perks and privileged status. He can't publicly admit the truth, because his inner circle would kill him if he tried.

Doesn't he realize that his complete and total victory is the end of history? It's the end of all social progress and scientific progress. Nothing can happen, except in accordance with his plan. His victory is the effective extinction of humanity.

Has this story been repeated on every other world where intelligent life develops? Someone seizes absolute control and brings scientific progress to a halt. Is that the reason why intelligent life has not been discovered on other worlds?

Is it possible that I misanalysed things? Maybe the Supreme Leader of Humanity doesn't exist. Maybe there really are different groups competing with each other sincerely, rather than it being staged competition. Certainly, it seems like there's a malevolent force controlling everything. It's too well organized to be random. There are too many sensible rumors floating around for them to all be wrong.

You have to acknowledge that several secret groups exist. With several different competing secret groups, wouldn't it be natural for one group to win eventually? Has this group been in complete control for over 100 years?

It's impossible to be convinced one way or the other. Does the Supreme Leader of Humanity exist? I'm concerned that he might exist. What does he want? What is his purpose? He already has absolute power. He has technology far more advanced than what the average person knows about. What else can someone with absolute power want?

In a certain sense, it doesn't matter if the Supreme Leader of Humanity exists or not. There certainly are a lot of bad things happening. There needs to be an alternate mechanism for enabling people to work effectively.

Prince is very talented.

He hasnt been at any of the meetings lately.

He thinks he's too good for the illumminati now. We are going to bill him for his bowling shirt.

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Spinlight said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Interesting points you make...

Right?

So tell me why Prince was carousing with 2 girls under 18. He met Mayte in Germany during the Nude tour, as well.

Here's what the wiki on Anna Fantastic states:

At the age of sixteen, Anna met the musician Prince at his concert in London. At seventeen, she lived with Prince in Minneapolis, Minnesota.^[1] On Anna's 18th birthday, Prince gave her a pink cashmere coat, thus leading to the song "Pink Cashmere" that would be released in 1993. Anna inspired the songs "Vicki Waiting" (an 18th-birthday gift for Anna, originally titled "Anna Waiting") and "Lemon Crush" (her favorite drink) on Prince's Batman soundtrack from 1989. She also wrote the song "Fantasia Erotica", which resurfaced on Carmen Electra's debut album in 1992. Liner notes from the Batman soundtrack, released in 1989, credits Garcia as "Anna Fantastic".^[2] Anna is featured on the Prince Madhouse #3 album, on the 18-minute song "The Dopamine Rush Suite". and is credited as Anna Garcia.^[3]

If Prince met Anna Garcia when she was 16, he would've had to have met her between the days of December 31, 1989 and December 30, 1990.

On her 18th birthday, he gave her the coat referencing the song "Pink Cashmere". It would be impossible that Prince gave her the coat on her 18th birthday as that was in 1991. "Pink Cashmere" was recorded for placement on the Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic album in 1988. Additionally, "Anna Waiting" and "Lemon Crush" were both recorded in 1988 as well. At the time of the writing and recording of songs like "Anna Waiting"/"Vickie Waiting", "Lemon Crush" and "Pink Cashmere", Anna Garcia was 14. She turned 15 on Dec 31 1988, 17 on Dec 31 1990, and so on.

Either Anna Garcia lies heavily about her age and she was born well before 1973, or Prince was having sex with a very young minor and writing songs about getting her drunk and fucking her.

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From your posts I guess that your source for the age of Anna is wikipedia. I just looked into the wikipedia article on her: http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Fantastic

It says that "In 1988 she recorded a song "Ronnie - Talk To Russia!", written by German songwriter and former member of Modern Talking Dieter Bohlen." How likely is this information going to be correct? Now, first of all, do you guys know who Dieter Bohlen is? And he recorded a song coincodentally having the title of a Prince song with a 14-year old girl in 1988?

I think there is something extremely wrong with this Wikipedia article...

Btw, you use the article as a valid source of information, while we know it is incorrect! Pink Cashmere was written well before the day proposed to be the 18th birthday of Anna, according to her date of birth given in the article...