eelco said:

At some point he actually said that we shouldn't be looking for answers above, pointing to heaven but instead looking at ourselves, inside each and every one of us, reverting to his old dogmatic self-regulatory stance.. quote : "stop looking above, look here inside, inside every one of you". Makes one wonder what he meant by that....

I think he means God is inside everyone and we can find the answers by looking inwards, like our gut instinct etc.

Other than looking to some outside force all the time.

Cream was written, he said, while looking in the mirror.

Prince is into subconscious suggestion and one of the most powerfull ways to acheive this apparently is by looking in the mirror with your suggestions.

So the lyrics are him talking to his himself/his subconscious "Baby there ain't nobody better... your so cool, everything you do is success".

jtfolden said:

Cream is *presented* as a sex song but it is not. He wrote the song to himself, staring in a mirror.

The phrase "blow your own horn" is an age old, common way of saying 'don't be afraid to use/promote your talents'...

The whole song is Prince psyching himself up as the most talented, sexiest, hit-maker, rule-breaker in the business.

i never got that from that song...especially since it was written by Prince

just1lousydime said:

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

that's a stretch. I thought Willing and Able was the reference to what he wanted to do musically, but Cream was too filled with sexual innuendos to be about that

"U got the horn so why don't u blow it, u are fine, u're filthy cute and baby u know it."

Horn= anything but the brass instrument...

haven't you heard the expression "tooting your own horn" meaning bragging about yourself?

He gets bored easy, so you may be right. Hopefully you are, because the JWs are really draining his nest egg and hampering his musical talent.

NouveauDance said:

He's still saying the Bible is a history book , so I don't think there's much change going on

Really? When???

eelco said:

Hi all,

Yesterday I was in Antwerp witnessing a ROCKING show (meaning he played an awfull lot of guitar). That's not the reason for this thread actually.... During this show I somehow got the impression that his Jehova Witnesses days might be over. I am not saying they ARE, it's just an impression I got.

Why?

One of the songs performed was ''The Love We Make''; stunning and rough but that's not the point. At some point he actually said that we shouldn't be looking for answers above, pointing to heaven but instead looking at ourselves, inside each and every one of us, reverting to his old dogmatic self-regulatory stance.. quote : "stop looking above, look here inside, inside every one of you". Makes one wonder what he meant by that....

That sounds like the "New Age Teaching"....hhhhmmm...???

Then there's more (admittedly small!) clues:

- before the show, UNCENSORED (!) versions of Erotic City and Rebirth of the Flesh (title alone could be a statement) were played.

He could have been using "Funk" instead of "Fu$k"? hee hee

NONSENSE said:

Tennessee Williams once said "Kill my demons and my angels might die too." My interpretation is if you get rid of all your bad traits some of the good will die too. It's important to find balance in all things. I think that's what God wants for us. Balance, moderation is much more healthy than any extreme. peace

i apologize for this statement and lots of other posts. My intentions may have been good but I've shouldn't post things like this.

Someone said "The path to hell is paved with good intentions." I concur. A lot of times we do and say things thinking our motives are good. And things about a persons religious beliefs, business practices, lifestyle etc. should never said. Truly sorry.

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NONSENSE said:

NONSENSE said:

Tennessee Williams once said "Kill my demons and my angels might die too." My interpretation is if you get rid of all your bad traits some of the good will die too. It's important to find balance in all things. I think that's what God wants for us. Balance, moderation is much more healthy than any extreme. peace

i apologize for this statement. Truly sorry.

Why? It's a great quote and comment.

Cerebus said:

NONSENSE said:

i apologize for this statement. Truly sorry.

Why? It's a great quote and comment.

I didn't see anything wrong with it, either.

NONSENSE said:

NONSENSE said:

Tennessee Williams once said "Kill my demons and my angels might die too." My interpretation is if you get rid of all your bad traits some of the good will die too. It's important to find balance in all things. I think that's what God wants for us. Balance, moderation is much more healthy than any extreme. peace

i apologize for this statement and lots of other posts. My intentions may have been good but I've shouldn't post things like this.

Someone said "The path to hell is paved with good intentions." I concur. A lot of times we do and say things thinking our motives are good. And things about a persons religious beliefs, business practices, lifestyle etc. should never said. Truly sorry.

I'm not sure what was said to you to make you feel this way. But again, I found your first comment to be intelligent, thought provoking and completely inoffensive.

because we shouldn't judge others. Sometimes when we judge people it can really hurt. Even if we mean well. Prince gets criticized for his music, business decisions, religious beliefs, etc. We should just appreciate him. I don't want to say anything that might appear to question his faith or devotion. I was wrong. plain and simple.

NONSENSE said:

because we shouldn't judge others.

having an opinion doesnt mean ur judging. i think its fair to say we all have duality - our angles and our demons - our darkness and our light - its not judgemental to say the same for prince - is just a fact.

its true the universe is balanced at all times, but i dont think its wise to justify our demons by saying we'd lose our angels too.

maybe its a matter of knowing the right time and place to act upon our demons and angel nature. they say timing is everything, along with discernment.

if we sit around worrying about the right thing to do we end up not responding naturally. main thing is to keep learning.

everyone here has been 'judged' harshly by someone sometime in their lives, i dont see why prince should be afforded an exemption while the rest of us suffer lol

but i do agree that showing appreciation is the healthier way to go.

skywalker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

after 2000 his clothing style changed, that's when he was fully into the JW mindset

He started wearing suits? He has worn suits at various points in his career....does than necessarily mean "conservative" to you? To me, his fashion choices ebb and flow. I mean, here is Prince as of late & it seems like he is dressed like Prince circa 1988:

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I'm sorry, having been a jehovah witness in my youth,

I can honestly say, that

Prince would be banned from his kingdom hall for wearing that...

That said...

I do notice that his interest in it is waning...

Lets face it, he's prince

No religion or creed will ever change that...

And if he's gotta bring the leather and lace era back again...

I'm all for it...

PRINCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RELIGIOUS...

He never needed JW's, however they did need him...

He's given them the best PR since Joseph Rutherford

LizaWoman08 said:

jtfolden said:

Cream is *presented* as a sex song but it is not. He wrote the song to himself, staring in a mirror.

The phrase "blow your own horn" is an age old, common way of saying 'don't be afraid to use/promote your talents'...

The whole song is Prince psyching himself up as the most talented, sexiest, hit-maker, rule-breaker in the business.

i never got that from that song...especially since it was written by Prince

It sounds like;

a)You've never actually listened to the lyrics, and

b) think of him as unable to talk about anything but sex.

jtfolden said:

LizaWoman08 said:

i never got that from that song...especially since it was written by Prince

It sounds like;

a)You've never actually listened to the lyrics, and

b) think of him as unable to talk about anything but sex.

Welp...

It's safe to say that at least 50% of his catalogue is sexually explicit...

EmbattledWarrior said:

jtfolden said:

It sounds like;

a)You've never actually listened to the lyrics, and

b) think of him as unable to talk about anything but sex.

Welp...

It's safe to say that at least 50% of his catalogue is sexually explicit...

Agreed. Let's just say, for argument sake, that "Cream" is 100% non sexual and all about self confidence.

"Cream" the video is about humping, fucking, and eating dessert. So, why the mixed messages Prince?

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skywalker said:

Agreed. Let's just say, for argument sake, that "Cream" is 100% non sexual and all about self confidence.

"Cream" the video is about humping, fucking, and eating dessert. So, why the mixed messages Prince?

clearly he wanted to fuck his own reflection.

you can see him do this on the bonus DVD which comes with his new book "my sex life as a jehovah's witness"

it was aired once at a local meeting but the elders decided not to show it again because it gave them instant, unholy erections.

cream, sha boogie, bop.

skywalker said:

Agreed. Let's just say, for argument sake, that "Cream" is 100% non sexual and all about self confidence.

"Cream" the video is about humping, fucking, and eating dessert. So, why the mixed messages Prince?

[Edited 11/11/10 18:42pm]

Actually, it's not a mixed message in the literal sense. "Cream" and D&P (the album) were entirely concerned with hitting the top of the charts again... sexy videos sell singles and CD's.

jtfolden said:

skywalker said:

Agreed. Let's just say, for argument sake, that "Cream" is 100% non sexual and all about self confidence.

"Cream" the video is about humping, fucking, and eating dessert. So, why the mixed messages Prince?

[Edited 11/11/10 18:42pm]

Actually, it's not a mixed message in the literal sense. "Cream" and D&P (the album) were entirely concerned with hitting the top of the charts again... sexy videos sell singles and CD's.

Always thought it was about Cum...

its about making a hit...

right...

What's Gett Off about?

skywalker said:

Agreed. Let's just say, for argument sake, that "Cream" is 100% non sexual and all about self confidence.

"Cream" the video is about humping, fucking, and eating dessert. So, why the mixed messages Prince?

Yeah,the video gives the impression that he's singing about sex.

SoulAlive said:

skywalker said:

Agreed. Let's just say, for argument sake, that "Cream" is 100% non sexual and all about self confidence.

"Cream" the video is about humping, fucking, and eating dessert. So, why the mixed messages Prince?

Yeah,the video gives the impression that he's singing about sex.

cream is totally about sex

XxAxX said:

SoulAlive said:

Yeah,the video gives the impression that he's singing about sex.

cream is totally about sex

lol...it's hilarious how we all interpret this song in different ways

If we changed the title to "Strive",would you still say it's a sexual song? The only sexual thing about the song is its title.The verses don't mention sex at all.

Prince has never ever sung about sex in his whole life, do you not remember in the interview with Scary Spice he said he didn't sing about sex he was singing about spiritual union.

So there!

So the girl in the 'Orgasm' track is obviously enjoying a good spiritual moment

SoulAlive said:

XxAxX said:

cream is totally about sex

lol...it's hilarious how we all interpret this song in different ways

If we changed the title to "Strive",would you still say it's a sexual song? The only sexual thing about the song is its title.The verses don't mention sex at all.

See I thought all those where words of encouragement to his erm.. HEAD mistress...

EmbattledWarrior said:

SoulAlive said:

lol...it's hilarious how we all interpret this song in different ways

If we changed the title to "Strive",would you still say it's a sexual song? The only sexual thing about the song is its title.The verses don't mention sex at all.

See I thought all those where words of encouragement to his erm.. HEAD mistress...

I was just thinking that,when he titled this song "Cream",he was probably thinking of the old saying...

the cream always rises to the top

but leave it to Prince to turn something innocent into a double entrende,lol

SoulAlive said:

XxAxX said:

cream is totally about sex

lol...it's hilarious how we all interpret this song in different ways

If we changed the title to "Strive",would you still say it's a sexual song? The only sexual thing about the song is its title.The verses don't mention sex at all.

Read between the lines. It's and implied/inferenced sort of thing. Think about the beginning of the song. Prince is moaning sexually or is it a purr of self confidence? The fact is, the song isn't called "strive" it's called "cream". Again, the term has at least two meanings.

skywalker said:

SoulAlive said:

lol...it's hilarious how we all interpret this song in different ways

If we changed the title to "Strive",would you still say it's a sexual song? The only sexual thing about the song is its title.The verses don't mention sex at all.

Read between the lines. It's and implied/inferenced sort of thing. Think about the beginning of the song. Prince is moaning sexually or is it a purr of self confidence? The fact is, the song isn't called "strive" it's called "cream". Again, the term has at least two meanings.

I see what you're saying but I still don't think this song is about sex.I could be wrong,though I guess only Prince would know,lol

SoulAlive said:

skywalker said:

Read between the lines. It's and implied/inferenced sort of thing. Think about the beginning of the song. Prince is moaning sexually or is it a purr of self confidence? The fact is, the song isn't called "strive" it's called "cream". Again, the term has at least two meanings.

I see what you're saying but I still don't think this song is about sex.I could be wrong,though I guess only Prince would know,lol

Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's a song about sex. I think that it is primarily a song about self confidence and Prince knowing he's the best. However, draped over that, is the usualy purple dose of sex, flirtation, and play on words.