Guess we'll have to wait and see

I never thought that "Cream" is a dirty song He just gave it a suggestive title to raise eyebrows,but the song is about staying positive and following your dreams.It's about being successful in life.He could have titled it "Strive" but that doesn't sound nearly as interesting,lol.

robinhood said:

if he has cast his jehovah's witness beliefs aside, in favor of sexualizing his concerts, then so be it.

its good to see him expressing himself more naturally, even if he is dipping into the past to do so.

i'm not sure how a man who lives by his own rules could have ever followed anyone else's for very long, especially God's.

he stopped cussing but he still sings some very sexual songs. Like 'Insatiable'

like i said way back up there (post 10 or 11) he is still "sexy but not dirty"

Part of the fun about "Cream" is that it is clearly a double entendre.

skywalker said:

Part of the fun about "Cream" is that it is clearly a double entendre.

And POP LIFE!

nursev said:

Guess we'll have to wait and see

i ,ve a friend named GODOT,

i may only do nothing

but waiting for GODOT yah,

my hase is my child from another live,

do you know his father,

and what have to do a mother for

want do the best ,how to make all happy again in the purpla rain

do you know the answer

yes i do - the Zauberword (cp) but will he go ,i don,t know

nursev said:

Guess we'll have to wait and see

LORILA said:

nursev said:

Guess we'll have to wait and see

i ,ve a friend named GODOT,

i may only do nothing

but waiting for GODOT yah,

my hase is my child from another live,

do you know his father,

and what have to do a mother for

want do the best ,how to make all happy again in the purpla rain

do you know the answer

yes i do - the Zauberword (cp) but will he go ,i don,t know

LOG OFF

hhhhdmt said:

nuthinbuttamuffin said:

Interesting. I know it can be interpreted in many ways... but let's face it... it's about a blowjob.

i dont buy it. 2008 prince would never play cream if it was about oral sex. My guess is that after the relatively unsuccessful grafitti bridge, prince wanted to get back on top of the charts- and thats what cream did for him.

exactly, it's a double entendre because he is Prince afterall, but I agree it's not about sex at all.

eelco said:

Hi all,

Yesterday I was in Antwerp witnessing a ROCKING show (meaning he played an awfull lot of guitar). That's not the reason for this thread actually.... During this show I somehow got the impression that his Jehova Witnesses days might be over. I am not saying they ARE, it's just an impression I got.

Why?

One of the songs performed was ''The Love We Make''; stunning and rough but that's not the point. At some point he actually said that we shouldn't be looking for answers above, pointing to heaven but instead looking at ourselves, inside each and every one of us, reverting to his old dogmatic self-regulatory stance.. quote : "stop looking above, look here inside, inside every one of you". Makes one wonder what he meant by that....

Then there's more (admittedly small!) clues:

- before the show, UNCENSORED (!) versions of Erotic City and Rebirth of the Flesh (title alone could be a statement) were played.

- Cream is back in the setlist.

- Ida Nielsen's and Cassandra's clothing was , let's just say, not what one would wear to a Jehova's witness gathering as opposed to the clothing worn during Musicology and later on...

-dancing during Kiss is not just slightly suggestive anymore....

Oh well, it couldt just be wishfull thinking and hoping to see things but anyway, might be interesting to hear what some of you make of this? After all, jehova's witnesses are quite strict in their teachings and somehow this all just doesn't seem to fit.....

Eelco

In" I feel for you" fysical was replaced by spiritual and lay by stay so...

Well, I can't say..yes or no, he is done with the JWs! However, it doesn't really matter...as long as Prince is happy, then its all good. Whatever it is, he is smiling and looks happy and that's what is most important to me. But I must admit, I'm loving the way Prince is these days!!

I personally think, that he is exploring what's right and wrong. I know for me, when I got "saved" I completely shed the old me and took on a new persona. However, a part of the old me has come back. I struggled with the idea of can I go dancing? Is that a sin? Can I go to the casino? Can I say how sexy Prince is or not? Stuff like that... its all about growing in your faith and finding that happy medium.

Prince may just have found it. I personally believe he can be fun and sexy AND still love GOD. He can still wear makeup, rock those heels like only he can, and sing sexy songs...that doesn't make him a horrible person, nor will it automatically mean he no longer believes in GOD and the Bible.

SoulAlive said:

I never thought that "Cream" is a dirty song He just gave it a suggestive title to raise eyebrows,but the song is about staying positive and following your dreams.It's about being successful in life.He could have titled it "Strive" but that doesn't sound nearly as interesting,lol.

skywalker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

after 2000 his clothing style changed, that's when he was fully into the JW mindset

He started wearing suits? He has worn suits at various points in his career....does than necessarily mean "conservative" to you? To me, his fashion choices ebb and flow. I mean, here is Prince as of late & it seems like he is dressed like Prince circa 1988:

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I read somewhere that he converted in 2001...and there is definately a change in him after that. This outfit isn't really like the outfits before, he is very covered up here. And while its sexy, its not suggestive like the outfits before. I think this outfit is nice, one of the coolest I've seen him in as of late, and I think its representative of him still being a rock star!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

robinhood said:

if he has cast his jehovah's witness beliefs aside, in favor of sexualizing his concerts, then so be it.

its good to see him expressing himself more naturally, even if he is dipping into the past to do so.

i'm not sure how a man who lives by his own rules could have ever followed anyone else's for very long, especially God's.

he stopped cussing but he still sings some very sexual songs. Like 'Insatiable'

like i said way back up there (post 10 or 11) he is still "sexy but not dirty"

i remember when he once referred to king solomon to justify his unmarried sex life.

maybe he's found similar bible passages that help him justify simulating oral sex on stage.

i'd love it if prince wrote a book called "my sex life as a jehovah's witness".

he could donate the proceeds to his congregation along with a free copy.

chapter one: 'head; finding the right groupie'.

they'd be thrilled i'm sure.

I doubt it.

But the fact that Erotic City has been heard UNEDITED at preconcerts lately makes you wonder if maybe he is a little more relaxed. Didn't he make WB edit The Ultimate Prince and take off Erotic City that collection a couple years ago? This fact also gives hope for decent remasters WITHOUT EDITS!

MIRvmn said:

Elixer

prince allows others that he works with to have more dirty lyrics then he does himself. that doesnt mean he's changing

and yes i'd like erotic city extended version to be released on one of his new masters

I'll chime in with two thoughts here...

One, they're saying FUNK in Erotic City. I don't care what anybody says about it. They're saying FUNK, not FUCK. "Makin' love 'til cherrys gone" is still pretty clearly dirty, though.

Two, Prince has AAAALLLLLWAAAAAYS been EXTREMELY spiritual. I don't ever expect that to change. But dude has also always suffered from a short attention span AND let what is happening in his life creep into his music/performance world. It seems VERY doubtful that he would leave the JW faith. But even if he has I seriously doubt he would ever leave the Bible altogether. A little more freedom and openness regarding his catalogue and what he's willing to do with it would be great. Prince dropping f bombs and humping the stage, not gonna happen.

skywalker said:

Part of the fun about "Cream" is that it is clearly a double entendre.

ABSOLUTELY!!!

His entire carreer is built on it.

People always shy away from Prince saying his music is all about sex. And I'm always like " oh is it?"

No use arguing with people who can't/won't even read lyrics.

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

that's a stretch. I thought Willing and Able was the reference to what he wanted to do musically, but Cream was too filled with sexual innuendos to be about that

"U got the horn so why don't u blow it, u are fine, u're filthy cute and baby u know it."

Horn= anything but the brass instrument...

just1lousydime said:

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

that's a stretch. I thought Willing and Able was the reference to what he wanted to do musically, but Cream was too filled with sexual innuendos to be about that

"U got the horn so why don't u blow it, u are fine, u're filthy cute and baby u know it."

Horn= anything but the brass instrument...

maybe but he also said he wrote it when standing infront of a mirror. Maybe is does have a double meaning

Cerebus said:

I'll chime in with two thoughts here...

One, they're saying FUNK in Erotic City. I don't care what anybody says about it. They're saying FUNK, not FUCK. "Makin' love 'til cherrys gone" is still pretty clearly dirty, though.

Two, Prince has AAAALLLLLWAAAAAYS been EXTREMELY spiritual. I don't ever expect that to change. But dude has also always suffered from a short attention span AND let what is happening in his life creep into his music/performance world. It seems VERY doubtful that he would leave the JW faith. But even if he has I seriously doubt he would ever leave the Bible altogether. A little more freedom and openness regarding his catalogue and what he's willing to do with it would be great. Prince dropping f bombs and humping the stage, not gonna happen.

Yeah, the songs called "Erotic City" but he's saying "funk." He is talking about busting hymens, but saying "funk"? Believe whatever you want. Why the word edited when played on the radio? They don't edit Batdance when they lyric is, "Get the funk up!"

skywalker said:

Cerebus said:

I'll chime in with two thoughts here...

One, they're saying FUNK in Erotic City. I don't care what anybody says about it. They're saying FUNK, not FUCK. "Makin' love 'til cherrys gone" is still pretty clearly dirty, though.

Two, Prince has AAAALLLLLWAAAAAYS been EXTREMELY spiritual. I don't ever expect that to change. But dude has also always suffered from a short attention span AND let what is happening in his life creep into his music/performance world. It seems VERY doubtful that he would leave the JW faith. But even if he has I seriously doubt he would ever leave the Bible altogether. A little more freedom and openness regarding his catalogue and what he's willing to do with it would be great. Prince dropping f bombs and humping the stage, not gonna happen.

Yeah, the songs called "Erotic City" but he's saying "funk." He is talking about busting hymens, but saying "funk"? Believe whatever you want. Why the word edited when played on the radio? They don't edit Batdance when they lyric is, "Get the funk up!"

I've never heard the song edited on the radio. Not ONCE. That's always been my point - it couldn't be played on the radio that way. And does ANYBODY really believe that Prince is going to allow a song to be played before his show that says FUCK repeatedly? It's funk. It's always been funk and it always will be. I'm not sure what the title has to do with it, either. Especially in the context of the discussions going on in this thread, or the rest of the lyrics to the song. Most of the lyrics to that song are pretty tame, almost puerile. "That would want to be my wife." "If we cannot make babies." It's really NOT a nasty song. Only the "makin' love till cherrys gone" line conjures up the dirty thoughts.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

skywalker said:

He started wearing suits? He has worn suits at various points in his career....does than necessarily mean "conservative" to you? To me, his fashion choices ebb and flow. I mean, here is Prince as of late & it seems like he is dressed like Prince circa 1988:

I read somewhere that he converted in 2001...and there is definately a change in him after that. This outfit isn't really like the outfits before, he is very covered up here. And while its sexy, its not suggestive like the outfits before. I think this outfit is nice, one of the coolest I've seen him in as of late, and I think its representative of him still being a rock star!

My point is that Prince didn't all of the sudden start dressing a hell of a lot more conservative.

He still dresses flamboyantly now and again...just like in the past. It's not like he wore panties and thigh highs for the entire 1980's. Sometimes he'd rock a suit and tie look back then as well. He still dresses a bit wild and glam. If I was to pinpoint a time that he stopped having bouts of dressing like a cartoon character I'd say it was around the time Emancipation came out.

skywalker said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

I read somewhere that he converted in 2001...and there is definately a change in him after that. This outfit isn't really like the outfits before, he is very covered up here. And while its sexy, its not suggestive like the outfits before. I think this outfit is nice, one of the coolest I've seen him in as of late, and I think its representative of him still being a rock star!

My point is that Prince didn't all of the sudden start dressing a hell of a lot more conservative.

He still dresses flamboyantly now and again...just like in the past. It's not like he wore panties and thigh highs for the entire 1980's. Sometimes he'd rock a suit and tie look back then as well. He still dresses a bit wild and glam. If I was to pinpoint a time that he stopped having bouts of dressing like a cartoon character I'd say it was around the time Emancipation came out.

Agreed. He was quite stylish for portions of the Parade tour and wore a tux in UTCM.

skywalker said:

It's not like he wore panties and thigh highs for the entire 1980's.

i did

just1lousydime said:

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

that's a stretch. I thought Willing and Able was the reference to what he wanted to do musically, but Cream was too filled with sexual innuendos to be about that

"U got the horn so why don't u blow it, u are fine, u're filthy cute and baby u know it."

Horn= anything but the brass instrument...

Cream is *presented* as a sex song but it is not. He wrote the song to himself, staring in a mirror.

The phrase "blow your own horn" is an age old, common way of saying 'don't be afraid to use/promote your talents'...

The whole song is Prince psyching himself up as the most talented, sexiest, hit-maker, rule-breaker in the business.

Tennessee Williams once said "Kill my demons and my angels might die too." My interpretation is if you get rid of all your bad traits some of the good will die too. It's important to find balance in all things. I think that's what God wants for us. Balance, moderation is much more healthy than any extreme. peace

just1lousydime said:

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or at least thats how i interpret it.

that's a stretch. I thought Willing and Able was the reference to what he wanted to do musically, but Cream was too filled with sexual innuendos to be about that

"U got the horn so why don't u blow it, u are fine, u're filthy cute and baby u know it."

Horn= anything but the brass instrument...

The only suggestive thing about "Cream" is its title The rest of the song seems to be about working hard to achieve your goals.He's basically saying "this is your time,get out there and show the world what you can do".I think he just titled it "Cream" in order to fool people,lol.

From what I understand, Prince had a bad few years in his head following the death of his child. It made him question God as he coudln't understand why God would allow the death to happen. Prince told Larry this in 1999 and it was this which was the basis of Larry converting him to the JW faith.