Hi all,

Yesterday I was in Antwerp witnessing a ROCKING show (meaning he played an awfull lot of guitar). That's not the reason for this thread actually.... During this show I somehow got the impression that his Jehova Witnesses days might be over. I am not saying they ARE, it's just an impression I got.

Why?

One of the songs performed was ''The Love We Make''; stunning and rough but that's not the point. At some point he actually said that we shouldn't be looking for answers above, pointing to heaven but instead looking at ourselves, inside each and every one of us, reverting to his old dogmatic self-regulatory stance.. quote : "stop looking above, look here inside, inside every one of you". Makes one wonder what he meant by that....

Then there's more (admittedly small!) clues:

- before the show, UNCENSORED (!) versions of Erotic City and Rebirth of the Flesh (title alone could be a statement) were played.

- Cream is back in the setlist.

- Ida Nielsen's and Cassandra's clothing was , let's just say, not what one would wear to a Jehova's witness gathering as opposed to the clothing worn during Musicology and later on...

-dancing during Kiss is not just slightly suggestive anymore....

Oh well, it couldt just be wishfull thinking and hoping to see things but anyway, might be interesting to hear what some of you make of this? After all, jehova's witnesses are quite strict in their teachings and somehow this all just doesn't seem to fit.....

Eelco

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

Ow, didn't know that since I'm only dutch so just cross that one off the list

(it was quite suggestive anyway )

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

Interesting. I know it can be interpreted in many ways... but let's face it... it's about a blowjob.

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

Lol--you may well have a point. Like Guinness (3 minutes--good things come to those who wait!). Although Prince often said not the body, the mind--SexyMF and Come come to mind (ahem).

Anywho, if he ever was JW in the first place, he was JW like nobody else, like it's not been understood before. JW's seem to forget (and I reckon they are originally JW's from the Isaiah quote--Ye Shall Be My Witnesses) that only 2 or 3 witnesses were required. Self-appointed witnesses? Blimey--if you were interviewing someone for a job and they told you that they decided to take the job before you offered it to them, what would you think?

I gather this through his lyrics, not through rumours or what he may or may not have said in interview. And yes, I include TRC in this.

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nuthinbuttamuffin said:

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

Interesting. I know it can be interpreted in many ways... but let's face it... it's about a blowjob.

Lol. It may be BOTH! Is your glass half-empty or half-full? Both!

ugh i can't imagine not celebrating birthdays or halloween...

if he dances suggestively at all in ny or nj shows it's gonna be like a died and went to heaven!

eelco said:

Hi all,

Yesterday I was in Antwerp witnessing a ROCKING show (meaning he played an awfull lot of guitar). That's not the reason for this thread actually.... During this show I somehow got the impression that his Jehova Witnesses days might be over. I am not saying they ARE, it's just an impression I got.

Why?

One of the songs performed was ''The Love We Make''; stunning and rough but that's not the point. At some point he actually said that we shouldn't be looking for answers above, pointing to heaven but instead looking at ourselves, inside each and every one of us, reverting to his old dogmatic self-regulatory stance.. quote : "stop looking above, look here inside, inside every one of you". Makes one wonder what he meant by that....

Then there's more (admittedly small!) clues:

- before the show, UNCENSORED (!) versions of Erotic City and Rebirth of the Flesh (title alone could be a statement) were played.

- Cream is back in the setlist.

- Ida Nielsen's and Cassandra's clothing was , let's just say, not what one would wear to a Jehova's witness gathering as opposed to the clothing worn during Musicology and later on...

-dancing during Kiss is not just slightly suggestive anymore....

Oh well, it couldt just be wishfull thinking and hoping to see things but anyway, might be interesting to hear what some of you make of this? After all, jehova's witnesses are quite strict in their teachings and somehow this all just doesn't seem to fit.....

Eelco

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Prince being a Jehovah's Witness didn't "change" him nearly as much as some people would have you believe.

His lyrics are still sexual (some of the most being on The Rainbow Children album). He still rocked the makeup, and the heels. He still performed songs about doing it. Hell, in 1999/2000 he was a Jehovah's witness and he was still peforming "Darling Nikki" full blown stage humping and all.

Bottom line: I never believed the hype. Prince has been preaching in concert since at least 1981 (Second Coming anyone?) in 1998-ish Prince stopped cussing and changed the lyrics to some songs. He never stopped being sexual, he never stopped being Prince.

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[Edited 11/9/10 8:26am]

nuthinbuttamuffin said:

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

Interesting. I know it can be interpreted in many ways... but let's face it... it's about a blowjob.

i dont buy it. 2008 prince would never play cream if it was about oral sex. My guess is that after the relatively unsuccessful grafitti bridge, prince wanted to get back on top of the charts- and thats what cream did for him.

He's still saying the Bible is a history book , so I don't think there's much change going on

NouveauDance said:

He's still saying the Bible is a history book , so I don't think there's much change going on

exactly, i doubt he will change. It doesnt matter that much though. He doesnt have to sing about head to be a great singer. Of course i'd like him to do songs like gett off again but that unlikely.

it is all about the words.

it is like billy said "sexy but not dirty"

so unless he starts doing head or sister or sexy mf...

I have to say that was a striking moment for me too. Inspirational! But after all, all he's saying is: "every bad thing on earth, is our fault, and it's not up to God to make it right. It's up to us." I can see a religious man saying that.

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

hmmmm just maybe

This is it
It's time 4 U 2 go 2 the wire
U will hit
Cuz U got the burnin' desire
It's your time (Time)
U got the horn so why don't U blow it
U are fine (Fine)
U're filthy cute and, baby, U know it CHORUS:
Cream - Get on top
Cream - U will cop
Cream - Don't U stop
Cream - Sh-boogie bop

U're so good
Baby, there ain't nobody better (Ain't nobody better)
So U should
Never ever go by the letter (Never ever)
U're so cool (Cool)
Everything U do is success (Ooh)
Make the rules (Rules)
Then break 'em all cuz U are the best
Yes U are

CHORUS

Look up in the air, it's your guitar

Do your dance
Why should U wait any longer?
Take your chance
It could only make U stronger
It's your time (It's your time)
U got the horn so why don't U blow it (Go on and blow it)
U're so fine (U're so fine)
U're filthy cute and, baby, U know it, U know it

eelco said:

Jehova witness thing over???

yeah, we wish!

purplemookiebut said:

ugh i can't imagine not celebrating birthdays or halloween...

if he dances suggestively at all in ny or nj shows it's gonna be like a died and went to heaven!

I can do with without Halloween

Not Christmas

skywalker said:

eelco said:

Hi all,

Yesterday I was in Antwerp witnessing a ROCKING show (meaning he played an awfull lot of guitar). That's not the reason for this thread actually.... During this show I somehow got the impression that his Jehova Witnesses days might be over. I am not saying they ARE, it's just an impression I got.

Why?

One of the songs performed was ''The Love We Make''; stunning and rough but that's not the point. At some point he actually said that we shouldn't be looking for answers above, pointing to heaven but instead looking at ourselves, inside each and every one of us, reverting to his old dogmatic self-regulatory stance.. quote : "stop looking above, look here inside, inside every one of you". Makes one wonder what he meant by that....

Then there's more (admittedly small!) clues:

- before the show, UNCENSORED (!) versions of Erotic City and Rebirth of the Flesh (title alone could be a statement) were played.

- Cream is back in the setlist.

- Ida Nielsen's and Cassandra's clothing was , let's just say, not what one would wear to a Jehova's witness gathering as opposed to the clothing worn during Musicology and later on...

-dancing during Kiss is not just slightly suggestive anymore....

Oh well, it couldt just be wishfull thinking and hoping to see things but anyway, might be interesting to hear what some of you make of this? After all, jehova's witnesses are quite strict in their teachings and somehow this all just doesn't seem to fit.....

Eelco

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Prince being a Jehovah's Witness didn't "change" him nearly as much as some people would have you believe.

His lyrics are still sexual (some of the most being on The Rainbow Children album). He still rocked the makeup, and the heels. He still performed songs about doing it. Hell, in 1999/2000 he was a Jehovah's witness and he was still peforming "Darling Nikki" full blown stage humping and all.

Bottom line: I never believed the hype. Prince has been preaching in concert since at least 1981 (Second Coming anyone?) in 1998-ish Prince stopped cussing and changed the lyrics to some songs. He never stopped being sexual, he never stopped being Prince.

[Edited 11/9/10 8:25am]

[Edited 11/9/10 8:26am]

during 1999/2000 Prince wasn't fully into the JW mindset, that was the last of it in my opinion

Only Prince knows.

I wonder what would happen if Prince was to be disfellowshipped. A rocker of a new album maybe?

dannyd5050 said:

I wonder what would happen if Prince was to be disfellowshipped. A rocker of a new album maybe?

I might agree with u

GEEZ I hope so! He's free and doesn't need that! B free big p, B free again from all of that,please!

OldFriends4Sale said:

skywalker said:

I've said it once, I'll say it again. Prince being a Jehovah's Witness didn't "change" him nearly as much as some people would have you believe.

His lyrics are still sexual (some of the most being on The Rainbow Children album). He still rocked the makeup, and the heels. He still performed songs about doing it. Hell, in 1999/2000 he was a Jehovah's witness and he was still peforming "Darling Nikki" full blown stage humping and all.

Bottom line: I never believed the hype. Prince has been preaching in concert since at least 1981 (Second Coming anyone?) in 1998-ish Prince stopped cussing and changed the lyrics to some songs. He never stopped being sexual, he never stopped being Prince.

[Edited 11/9/10 8:25am]

[Edited 11/9/10 8:26am]

during 1999/2000 Prince wasn't fully into the JW mindset, that was the last of it in my opinion

Really? This is after he stopped swearing and changed "The Cross" to "The Christ" etc. When, in your opinion, was Prince "fully into the JW mindset"?

skywalker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

during 1999/2000 Prince wasn't fully into the JW mindset, that was the last of it in my opinion

Really? This is after he stopped swearing and changed "The Cross" to "The Christ" etc. When, in your opinion, was Prince "fully into the JW mindset"?

after 2000 his clothing style changed, that's when he was fully into the JW mindset

OldFriends4Sale said:

skywalker said:

Really? This is after he stopped swearing and changed "The Cross" to "The Christ" etc. When, in your opinion, was Prince "fully into the JW mindset"?

after 2000 his clothing style changed, that's when he was fully into the JW mindset

He started wearing suits? He has worn suits at various points in his career....does than necessarily mean "conservative" to you? To me, his fashion choices ebb and flow. I mean, here is Prince as of late & it seems like he is dressed like Prince circa 1988:

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those boots are adorable!!

if he has cast his jehovah's witness beliefs aside, in favor of sexualizing his concerts, then so be it.

its good to see him expressing himself more naturally, even if he is dipping into the past to do so.

i'm not sure how a man who lives by his own rules could have ever followed anyone else's for very long, especially God's.

robinhood said:

if he has cast his jehovah's witness beliefs aside, in favor of sexualizing his concerts, then so be it.

its good to see him expressing himself more naturally, even if he is dipping into the past to do so.

i'm not sure how a man who lives by his own rules could have ever followed anyone else's for very long, especially God's.

Point is, he wasn't following God's (because they're unknowable). He was following the rules of a religion.

Genesia said:

robinhood said:

if he has cast his jehovah's witness beliefs aside, in favor of sexualizing his concerts, then so be it.

its good to see him expressing himself more naturally, even if he is dipping into the past to do so.

i'm not sure how a man who lives by his own rules could have ever followed anyone else's for very long, especially God's.

Point is, he wasn't following God's (because they're unknowable). He was following the rules of a religion.

he may still be. according to his recent interview, if it is true, he's still promoting the Bible, and therefore the laws within it.

i guess i'm not sure which of those he follows, and which ones he casts aside in favor of his own views.

hhhhdmt said:

he played cream just two years ago. Cream is not a dirty song either, it means "rising to the top" or rising to the top of the charts. Or atleast thats how i interpret it.

WOW!! I got Cream all wrong then. I thought it was a nicer radio friendly way of saying Cum!! I guess i missed that one alltogether. I always thought this was one of his dirtiest songs ever!!