- Speaking of DVDs, it´s such a shame that Prince didnt release Montreux officially. Everything was already filmed...

eireboy34 said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

This is bullshit and you know it. Only the Geneva concert was not doing well at all in terms of sales. The tix were very expensive and the gigs organized quite late + it's crisis time in case you don't know it. So it is a massive success whether you like it or not.

People who did not like the shows at all are those who were not there like you.

The reviews have been fantastic and fans just enjoyed the shows big time. We were all shocked to see Prince moving this way by the way. It had been long time since I had seen him in such a physical shape.

And the parisian residency that will be announced soon will be a great success as well. And you will be pissed off AGAIN. And I like it when you're taking the piss.

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Sorry but Arras sales were bad...only 50/60 percent sold and a lot of those were half price if you remember.

I have no figures on Nice but it was far from sold out.

And Vienna had to be moved to a smaller venue due to lack of interest.

I glad a lot of people enjoyed the shows but, sorry again, this tour was far from being the massive success you talk about.

Your figures are not accurate. Don't act like if there was no audience at Prince gigs. It was more than enough. You guys crack me up. It's like it was all empty out there! LOL!

And yes it was a massive success. Magnificent crowd cheering with Prince, enjoying every minute, singing along, totally into it. Just happy people. Even journalists had to write great reviews which must have been a torture for some of them who don't dig Prince at all.

GustavoRibas said:

- Speaking of DVDs, it´s such a shame that Prince didnt release Montreux officially. Everything was already filmed...

Agreed

GustavoRibas said:

- Speaking of DVDs, it´s such a shame that Prince didnt release Montreux officially. Everything was already filmed...

Eagles prod will release it in a few months time.

Many friends (age 18-49) here in Austria saw Prince at the Stadthalle for the very first time. Everyone was blown away by the performance. The fact that it was far away from being a 'play your greatest hits note by note contest' made them sure that the tickets where worth every cent.

It seems to me that many here on the org live in the past regarding Prince. At least it's the only reason I can think of when looking at all the negative comments.

DocZorro said:

Many friends (age 18-49) here in Austria saw Prince at the Stadthalle for the very first time. Everyone was blown away by the performance. The fact that it was far away from being a 'play your greatest hits note by note contest' made them sure that the tickets where worth every cent.

It seems to me that many here on the org live in the past regarding Prince. At least it's the only reason I can think of when looking at all the negative comments.

absolutely right, i brought 8 "firsttimers" with me, no one of them regret it !

it was an amazing gig !

dunno why so many people try to pull the last tour down

maybe some are jealous ?

funkadelic11 said:

DocZorro said:

Many friends (age 18-49) here in Austria saw Prince at the Stadthalle for the very first time. Everyone was blown away by the performance. The fact that it was far away from being a 'play your greatest hits note by note contest' made them sure that the tickets where worth every cent.

It seems to me that many here on the org live in the past regarding Prince. At least it's the only reason I can think of when looking at all the negative comments.

absolutely right, i brought 8 "firsttimers" with me, no one of them regret it !

it was an amazing gig !

dunno why so many people try to pull the last tour down

maybe some are jealous ?

The simple fact Prince pulled out a few great shows in europe is just killing them. Jealousy and hate. What else can it be?

i realise the makers of these types of things dont think they're doing anything wrong, but if i put myself in prince's shoes i'd feel raped, like my spirit just got hijacked and i'm just a pound of flesh

and what i deeply care about doesnt matter at all to people who claim to 'love' my work

i'm all for free music, but not this, not this hijacking of his artwork and image and whatever fan vids were posted on youtube or whatever

i know people get a lot of enjoyment watching this kind of thing but my stomach churns and my head spins at the very sight of it

sorry guys, i just cant even begin to comprehend, i'm in no way judging anyone on this, just expressing how it honestly makes me feel.

ohYeeeeeah said:

eireboy34 said:

Sorry but Arras sales were bad...only 50/60 percent sold and a lot of those were half price if you remember.

I have no figures on Nice but it was far from sold out.

And Vienna had to be moved to a smaller venue due to lack of interest.

I glad a lot of people enjoyed the shows but, sorry again, this tour was far from being the massive success you talk about.

Your figures are not accurate. Don't act like if there was no audience at Prince gigs. It was more than enough. You guys crack me up. It's like it was all empty out there! LOL!

And yes it was a massive success. Magnificent crowd cheering with Prince, enjoying every minute, singing along, totally into it. Just happy people. Even journalists had to write great reviews which must have been a torture for some of them who don't dig Prince at all.

OK. Believe what you want.

ohYeeeeeah said:

The simple fact Prince pulled out a few great shows in europe is just killing them. Jealousy and hate. What else can it be?

a healthy dose of realism. he's not as popular as he used to be.

robinhood said:

i realise the makers of these types of things dont think they're doing anything wrong, but if i put myself in prince's shoes i'd feel raped, like my spirit just got hijacked and i'm just a pound of flesh

and what i deeply care about doesnt matter at all to people who claim to 'love' my work

i'm all for free music, but not this, not this hijacking of his artwork and image and whatever fan vids were posted on youtube or whatever

i know people get a lot of enjoyment watching this kind of thing but my stomach churns and my head spins at the very sight of it

sorry guys, i just cant even begin to comprehend, i'm in no way judging anyone on this, just expressing how it honestly makes me feel.

Back in the old days when Vinyl was king and the internet just some geek stuff at universities it was a fact that collecting bootlegs is something you do on top of bought releases. No one bought a bootleg instead of an official release.

Today especially the younger crowd thinks that music is free because you can download it. Most of the time it takes less than 24 hours before you can download a concert. It completely degrades the idea of a bootleg.

At least there are some releases which are made with the experience in mind, releases that celebrate the artist and the event. I, for my part, like the Werchter video because it's the result of many hours locating footage, syncing and so on.

DocZorro said:

robinhood said:

i realise the makers of these types of things dont think they're doing anything wrong, but if i put myself in prince's shoes i'd feel raped, like my spirit just got hijacked and i'm just a pound of flesh

and what i deeply care about doesnt matter at all to people who claim to 'love' my work

i'm all for free music, but not this, not this hijacking of his artwork and image and whatever fan vids were posted on youtube or whatever

i know people get a lot of enjoyment watching this kind of thing but my stomach churns and my head spins at the very sight of it

sorry guys, i just cant even begin to comprehend, i'm in no way judging anyone on this, just expressing how it honestly makes me feel.

Back in the old days when Vinyl was king and the internet just some geek stuff at universities it was a fact that collecting bootlegs is something you do on top of bought releases. No one bought a bootleg instead of an official release.

Today especially the younger crowd thinks that music is free because you can download it. Most of the time it takes less than 24 hours before you can download a concert. It completely degrades the idea of a bootleg.

At least there are some releases which are made with the experience in mind, releases that celebrate the artist and the event. I, for my part, like the Werchter video because it's the result of many hours locating footage, syncing and so on.

ok, but prince's concert is the result of 30 years of experience, reduced to fan-vids from youtube.

whatever effort it takes to make a video like this is nothing compared with the amount of effort prince puts in, not just for this concert, but for his whole entire career.

and why the need to rip his artwork to make it appear official?

you might think a quick concert download degrades the idea of a bootleg, but some might say a bootleg degrades the artist.

but no one seems to care about that.

robinhood said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

The simple fact Prince pulled out a few great shows in europe is just killing them. Jealousy and hate. What else can it be?

a healthy dose of realism. he's not as popular as he used to be.

hahahaha!!! He is a lot more popular right now than he was 15 years ago, I'm telling you. The media have realized since MJ's death he is one of the very last legends out there. And he knows it.

So we should say there was no audience at the shows and that it was crap just for to content a few dumb haters who were not there in the first place. You guys are so funny.

eireboy34 said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

Your figures are not accurate. Don't act like if there was no audience at Prince gigs. It was more than enough. You guys crack me up. It's like it was all empty out there! LOL!

And yes it was a massive success. Magnificent crowd cheering with Prince, enjoying every minute, singing along, totally into it. Just happy people. Even journalists had to write great reviews which must have been a torture for some of them who don't dig Prince at all.

OK. Believe what you want.

Major difference between you and me to judge the situation:

I have attended Arras, Nice and le New Morning and NOT YOU.

Get over it mate.

ohYeeeeeah said:

robinhood said:

a healthy dose of realism. he's not as popular as he used to be.

hahahaha!!! He is a lot more popular right now than he was 15 years ago, I'm telling you. The media have realized since MJ's death he is one of the very last legends out there. And he knows it.

So we should say there was no audience at the shows and that it was crap just for to content a few dumb haters who were not there in the first place. You guys are so funny.

no one said there was no audience, they said some of the shows werent sell-outs.

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

he didnt on this tour.

ur mistaking reality for hate, a favorite pastime of some of prince's 'yes-people'.

robinhood said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

hahahaha!!! He is a lot more popular right now than he was 15 years ago, I'm telling you. The media have realized since MJ's death he is one of the very last legends out there. And he knows it.

So we should say there was no audience at the shows and that it was crap just for to content a few dumb haters who were not there in the first place. You guys are so funny.

no one said there was no audience, they said some of the shows werent sell-outs.

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

he didnt on this tour.

ur mistaking reality for hate, a favorite pastime of some of prince's 'yes-people'.

The MAJOR difference is Prince has been playing in very small venues the last 15 years in Europe (I.e Brixton Academy, Apollo Theater). Now that he is a lot more popular, he can charge a lot more and play in bigger venues even if it's not sold out.

Just for your information, festivals and gigs promoters at the moment are having a nightmare to fill arenas and stadiums. Ver few acts are still solding out their shows in massive venues.

And what about the 21 sold out shows at the O2 only 3 years ago? Yeah right....

ohYeeeeeah said:

robinhood said:

no one said there was no audience, they said some of the shows werent sell-outs.

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

he didnt on this tour.

ur mistaking reality for hate, a favorite pastime of some of prince's 'yes-people'.

The MAJOR difference is Prince has been playing in very small venues the last 15 years in Europe (I.e Brixton Academy, Apollo Theater). Now that he is a lot more popular, he can charge a lot more and play in bigger venues even if it's not sold out.

Just for your information, festivals and gigs promoters at the moment are having a nightmare to fill arenas and stadiums. Ver few acts are still solding out their shows in massive venues.

And what about the 21 sold out shows at the O2 only 3 years ago? Yeah right....

i think it is absolutely fantastic that so many people, including yourself, had such a great time at prince's shows.

in no way can my or anyone else's comments diminish the joy you feel.

discussing the attendance levels of this tour are in no way an attack on Prince or the good time had by all.

he may be regarded highly by industry and media peers, but it might in all reality be fair to say his over-all popularity is not like it used to be

and i think that is a healthy, and realistic perspective

if people want to see prince in concert, they will go, and they will fill those stadiums.

if there are empty seats, there are empty seats.

ohYeeeeeah said:

robinhood said:

no one said there was no audience, they said some of the shows werent sell-outs.

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

he didnt on this tour.

ur mistaking reality for hate, a favorite pastime of some of prince's 'yes-people'.

The MAJOR difference is Prince has been playing in very small venues the last 15 years in Europe (I.e Brixton Academy, Apollo Theater). Now that he is a lot more popular, he can charge a lot more and play in bigger venues even if it's not sold out.

Just for your information, festivals and gigs promoters at the moment are having a nightmare to fill arenas and stadiums. Ver few acts are still solding out their shows in massive venues.

And what about the 21 sold out shows at the O2 only 3 years ago? Yeah right....

More popular now??!!

OK, now I know you're on something!!!!

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[Edited 8/2/10 10:09am]

robinhood said:

DocZorro said:

Back in the old days when Vinyl was king and the internet just some geek stuff at universities it was a fact that collecting bootlegs is something you do on top of bought releases. No one bought a bootleg instead of an official release.

Today especially the younger crowd thinks that music is free because you can download it. Most of the time it takes less than 24 hours before you can download a concert. It completely degrades the idea of a bootleg.

At least there are some releases which are made with the experience in mind, releases that celebrate the artist and the event. I, for my part, like the Werchter video because it's the result of many hours locating footage, syncing and so on.

ok, but prince's concert is the result of 30 years of experience, reduced to fan-vids from youtube.

whatever effort it takes to make a video like this is nothing compared with the amount of effort prince puts in, not just for this concert, but for his whole entire career.

and why the need to rip his artwork to make it appear official?

you might think a quick concert download degrades the idea of a bootleg, but some might say a bootleg degrades the artist.

but no one seems to care about that.

The only reason why an artist and/or record companies try to prohibit bootlegs is: money. I know some people in the media business and none could ever explain how they measure the loss of profit. In fact there's maybe a handful of boots which would have been profitable sales wise.

There are quite a few bands who allow bootlegs, eg REM (there's even a torrent tracker). Or Kiss: they asked for yt clips to be put on the official page while touring Europe.

A bootleg can never degrade an artist. When he doesn't want that his performance will be heard he should stay at home instead. A bootleg was kind of an indicator (pre internet): how many fans are out there willing to do something more or less legal to relive a concert? (I'm talking concerts here. Outtakes are a different animal).

So, imho every artist should be proud when the first bootlegs surface.

robinhood said:

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

I remember several Nude-concerts that weren't sold out.

btw: wasn't this topic about a dvd-bootleg?

robinhood said:

i realise the makers of these types of things dont think they're doing anything wrong, but if i put myself in prince's shoes i'd feel raped, like my spirit just got hijacked and i'm just a pound of flesh

and what i deeply care about doesnt matter at all to people who claim to 'love' my work

i'm all for free music, but not this, not this hijacking of his artwork and image and whatever fan vids were posted on youtube or whatever

i know people get a lot of enjoyment watching this kind of thing but my stomach churns and my head spins at the very sight of it

sorry guys, i just cant even begin to comprehend, i'm in no way judging anyone on this, just expressing how it honestly makes me feel.

The irony comes from your chosen username. Gives me a wry smile.

Gohi said:

Ooh he got some hot busty french chicks dancing on stage for A love Bizarre. Niiiiiice. (sweet !) Yonnet get outta the way! ()

But ... i don't see Love Bizarre mentioned in the dvd-setlists lol ... was it mixed in a medley ? And how are the versions of "Sexy Dancer"/"Controversy"/"1999" ?

Are the synths adding that freaky groove to the mix ? Also interesting how "Shake Your Body" sounds.

jfrost said:

Just learnt that there is an Arras one about to be released from the same team.

Title is "Prince Of The Citadelle"

I just noticed the photographer in the left-corner of the heart-shape ... bizarre-angle

vc40 said:

robinhood said:

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

I remember several Nude-concerts that weren't sold out.

btw: wasn't this topic about a dvd-bootleg?

OK, all I'll say about boots is that if Prince were able to give us legit quality products we would have to go less for boots...he's his own worst enemy!

ohYeeeeeah said:

GustavoRibas said:

- Speaking of DVDs, it´s such a shame that Prince didnt release Montreux officially. Everything was already filmed...

Eagles prod will release it in a few months time.

Do you have a source for that? It would be great news.

Trashcat said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

Eagles prod will release it in a few months time.

Do you have a source for that? It would be great news.

I would check here any now and then : Eagle Rock Entertainment @ Facebook

vc40 said:

robinhood said:

prince used to have sell-outs, all the time.

I remember several Nude-concerts that weren't sold out.

btw: wasn't this topic about a dvd-bootleg?

The Lovesexy Tour in the US tix sales wise was very bad as well.

Trashcat said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

Eagles prod will release it in a few months time.

Do you have a source for that? It would be great news.

Yes I do. And I'm not joking. The release of the Prince Montreux DVD will have nothing to do with Prince camp by the way.

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eireboy34 said:

ohYeeeeeah said:

The MAJOR difference is Prince has been playing in very small venues the last 15 years in Europe (I.e Brixton Academy, Apollo Theater). Now that he is a lot more popular, he can charge a lot more and play in bigger venues even if it's not sold out.

Just for your information, festivals and gigs promoters at the moment are having a nightmare to fill arenas and stadiums. Ver few acts are still solding out their shows in massive venues.

And what about the 21 sold out shows at the O2 only 3 years ago? Yeah right....

More popular now??!!

OK, now I know you're on something!!!!

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[Edited 8/2/10 10:09am]

Yes he is. 15 years ago. Prince toured Europe with the GE Tour and nobody gave a shit. He could have never filled Werchter or Roskilde. Then came the tour in 1998 in Europe and same story. The media just ignored him completely. he was a big loser. In 2002, he came with a great band, a great CD and a great Tour and again: the media did not give a shit.

He played small venues for years before the Musicology Tour amazing success. That's when he started to get more attention from the media. Then 2007 and the fantastic success in London at the O2. And now. The Paris residency will be massive as well.

ps: I invite you to see how people react when he turns up on stage to play with Stevie. He has become a real R&R legend now while he was considered as a big has been act at the end of the nineties.

ohYeeeeeah said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Apart from the abysmal ticket sales. Oh, and plenty of people not liking the shows at all.

This is bullshit and you know it. Only the Geneva concert was not doing well at all in terms of sales. The tix were very expensive and the gigs organized quite late + it's crisis time in case you don't know it. So it is a massive success whether you like it or not.

Bullcrap.

Werchter: thousands of tickets given away for free through newspaper. 1/3 hadn't been sold mere days before the gig.

Arras: tickets at half-price due to abysmal sales.

Linz was moved to a much smaller place.

Berlin: far from sold out.

Etcetera.

I know several people who said they'd go to Werchter if Arras was good; they returned from Arras seriosuly disappointed. A colleague went to Werchter and returned super-annoyed because Prince decided it would be fun to stop the gig four times; was even more annoyed when I pointed out that the setlist was exactly the same as on previous gigs, and that Prince wasn't playing extra songs to reward the audience.