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Emancipation Album i've been listening to this album more alot lately since i never really gave his late 80s-90s work too much attention and so far i have to say that this is a really great album a masterpiece i don't understand why this album is disliked by so many fans it's a very R&Bish album and with me being a huge fan of R&B music this is like the best I have heard so far my favorite song is Joint 2 Joint(LOL @ the Captian Crunch eating ) ok I'm probably in the minority here but anyone agree? anyone? | |
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Actually, I have an idea: why don´t we all come up with our 12 song tracklists for this album? | |
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nooo emancipation is a masterpiece you can't dismantle it! **NPGMC refugee** | |
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This quite often comes up and I don't think you are alone. A lot like it. A lot can't get over the "plastic production" and hold Kirk Johnson as producer in the same high esteem as they do Larry Graham as mentor, or Tony M as rapper.
I loved it at the time, would probably skip a few tracks now but as Marty suggest above, most fans could probably calmly pick 12 or so standout tracks from this set.
Mine would be (in no particular order)
In This Bed I Scream Face Down My Computer The Holy River Somebody's Somebody White Mansion Soul Sanctuary Dreamin About U The Love We Make Joint 2 Joint Friend Lover Sister Mother Wife Sleep Around Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad. | |
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Overall its a great album, but what let it down was its size. It takes 3 hours to listen to the whole thing, and theres no unified style, all the songs seem to cover every genre Prince has tried and whilst it sounds like genius, too many genres in one album comes across sounding disjointed and confused, slow jams next to rock, hardcore rap next to anodyne pop covers. Also the size suggests that it was self indulgent and Prince really did throw in the filler amongst the killer. Also it came at a time when he was trying to prove to the whole world how great he was. It was too ambitious and I think thats what silenced it after 2 singles. As you know the record company promoting it went broke at the same time, the Holy River dropped. Had it survived, it may have been a bigger hit and push the project further. Prince got double platinum on it at the release as he shipped 700k copies which counted each as 3 CD's hence 2.1 million, but I read in many sources it only sold about 450k of those sets and the rest were returns. Its a shame as there were many true classics on that album like this bakers dozen (In no order)
1. The Holy River 2. In this bed eye scream 3. Eye can't make u love me 4. Sex in the summer 5. The love we make 6. Emancipation (The song) 7. White Mansion 8. One Kiss at a Time 9. One of Us 10. Soul Sanctuary 11. Damned if eye do 12. Somebodys Somebody 13. Right back here in my arms
Also good
1. New World 2. Style 3. My computer 4. Get yo groove on 5. We gets up 6. Style 7. Slave 8. New World 9. Betcha by golly wow 10. Dreaming about you 11. Courtin Time 12. Curious child 13. Jam of the year
Fair to mediocre
The rest
Dreadful
Face Down Da Da Da Mr Happy Friend, Sister, Mother whatever its called
[Edited 6/3/10 4:29am] So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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Emancipation is a great album. I like disc 3 the best. General consensus is that it would have been better if it was trimmed down to 2 or even 1 disc. But that is the sort of thing that Prince was angry with Warner's about (albeit 1 of many things). Emancipation is a great artistic statement and should be seen as such. If you think it is too long at 3 hours, then try listening to a disc a day, or every two days. It makes it easier to swallow. [Edited 6/3/10 6:31am] | |
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There just needed to be some editing on it, and some trimming. The 60-minutes per disk gimmick is cheap and didn't really need to exist. Two CDs would hold 160 minutes of music. 60x3=180. If he just cut a few unneeded songs , only 20 minutes worth, he could have fit everything onto only two disks. It definitely would have been a stronger set that way.
Also, it's been mentioned recently, and mostly agreeded upon, that his use of a drum machine on the album, versus a live drummer, really hindered the sound and feel of the album. There was a coldness, and a dryness, to the album. Some songs screamed for a real drum (Courtin' Time, Damned If I Do, White Mansion, Joint 2 Joint), but they suffered for not having it.
It's still a good set, but it's limited in a lot of ways. | |
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I love Emancipation! I became a Prince fan in the summer of 1996 with the Chaos and Disorder album and I was extremely excited for Emancipation. When it was released I played the shit out of it and I think it is probably the Prince (or o(+>) album that I have listened to the most, all three hours of it. I wouldn't necessarily say that it is his best album but for me it is my favourite. I don't get why people say it should have been shorter. For me it is perfect as it is. Besides, peoples opinions vary wildly as to what the 12 best songs are so if it was cut back to a single disc a lot of people's favourite songs would have been cut. I guess that Lotusflow3r came close but I would love to see Prince try something like this again. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed that he hasn't attempted a four disc/four hour set of all new material.
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I never understood that argument. I guess it's a valid point since a lot of folks bring it up but I just don't get why the lack of live drums hurts this album any more than any other Prince album. Since almost the beginning (Controversy?) Prince has used drum machines. I think that an album like 1999, as great as it is, suffers more than Emancipation due to a lack of live drums. It's too bad that so few of the songs from Emancipation have been performed live, maybe then I could hear what kind of a difference live drums would make to the album. | |
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I think EMANCIPATION is good but you have to wade through too much to get to the excellent song..it woulda been better as 1 disc. It coulda been a classic parred to one disc...
Here's my favs from the 3 cd set: SOMEBODYS SOMEBODY GET YO GROOVE ON COURTIN TIME DAMNED IF I DO IN THIS BED I SCREAM SEX IN THE SUMMER ONE KISS AT A TIME SOUL SANCTUARY CURIOUS CHILD DREAMIN ABOUT U HOLY RIVER LETS HAVE A BABY SAVIOUR FRIEND LOVER SISTER MOTHER WIFE SLAVE NEW WORLD LOVE WE MAKE SLEEP AROUND
the rest of the album was fluff | |
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Emancipation is like a gentle roller coaster ride. It's got its ups and downs but mostly ups. It's a good album but it would've benefited from some trimming. As a double album it would've retained the sustained quality for the fans, a testament to his diversity. As a single album it would've been more commercial. In one way I would've preferred a double disc. In another way, a brilliant single disc for the casual listener was perhaps the thing Prince needed the most in the late 90s. | |
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well said!!! i luved it as well,an' still listen to it.there was a time 4 a very long while when i would put on disc 2 at night to soothe me 2 sleep.it is very calming 4 me. | |
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Over all I love Emancipation except for Da da daa. | |
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At least the first two minutes of Joint 2 Joint absolutely floor me. The rest is alright and it is one of my fav's too. My list:
Courtin Time We Gets Up White Mansion I Can't Make U Love Me In This Bed I Scream One Kiss at a Time Emale Curious Child J2J Holy River New World Human Body Face Down Style Sleep Around One of Us The Love We Make
Might be more than one disc but whatever.
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the title track and courtin time- can we please abort these songs from the universe | |
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hey Chris, the bassline in Emancipation is funky as hell...not one of my faves but I can listen to it if only for that Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad. | |
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i dunno i just always felt for a title track it was more like filler. | |
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Well, let's be fair on the time table there - Controversy wasn't the beginning. He's used drum machines a lot, but not always. Remember, he went through some "band" oriented sounding times as well. Lovesexy, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, , Come, Exodus, The Gold Experience all tended to favor live drums opposed to the Linn.
If you think about good songs like "Damned If I Do", "White Mansion", "Right Back Here In My Arms", "Jam Of the Year", etc etc. They're good, but they sound cold, or closed off. Now imagine them with a band, and a more open and rich sound. It'd have been a whole different record. Of course some songs benefit more from a drum machine, mainly disk 3 - because it tends to be more dance oriented type songs - almost club-by type stuff in some regards.
A perfect example: "Somebody's Somebody". Decent enough song, right? Now, go listen to the "Live Studio Mix", which was the band in the studio, running through the song without the aid of a drum machine. THAT is the difference that shows how the album suffered from a dry and cold drum machine. I mean, it's almost criminal that "Courtin' Time" doesn't have a live drum on it! It's a damn big band song!
1999 seems to be fitting to have a drum machine. A lot of the song themes are very cold and mechanical anyway. "Automatic", "Delirious", "Something In The Water", "All The Critics...". They're all very impersonal in some ways. It's robotic, and very futuristic; the messages are very detached and passé. That's not a bad thing. But the Linn lends to that feel and idealism. Whereas on Emancipation, you have songs of a warm nature lyrically, yet the very dry and impersonal drum arrangements (or lack thereof) battle against that. The songs almost become a war of which is more important, the arrangement or the lyrics, opposed to everything working together. It gives the whole album a hurried feel. He'd been working on the songs for a while, before his WB thing finally expired, but he still had his band around, the old and new NPG, and could have easily utilized them. The glory of albums like The Gold Experience or is that a lot of it was the band just playing the song, albeit with some overdubs later. That richness shines through and makes those albums glorious for one's inner ear duties. In comparison, Emancipation hangs on the ear lobe like a pair of Dollar Tree clip ons.
I still like the album. (Yes, I did my own edits on this album too.) It's just lacking a bit. Trim 20 minutes off of it, put it on two CDs, and have live drums on the majority of the tracks. Fuck, that would have been a masterpiece. | |
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Of course we are not going to agree on which songs we all love/wish were trimmed off.
But other than that, this really says it all. If you don't hear (or should I say feel), a GINORMOUS difference between the two versions of Somebody's Somebody than this post won't resonate with you. For me the album version of Somebody's Somebody is simply a good song that I enjoy. The live in studio version is heavenly.
If more songs had that live feel, this album would have been the same; elevated from a good album to something absolutely magnificent. | |
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i love this album. music personified. shame the lable never surported it | |
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Yep ... I love the Emancipation album also. It was my first album when I realized the power of R&B and Slow Jams. Before I heard this album you couldn't get me NEAR R&B or a Slow Jam for that matter. Since my first listen to this album, I find it a BRILLIANT musical experience. Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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I don't trust Prince fans who say they don't like Emancipation...There's just too much diversity musical wise to even make that statement.You are bound to like something given that there are 1000 songs on there...lol.....And yeah, I've heard the standard "the sound is plastic" argument, which I can respect...but only up to a point...There are some GREAT songwriting moments here....To me, it's one of the only projects in the '90s that can stand next to his '80s work...
Yeah...it's that good...
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the song sucks okay? | |
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It is a great album-my third fav Prince album behind Prince and Diamonds and Pearls-every time I listen to Emancipation I love it even more | |
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great track, princes best rap/hip-hop work ...its so not prince....thats why it works:-D Eye Was Born & Raised On The Same Plantation In The United States Of The Red, White And Blue Eye Never Knew That Eye Was Different Til Dr. King Was On The Balcony
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I love this album/CD. I don't mind the length, I wish he would do more projects like this. I now present unto you an original person, one that is able to rationalize and make decisions that utilize intellectual significance. Yes, this person is on the endangered species list. - Patsheart April 2, 2009 | |
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Uhhhh...Emancipation marked his first independent release after WB (hence the title). Why would they support it? We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Taken from the "A Celebration" threads from a few months back.
A CELEBRATION: EMANCIPATION Continuing on the One Album a Day discussion of Prince's music, we arrive at the epic Emancipation. Initially I thought to do this as a one disc per day review - but to do so will rob the ability to compare and contrast and listen to this as Prince intended. So read on if you dare, lol.
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