ernestsewell said:

laurarichardson said:

You know what you are such an ass. It is not worth my time to even read your nosense.

Collaborations, projects, songs he wrote for other people it really does not matter. Prince has had success working with other artist. You can explain anyway that you want and I can explain it the way I want. I like the Madonna duet and so do a lots of other people on this board. In addtion, we know from Madonna that P had a lot input into that whole CD.( which would make it a collaboration) Now I think your mom is calling you for dinner and after that you and Bart can call each other and discuss how you have no life outside of Prince.org.

Yet, here you are 126 words later. You me, no matter what you say.

Nay I really cannot get past the first sentence with anything that you type. So just I defend my opinion and move on. Like I said you and Bart should go and start your own board since you both are so in love with yourselves and are simple enough to spend time on a board about an artist you no longer care about. Sounds real sane to me.

Genesia said:

laurarichardson said:

No they were not collabortions or projects. It was in our imaginations

What the hell is a collabortion?!

I do not know why don't you take it and sick it up your ass and find out.

Cinnie said:

Genesia said:

What the hell is a collabortion?!

That's what we'll call Prince's work with those acts

Projects or songs he wrote for other people it really does not matter. Prince has had success working with other artist but if you want to pretend that this never ever happened go ahead. I know some of you have missed your meds today The very fact that some crazy wants him to work with a no-talent nobody like Drake tells me a lot of you grew up riding the small yellow bus to school.

laurarichardson said:

TheKid94 said:

alrite lil wayne is pretty damn talented hes just as hard working as prince was back in his purple days, but lil waynes more hardcore

Lil Wayne is not talented at all and it is hard to be hard working when you are in prison.

Well, Laura, I have to disagree with you here. Lil Wayne is quite talented at drinking the siizrup or whatever the hell he calls it. And I'm sure parts of him are working quite hard while he's locked up.

laurarichardson said:

Cinnie said:

That's what we'll call Prince's work with those acts

Projects or songs he wrote for other people it really does not matter. Prince has had success working with other artist but if you want to pretend that this never ever happened go ahead. I know some of you have missed your meds today The very fact that some crazy wants him to work with a no-talent nobody like Drake tells me a lot of you grew up riding the small yellow bus to school.

The point is, he didn't "work with" them. They worked for him!

My god, you're dim.

Genesia said:

laurarichardson said:

Projects or songs he wrote for other people it really does not matter. Prince has had success working with other artist but if you want to pretend that this never ever happened go ahead. I know some of you have missed your meds today The very fact that some crazy wants him to work with a no-talent nobody like Drake tells me a lot of you grew up riding the small yellow bus to school.

The point is, he didn't "work with" them. They worked for him!

My god, you're dim.

Where you in the fucking room when the music was being recorded!!!! Because if you were not around at the time how dim do you think you come off.

I have read interviews ( of couse these people could be lying) where people said they did have some input into the projects. Maddonna said they worked together on the "Like A Pray" CD

I mean some of you people need to really get your heads out of your asses and stop acting like over the last thirty years this guy never communicated with anyone he worked with. I think some of the artist see their work with Prince as collaborations at least the ones that received some sort of co-credit (meaning money).

Serena said:

laurarichardson said:

Lil Wayne is not talented at all and it is hard to be hard working when you are in prison.

Well, Laura, I have to disagree with you here. Lil Wayne is quite talented at drinking the siizrup or whatever the hell he calls it. And I'm sure parts of him are working quite hard while he's locked up.

LOL I am sure some parts are working hard in prison (LOL)

laurarichardson said:

Genesia said:

The point is, he didn't "work with" them. They worked for him!

My god, you're dim.

Where you in the fucking room when the music was being recorded!!!! Because if you were not around at the time how dim do you think you come off.

I have read interviews ( of couse these people could be lying) where people said they did have some input into the projects. Maddonna said they worked together on the "Like A Pray" CD

I mean some of you people need to really get your heads out of your asses and stop acting like over the last thirty years this guy never communicated with anyone he worked with. I think some of the artist see their work with Prince as collaborations at least the ones that received some sort of co-credit (meaning money).

Who's talking about Madonna, you mental midget? The first people you mentioned in that post were The Time, Vanity 6 and The Family. Those people were not collaborators. They were employees. Except for vocals, Prince wrote, produced and recorded those albums, himself. And you'd best believe he directed the vocals to death. (He told Paul Peterson to sing his part exactly as Prince did on the guiding track, for crying out loud.) That is the antithesis of collaboration!

Just keep pissing into the wind, my dear. It's obviously the thing you do best.

Genesia said:

laurarichardson said:

Where you in the fucking room when the music was being recorded!!!! Because if you were not around at the time how dim do you think you come off.

I have read interviews ( of couse these people could be lying) where people said they did have some input into the projects. Maddonna said they worked together on the "Like A Pray" CD

I mean some of you people need to really get your heads out of your asses and stop acting like over the last thirty years this guy never communicated with anyone he worked with. I think some of the artist see their work with Prince as collaborations at least the ones that received some sort of co-credit (meaning money).

Who's talking about Madonna, you mental midget? The first people you mentioned in that post were The Time, Vanity 6 and The Family. Those people were not collaborators. They were employees. Except for vocals, Prince wrote, produced and recorded those albums, himself. And you'd best believe he directed the vocals to death. (He told Paul Peterson to sing his part exactly as Prince did on the guiding track, for crying out loud.) That is the antithesis of collaboration!

Just keep pissing into the wind, my dear. It's obviously the thing you do best.

I mentioned Madonna and Like a Prayer in an earlier post you fucking moron!! They worked together on that CD which would make it a collboration. Dez Dickenson worked on the first Time CD that would make it a collaboration. Terry Lewis helped write if a "Girl Answers Don't Hang Up that would make it a collaboration. I could go on and on but way bother you are always nitpicking and bringing up dumb shit like the fact that his buttons on his suit were cheap. Who the fuck cares about buttons!!!

You are one of the biggest idiots on this board and do not go running to the mods about flaming since your genius ( I use the term as a joke ) ass is incapable of having a discussion without attacking people's intelligenc despite all the dumb shit you bring up.

The Lil Wayne hate must stop-the guy can rap and him being in jail right now has nothing to do with it The Carter III is good and Rebirth is good also-the Weezy hate must end

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nursev said:

The Lil Wayne hate must stop-the guy can rap and him being in jail right now has nothing to do with it The Carter III is good and Rebirth is good also-the Weezy hate must end

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Lil Wayne is garbage as well. The problem is, people that don't know true hip hop thinks the shit that's being put out there now IS true hip hop. Weezy is rap. Nothing wrong with that, but it's wack rap.

RebirthOfCool said:

nursev said:

The Lil Wayne hate must stop-the guy can rap and him being in jail right now has nothing to do with it The Carter III is good and Rebirth is good also-the Weezy hate must end

[Edited 6/24/10 15:15pm]

Lil Wayne is garbage as well. The problem is, people that don't know true hip hop thinks the shit that's being put out there now IS true hip hop. Weezy is rap. Nothing wrong with that, but it's wack rap.

Imma let this slide considering I've been listening to rap since probably SugarHill...So yes I said Lil Wayne is good! Did you sell 10 million today? Did you sell 10 million yesterday? The fact that Drake is on Young Money has nothing to do with him being talented-he can flow also!

I would love to see the comments if Drake actually did perform with Prince one day-it is a possibility with his family ties and all What would the comments look like then? Folks would love him then

nursev said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Lil Wayne is garbage as well. The problem is, people that don't know true hip hop thinks the shit that's being put out there now IS true hip hop. Weezy is rap. Nothing wrong with that, but it's wack rap.

Imma let this slide considering I've been listening to rap since probably SugarHill...So yes I said Lil Wayne is good! Did you sell 10 million today? Did you sell 10 million yesterday? The fact that Drake is on Young Money has nothing to do with him being talented-he can flow also!

It's easy to "listen" to rap. That doesn't mean you "know" rap. I watch Tennis but I can't play it. And the mere fact that you made a point to point out record sales as proof of talent tells me all I need to know.

RebirthOfCool said:

nursev said:

Imma let this slide considering I've been listening to rap since probably SugarHill...So yes I said Lil Wayne is good! Did you sell 10 million today? Did you sell 10 million yesterday? The fact that Drake is on Young Money has nothing to do with him being talented-he can flow also!

It's easy to "listen" to rap. That doesn't mean you "know" rap. I watch Tennis but I can't play it. And the mere fact that you made a point to point out record sales as proof of talent tells me all I need to know.

Well, just like I know your post are bait I know talent also-if shit is garbage I'll call it that! But considering the rappers out now...YES Lil WAYNE AND DRAKE ARE GOOD! Did you LISTEN to that?

nursev said:

RebirthOfCool said:

It's easy to "listen" to rap. That doesn't mean you "know" rap. I watch Tennis but I can't play it. And the mere fact that you made a point to point out record sales as proof of talent tells me all I need to know.

Well, just like I know your post are bait I know talent also-if shit is garbage I'll call it that! But considering the rappers out now...YES Lil WAYNE AND DRAKE ARE GOOD! Did you LISTEN to that?

I don't know what you mean by bait, I'm just keeping it real as fuck. And what I know to be real is that Weezy and Drake aint shit. Real hip hop headz will say the same thing. They're cool for pop rap but not real hip hop headz.

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RebirthOfCool said:

nursev said:

Well, just like I know your post are bait I know talent also-if shit is garbage I'll call it that! But considering the rappers out now...YES Lil WAYNE AND DRAKE ARE GOOD! Did you LISTEN to that?

I don't know what you mean by bait, I'm just keeping it real as fuck. And what I know to be real is that Weezy and Drake aint shit. Real hip hop headz will say the same thing. They're cool for pop rap but not real hip hop headz.

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"Keeping it real as fuck" This is ur opinion-we all have em

nursev said:

RebirthOfCool said:

I don't know what you mean by bait, I'm just keeping it real as fuck. And what I know to be real is that Weezy and Drake aint shit. Real hip hop headz will say the same thing. They're cool for pop rap but not real hip hop headz.

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"Keeping it real as fuck" This is ur opinion-we all have em

True, and some have opinions with less knowledge/experience than others on the same subject though. Always remember that.

Not that my opinion means a damn thing on the org, but I'm gonna give it anyways.

I actually like Drake. Is he the best rapper in the industry? Nope. Is he the best singer? Nope. But his music is a nice cross of the two and very refreshing in this age of booty rap and shitty bar rock. His delivery is unique, and lyrically you can understand every thing that comes out of his mouth. The amount of publicity and attention he has recieved has not been all his fault. He has been hyped from the begining, partially due to a couple very successful mixtapes, and for being nominated for two Grammys before his album was released.

I personally would find it very interesting to have a collabo between Prince and Drake, as I feel it could get deep and emotional, and very unique. Would it ever happen? FUCK NO.

But those that dismiss every single current young pop artist, it gets very tiresome. After all, Drake is realistically no different that any other pop star early in their career. Time will tell if Drake can have longevity in this industry.

BTW, Im 31, white, married and not a thug. I do like alot of Drake's material. The album however, was a tad weak.

There is your honest opinion, like it or not.

NewPowerToad said:

Not that my opinion means a damn thing on the org, but I'm gonna give it anyways.

I actually like Drake. Is he the best rapper in the industry? Nope. Is he the best singer? Nope. But his music is a nice cross of the two and very refreshing in this age of booty rap and shitty bar rock. His delivery is unique, and lyrically you can understand every thing that comes out of his mouth. The amount of publicity and attention he has recieved has not been all his fault. He has been hyped from the begining, partially due to a couple very successful mixtapes, and for being nominated for two Grammys before his album was released.

I personally would find it very interesting to have a collabo between Prince and Drake, as I feel it could get deep and emotional, and very unique. Would it ever happen? FUCK NO.

But those that dismiss every single current young pop artist, it gets very tiresome. After all, Drake is realistically no different that any other pop star early in their career. Time will tell if Drake can have longevity in this industry.

BTW, Im 31, white, married and not a thug. I do like alot of Drake's material. The album however, was a tad weak.

There is your honest opinion, like it or not.

Nicely said

NewPowerToad said:

Not that my opinion means a damn thing on the org, but I'm gonna give it anyways.

I actually like Drake. Is he the best rapper in the industry? Nope. Is he the best singer? Nope. But his music is a nice cross of the two and very refreshing in this age of booty rap and shitty bar rock. His delivery is unique, and lyrically you can understand every thing that comes out of his mouth. The amount of publicity and attention he has recieved has not been all his fault. He has been hyped from the begining, partially due to a couple very successful mixtapes, and for being nominated for two Grammys before his album was released.

I personally would find it very interesting to have a collabo between Prince and Drake, as I feel it could get deep and emotional, and very unique. Would it ever happen? FUCK NO.

But those that dismiss every single current young pop artist, it gets very tiresome. After all, Drake is realistically no different that any other pop star early in their career. Time will tell if Drake can have longevity in this industry.

BTW, Im 31, white, married and not a thug. I do like alot of Drake's material. The album however, was a tad weak.

There is your honest opinion, like it or not.

how exactly is the tiresome use of autotune and lame repetitive beats unique ?

i don't dismiss him because he's young but because he sucks ass

RebirthOfCool said:

nursev said:

"Keeping it real as fuck" This is ur opinion-we all have em

True, and some have opinions with less knowledge/experience than others on the same subject though. Always remember that.

I respect people's opinions toward Drake and Lil Wayne, even if I disagree.

Personally, when it comes to lil Wayne, I think he's probably the most talented rapper around right now. To be fair, he puts out an equal amount of lousy material for every gem, (but another popular artist on this site is guilty of that too, *wink wink*). Lil Wayne can rap on just about anything in a style that makes "true" hip-hoppers sound pretty bloodless. Nas, Mos Def, Masta Ace, whoever underground, as you want to go, that's fine. Their music is hardly as exciting to me as Wayne's, even when he puts out total garbage like "Rebirth".

I think the problem is that a lot of "true hip-hop" fans are so unwilling to except the development/bastardization/evolution/commercialization of a genre that they shun all of it. I'm not saying that all this pop rap stuff is good. Hardly. But in many ways, hip-hop is dead. We don't need a clown like Nas telling us it is. It's been dead for years. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing. It's what it is. Rock 'n roll, punk, soul, whatever you want to point to as being "not good as it used to be"... it's futile. Music evolves, and genre tags are as useful now as selling your cd at Borders for 14 bucks. Scenes, genres, movements, they come and go.

Wayne and Drake don't really pump themselves as "hip-hop". If anything, they make pop music. If you don't like their music, I can see it. Are we in the "hair-metal" phase of hip-hop? Maybe. Who cares?

The awesome part and frustrating part about music these days is that we can reach back and listen to so much, explore more than ever, and there's more to listen to than ever before, each and every day the internet keeps running. If you don't like something, you've got a lot of options. Songs, albums, scenes, they can't pull a country together like they could when the nation and the world is getting bigger and smaller every day.

When people, such as Prince himself, suggest that "music just ain't what it was like back in the day", I cringe. Of course it isn't. It's different. God forbid if it wasn't.

Now if Prince did a collab with Big Boi or Dam-funk, I'd be a little more interested. Drake doesn't need Prince, I think he's got enough advertising to support himself.

bashraka said:

Since Drake (Aubrey Graham) is Larry Graham's nephew, I could picture Drake campaigning and pestering his uncle to set up some studio time to get in the studio with Prince to make a song. What would top it would be Larry Graham and Prince both singing and playing and ironically scoring a hit. Also, to show how "serious" he would be about recording with Prince, he would cut out swearing for not that song but their entire record. He's already called out Sade for rejecting his offer, so who's to say he wouldn't do the same with Prince. Prince is so devoted to LG he just might do it out of respect.

drake is one of the best right now(you aint even heard the album dont come at me) but i dont see this going over well. and prince likes to rap himself which is enough to deal with as it is.

Do they still make Drake fruit pies?

shonenjoe said:

RebirthOfCool said:

True, and some have opinions with less knowledge/experience than others on the same subject though. Always remember that.

I respect people's opinions toward Drake and Lil Wayne, even if I disagree.

Personally, when it comes to lil Wayne, I think he's probably the most talented rapper around right now. To be fair, he puts out an equal amount of lousy material for every gem, (but another popular artist on this site is guilty of that too, *wink wink*). Lil Wayne can rap on just about anything in a style that makes "true" hip-hoppers sound pretty bloodless. Nas, Mos Def, Masta Ace, whoever underground, as you want to go, that's fine. Their music is hardly as exciting to me as Wayne's, even when he puts out total garbage like "Rebirth".

I think the problem is that a lot of "true hip-hop" fans are so unwilling to except the development/bastardization/evolution/commercialization of a genre that they shun all of it. I'm not saying that all this pop rap stuff is good. Hardly. But in many ways, hip-hop is dead. We don't need a clown like Nas telling us it is. It's been dead for years. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing. It's what it is. Rock 'n roll, punk, soul, whatever you want to point to as being "not good as it used to be"... it's futile. Music evolves, and genre tags are as useful now as selling your cd at Borders for 14 bucks. Scenes, genres, movements, they come and go.

Wayne and Drake don't really pump themselves as "hip-hop". If anything, they make pop music. If you don't like their music, I can see it. Are we in the "hair-metal" phase of hip-hop? Maybe. Who cares?

The awesome part and frustrating part about music these days is that we can reach back and listen to so much, explore more than ever, and there's more to listen to than ever before, each and every day the internet keeps running. If you don't like something, you've got a lot of options. Songs, albums, scenes, they can't pull a country together like they could when the nation and the world is getting bigger and smaller every day.

When people, such as Prince himself, suggest that "music just ain't what it was like back in the day", I cringe. Of course it isn't. It's different. God forbid if it wasn't.

Now if Prince did a collab with Big Boi or Dam-funk, I'd be a little more interested. Drake doesn't need Prince, I think he's got enough advertising to support himself.

I can respect it and I still like Rebirth

I think its great that he can achieve a point in his career where he can essentially release whatever he wants, whether a label, fans, or anyone likes it at all.

shonenjoe said:

RebirthOfCool said:

True, and some have opinions with less knowledge/experience than others on the same subject though. Always remember that.

I respect people's opinions toward Drake and Lil Wayne, even if I disagree.

Personally, when it comes to lil Wayne, I think he's probably the most talented rapper around right now. To be fair, he puts out an equal amount of lousy material for every gem, (but another popular artist on this site is guilty of that too, *wink wink*). Lil Wayne can rap on just about anything in a style that makes "true" hip-hoppers sound pretty bloodless. Nas, Mos Def, Masta Ace, whoever underground, as you want to go, that's fine. Their music is hardly as exciting to me as Wayne's, even when he puts out total garbage like "Rebirth".

I think the problem is that a lot of "true hip-hop" fans are so unwilling to except the development/bastardization/evolution/commercialization of a genre that they shun all of it. I'm not saying that all this pop rap stuff is good. Hardly. But in many ways, hip-hop is dead. We don't need a clown like Nas telling us it is. It's been dead for years. It's not a good thing, it's not a bad thing. It's what it is. Rock 'n roll, punk, soul, whatever you want to point to as being "not good as it used to be"... it's futile. Music evolves, and genre tags are as useful now as selling your cd at Borders for 14 bucks. Scenes, genres, movements, they come and go.

Wayne and Drake don't really pump themselves as "hip-hop". If anything, they make pop music. If you don't like their music, I can see it. Are we in the "hair-metal" phase of hip-hop? Maybe. Who cares?

The awesome part and frustrating part about music these days is that we can reach back and listen to so much, explore more than ever, and there's more to listen to than ever before, each and every day the internet keeps running. If you don't like something, you've got a lot of options. Songs, albums, scenes, they can't pull a country together like they could when the nation and the world is getting bigger and smaller every day.

When people, such as Prince himself, suggest that "music just ain't what it was like back in the day", I cringe. Of course it isn't. It's different. God forbid if it wasn't.

Now if Prince did a collab with Big Boi or Dam-funk, I'd be a little more interested. Drake doesn't need Prince, I think he's got enough advertising to support himself.

But again, you're coming from a pop point of view, so naturally a lot of average rap fans would deem Weezy "the most talented rapper out there". And therein lies the problem. But that's why there are true hip hop headz and then the casual rap fan. It is what it is.

I agree with you there, it is a pop perspective. I do think it's a shame if some people never get the chance to hear some real golden-era hip-hop. You just have to hope that people take the initiative to discover music, the music they enjoy, and never stopping that search. If they happen upon "Blowout Comb" and "3 Feet High and Rising", thank the stars.

(And I like your icon. I've been on a jazz rage lately. Miles, Coleman, Coltrane, Hancock, Hubbard...)