Dave1992 said:

I absolutely agree. Or better still if you don't like, throw it away and stop pretending.

klick2me said:

On a side note. This Mona Lisa example reminds me of the photo joke of the Mona Lisa before and after shot, after it has spent one week in America. Have you seen it? It's hilarious!

NDRU said:

Actually, here one naturally wants to sing without the "I find" and the "ever."
But as we're listening to it and not singing it, maybe it was easier to hold melody with the extra words, but this part also where the words in my head sing something else.

klick2me said:

Diamonds and Pearls without Tony M's wretched droning? The eye's have it! Go Ernest!

Dave1992 said:

ernestsewell said:

utter nonsense

Dave1992 said:

Precisely.....but then, if you've heard a certain someone's music, you already know it would be an epic fail!! If fact, you will even know already that even those "edits" are going to be shit!

its a GOOD idea to remove tony m .. if you think his rapping is some kind of beautiful piece of art than sorry u have no musical taste. that period in prince was the opposite of dirty mind and what followed .. instead of bucking the system for arts sake he commercialized the art for monetary success sake. i see nothing wrong with removing the scars of selling out from the actual art.

2nd dolphin is a pretty bad song. u cant interpret it because its just bad .. it will never make sense beyond the first 2 lines .. its a dumb subject and even dumber lyrics ... i always thought some chick must have had some save the dolphins theme going in her life but told prince to change his music to be more comercial .. so he got mad and wrote dolphin trying to win her empathy

i am probably wrong but its just too stupid of a record to care. fixing prince music is neccessary because he is not following a muse anymore .. he is just making product ... lovesexy was the first record that i thought sucked but went back later and really liked (i've since returned to thinking it kinda sucks mostly cuz the production is so bad on it) but my point is because of that i continue to return to prince records that i initially think suck hoping for the epiphany that makes me love a song or a whole record that i did not before. cause and effect is the first song that i wont even relisten to it is so bad it makes me wanna hurl i never ever wanna hear that song again EVER. so to fix prince we need to incorporate the IF ITS NOT A CLASSIC WE TRASH IT technique because no ones ears should have been scarred like that .. he should dump everything that does not make SOTT or PARADE look amature otherwise he should stay home and think about the mess he has made of his ART until he remembers why people ever cared. and contrary to prince stated beliefs its NOT because he writes about sex. think harder prince u can do it.

TrevorAyer said:

You were right, except you are definitely wrong. And, if you think Lovesexy suffers from "bad production" you need a new set of ears, or at least some cotton buds!

And all this from someone who makes music himself - you should be ashamed!

no i am not ashamed to say i dont care for tony m rapping about busting pimples son in the middle of prince songs

no i am not ashamed to say dolphin is very weak lyrically

no i am not ashamed to say that clam slamm sounds like it was recorded with a casio keyboard

i will say eye no is one of my favorites tho

as a musician the last thing another musician needs is more yes men

the beatles flourished from healthy honest intrapersonal feedback as did prince during the revolution era

by the dnp era he was trying to win back the youth audience and unfortunately ruined some great music in the process of selling out

no shame here prince is still running from his but its catching up

NDRU said:

I think "Dauphin" means "Prince" in some other language...or at least I remember hearing that a long time ago. Too lazy to google and verify. But if it's true, what you have makes a lot of sense, and vefifies more of the meaning in the song. He was "Symbol" at the time, but was still "Prince."

Dave1992 said:

I'm not sure art is ever finished, actually, you see how many changes Prince's own songs & albums go through. Look at Sign of the Times. It went through many changes, and I'm not sure the final product was exactly what Prince had in mind.

But don't take it all so seriously. I am not seriously suggesting WE change Purple Rain.

As I said before, the idea here was more of a challenge to critics, to see if they could prove it, as you say, and not just say "that belongs in the trash" or "that is utterly worthless." What's wrong with it, and how would YOU make it better if you had your way? That's all I'm asking. The original recordings are safe, I promise!

NDRU said:

The reason why Prince changed around so many albums is because, as you correctly stated, they weren't finished in his opinion. Something is finished when the person who created it says so. And him having to release albums/songs he wasn't fully satisfied with is one of many reasons why he wanted to get away from Warner Bros.


I understand the idea behind this thread, but I can't think about what I would change if I don't like something, because I think it's all sorts of wrong to change it. If I feel something in a different way he does and see potential in a certain lick or phrase Prince hasn't used in one of his songs, I'll simply have my own fun playing it that way. But I'd never say that I like the original less because of it, or even that I "fix" what I don't like by doing that. It's simply my musical interpretation of what I think is brilliant work.

Dave1992 said:

But that's really all I'm saying.

Art is just expression, and I know even what I perceive as a bad line is not wrong, it's just someone's thought manifested in lyric/music. To change a lyric would be to change an aspect of the artist's expression--essentially a suggestion for the artist to change, themselves.

That's all very pure--and it's why Prince has the final say on his music. But there's no harm in messing with ideas. We're not defacing original artwork.

And I think very few pieces of art (from film to books to music) are actually perfect (maybe none of them), and while artists might not like you messing with their stuff, I think many are never totally satisfied with the outcome. It's as good as they can get it and at some point they sign their name to it.
[Edited 5/3/10 11:41am]

NDRU said:

It's all cool! I was rather referring to people editing/changing his recordings and I tried to explain why I can't really participate in this thread.

Dave1992 said:

yeah it's just different ways to look at art, right?

I guess if you relate it to the artist, then you have to accept it more for what it is, but if you see it sitting alone with no relation to a person, then maybe you don't have as much respect for the vision as a whole.

I see Prince's music both ways. I sometimes hear something that I cringe at and wish was not there on an otherwise great song. But I also recognize that I must listen to his music for what it is, not what I wish it was.

I would fix "Crucial" by removing the reverb and leaving the guitar solo intact.

NDRU said:

Very insightful - because, in most cases, that is exactly how it is. When producing music, for example, you can endlessly tinker with the track, always hearing something that you could change or improve. But, there comes a point where you have to let it go - to say, that's it, its finished and accept it yourself for the work that it is.

Mindflux said:

as one writer said "thank god for deadlines" otherwise we might never finish anything.

u can reverse the concept ... what songs would have been better if prince had left them alone ... we can funk and old friends for sale come 2 mind

I think my crowning achievement with Wav Pad was editing out the bridge of the song Planet Earth. Literally the song goes from cringe worthy to one of Prince's best in years.

I also edited in the the first few minutes of the album version of Scandalous over The Crime (I always found the spoken word part cheesy/annoying) in the Scandalous Sex Suite.

I think that some of the time (especially with the bridge) Prince ends up getting in his own way. Sometimes his strange bridges are beautiful and make a song unique (a la Computer Blue), but sometimes I feel like they really hurt his music

Wildboy said:

Do you mean the "da da daaaaah haa" tick tock section?

ernestsewell said:Do you mean the "da da daaaaah haa" tick tock section?[/quote]

Yep, the song flys right off the rails at 2:39 and doesn't get back on till 3:35. Needless to say I've wiped that 54 seconds from my memory

Wildboy said:

It's not a bad section, but I can see where the song might benefit from that part not being there. I might do that edit myself and see what it sounds like. I like PE overall as an album though. It reminds me of how "She Spoke 2 Me" has that extended section that, to me, distracts from the song.
[Edited 5/5/10 21:42pm]

I don't think we can fix it. I did put in a call to AAA though. They should be here in about 45 minutes to an hour.

Wildboy said:

I actually did this edit, and it sounds good. I can see what you mean. I also took the bridge, and put it near the end, and then ended the song the way it normally would. It's only 8 seconds longer. It works for me either way.

lotusboy said:

We're also assuming that Prince would not approve of the changes if he heard them. None so blind as those that won't see.

I have no issue with you changing anything ernest. I change the order of music, type of music, volume of music and so on all the time. Hell, I even choose whether to listen to music or not. No difference in my opinion between cutting out the parts of a track you don't like and skipping the song. It's pretty much the same thing. I take celery out of anything I'm made. I don't give a fuck if it upsets the chef. I just don't like celery.

sometimes I want that little "Say papa, I think I wanna dance" part in Around the World in a day to be a whole song

*disclaimer: this post is not intended to be taken seriously

...but many of y'all know damn well y'all have no right "fixin" Prince's funk than these fellas below

NelsonR said:

aren't those the chumps that be claimin they already fixin P's funk? how'd u get that picture?